Hey look - it's the new Hyundai Tiburon!

Oh wait ... oh, never mind, it's a Buick.

Hey, I thought Buick was shut down??? Why are they still on the road?

that was oldsmobile

oops. Thanks. That was Oldsmobile. I guess Buick should be next then:D

Yeah - there's no telling exactly why GM keeps Buick around. I think it's a bad idea to divest Cadillac's Escalade profits into a completely fallen brand like Buick. But, Caddy was (and still is to some extent) down and out not too long ago.

I just don't think the LaCrosse is to Buick what the CTS is and what the upcoming STS (despite the styling) will be to Cadillac - and GM as a whole.

GM just can't keep closing the doors on their brands, they spent 900 million to pay off Oldsmobile dealers, it easy to stop making the cars but the dealers are the problem, if the dealers where not a problem Saturn would probably be gone but GM is gonna redo the whole lineup;)

Buicks problem was their customer base was dieing, but with Tiger Woods and the Rendezvous they lowered their average customer ager to like 54:) anyone notice the Rainier thats the Oldsmobile Bravado and the Terraza, minivan with a truck like front:egads:

GM problem is they spread themselves to thin, the trailblazer now has a Saab nameplate:egads:

Originally posted by whipimpin
Hey look - it's the new Hyundai Tiburon!

Oh wait ... oh, never mind, it's a Buick.

i think Tiburon looks a lot better than that :D

Buick officials talking.
Lexus GS headlights....CHECK!
Lexyus GS C-pillar......CHECK!

And I honestly don't think Buick is that bad. It's just not for us.

The Locrosse is one of the ugliest cars I've ever seen.
It makes Chris Bangle look like a genius. What is GM
thinking when they approve a design like this?
The only good Buick design in the last 10 years is
the current Century which is at the end of it's life cycle.
And that's the cheapest model!

Too many companies have tried unsuccessfully to use
a dual lense headlight design. It was originally a signature
of Jaguar, Lexus, and then MB. They did it right. Now we
see pathetic examples on Hyundai's & Kia's and now Buick?


:egads:

Originally posted by EDGE2
GM just can't keep closing the doors on their brands, they spent 900 million to pay off Oldsmobile dealers, it easy to stop making the cars but the dealers are the problem, if the dealers where not a problem Saturn would probably be gone but GM is gonna redo the whole lineup;)

Buicks problem was their customer base was dieing, but with Tiger Woods and the Rendezvous they lowered their average customer ager to like 54:) anyone notice the Rainier thats the Oldsmobile Bravado and the Terraza, minivan with a truck like front:egads:

GM problem is they spread themselves to thin, the trailblazer now has a Saab nameplate:egads:

Actually, I think the Buick Rainier is off the Trailblazer / Bravada (Ret.) / GMC Envoy platform not GM's minivan chassis.

The Upcoming Chevy Venture replacement the Uplander is what you're referring to I think ... it will have a slew of GM Brand Copies sold under different marques; one by Buick which will be called the Terraza.

AND HOLY COW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The new Acura RL (2005) is a giant carbon copy of the Mazda3 ... only with 20s. HOW TERRIBLE IS THAT?!!

Originally posted by GS3Tek
oops. Thanks. That was Oldsmobile. I guess Buick should be next then:D

Let's see if you feel the same way 30 or 40 years from now....when you're running around in a Park Avenue or Lesabre.:eek2:

Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
Buick officials talking.
Lexus GS headlights....CHECK!
Lexyus GS C-pillar......CHECK!

And I honestly don't think Buick is that bad. It's just not for us.

I agree with 1SICKLEX... Buick is indeed a good car for some people....those who want a smooth, quiet ride, at least fairly good reliability, and want to buy an American nameplate. While they generally appeal to an older crowd (with rare exceptions like the Grand National), you don't necessarily HAVE to be old to like a gentle, relaxing car after a hard day's work...especially a job that's hard on your back like loading trucks, lifting heavy things, construction, etc.....
Like much of the rest of GM, however, Buick needs to get its act together in the fit-and-finish area...their cars simply look and feel too cheap.
I disagree, however with the posts about Buick's ( and Cadillac's and Lincoln-Mercury's ) customer base dying off. Don't forget....today's young dudes are tomorrow's fathers and grandpas. The average life expectancy keeps getting longer and longer all the time. And the largest American generation in history...80 million post-WWII baby boomers...are almost ready to retire and move into granny-cars.

Originally posted by mmarshall
Let's see if you feel the same way 30 or 40 years from now....when you're running around in a Park Avenue or Lesabre.:eek2:

I'm not sure if I understand this correctly, but 30-40 years from now, I still won't be driving in a Park Avenue or LeSabre. They will be too big for my old-age slow-reaction brain and will have more problems than a Lexus. The steering will be too hard for me to turn and the buttons will be too hard for me to push. I will be in an LS by then, new or used. :D

Originally posted by GS3Tek
I'm not sure if I understand this correctly, but 30-40 years from now, I still won't be driving in a Park Avenue or LeSabre. They will be too big for my old-age slow-reaction brain and will have more problems than a Lexus. The steering will be too hard for me to turn and the buttons will be too hard for me to push. I will be in an LS by then, new or used. :D


Yeah, I was just kidding...not every senior citizen drives a Buick. Some of the more limited-income ones drive Geo and Chevy Metros.
If you're in an LS by then I will probably be with you...if I can afford one. For now, at least, it is probably the best luxury car available.
And listen....don't assume that old age necessarily means slow reactions or an inability to think. Carroll Shelby is 80-something and Chuck Yeagher is the same age.....and they still drive race cars and fly fighter jets.

when I see that new Buick LaCrosse on the road next to my 2004 ES330, it's obvious to me that they copied the 2002+ ES - Especially from the side. The Buick is of course GARISH.

I drove Buick company cars for several years (choice limited to lower line Olds, Buick and Pontiac - the Buick Custom was actually the better car). With load levelling airshocks on the rear (and compressor), and HD shocks up front and heavy-duty swaybars (ordered surreptitiously by my friendly dealer) it was a great highway machine for it's day. It was moderatly quick with no real handling vices, given it was a big American sedan. Earlier company cars were Caprice Classic wagons, but that was another company with somewhat deeper pockets for fleet cars (not paychecks).

Back in the day - mid-seventies to mid-eighties - the last of the full-sized sedans made pretty good tourers if you could sneak a few obscure "police" options past the fleet manager. They were dead reliable as opposed to a few Dodges and Fords in the fleet that spent more time in the shop than on the road.

My boss had an Olds 88 that was fully loaded, but was not as quick as my heavier Caprice Classic wagon. He wouldn't let a mechanic lay a wrench on it though - it was giving him an honest 19mpg, where the other full-sized GM 305's in the fleet were getting 13 and 14. We were all blessed with lead feet, but the boss seemed to have that one car in a hundred that actually gets the mileage claimed for it - and more. Gas an oil changes was all it got until he turned it in three years later. Why tinker with success? :)

Couldn't have said it better, Lil. This idea that Buicks......especially the softer-riding ones.......are only for Grandpa and Grandma is N-O-N-S-E-N-S-E. Whenever I hear people say that I would tell them to go jump in a lake....until I got tired of having to fish them out. I myself drove one at age 19...along with muscle cars. I did hard work in those days and it was nice to have a soft-riding car at the end of a hard day.