here are some spy pics of the 06 Avalon, expect 3.5L 280hp V6

http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/8420_image.jpg
http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/8421_image.jpg
http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/8422_image.jpg

http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?n=178&sid=178&article=7555

Mehh

1.) Its an Avalon :sleep:

2.) Those pics mean nothing to me. Whats the point of spy pics if all you see is black vinyl?

If you dorve around in an Avalon like that(camo'd), someone might actually pay attention to the car, otherwise, most people don't realize the car exists. I don't think its ever sold that well.

http://tinypic.com/a9ixt

I've never really been a big fan of avalons.

1. They're way too overpriced for what they are. Yeah they've got the luxury components in them, which makes it nice, but i'd be better of driving a camry or even a maxima.

2. At the price that it's placed at, it should be a model under the ES or lined up with the ES. It doesn't look good enough to be a Lexus tho... more like a hyundai. :thumbdn:

I know this may sound stupid, but I would trade in my 04 GS300 for that 06 Avalon.

My uncle used to own an Avalon and it is a very smooth and luxurous car. Now this car will have a 3.5L and 280 HP? I think that is awesome.

-Donald

I'm loving the smoked-out rims of the Avalon :D ;)

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=114342&highlight=avalon

Our Avalon thread.

Wow, 3.5 V-6 for 280 horses. As much as the updated G35 and new M35. The Toyota Horsepower war HAS BEGUN!!

I guess this engine will make the IS 350 and GS 350? WIth a slight bump in power?

I like the current Avalon: Lots of trunk space, well appointed interior and a reasonable engine...it is a nice car IMO. Interior spacewise it felt close to an LS430. If Lexus didn't exist this would be high on my list. This new one...the overhang doesn't appeal but we'll have to wait and see.

IMO, if both were being made in Japan, I'd edge the Avalon over the ES due to the Avalon feeling a hair larger. I think rear seat leg room is close to the LS430. ?

Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
I guess this engine will make the IS 350 and GS 350? WIth a slight bump in power?

Maybe, if they can properly mate that engine to the IS and GS chassis... the Avalon is a FWD car, while the IS and GS are RWD. (well, of course they could make it work, but would it be cost effective?)

Also, if the GS3xx gets 280 hp, what will happen to the sales of the new GS430, which Lexus says will still have 300 hp? (I'm hoping they are just saying this for now, and then increasing the HP rating when it comes out)

cool, cant wait to see it all out in the open. Ive always liked the Avalon.:thumbup:

all though the haging power winder controls freaks me out a little...

http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/8422_image.jpg

Originally posted by mclaren
If you dorve around in an Avalon like that(camo'd), someone might actually pay attention to the car, otherwise, most people don't realize the car exists. I don't think its ever sold that well.

The current model doesn't sell well, that's the point. The new Avalon will be a leap forward in design. There is an all new engine, better tranny, vastly improved interior and exterior.

Whatever issues the current model has will be resolved. Sales will likely double or even triple.

Lincoln and Buick are definetly paying attention. The older car market is a very profitable one. Thus far Ford and Buick were able to sell the same old garbage and reap in enormous profits.

Like 1SickLex said, expect this 3.5L V6 engine to find its way into the Lexus family. In the Avalon, the engine is probably setup for overall silence and smoothness. It will get an hp bump for the IS/Supra or whatever is going on.

Originally posted by Attila
Maybe, if they can properly mate that engine to the IS and GS chassis... the Avalon is a FWD car, while the IS and GS are RWD. (well, of course they could make it work, but would it be cost effective?)

Also, if the GS3xx gets 280 hp, what will happen to the sales of the new GS430, which Lexus says will still have 300 hp? (I'm hoping they are just saying this for now, and then increasing the HP rating when it comes out)

I kind of agree. I thought Lexus said or we heard that the RWD Lexus cars get a different engine.

Will this 3.5 go in the Camry?
The Avalon is a stretched Camry chassis. The current model doesn't sell well, that's the point. The new Avalon will be a leap forward in design. There is an all new engine, better tranny, vastly improved interior and exterior.
This car is going to do real well

Originally posted by magneto112
http://tinypic.com/a9ixt

The front doesn't look bad at all! But what's with that steering wheel from Pontiac? :slap:

Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=114342&highlight=avalon

Our Avalon thread.

Wow, 3.5 V-6 for 280 horses. As much as the updated G35 and new M35. The Toyota Horsepower war HAS BEGUN!!

I guess this engine will make the IS 350 and GS 350? WIth a slight bump in power?

I'd probably take this upcoming Avalon over the new Acura RL. :D

Who's with me? :cool:

M.

Originally posted by whipimpin
I'd probably take this upcoming Avalon over the new Acura RL. :D

Who's with me? :cool:

M.

The new RL isn't THAT bad ;) It'll cost much more than the Avalon though.

