I was wondering if the term "rice" could be considered a racist remark. First, let's assume that the term "rice" refers to mods such as neon windshield sprays, neon tire caps, and other modifications of such that do not serve a function but are used to blatantly express uniqueness and/or speed. Now we can assume that rice is mostly an asian food, being one of the most consumed food in asian contries. So does that mean that calling something "rice" means that asians blatantly express their uniqueness and/or speed? Having said that, many "ricer" modifications have been done by many non-asian people. Does that mean the term "rice" inaccurately describes these people's modifications? On another note, what of the "lowrider" modifications? Can they be called "rice" because of their blatant expressions through their automotive modifications?

Originally posted by siniquezu
I was wondering if the term "rice" could be considered a racist remark.

no its not, look at the definition below:

rice: ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r"I"s)
n.
1. A cereal grass (Oryza sativa) that is cultivated extensively in warm climates for its edible grain.
2. The starchy grain of this plant, used as a staple food throughout the world.
3. An import vehicle that has been modified to look like an alien spacecraft or some type of transformer.

. An import vehicle that has been modified to look like an alien spacecraft or some type of transformer. :D

I don't think it's racist at all. India has a billion people, they eat hella rice. Uncle Ben's rice. Red Beans and Rice (yummmy).

So it's cool to say JDM but not rice?:cylon: :)

rice o rony? the san fransisco treat!

Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
:D

I don't think it's racist at all. India has a billion people, they eat hella rice. Uncle Ben's rice. Red Beans and Rice (yummmy).

So it's cool to say JDM but not rice?:cylon: :)

Jerry Rice?

I don't discriminate....I'll call your shiat rice no matter what color YOU are.....:p

What kind of rice are you calling the person?

Me? I'm Yellow Rice
some of you are White Rice, or Brown Rice, or even Dirty Rice....
:D

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Originally posted by jmecbr900
I don't discriminate....I'll call your shiat rice no matter what color YOU are.....:p
Yup :thumbup:

I don't think so...
People always stereotype. Allthough I belive it's wrong, you just deal with it.

IMHO Anyone that takes offince to "rice" should get tuffer skin & be glad I don't say "Hey guys WTF kind of slant-eyed-mobile is that!?" Instead of "Somebody fix the gravy we're eating RICE TONIGHT!"

Seriously... I don't take offence when people think Alabama is trailer parks, hunting & 31" of lifted 4*4's...



And honestly... WTF should we not call them "Rice". Asia is where that style came from... Just like we're all "jerk-cowboys" to them. It serves them right for creating something so freaking different.
To each his own though...


FYI 1sic
Uncle Ben was black... Not Asian LoL! Look at the box!

That's a good point.

It's too bad that nobody calls those old school Impalas with gold, 11 inch wheels that stick out like cockroaches' legs "tortillas" or "tacos".

Jon

Originally posted by Toysrme
I don't think so...
People always stereotype. Allthough I belive it's wrong, you just deal with it.

IMHO Anyone that takes offince to "rice" should get tuffer skin & be glad I don't say "Hey guys WTF kind of slant-eyed-mobile is that!?" Instead of "Somebody fix the gravy we're eating RICE TONIGHT!"

Seriously... I don't take offence when people think Alabama is trailer parks, hunting & 31" of lifted 4*4's...



And honestly... WTF should we not call them "Rice". Asia is where that style came from... Just like we're all "jerk-cowboys" to them. It serves them right for creating something so freaking different.
To each his own though...


FYI 1sic
Uncle Ben was black... Not Asian LoL! Look at the box!

Pork Fried rice? mmm tasty

Originally posted by Toysrme
Seriously... I don't take offence when people think Alabama is trailer parks, hunting & 31" of lifted 4*4's...


It's not??? :D

Rice is everywhere - sure it's eaten in East Asia countries all the time, but same with India (as mentioned before). I'm of Iranian descent and almost all of the Persian Ethnic foods are rice based.... out of the 7 days of the week, i probably eat rice around 5 of those days.

