.You don't need to be female or religious to understand that this was bad medicine.


http://www.msnbc.com/news/989539.asp?0cv=CA01

just read..no comment

Originally posted by thailegend
just read..no comment

I think that was a comment:thumbdn:

I bet if one of his daughters was dying on the delivery table there would be an exception made. If they had passed the bill and taken into account the health of the mother, I could find no reason to object.

Any type of method for abortion is bad!
To view a living being as deposible and utilizing abortion as a means of Birth control is totally inhumane!

"totally inhumane"

So it watching kids grow up in horriable homes, sometimes without food, with parents that don't care about them.

Any type of method for abortion is bad!

So, if your wife or daughter were dying on the delivery table and the only way to save her life would be to abort the fetus you wouldn't do it?? I don't take the life of any baby lightly but, I really love my wife and I couldn't sit there and watch her die. I understand the moral implications about taking a life and all but, I'll take my wife and have another baby some day.

Originally posted by jpa2400
"totally inhumane"

So is watching kids grow up in horriable homes, sometimes without food, with parents that don't care about them.

I agree, the children of our future deserve better! And we should not tolerate irresponsible Parents.

Originally posted by Vegassc400
So, if your wife or daughter were dying on the delivery table and the only way to save her life would be to abort the fetus you wouldn't do it?? I don't take the life of any baby lightly but, I really love my wife and I couldn't sit there and watch her die. I understand the moral implications about taking a life and all but, I'll take my wife and have another baby some day.

I don not believe in Abortion, and abortion should not be used as a convenient method for Birth Control.
But if it were a means of a life or death situation it would be an extreme measure that I would have to consider, but it still does not make it right.

Life of the mother? This argument is getting old.

Do you really think 99% of the abortions are due to the mothers life is at risk:egads:

There is a thing called C-Section vs PBA. they take only a couple of minutes.

I think abortion should be legal in cases of rape, incest (1%) or fetus is totally deformed and is something less than a baby. Otherwise the other 99% need to grow up and be responsible for there actions.

BTW-My wife feels the same.

For years, a terrible form of violence has been directed against children who are inches from birth, while the law looked the other way. Today, at last, the American people and our government have confronted the violence and come to the defense of the innocent child.

I am not anti abortion in some cases, but I do completely support banning this Partial Birth procedure. 90% of the cases in which this type of abortion occurs are simply a "last minute change of heart" on whether to keep the child or not. This abortion does not take place when the child is still a fetus, it takes place when the child is almost a fully developed baby and sometimes weeks from birth. It involves puncturing the child’s skull to kill it.

If the situation is life or death for the mother, then I could understand having this operation, but NEVER if it is just a change of mind.
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§ 1531. Partial-birth abortions prohibited
(a) Any physician who, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, knowingly performs a partial-birth
abortion and thereby kills a human fetus shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both. This subsection does not apply to a partial-birth abortion that is necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself.

Document (text of the statutue starts on p. 16): http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/abortion/2003s3.pdf

There is an exception to the ban if it is necessary to save the mother's life. The Supreme Court in Planned Parenthood v. Casey stated that there must be an exception to preserve the life and the health of the mother. This law does not have an exception to preserve the health of the mother, that's one reason why there is a controversy over this new law.

Originally posted by 93LexoGS300
§ 1531. Partial-birth abortions prohibited
(a) Any physician who, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, knowingly performs a partial-birth
abortion and thereby kills a human fetus shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both. This subsection does not apply to a partial-birth abortion that is necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself.

Document (text of the statutue starts on p. 16): http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/abortion/2003s3.pdf

There is an exception to the ban if it is necessary to save the mother's life. The Supreme Court in Planned Parenthood v. Casey stated that there must be an exception to preserve the life and the health of the mother. This law does not have an exception to preserve the health of the mother, that's one reason why there is a controversy over this new law.

Good point. Many people are upset with the gray area of this law or it's unclear as to life of the mother. I say let the life of the mother wording stand since it's so rare that most of the time it will not matter.

The PBA itself has little to do with the mothers health. It's like saying if you get a cold you and your Doctor can still cut off your foot should the cold threaten your life :egads:

[Life of the mother? This argument is getting old.

Uhhhhh.. I guess you didn't read the article or the rest of my response. The point was about a life and death situation. There was no alotment for a partial birth abortion where the mothers life is in danger. That's what everyone was upset about. Noone here was agreeing with a partial birth abortion being a form of birth control.

Don't take things out of context to try and make a point. If your wife is doped up and dying on the table you're the one that's gonna have sit by and watch her die without a clause in that law that allows for an abortion if the mothers life is in danger. That's all that this is about.

i'll tell you where i stand on abortion. unless it is 50% developed, it isn't a child. It is still just scrambled eggs at that point IMO. getting to a certain point where it resembles a human skeleton and meets what i would call a child would be the cutoff point.

From everything I have heard reported they all said it DOES include a provision that they can still do it if it is required to save the motor OR if the kid is totally jacked/won't live/etc.

I see no problems with this law considering it has those provisions in it, and I am pro choice... If you let it get that far into pregnancy you have already made your choice, no turning back then!

-Ethan

Abortions are good for the economy-what was Bush thinking?

US
http://www.gynpages.com/crist/6.html


UK

http://www.mariestopes.org.uk/uk/abortion-fees.htm

Statistics:

http://www.abortiontv.com/AbortionStatistics.htm