The new direct injection V-6 has been developed specifically for Lexus, RWD vehicles and will come in 2.5L, 3.0L and 3.5L variants, ranging from 210HP up to nearly 300HP. Toyota's new 3.5L V-6 is geared specifically for application in FWD/AWD Toyotas and Lexuses. This will be the only engine availble in the Avalon, but expect it to be the V6 for:
-2007 Highlander V-6 ( A 4cylinder will still be available)
-2007 Camry SE V6 (expect the LE and XLE to use the 3.3L V6 [230HP] and the SE to use the new 3.5L V6 [255-265HP]. The next SE will also probably offer AWD, along with the Avalon.
-2007 Lexus ES350 (new model)
-2008 Solara V6 (a 4cylinder will still be offered)
-2007 RX350 (refresh)

Something to consider though: Toyota has been working with the state of Kentucky to get a tax break to "retool" their Georgetown plant in order to produce an unspecified number of RWD vehicles (no, I'm not kidding you). If this plan does go into affect, expect the next Avalon (after the car pictured here, so we're looking at 2010 or 2011, next Solara, ES, and RX (2007-2008) to switch to a new RWD platform. It's just speculation at this point, but it is possible. The Highlander, Sienna and Camry would continue to use the camry platform, and the RX, ES, Solara and Avalon would switch to the RWD platform.

-Michael-

Originally posted by MPLexus301
The new direct injection V-6 has been developed specifically for Lexus, RWD vehicles and will come in 2.5L, 3.0L and 3.5L variants, ranging from 210HP up to nearly 300HP. Toyota's new 3.5L V-6 is geared specifically for application in FWD/AWD Toyotas and Lexuses. This will be the only engine availble in the Avalon, but expect it to be the V6 for:
-2007 Highlander V-6 ( A 4cylinder will still be available)
-2007 Camry SE V6 (expect the LE and XLE to use the 3.3L V6 [230HP] and the SE to use the new 3.5L V6 [255-265HP]. The next SE will also probably offer AWD, along with the Avalon.
-2007 Lexus ES350 (new model)
-2008 Solara V6 (a 4cylinder will still be offered)
-2007 RX350 (refresh)

-Michael-

What about the new GS3 ? From the thread in the GS forum by Longo Lexus, it's going to be a GS300, even the ES is 330 now :rolleyes: Are you going to line up to put a deposit on the new GS300 which is suppose to be more sporty ? :egads:

Originally posted by whipimpin
I'd probably take this upcoming Avalon over the new Acura RL. :D

Who's with me? :cool:

M.

I'm with you! :thumbup:

-Donald

P.S. I would even take this car over my GS.

this new 3.5L V6 will apparently be introduced along with a 2.5L V6....both engines will be in the "IS300" (which won't be 300 anymore)....basically no more inline engine for that model (the IS i mean). I think the 3.5L is going to be a replacement motor for the GS300 too.

Too much speculation and hype and not enough facts and evidence of anything.

I'll just wait until they come out in person to make my comments.

-Anthony

Originally posted by MPLexus301
The new direct injection V-6 has been developed specifically for Lexus, RWD vehicles and will come in 2.5L, 3.0L and 3.5L variants, ranging from 210HP up to nearly 300HP. Toyota's new 3.5L V-6 is geared specifically for application in FWD/AWD Toyotas and Lexuses. This will be the only engine availble in the Avalon, but expect it to be the V6 for:
-2007 Highlander V-6 ( A 4cylinder will still be available)
-2007 Camry SE V6 (expect the LE and XLE to use the 3.3L V6 [230HP] and the SE to use the new 3.5L V6 [255-265HP]. The next SE will also probably offer AWD, along with the Avalon.
-2007 Lexus ES350 (new model)
-2008 Solara V6 (a 4cylinder will still be offered)
-2007 RX350 (refresh)

Something to consider though: Toyota has been working with the state of Kentucky to get a tax break to "retool" their Georgetown plant in order to produce an unspecified number of RWD vehicles (no, I'm not kidding you). If this plan does go into affect, expect the next Avalon (after the car pictured here, so we're looking at 2010 or 2011, next Solara, ES, and RX (2007-2008) to switch to a new RWD platform. It's just speculation at this point, but it is possible. The Highlander, Sienna and Camry would continue to use the camry platform, and the RX, ES, Solara and Avalon would switch to the RWD platform.

-Michael- :eek1: Wow. Good stuff.:thumbup:

Originally posted by whipimpin
I'd probably take this upcoming Avalon over the new Acura RL. :D

Who's with me? :cool:

M.

Well, that is one of the RLs problems. No panache, no identity, pretty much =blah. THe new RL has the driving dynamics with SH-AWD and is loaded but not overly luxurious and the styling while in-offensive could be the new Avalon. I don't see the 2 buyers cross-shopping though. One is 30k one is 45k in price.

What is scary is if Toyota does make this Avalon a baby LS, it is going to be very, very luxurious.

Originally posted by whipimpin
I'd probably take this upcoming Avalon over the new Acura RL. :D

Who's with me? :cool:

M.

:thumbdn:

THe RL will cost more so it really won't be in the same category. Also, the RL has 20 more HP plus the new SH-AWD wich sounds like it could make the car handle very well considering its size. The new Avalon I'm sure will do well in the elder market as there is no great cars in that category right now.

Originally posted by magneto112
http://tinypic.com/a9ixt

so it might be the real production avalon that we might see in 2005. interesting!

just bring the crown over here.

Originally posted by MPLexus301


Something to consider though: Toyota has been working with the state of Kentucky to get a tax break to "retool" their Georgetown plant in order to produce an unspecified number of RWD vehicles (no, I'm not kidding you). If this plan does go into affect, expect the next Avalon (after the car pictured here, so we're looking at 2010 or 2011, next Solara, ES, and RX (2007-2008) to switch to a new RWD platform. It's just speculation at this point, but it is possible. The Highlander, Sienna and Camry would continue to use the camry platform, and the RX, ES, Solara and Avalon would switch to the RWD platform.