In fact, im eating rice as I type this! :cool:

I'm a white american and am sitting at my desk in Chattanooga, TN eating Mu shu Beef smothered in teriyaki and rice. I can assure you nothing i am eating was imported, and was prepared 5 miles from me. Nothing about this entire dinner is asian, ironically since it is an asian meal by association.

SO, the only 3 things i know about rice is:

1. Tastes like chicken out of a roni box.
2. looks like s;):)t on a car
3. and never eat it raw by the handful.

beyond that......... your overthinking the situation. :D

Originally posted by O. L. T.
your overthinking the situation. :D

Maybe you're right. I just think it's a double standard that there is no terminology for lowrider/100-wire rims cars.

so make one up then. everytime you see a lowrider say "hey, a chalupa wagon" or something...

I think people who think that a word is racist just has a chip on their shoulder, and probably has a bad self image of themselves, or people of their race. A word is a word is a word. If you want to think people are throwing derogatory terms at you, then you yourself are the problem.

Originally posted by O. L. T.
I'm a white american and am sitting at my desk in Chattanooga, TN eating Mu shu Beef smothered in teriyaki and rice. I can assure you nothing i am eating was imported, and was prepared 5 miles from me. Nothing about this entire dinner is asian, ironically since it is an asian meal by association.

SO, the only 3 things i know about rice is:

1. Tastes like chicken out of a roni box.
2. looks like s;):)t on a car
3. and never eat it raw by the handful.

beyond that......... your overthinking the situation. :D

You for got that rice kills fire ants

I think people who think that a word is racist just has a chip on their shoulder, and probably has a bad self image of themselves, or people of their race. A word is a word is a word. If you want to think people are throwing derogatory terms at you, then you yourself are the problem.

now this has to be the most stupid thing I've heard in a while, but then again, I must consider the source. I guess america's bigotry throughout history has been forgotten by those to young to know anything about it. I think rice was a derrogatory termed used by a certain group of people who had "american pride" who didn't like foreign cars, the outlandishing modifying of those cars, and the people who stereotypically drove them,... being asian. Now, some of us, only meant it to describe the lack of taste in mods, and didn't see past that, but for others, it was the whole principle of anti-foreign sentiment.

Originally posted by NAZTY97
now this has to be the most stupid thing I've heard in a while, but then again, I must consider the source. I guess america's bigotry throughout history has been forgotten by those to young to know anything about it. I think rice was a derrogatory termed used by a certain group of people who had "american pride" who didn't like foreign cars, the outlandishing modifying of those cars, and the people who stereotypically drove them,... being asian. Now, some of us, only meant it to describe the lack of taste in mods, and didn't see past that, but for others, it was the whole principle of anti-foreign sentiment.


What they hell does that have to do with bigotry? If anything, it has to do with equality. When you start identifying labels to people and labels to yourself, you too are doing nothing but promoting racism. Like I said, a word is a word, nothing more, nothing less. Now, what you do with that word depends on the type of person you are. A person who is afraid of being identified by a stereotype of whatever group they might fall under will take offense, a person who is secure in themselves and their self image could care less. You know, if people worried less about the labels that might be put on them, and took the time to strengthen themselves, the labels would eventually go away. Hell, I'm just hoping we all end up the same color brown and I don't have to listen to people *****ing about the world crapping on them because of their color. Going back to what I was saying, a word is racist if the person on the recieving end thinks it's racist. I could call someone "fish", and if they think it has any bad correlation towards their race, they might go ahead and say it's racist.

Racist words are more or less defined by the word's history, tone, context, and who's saying it.

For example,...if some young male calls me boy as in this sentence: "that's my boy Greg, we've been cool since he's joined Club Lexus",... nothing infered here. Now if an older white male in his 60's -80's says "Boy, we don't tolerate your types around here",... well that carries a different message / tone.

Let's go to the "N" word,... most every young inner city kid now'a'days refers to themselves as one, since it's been glamorized by hip hop and urban culture as some kind of positive. Asians, whites, hispanics, etc. call themselves and everybody else one,..so in today's society, it's universal to some. Now,... look at someone older who was spit on, treated injustly, and everytime they went some where some white person was callin them that, since the root word's definition is "cheap; worthless", and considering at that time, blacks where only considered 3/5ths of a person anyways, and afterwards, never really treated worth a damn for a long time, again, if a older person was calling me one, it'd have a different meaning, than the fool who forgot what it meant in the first place was using it in there everyday slang use. I don't think the older person who used it to display their dislike for blacks would be happy about their own children calling themselves that, because in their mind, it'd be a misuse of the word.

On the subject of rice, most of the time I heard mid age white people who believed in American Muscle hating on Asians and not only calling their cars ricers, but referring to them as rice boys,... as to connotate some negativity to being an asian, and america does have a history of not always having liked asians ( sometimes we like to forget the historical bigotry and ALL that was derived from it ).

If you have never had to live with what you don't understand, than you probably will never understand it. I'm sure some of us on this site can relate to what I just said, and some can't,... but don't ever misconstrue being honest with reality for whining, and never minimize something because you can't calculate it's impact or reality.

“You can only be destroyed by believing that you really are what the white world calls a n*****” (James Baldwin).

This is essentially my point. The people who worry about the words being throw at them are self-destructive. I've been called many names, and I imagine, depending on who is listening, someone would probably consider it racist, but at the time, that wasn't what I was hearing. I understand that America has a bad history of racial conflicts, but, that is not happening now, and doubtfully ever will, therefore, people need to move foreward, and stop worrying about the labels, and worry about the image.

Originally posted by SDuquette
I understand that America has a bad history of racial conflicts, but, that is not happening now, and doubtfully ever will, therefore, people need to move foreward, and stop worrying about the labels, and worry about the image.
I used to think the same way, until I asked my African-American friends if racism still going on. They tell me that it is still going on, although it is subtle. I'm not going to go into the details of what they told me, but rest assured, racism against African-Americans is still going on in this country :( :thumbdn:

Originally posted by 93LexoGS300
I used to think the same way, until I asked my African-American friends if racism still going on. They tell me that it is still going on, although it is subtle. I'm not going to go into the details of what they told me, but rest assured, racism against African-Americans is still going on in this country :( :thumbdn:

I am probably a minority where I live, and you don't think I see racism toward me, but again, that's not the point. We are talking about the word rice, and if it is racist. It is only racist if you make it racist, just like any other word.

let me sum this up.....


For something to be offensive, someone must first take offense.

SDuquette: No offense. I am not personally attacking you for which you are not the one who's created this
term. I am merely offering my perspective and opinion as a minority.

As much as I love equality and freedom in this country, I must say that indeed, derogatory/racial words are being spoken everyday without considerations. And unfortunately, those who invented these terms are not only defending and justifying the use of these words to their death, they are also denying any racial connotations these words may imply.

True, nothing in specific is directed at Asians in the word "rice" itself. However, we all know that rice came from across the Pacific Ocean (and regardless whether it was Asians who invented rice or not), this name has been used in reference to food with Asian flavor and receipts for years. Just like the Tortillas, no matter how popular it's used or how much people reflavor it to invent another dish in other areas of the world such as Asia, America, Africa, etc, Tortilla's always going to have that "Mexican" connotation to it.

Some people do not feel that "rice" implies anything because these people did not grow up eating rice, meaning they're either not Asian, or have very little knowledge regarding the Asian culture.

Believe me, if God were to take a group of whites, and dump them in China and have their offsprings live there for generations. I am more than certain that this arguments would've been raised another way had Chinese people called cars such as Mustangs, Cameros and Corvettes that are improperly modified "KFC chicken wings", "Hamburgers", or "Beef steaks".

Anything wrong with that? The last time I went to Asia there were more McDonalds, Kentucky Fried Chickens, and Beef Steak Houses than anything else.