-Michael-

This is one of the most interesting thing I've heard in a while...Raises a lot of questions...Hmm, I'll have to think about this for a bit...

Hmmmm...this was posted on another site. This is what it might look like, but if you look closely, the lower bumper is a little bit different than the spy pic. But everything else is just about right. Basically the same car with very little differences. This car is just beautiful. So elegent.

http://tinypic.com/acvv7
http://tinypic.com/acvvd

O I think this is a Crown Majesta or something like that.

Nice Bangle butt though.:mad:

I don't think it looks too bad at all, a BIG improvement over the current one (we get an old school looking thing here in Australia :egads: )

I still wish this was brought into the country though.
http://www.toyota.co.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/MarkII/grade_val/images/gr_va01a.jpg

Seems to look pretty nice...I take it, its still FWD?

Originally posted by MPLexus301
It's just speculation at this point, but it is possible.

But all the info you have posted are simply speculation. Not qualified information from real sources. ;)

Originally posted by MPLexus301
The new direct injection V-6 has been developed specifically for Lexus, RWD vehicles and will come in 2.5L, 3.0L and 3.5L variants, ranging from 210HP up to nearly 300HP. Toyota's new 3.5L V-6 is geared specifically for application in FWD/AWD Toyotas and Lexuses. This will be the only engine availble in the Avalon, but expect it to be the V6 for:
-2007 Highlander V-6 ( A 4cylinder will still be available)
-2007 Camry SE V6 (expect the LE and XLE to use the 3.3L V6 [230HP] and the SE to use the new 3.5L V6 [255-265HP]. The next SE will also probably offer AWD, along with the Avalon.
-2007 Lexus ES350 (new model)
-2008 Solara V6 (a 4cylinder will still be offered)
-2007 RX350 (refresh)

Something to consider though: Toyota has been working with the state of Kentucky to get a tax break to "retool" their Georgetown plant in order to produce an unspecified number of RWD vehicles (no, I'm not kidding you). If this plan does go into affect, expect the next Avalon (after the car pictured here, so we're looking at 2010 or 2011, next Solara, ES, and RX (2007-2008) to switch to a new RWD platform. It's just speculation at this point, but it is possible. The Highlander, Sienna and Camry would continue to use the camry platform, and the RX, ES, Solara and Avalon would switch to the RWD platform.

-Michael-

Michael,
Where are you getting your information from? There are no plans for the ES or Rx to switch to a rear wheel drive platform nor to be built locally. The ES has been a consistent seller in our Lexus lineup since 1990. I don't think Lexus would change such a strong selling model. And they are 330's now, don't know if it'll change to 350 or not. No one can confirm this.

Originally posted by Longo Lexus
Michael,
Where are you getting your information from? There are no plans for the ES or Rx to switch to a rear wheel drive platform nor to be built locally. The ES has been a consistent seller in our Lexus lineup since 1990. I don't think Lexus would change such a strong selling model. And they are 330's now, don't know if it'll change to 350 or not. No one can confirm this.

It's called speculation and wishful thinking. There's no hard evidence to back those erroneous claims of his. ;)

Originally posted by MPLexus301

Something to consider though: Toyota has been working with the state of Kentucky to get a tax break to "retool" their Georgetown plant in order to produce an unspecified number of RWD vehicles (no, I'm not kidding you).

Why would the state of Kenucky provide Toyota a tax break to build a RWD vehicle in the TMMK plant? That's like saying they would give Toyota a tax break if they were to make an unspecified number of yellow painted cars. (yes, you're kidding yourself since alot of the info you just posted is not official or even credible info from a credible source).

Originally posted by magneto112
Hmmmm...this was posted on another site. This is what it might look like, but if you look closely, the lower bumper is a little bit different than the spy pic. But everything else is just about right. Basically the same car with very little differences. This car is just beautiful. So elegent.

http://tinypic.com/acvv7
http://tinypic.com/acvvd

O I think this is a Crown Majesta or something like that.

These pics make the Avalon look like a Hyundai XG 300 or whatever its called.

http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/gallery.aspx?modelid=9885&trimid=-1&src=VIP&tab=3

Originally posted by msilverIS
The front doesn't look bad at all! But what's with that steering wheel from Pontiac? :slap:

The front end look like the M45 to me. The design engineers must be kin.

Originally posted by mclaren
These pics make the Avalon look like a Hyundai XG 300 or whatever its called.

http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/gallery.aspx?modelid=9885&trimid=-1&src=VIP&tab=3

That is not the new Avalon. Its the Toyota Crown Majesta - a $45k - $55k car not sold here.
Look in here http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=130553&highlight=majesta

Originally posted by Soarer_25GTT
I don't think it looks too bad at all, a BIG improvement over the current one (we get an old school looking thing here in Australia :egads: )

I still wish this was brought into the country though.
http://www.toyota.co.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/MarkII/grade_val/images/gr_va01a.jpg

My soul = OWN3D by MarkII

Originally posted by magneto112
Hmmmm...this was posted on another site. This is what it might look like, but if you look closely, the lower bumper is a little bit different than the spy pic. But everything else is just about right. Basically the same car with very little differences. This car is just beautiful. So elegent.

http://tinypic.com/acvv7
http://tinypic.com/acvvd

O I think this is a Crown Majesta or something like that.