Jon

When I refer to a ricer it is in regards to tasteless mods, attitude and driving style. If I see a V6 mustang with a Cobra R wing and Saleen front end weaving in and out of traffic, leaning over in his seat trying to be cool, thatd rice. It may be subcategoried into domestic rice, but its rice nonetheless. If I see a civic with, well I think you all know the stereotype, it is rice as well. Hell, a full sized pickup truck could be acting like a jerk trying to race at every light and cutting everyone off and he would be driving "ricey". Yes, rice refers to the Asian cars that have began to be heavily and tastelessly modded since the 90's import explosion, but remember, all the way back to the 70's when all the little econo boxes were called "rice burners" because of their origin and presumably, small engines that ran so cheaply and could have been run off of rice. the best comparison I can think of is calling something ghetto. When that term was first used it was in reference to inner city situations, primarily black areas, but now has been used to describe anything bad or out of style. Just like rice, there are ghettos worldwide but the interpretation is carried tobalck inner city areas. Being one of African American descent, it does not offend me when someone calls my old ratty clothes "ghetto". I don't think it is making my ancestors look like worse people, and it doesn't offend me. I think rice is in the same category and it shouldn't be considered racist, or a form of bigotry, but thats just my opinion.

James

When I refer to a ricer it is in regards to tasteless mods, attitude and driving style. If I see a V6 mustang with a Cobra R wing and Saleen front end weaving in and out of traffic, leaning over in his seat trying to be cool, thatd rice

this was covered in my post, but it did not exclude those who have further meaning. I am of African American decent, and before I knew what "rice" was, it was always used in this context. "Greg, you don't want to look like one of those rice boys"...inference... typical asian. I can go further and say, if those same people were talkin' to the asians,...they'd say " Khang, you don't want to like those ghetto folks with all that bling bling"... inference, ..typical stereotype of African Americans. I'm not saying anyone using the word rice is being a racist, but just the same, use words that they don't even know the history of, or it's impact. Most younger caucasion people who call themselves n***as don't have any real life attachment to that word, it's just the trendy thing to do,.... to whereas their parents probably would never accept being called that from anybody, caucasion or not, and their forefathers would kill you for callin them something that was reserved for the undeseriables in society. So knowing history is more important than acting like because it didn't affect or concern you directly, that it's whatever you want to believe it is.

You idea about the matter is almost liking saying I should as a black man, be able to join the KKK and just think of it as a country club that everybody gets to where white, since it's not 1960. And as some of you'd like to believe,.... racism is dead,...and so is the Klan... ( but yet they still make the news every year for something ).... stop living in a fantasy world of no bad people and no bad ways.

Age is probably the biggest division between us on this issue, followed by background. If I am listening to a 23 yr old on the subject of racial issues,... his/her take is not going to be the same as mine at 29 or someone is 49,.... life didn't start when you showed up on earth and didn't change because you are here. I may not get offended by the use of n**a towards me, but it doesn't change the meaning or intended use of the word.

I never did understand the use of the N word. I think it is an awful thing to say! I most definatly would never use it. I find it to be very demeaning, perhaps my age of 38 may have something to do with that. I can remember my mother making my older brother eat soap for calling another boy that in a fight. How can you not be offended when it has been attached with so many bad things in our history. By the way I'm white and I would be pissed someone called me a cracker or rice or beaner or any other awful term. Shame on us for excepting such words out of our childrens mouths and saying it is a way of speach they don't mean anything by it.
my 2 cents

I guess I could be considered one of those children. I'm 17 and being in highschool I hear it all. Me and my other black friends have gotten into fights with kids that use the N word and I do not tolerate that from anybody. Even though I'm younger and and it is becoming more of a slang term I haven't accepted it. I'm not gonna walk up and sucker punch someone cuz i heard them say it but for damn sure I'm gonna let em know that I don't like what they're saying. I attribute my disdain to this word mainly because of what my dad had taught me about how he grew up in the racist south and how he was someones "boy" or "n****r". I've been taught to not tolerate this kinda crap from any one who is going to use it to try to make me feel like I'm a worse person because there is nothing wrong with being black, or asian, or hispanic or ANYTHING. If rice is used to specify the person driving the car it is a racist term, but rice, when used in describing a style or lack thereof of a car then I don't think it is offensive.

James

BRAVO !!! James
I think if more young people took pride in them selves, like you have, racism would stop (or at least be minor). We unfortunately will always have some stupid person who thinks they have a right to express there mis-lead beliefs (KKK and losers alike). They choose to hide behind the constitution of freedom of speech and such. . . but they choose to forget that ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL!!!! I guess that the KKK would hate me alot because I am a female and a catholic and have German decent and a very out spoken personality. I would love to know who made these people, I mean were they hatched from eggs or what? I don't believe my god would make such people to hate the way they do. another 2 cents worth.

I never did understand the use of the N word. I think it is an awful thing to say! I most definatly would never use it. I find it to be very demeaning, perhaps my age of 38 may have something to do with that. I can remember my mother making my older brother eat soap for calling another boy that in a fight.

point proven, and I'm glad to hear at least one person who is not directly affected or the object here able to see outside of their reality. ( and props to your mom for being a mom )

guess I could be considered one of those children. I'm 17 and being in highschool I hear it all. Me and my other black friends have gotten into fights with kids that use the N word and I do not tolerate that from anybody. Even though I'm younger and and it is becoming more of a slang term I haven't accepted it. I'm not gonna walk up and sucker punch someone cuz i heard them say it but for damn sure I'm gonna let em know that I don't like what they're saying.

point proven again.... you are younger, HOWEVER your dad did his job by informing you of some sort of history of who you are in the multi-ethnic totem pole of society.

If anything, this is for those, like SDuquette who feel as if, since they don't take offense to things derrogatory in nature by mere definition that somehow eliminated the true problem. Being called a word is just that, you're right Mr. Duquette, but that's only a symptom of a bigger problem. The problem that you and many others overlook is, why did you call someone or refer to someone/something with that choice of words,...and when you peel the surface level bulls----t off and get to the core,... you generally find an anti-"whatever" sentiment towards who or whatever to some degree...and that degree is what generally defines one as racist or just racial insensitive.

One of the ironies I see in the white community when it comes to racism / inequality is between money and education vs those without it. The white person who is considered "trailor park" trash to the affluent can better tell you about labels and treatment within their own community, and be more aware of it since they are more likely to get that treatment than the well to do caucasion who fits a certain desireable look and profile. So back to rice,... most of the younger asian culture and lifestyle don't fit into the standard american profile of acceptable, by virtue of lifestyle, historical background, or taste in modding cars, and thus how we derived a label for it. I hate big stripes down the middle of the car, and nascar stickers, but somehow I don't have a name for that. Lowriders don't have any other label other than lowriders around here,...and maybe they do, but i haven't heard it. Most black lifestyle has been labeled "ghetto", as discussed in the ghettopoly thread,... hell what's next,... riceopoly??

AGM=Amercan Ghetto Market. A coin I termed after JDM=Japanese Domestic Market. I hope I don't get in trouble.

For something to be offensive, someone must first take offense.

Indeed.:cool: You can only be destroyed by believing that you really are what the white world calls a n*****” (James Baldwin).

Indeed.

Maybe we can all relate to clothing discrimination. You know, going somewhere and b/c you are not dressed in a suit or tie/blouse, you are treated like crap or that you can't afford the things at where you are.

I agree with those who think "rice" is a non-racist term because it is used to describe a style. Anyone of any race can have a car that is "rice", so this term is not limited to those of a specific race. If I'm driving on the freeway and up ahead I see a car that has all the huge wings, trash-can exhaust, "type R" stickers, etc, I would call that car rice regardless of who is driving it.

In regards to racism, it is sad to see people these days holding on to such idiotic beliefs. Racism is born of ignorance. It is easy to hate, it is harder to understand and tolerate the differences that make us unique. If people got a proper education, they would see there are so many more similarities between the races than meets the eye.

Anything that causes a stir within you is not the problem of the sender, but of the reciever. You.

I can say "i like tuna" but if you are someone who is strongly opposed to tuna you will find it offensive. Noone else in the room give a damn about tuna, but YOU did. I said something offensive.

When we as individuals learn to control our emotions and quit blaming others for offending us, we will benefit as a society.

If i call you a N and you look at me like i am a complete worthless piece of trash,.... you have just won. You controlled your emotions, and i didn't get the reaction i wanted from you. Victory has been established within your soul, and your situation both.