that's the crown MJ and it's the flagship ( i know century is the flagship for toyota in JDM market but it doesnt count :D ) sedan from Toyota motor. there is no way in hell that next avalon gonnna be a crown mj. crown mj came with V8 rwd and avalon is FWD V6.

but toyota need to bring crown over to the united states. forget about avalon

Originally posted by BrickHead
That is not the new Avalon. Its the Toyota Crown Majesta - a $45k - $55k car not sold here.
Look in here http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=130553&highlight=majesta

Sorry about that folk. I guess I worded it wrong. What I ment to say is that, the Avalon might have styling cues taken from the Majesta. I truely didnt mean that the Majesta was going to be the next Avalon. If you put the Camo. pic next to the pic that I posted of the Majesta, you will see similarities in the overall shape of the car. You can also see the lines going down the side are very similar, window treatment, grill shape, the dual tailpipes, maybe the headlights, and even the trunklid in the camo are very similar. What I can see that is different is the lower bumper, foglight housings, and maybe the shape of the rearlights. Basically, I am expecting the overall shape of the car with different front and rear ends. These pics also display how big the car is going to be. Sorry for my mix up.

Oh, and I heard about that tax break thing somewhere else too, I beleive from a person who said that they work at the factory in Georgetown or wherever Camrys are made.

Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
I kind of agree. I thought Lexus said or we heard that the RWD Lexus cars get a different engine.

Mike, what are your thoughts on the output power of the new GS430? If the new GS3 does get the 280hp V-6, what would the incentive be to buy the 300-hp V8? (well, assuming 280hp as that is what was stated in original post)

What ever happened to this Avalon concept (below)? A month or two ago this was said to be a preview
of the Avalon. I'm glad it won't be though! The new spy shots are completely different from this.

http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/8420_image.jpg

I think it's fairly accurate for a CGI.

Originally posted by wantAnewLex
My soul = OWN3D by MarkII

You must liek them too :D I think they're trying to get the RAWS compliance for these to come into the country... wonder how much they'd go for here :)

Originally posted by flipside909
It's called speculation and wishful thinking. There's no hard evidence to back those erroneous claims of his. ;)

Speculation and wishful thinking...yes. But there's also an aire of common sense and word of mouth about this. Last year I went to a Toyota Dealer Product meeting where they showed us concept sketches of the next Avalon, as well as confirmed a 3.5L 270HP V6 for the car. Do you really think that Lexus would let their ES, a more expensive, more prestigeous car, fodder on into it's next generation with 45 less HP than the Avalon? The ES may not get all of 270HP, but I think it's realistic to expect at least 260, and I'd also expect the car to use the new 3.5L V6. At the product meeting I attended, there was no discussion about any Lexus vehicles, but common sense would make one think that Lexus is entitied to the "meatier" peices of Toyota's warehouse- the best engines, the latest technologies, hybrid synergy drive, ect. Common sense would hint that Lexus will switch to the 3.5L V6, the best 6 cylinder Toyota will offer, while Toyota will use a mix of the 3.3L and 3.5L V6 in their products.

Presently, the ES and RX share the same engine, transmission, and mechanicals, so I'd expect that once the ES receives the 3.5L engine, the RX would get it shortly there after.

Why do you have to be so snide and rude in your comments?

-Michael-

Originally posted by MPLexus301
Speculation and wishful thinking...yes. But there's also an aire of common sense and word of mouth about this. Last year I went to a Toyota Dealer Product meeting where they showed us concept sketches of the next Avalon, as well as confirmed a 3.5L 270HP V6 for the car. Do you really think that Lexus would let their ES, a more expensive, more prestigeous car, fodder on into it's next generation with 45 less HP than the Avalon? The ES may not get all of 270HP, but I think it's realistic to expect at least 260, and I'd also expect the car to use the new 3.5L V6. At the product meeting I attended, there was no discussion about any Lexus vehicles, but common sense would make one think that Lexus is entitied to the "meatier" peices of Toyota's warehouse- the best engines, the latest technologies, hybrid synergy drive, ect. Common sense would hint that Lexus will switch to the 3.5L V6, the best 6 cylinder Toyota will offer, while Toyota will use a mix of the 3.3L and 3.5L V6 in their products.

Presently, the ES and RX share the same engine, transmission, and mechanicals, so I'd expect that once the ES receives the 3.5L engine, the RX would get it shortly there after.

Why do you have to be so snide and rude in your comments?

-Michael-

Well I find it funny you would be one to contradict info from what Longo Lexus previously posted on another topic, but you share info as if you already know what's going to happen or perceive yourself to be Toyota Motor Corporation's news flasher.

As for the ES and RX sharing the same powertrain and etc, it's only obvious it would still be synonymous with it's Toyota labelmates, the Camry and the Highlander. In Japan, it's all Toyota so it's not gonna be surprising to see the same chassis and powertrains on different bodies. Toyota has done it for years, that's nothing new that a new powertrain will be used on more than one model. Currently, the ES and RX share the same 3MZ-FE V6 with the Solara V6 and the Camry SE V6 model specifically.

No one was being rude at all. Your info only stems to a simple Toyota dealer product meeting. If I recall, Georgia belongs to a dealership group distributor i.e. Toyota Southeast & Gulf States Toyota...not Toyota Motor Sales, specifically? Regardless, there were posts that were made in previous threads that you didn't agree on, but the information came from a very credible source. My argument is, why do you post information as if you know it better than the real professionals themselves?