Whether or not someone has a foul mouth is none of your concern. It is not your life. How you handle YOUR life is what will get you through the next 50 years. If someone is a piece of trash, let them be a piece of trash. Did GOD give you the right to judge others and try and correct them? "Only god can judge me" is more than a saying. If you are religious or NOT the fact still remains you are not MY keeper.

We hear something and react to it. The sender IS NOT at fault because you were offended. 100 people within ear's distance heard that and 20 of them were offended and 80 were not. The sender did not make you have an abberation that triggers your reaction. YOU DID. It is YOUR abberation within yourself that makes you react to whatever you see or hear. You reacted, your mind has the abberation. Yet we blame others for saying something offensive. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN OFFENSIVE WORD SPOKEN FROM SOMEONE'S MOUTH. BECAUSE, you must hear it, and react to it for it to be offensive WITHIN YOUR MIND. The word is still out there traveling to other people ears that DID NOT take offense.

The reaction happened within YOU my friend. I am tell you all this so you can better control yourselves and quit trying to control others.

Then, the problems will cease to exist.

Be smarter than your opponent.

OLT - I take your point, and agree with it for the most part, but I don't think it's always that simple. If you go into a theater and shout "fire" and people run out, it's their fault?

But to summarize your point as someone once said to me, our reactions are our own - only we create those reactions.

As far as seeing you as a worthless piece of trash if you called me a N that would still be reacting negatively really. The better reaction would for you to feel sorry for me being so ignorant and clearly insecure and in pain.

yeah man, not a suggestion, just an example.

as far as the fire thing i see absolutely no ability to compare that. but..... don't care enough to follow up ;)

So today I was listening to the radio and a black caller was talking about the racism he has seen towards himself when he lived in LA and Georgia. But then he talked about how people where I live, New Mexico, don't understand it since there is so little of it here. I looked at his statement 2 ways, one, yes I may be naive to racism, since I rarely experience it, and what I have is very minor, and more of a seperation of money than race. On the other hand, maybe it is because we are such a diverse population, and for the most part, people aren't inclined to only be a part of their ethnic group. Like I've said a few times, the group of people I am friends with includes people from every race possible, and we really don't recognize people by color, by words, or by stereotypes, we are all just people. Going back to what was previously said, people need to let go of these words and these stereotypes, and look no further than what they are, just sensless babble for the most part. Before I go off on the wrong path, I'll end it here.

I think I'm going to put it to ya'll like this... it's like me as a man trying to tell a woman how she should feel, react, and handle the issues of PMS from experience with it. I will never have first hand experience, just an idea in my head derived from whatever I concluded by observation, and she will never respect my opinion because somethings in this life you would have to live to understand.

But it is everywhere with everybody, you are not alone, and not special. It is how you react to what comes at you, you are in control of yourself. When I was thirteen, I used to ride the bus across town, I went to a private school. This bus had to go through some of the nastier parts of town. This was freshman year, so were were what, 14? Anyways, one of the girls that rode the city bus with me was going to the back and tripped over a lady's foot. She immediately apologized, and sat down. The lady came back and started telling us how we "white people" (I was the only white person out of the 4 of us) are always stepping "us" and we think we are all bad because we get education. So I told her she was ignorant, and to shut the hell up, the girl apologized, so turn around. She starts rating about how white people think they can get away with everything, then says she has a toy in her purse, and she was going to take care of all the white people on the bus. By that time, the bus driver had stopped the bus, and was threatening to call the cops, and kicked her off the bus, so she continues on that they are not kicking us off because we are white, etc. Near everyday I had to deal with the cholos and gang members on the bus, why, because I'm white. You know what though, not once did I get angry at them because they were harassing me about my color, instead, I brushed it off, if I felt in danger, I reacted to the threat at hand, not the racist remarks I heard, and on the inside, I knew I was better than them, and was proud of myself for being the better person.