I saw previous spy pics a few months ago.....dosen't it look like a very large Prius? :eek1:

Originally posted by Attila
Mike, what are your thoughts on the output power of the new GS430? If the new GS3 does get the 280hp V-6, what would the incentive be to buy the 300-hp V8? (well, assuming 280hp as that is what was stated in original post)
Lexus HAS to bump it. It already is underrated. If the new GS has 280hp, Lexus has to bump the V-8 to the 340hp mark or so, ala Infiniti. The manual G35s have 298hp
At least we will have a transmission to make it work like its supposed to:D

300hp was a BIG DEAL 7 years ago when the 2nd gen GS debuted. It will be 8 years later and 300hp is now a walk in the park with tons of carmakers.

Flipside, Longo is not correct. We have no published proof yet. And I find it funny your supporting him when dealers get such a bad rap for their info.

MPLexus is stating his thoughts. He may be wrong or right like the rest of us.

Originally posted by 1SICKLEX


Flipside, Longo is not correct. We have no published proof yet. And I find it funny your supporting him when dealers get such a bad rap for their info.

MPLexus is stating his thoughts. He may be wrong or right like the rest of us.

Based on this info, no one is correct until the information is formally published from Toyota Motor Sales, USA and Lexus. Not a JM Family Enterprises, 3rd party dealership info meet. Longo does get their info straight from TMS and Lexus in Torrance through the University of Toyota program at the headquarters. FYI. Check your PM.

Actually the meeting, in St. Louis last September, had nothing to do with SET or JM Family Enterprises. The meet was strictly about the future vehicles we'd see from Toyota and then some national dealer talk about goals and such.

1SickLex- I don't think we'll see the GS come out with 280HP, as this new 3.5L V6 has probably been created for FWD/FWD biased applications (which is what the new Avalon will be. It's going to ride on a stretched Camry chassis- the same one that the new Sienna uses). I'm pretty sure we'll see the 3.0L DI V6 with 245HP/228 lb-ft of torque, but it sure would be nice to see them throw in just another 10-15HP...even if just for competition's sake.

-Michael-

Originally posted by MPLexus301
Actually the meeting, in St. Louis last September, had nothing to do with SET or JM Family Enterprises. The meet was strictly about the future vehicles we'd see from Toyota and then some national dealer talk about goals and such.

1SickLex- I don't think we'll see the GS come out with 280HP, as this new 3.5L V6 has probably been created for FWD/FWD biased applications (which is what the new Avalon will be. It's going to ride on a stretched Camry chassis- the same one that the new Sienna uses). I'm pretty sure we'll see the 3.0L DI V6 with 245HP/228 lb-ft of torque, but it sure would be nice to see them throw in just another 10-15HP...even if just for competition's sake.

-Michael-

Michael, do you work for a SET dealership? And if so, which one? As for info from last year, it's not current. (you remind me of this kid that would get info from his dad who's some SET employee.

FYI, the Avalon riding on a stretched Camry chassis isn't anything new. It's been that way since it's inception in 1995.

Originally posted by flipside909
Michael, do you work for a SET dealership? And if so, which one? As for info from last year, it's not current. (you remind me of this kid that would get info from his dad who's some SET employee.

FYI, the Avalon riding on a stretched Camry chassis isn't anything new. It's been that way since it's inception in 1995.

I don't actually work for a dealership, I work for SET. The information from last year dealt with the vehicles from that point, all the way to the next product meeting which is at the middle of next month. They showed us the new Avalon, told us it would be powered by a 3.5L V6, and some minor, vague details about the next Tundra. This october, we should see the prototypes for the next Tundra as well as the Camry and Highlander, and the production Avalon.

I know the Avalon is based on the Camry platform, and it always has been. I made that comment to show that since the new 3.5L V6 is going to be put into the FWD Avalon, it probably will not be suitable for RWD vehicles.

-Michael-

Originally posted by MPLexus301
I don't actually work for a dealership, I work for SET. The information from last year dealt with the vehicles from that point, all the way to the next product meeting which is at the middle of next month. They showed us the new Avalon, told us it would be powered by a 3.5L V6, and some minor, vague details about the next Tundra. This october, we should see the prototypes for the next Tundra as well as the Camry and Highlander, and the production Avalon.

I know the Avalon is based on the Camry platform, and it always has been. I made that comment to show that since the new 3.5L V6 is going to be put into the FWD Avalon, it probably will not be suitable for RWD vehicles.

-Michael-

Well i dunno if you've considered this, but it looks like Toyota would ponder the idea of a modular V6 (i.e. Nissan VQ35) for FWD and RWD applications. The modular engine idea is nothing new. It was done with the older legendary 4A & 3S series of engines (i.e. 4A-FE/GE 3S-FE/GE/GTE). Definitely a cost effective solution.

Yes it would be cost effective, but Lexus just came up with a brand new, direct injection V-6 for their next generation GS, and I'd imagine, IS. I'd think that they would want to use that engine as much as possible, but if there was a situation where they couldn't, or where it didn't work with a certain platform (probably FWD based vehicles like the ES and RX), I'd imagine that they'd use the 3.5L V6 from Toyota.

-Michael-

Originally posted by MPLexus301
Yes it would be cost effective, but Lexus just came up with a brand new, direct injection V-6 for their next generation GS, and I'd imagine, IS. I'd think that they would want to use that engine as much as possible, but if there was a situation where they couldn't, or where it didn't work with a certain platform (probably FWD based vehicles like the ES and RX), I'd imagine that they'd use the 3.5L V6 from Toyota.