The reason I say this is because, anywhere anyone goes in the US, there is a chance someone will dislike them because of their race, no matter what color you are. Therefore, you are no different than anyone else. Hell, if you don't like it, move somewhere more accepting if you can't handle it. Be the better man. Rather than thinking the world is down on you because of your skin, be the better man, and recognise their ignorance, and move on, pointing fingers and calling someone a racist makes you no better than them, because in the end, you are both just calling eachother names.

good grief!! save the self help speech for someone who needs it,... not once in any post I've made, have I alluded to my approaching of self destruction, or emotional collapse due to the inherent inequalities of this world. I simply state I don't pretend that things don't exist because I don't acknowledge them or their existence. I don't give a daum what people think or say about my race, or other races because of the sad truth of being used to the poor ideas, attitudes, and view points of the racially insensitive, racially wrong, racially biased, and just plain ignorant people in this world. I live around, under, and above those things because trying to fight them is like trying to get you to understand it's reality and that not everybody in this world has a backbone of stone as you'd like to believe. The how you react to things cliche' is a bunch of utopian bullsh-- because everyone of us has emotions that trigger behavior favorable and undesirable. Don't think so??? let your wife say the right thing and there's hell in the house,... I've been married before so I can speak on that, or let you say the right thing, and you know exactly what is, and she's gonna have your azz for dinner. Say the wrong words around the right person and you will find the flaws in your line of thinking, and you can call them stupid all day, but I'd question your logic for overlooking a person's background, experiences, and recourse to prior and current situations in their life. Try joking about rape around a woman who's been raped and see what that gets you,... probably an earful more than you care to hear,...but then again, you probably have some silly naive antedote to that as well. Handicap jokes are funny as well until you end up a parapalegic, then it's not the same any more,... but one thing you will never have to worry about, unless you're like Micheal Jackson, is appearing to be from another race in which you were not born,...and for no instance in this world are you going to tell me, or anybody else with an ounce of sense in their head what is to live a day in my life as something other than you from your limited scope of observation, or even if you studied us in textbooks for the rest of your life. I could never know the experience of "white privelege", which by the way was written by a white male doing a study, because I am not white,... at best I might be able to agree with the concept by virtue of my observation and his literature,.. nothing more.

I don't care if you were the only white person on a school bus,... try being the only black in a school district for 13 yrs, or in a college classroom the whole duration of your college experience,... the only black at your job for as long as you have the job, and the first black at that company, and in whatever your position is,... hardly a comparison,... I understand racism is a mult-way street, not just a black and white issue, and that there some idiots in my racial background who didn't treat you correctly, and didn't exemplify being human first before being black, but does not minimize the greater magnitude of how this country has treated many of us, even to this day, and other foreigners for that fact.

Nicely put NAZTY97. . . I could only speak for myself, I would never presume that I would know what it is to be black, purple, yellow or anything else. The differant attatudes towards you that you must face day in day out. I personally enjoy speeking to people from differant cultures and religions to learn more about them , so I can understand a bit better and not be so judgmental of them. I think as a generation we need to be much more like you said "see a person first as a human being", we are what makes the world go around.
Boy I bet the gentleman who started this thread didn't expect the reaction he got, but I think we all walk away from this thread feeling a little better about our selves and I also bet we will all think twice before we open our mouths about some one or thing again. Talking like this is something none of our parents were able to do, they might be baby steps , but it is a step none the less.

Not trying to disagree with you guys, but i do have to admit, Richard Pryor uses it a lot, and is hilarous. Could he be just as funny without using it? probably... but he doesn't.

There's a lot of good insight on this board, keep the thoughts comin :thumbup:

ahhha I must agree with you BLUEPIZ, he is funny and one of my favorites, thats for sure. See I don't recall him calling another person that, I remember him saying it, but I don't recall him saying you are my ______ or you are a ______. Boy do I miss him, I wonder how he is doing? I have heard him say a few other names but, don't recall again aiming at someone.

bluepiz and sc400red, ya'll speak truths of use of certain words within a community,... but I know that the words used in other communities, I don't "get comfortable" enough to use towards them because they will probably not on a big scale feel the same intent as if it were from one of their own.

I hate when our black comedians single out white people at comedy shows because of their anger and ignorance to what has happened to them, so they use that as a means of lashing out racially in an environment where the other person is generally powerless... or at least voiceless. I feel that way because when one person generally works someone's nerves so bad from another race, that just about ruins the outlook on most people of that race thereafter.