-Michael-

Well the old rumor was the 3.5 V6 from the new IS would also be used in the Camry and Solara.

Lexus direct injection V6, and Toyota's new 3.5L V6 will be different engines in about every aspect, aside from the fact that they share the same displacement.

-Michael-

Originally posted by MPLexus301
Lexus direct injection V6, and Toyota's new 3.5L V6 will be different engines in about every aspect, aside from the fact that they share the same displacement.

-Michael-

Well until Toyota Motor Corp via TMS, gives an official press release (Not GST or SET), we will assume this Lexus direct injection engine is really a Toyota direct injection engine with the same displacement.

Originally posted by JLSC4
What ever happened to this Avalon concept (below)? A month or two ago this was said to be a preview
of the Avalon. I'm glad it won't be though! The new spy shots are completely different from this.

I'm glad that's not the car we'll be seeing. It looks crappier than the current Altima.

M.

I've had a 1997 Toyota Avalon before....i would definately purchase another one.....this is a nice improvement..i can't wait to see the official info.

Originally posted by GS4fun
I've had a 1997 Toyota Avalon before....i would definately purchase another one.....this is a nice improvement..i can't wait to see the official info.
GS4fun

You just have to wonder where they will price a loaded Avalon. I should come close to the price of a ES 330.

Also I noticed that you have a 2002 BMW 745Li. I hear a lot of complaints about that model year, are you having any problems with yours?

Originally posted by ktiger
GS4fun
Also I noticed that you have a 2002 BMW 745Li. I hear a lot of complaints about that model year, are you having any problems with yours?

Yes...lots...it really hasn't been worth the aggravation. I am looking for a seller but its always difficult because whenever i show the car to someone another alarm on the driver's console always shows up. You wouldn't believe the problems. It is just a matter of time before this thing is gone.....i'm gonna have to make room for the new AWD GS by next March so that's kind of my target date.

Originally posted by GS4fun
Yes...lots...it really hasn't been worth the aggravation. I am looking for a seller but its always difficult because whenever i show the car to someone another alarm on the driver's console always shows up. You wouldn't believe the problems.

Wow...I was so close to buying that car. Some people dislike the styling but I love it. It's been tough waiting but I'm glad I did. I have no plans to buy a GS but I will wait to see what Lexus does with the LS. Thanks for the info.

Car looks pretty nice...

I think you guys (flipside909, MPLexus30, Longo) are just a little sensitive about info from Lexus OR Toyota dealers...both these parties do not get their info until the last moment...when HQ is ready to release it, because they know it WILL be shared with the public.

Anybody here work for TMS/TFS? That would be the best source of info...I have IT contacts there, but unless they are on a Supplychain/Manufacturing or Financial project, you really don't have the ability to get info on the future cars/platforms/specs...

...and it is totally plausable that toyota could open a plant somewhere in the US because of:

1) tax breaks (local & federal)
2) USA product line
3) regional focus of products, etc...it all comes down to money and preception

This does not mean that they will...

For example, Nissan does build cars/trucks/minivans today with it's plant in Smyrna, Tenn. and new plant in Mississippi...

...and yes I worked at NNA for a while and dealt directly with Japan and all of North America (19 subsidiaries in North America, Canada, and Mexico)...so my info on Nissan is credible :D

Just a reminder that this is a forum where lot's of speculation occurs...no need to get down on somebody because of it...and it doesn't mean a sales rep from Longo Lexus is MORE credible then another sales rep...take it with a grain of salt until the model is released and shows up on showroom floors :D

Originally posted by KVA
...take it with a grain of salt until the model is released and shows up on showroom floors :D

I certainly hope those specs. we' ve heard so far of the new GS aren't accurate . . . . .

Toyota is infamous for keeping secrets...we'll have to wait and see.

Honda is also very secretive...a friend of mine leases some building space to them across the street from their National HQ campus because they didn't want their own people (not associated with the projects) to see their projects...my friend can't even get inside and he own the building...lol...and he had to sign NDA's up the ying yang...

Originally posted by MPLexus301
I don't actually work for a dealership, I work for SET. The information from last year dealt with the vehicles from that point, all the way to the next product meeting which is at the middle of next month. They showed us the new Avalon, told us it would be powered by a 3.5L V6, and some minor, vague details about the next Tundra. This october, we should see the prototypes for the next Tundra as well as the Camry and Highlander, and the production Avalon.


Michael,

You are very insightful and knowledgeable about Toyota / Lexus in many of your posts. However, I want to be very clear about a few things. Its very unfair to mispresent your position and state absolute knowledge about new model details to other members when discussing 'what's next'. Unless you're a whiz kid on an executive track at Toyota corporate, you are a Lexus / Toyota enthuiast like the rest of us. Perhaps with a job or close relative that works within the JM Family Enterprises. In this thread just two months ago you posted you were 17 years old.