I graduated from a 90-something percent white high school,... and there was this girl who's parent's could not stand black people,...so out of rebelling, she'd date and sleep with black men in her parents house,... and was loving black men,... but as soon as she got mad,.. all of us were n****s and she wished we we'd all get shipped back to Africa,... it just depended on what day it was and how she felt about her last lover. I've seen this scenario well too often, and the explotation of stereotypes behind it. Another girl assaulted my homeboy because she lost her temper, he restrained her, the cops were called, the cops didn't even ask him what happened, she said when asked if he attacked her,..." of course he did, you know how they are".... off to jail he went. All of this is to say, most who use it don't even truly understand why they do, or where it's origin came from and where it is today, where those outside of the ethnic circle are in the mindset of these young ladies.

It's sad, but how life is... me, I just try to respect others and leave certain areas alone and remain away from unwise territory.

Nastey97, I understand what you are trying to say, but in the same breath I can't agree with what you say people are exposed to, that is part of the problem. We as a community have to stop using stereo typical words. I don't walk up to my friends give them a high five and say " whaz up my honkie". I would find it to be rude and insaulting. I surely would not dream of doing that to my black friends either, out of respect. Please don't mis-understand me, I'm not saying Honkie is near as bad as the N word. When I here someone say that word I think of all the poor souls who suffered on plantations and etc. As far as those "ladies" (if you want to call them that). What they did is awful and just plain stupid. I'm sure you don't think all white girls are going to have you arrested right.
Now I have a story for you, My father in law was a cop for many years in the city, he was killed at the age of 59 (1 year before he was able to retire). The accident was not because he was chasing the stolen car, he was a passanger in a patty wagon, infact he wasn't even supposed to be in that car, the other officers partner called of sick and he went with him. the two patty wagons collided and he was and the driver both were killed. Know the stolen car had to youths in it one was 15 and the other was 18, both had a long rap sheet of stolen cars, robbers and etc. Supid kids doing stupid stuff took two men's lifes away. Yes they were black kids, but they could have been white too. I don't look at it as those stupid N's, as hard as it is for his family to get thru every day stuff with out him. It was an accident period. I'm very sure that the young men did not intend to have it turn out the way it did but it did. One older kid is still in jail and the other was sent to juvie. this happened 12 years ago. We have to fight every day to not let racisim dictate to us how we are going to feel about another race or color or religion. That is how we can beat the racism issue. I don't think it has anything to do with how much money one has or how they were raised or what area of town they grew up in. It has to be about treating someone like a human being! Naz you sound like a great person keep up your possitive attitude it will pay off in the end.

Michael Jackson says "it don't matter if your black or white" . well, that's easy for you mike, i don't have $50 million dollars. When you got it like that, you can be anything you wanna be, when your broke your blacker than a mo-fo. Even white dudes walk down the street and break into song.... "geez, i got no money, no clothes, no... "Nobody knows...... the troubles i've seen......"

- Chris Rock.

LOL How true, OLT perfect quote, too funny


Michael Jackson says "it don't matter if your black or white" . well, that's easy for you mike, i don't have $50 million dollars. When you got it like that, you can be anything you wanna be, when your broke your blacker than a mo-fo. Even white dudes walk down the street and break into song.... "geez, i got no money, no clothes, no... "Nobody knows...... the troubles i've seen......"

- Chris Rock.

Hey CL,

I hear people defining cars as "ricey" and I think it has a different meaning for every person. Sounds kind of Asian-offensive to me but no worse than what we used to say in SoCal: "That looks wabby".

My definition of Ricey would be "overdone".

A couple examples would be:

1.) Limousine TV Antenna's on the back of any car or truck (circa 1984).
2.) Neon ANYTHING.
3.) Tire lights.
4.) 4 inch, chrome fender trim.
5.) Fat rims, circa 1990
6.) Snap-On spinners (especially when they don't fit)
7.) Flames on the side of anything that isn't a Harley.

No offense intended.