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1010117#post1010117

I don't normally come out and question the credentials of our members, but I want to request that you and other members respect the information that is coming to us from our ClubLexus vendors such as Longo Lexus as it trickles through the official channels of Lexus. Everything else is third hand, rumor, conjecture or speculation. I'm afraid we won't know 'the final answer' until we see these new models - either Lexus or Toyota - hit the showroom

Originally posted by DaveGS4
Michael,

You are very insightful and knowledgeable about Toyota / Lexus in many of your posts. However, I want to be very clear about a few things. Its very unfair to mispresent your position and state absolute knowledge about new model details to other members when discussing 'what's next'. Unless you're a whiz kid on an executive track at Toyota corporate, you are a Lexus / Toyota enthuiast like the rest of us. Perhaps with a job or close relative that works within the JM Family Enterprises. In this thread just two months ago you posted you were 17 years old.

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1010117#post1010117

I don't normally come out and question the credentials of our members, but I want to request that you and other members respect the information that is coming to us from our ClubLexus vendors such as Longo Lexus as it trickles through the official channels of Lexus. Everything else is third hand, rumor, conjecture or speculation. I'm afraid we won't know 'the final answer' until we see these new models - either Lexus or Toyota - hit the showroom

Dave-

I can account for the post about "working for SET". I had typed a reply, then asked my dad (who works for SET) to come up and look over it to see what information was and was not correct. He deleted my entire first paragraph, retyped his own, and then left the sentence under that as well as the "-Michael-" at the bottom. I, the sole person under this username, am 17 years old and work at a Toyota dealership, not SET.

I would like to say a few other things about your above posts. When it comes to the "future" at Toyota and Lexus, my knowlege on Toyota products will probably be more factual, more absolute, and more dependable than many of the members here because of my dad's position within SouthEast Toyota. While certain members such as flipside909 would like to degrade SET as a company, my dad is fortunate enough to see inside concept cars and get inside knowlege more than a year or so before the public. Last September I noted that the new Avalon was going to have a 3.5L 270HP V6, and at the time, no one believed me. Now, a year later, the rumors ARE leaking out about such an engine with 270HP. The year before that, they showed the new Solara at a product meeting and I told everyone that the rear end was going to look much like the SC430, there would be a new 3.3L V6 with sequential shift, ect. It's great being an automotive enthusiast and having a family member who sees production models a year and a half before they even hit a turn table at an autoshow, but I'm not going to continue to share my knowlege with this forum when members rudely question the validity of my comments and my credibility as a person.

My knowlege of Lexus products is more limited than that of Toyotas, but still more than the average joe here at CL. The product meetings that my father attends are geared 90% towards Toyota, but they also do breifing on upcoming Lexus models. I don't think that my comments towards Longo Lexus were unapproproate, they simply went against some of the things I have heard, which is why I questioned them. My Toyota information is just as secondary as Longo's, who receives it from a manager who goes to these product meetings. It was never a matter of disrespecting Longo or the information he/she gave, just questiong and debating it which is EXACTLY what these internet forums are about. Some of the things he/she posted such as 265HP from a N/A 2.5L V6 or a 200+MPH LS coupe seem way too outrageous to be true, especially when you take common sense into account. Do you really think that the next entry level model of the IS is going to have 20 more HP than the brand new GS300? Let's also consider the fact that there are only 3 cars under $100,000 that make 100Hp/Liter, and the thought of Lexus getting more than 100HP/L in the entry level IS? Considering the first and second "opinions" of mine, I choose not to believe that. Right now the LS430 is governed at 131MPH, and Lexus fastest model, the GS430, tops out at 149HP. I have a problem believing that a LS based coupe is capable of 70MPH faster than the sedan it's based off. At this point, Lexus has been hesitant to use forced induction on any model, so that's another reason I question the original statement. It's not just my personal opinion, but considering the history of Lexus and how they usually do things, I have a problem believing a 2.5L V6 with 265HP or a 200MPH+ LS coupe.

I definitely agree about the fact that the only serious, 100% factual information we will get is from Toyota/Lexus press releases.

-Michael-

Like Dave mentions above, I don't feel the intention is to single out members and question their sources of info, but rather that members be more forth coming in stating that what they are saying is not factual until the actual release of info from Toyota (or you have a high-level executive contact that can validate any statements made).

You sound like a very mature 17 year-old and I commend you on your approach to resolving this issue and understanding all points. This is what makes this such a great site.

So, before anyone jumps to conclusions or makes statements of fact (but can't back it up), simply state your opinion, where you got the info, and identify it simply as speculation.

For most of us, we are going to believe someone from the Lexus side over someone from the Toyota side (at the dealer level), but if your from TMS, then what you say may be more credible. At the end of the day, it's what shows up on the showroom floor that will override what anyone states here on this forum.

So, keep the info coming...just make sure to state your disclaimer. :cool:

Originally posted by MPLexus301
Dave-

I can account for the post about "working for SET". I had typed a reply, then asked my dad (who works for SET) to come up and look over it to see what information was and was not correct. He deleted my entire first paragraph, retyped his own, and then left the sentence under that as well as the "-Michael-" at the bottom. I, the sole person under this username, am 17 years old and work at a Toyota dealership, not SET.

I would like to say a few other things about your above posts. When it comes to the "future" at Toyota and Lexus, my knowlege on Toyota products will probably be more factual, more absolute, and more dependable than many of the members here because of my dad's position within SouthEast Toyota. While certain members such as flipside909 would like to degrade SET as a company, my dad is fortunate enough to see inside concept cars and get inside knowlege more than a year or so before the public. Last September I noted that the new Avalon was going to have a 3.5L 270HP V6, and at the time, no one believed me. Now, a year later, the rumors ARE leaking out about such an engine with 270HP. The year before that, they showed the new Solara at a product meeting and I told everyone that the rear end was going to look much like the SC430, there would be a new 3.3L V6 with sequential shift, ect. It's great being an automotive enthusiast and having a family member who sees production models a year and a half before they even hit a turn table at an autoshow, but I'm not going to continue to share my knowlege with this forum when members rudely question the validity of my comments and my credibility as a person.

My knowlege of Lexus products is more limited than that of Toyotas, but still more than the average joe here at CL. The product meetings that my father attends are geared 90% towards Toyota, but they also do breifing on upcoming Lexus models. I don't think that my comments towards Longo Lexus were unapproproate, they simply went against some of the things I have heard, which is why I questioned them. My Toyota information is just as secondary as Longo's, who receives it from a manager who goes to these product meetings. It was never a matter of disrespecting Longo or the information he/she gave, just questiong and debating it which is EXACTLY what these internet forums are about. Some of the things he/she posted such as 265HP from a N/A 2.5L V6 or a 200+MPH LS coupe seem way too outrageous to be true, especially when you take common sense into account. Do you really think that the next entry level model of the IS is going to have 20 more HP than the brand new GS300? Let's also consider the fact that there are only 3 cars under $100,000 that make 100Hp/Liter, and the thought of Lexus getting more than 100HP/L in the entry level IS? Considering the first and second "opinions" of mine, I choose not to believe that. Right now the LS430 is governed at 131MPH, and Lexus fastest model, the GS430, tops out at 149HP. I have a problem believing that a LS based coupe is capable of 70MPH faster than the sedan it's based off. At this point, Lexus has been hesitant to use forced induction on any model, so that's another reason I question the original statement. It's not just my personal opinion, but considering the history of Lexus and how they usually do things, I have a problem believing a 2.5L V6 with 265HP or a 200MPH+ LS coupe.

I definitely agree about the fact that the only serious, 100% factual information we will get is from Toyota/Lexus press releases.

-Michael-

Michael,

That makes a little more sense, but I definitely don't advise continuing to have multiple people posting using the same ID, especially when establishing credentials. It's not only confusing, but it calls many items into question when conflicting details are presented - which is why I posted.

Part of the issue that caused me to write the above is your approach to posting... often a very definitive "this is the way it is going to be". Just like you said, the information you get is third hand and is open for debate and question. If you can't state the source as being a Lexus document or a vehicle sitting in a showroom, you should couch it with 'this is what I heard from my dad' or "this is what he saw" or something more vague if you need to protect the source. But it is not definitive.

We have a lot of Lexus professionals on this site, many in dealerships and several in HQ positions. They can make many of the same claims and posts, but you don't see that type of approach from them. If you choose to stop sharing your knowledge that's your choice, but I hope you don't. I've read a lot of your posts before making this request and all I'm asking for is a little more disclosure on the source if you are going to post items you have written that read as 'facts'.

Any further discussion on this we can take to PM if you like and not continue to derail the thread.

Originally posted by KVA
Like Dave mentions above, I don't feel the intention is to single out members and question their sources of info, but rather that members be more forth coming in stating that what they are saying is not factual until the actual release of info from Toyota (or you have a high-level executive contact that can validate any statements made).

You sound like a very mature 17 year-old and I commend you on your approach to resolving this issue and understanding all points. This is what makes this such a great site.

So, before anyone jumps to conclusions or makes statements of fact (but can't back it up), simply state your opinion, where you got the info, and identify it simply as speculation.

For most of us, we are going to believe someone from the Lexus side over someone from the Toyota side (at the dealer level), but if your from TMS, then what you say may be more credible. At the end of the day, it's what shows up on the showroom floor that will override what anyone states here on this forum.

So, keep the info coming...just make sure to state your disclaimer. :cool:

Exactly, well said.

Originally posted by MPLexus301
Let's also consider the fact that there are only 3 cars under $100,000 that make 100Hp/Liter, and the thought of Lexus getting more than 100HP/L in the entry level IS?
-Michael-

honda S200,ACURA RSX-S, mitshu EVO,subie WRX, Subie WRX STi, Celica XRS and so on and so on?

If the 3.5L will only work on fwd applications, then the 3.0L is for rwd/awd applications?

That is a lousy move for Lexus, if they plan on using a 3.0L 245hp V6 in the upcoming GS300 and IS300 Lexus seriously deserves to lose sales. But then again a 3.0L I6 works well for BMW....Lexus should have kept and reworked an alumminum block 3.0L I6, instead of dealing w/a 3.0L V6.

I could see the market accept that 3.0L V6 for the GS300, but dont see the engine acceptable in the IS. Anything short of a 3.2L 275hp engine won't work anymore. Even the 3.6L Caddys make more power.

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:thumbdn: :(

Originally posted by MPLexus301
Do you really think that Lexus would let their ES, a more expensive, more prestigeous car, fodder on into it's next generation with 45 less HP than the Avalon? The ES may not get all of 270HP, but I think it's realistic to expect at least 260, and I'd also expect the car to use the new 3.5L V6.

Common sense would hint that Lexus will switch to the 3.5L V6, the best 6 cylinder Toyota will offer, while Toyota will use a mix of the 3.3L and 3.5L V6 in their products.

-Michael-

I don't see the next ES350??? and Avalon walking away from the GS300 and IS300 in terms off acceleration. How does Toyota plan to control all that torque in the next Avalon anyways, something just doesn't quite add up here.
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