Recent Vehicle Trademark Filings:

Date Filed/Country - Mark(s - Owner - Notes
2004-11-19/CA A 140 DaimlerChrysler AG Mercedes B-segment MPV
2004-11-18/AU GMC General Motors Corp.

2004-11-17/US, CA, AU
2004-11-18/NZ GS350, GS460 Toyota Jidosha K.K. midsize Lexus sedan

2004-11-17/EU LEXUS GS460, LEXUS IS220d Toyota Jidosha K.K

2004-11-16/EU
2004-11-18/CZ IS220d Toyota Jidosha K.K. compact Lexus sedan

2004-11-15/US PORTOFINO DaimlerChrysler Corp.

2004-11-12/US, CA IS350 Toyota Jidosha K.K. compact Lexus sedan

2004-11-12/US, CA, AU
2004-11-15/NZ
2004-11-18/CZ IS250 Toyota Jidosha K.K. compact Lexus sedan

2004-11-11/US
2004-11-12/CA
2004-11-18/AU GRAPHYTE General Motors Corp. truck/SUV

2004-11-03/US
2004-11-04/CA, AU, NZ
2004-11-10/EU GS450h Toyota Jidosha K.K. Lexus hybrid sedan

2004-11-02/CA
2004-11-08/NZ GEELY Geely Group Co., Ltd. Chinese automaker

2004-11-01/US, CA FJ-Cruiser Toyota Jidosha K.K. SUV concept

2004-11-01/US JX470 Toyota Jidosha K.K. Sequoia-based Lexus SUV

2004-10-28/US, CA ASPEN DaimlerChrysler Corp. SUV

2004-10-27/UK FOCUS CC Ford Motor Co. Focus Coupe-Cabriolet

2004-10-26/DE CROSSPOLO, CROSSGOLF Volkswagen AG

2004-10-25/PH A P V Suzuki Motor Corp. compact van

2004-10-19/CA ZHONG HUA Shenyang Brilliance Jinbei Automobile Co., Ltd. midsize Chinese sedan

2004-10-18/AU AURIEN Toyota Motor Corporation Australia Ltd.

2004-10-12/US, CA CHRYSLER SPORTSMAN DaimlerChrysler Corp.

2004-10-06/CA MERCURY MOMENTUM,
FORD MOMENTUM Ford Motor Company

2004-10-06/US RELENTLESS Honda Giken Kogyo K.K.

2004-10-04/AU TRANSIT CONNECT Ford Motor Co. European light delivery van

2004-10-01/CA AZERA Hyundai Auto Canada

2004-09-29/AU F6 TORNADO Ford Motor Co. performance version of Falcon ute

2004-09-29/EU CITY, HONDA CITY Honda Giken Kogyo K.K. sedan version of Jazz

2004-09-28/US
2004-10-08/CA MAGELLAN Ford Motor Co.

2004-09-28/US MOMENTUM, MAJESTIC Ford Motor Co.

2004-09-28/US, CA WARRIOR, WARLOCK, VXT DaimlerChrysler Corp. pickup

2004-09-22/PH ALTERRA Isuzu Philippines Corp.

2004-09-20/EU SEAT STYLANCE SEAT, S.A.

2004-09-16/DE SPORTS ACTIVITY CONNECT Ford Motor Co.

2004-09-15/US WESTERN GRAND, WESTERN GRANDE Ford Motor Co.

2004-09-15/US, CA SIXPACK DaimlerChrysler Corp.

2004-09-15/CZ YETI, ATLAS Škoda Auto a.s. SK356 crossover

2004-09-14/AU, NZ GTSR, MALAGARA General Motors Corp.

2004-09-14/DE C 160 DaimlerChrysler AG

2004-09-08/US, CA SARATOGA DaimlerChrysler Corp. former Chrysler sedan

2004-09-06/DE
2004-09-06/WO R8, A5 Audi AG

2004-09-06/DE Q2, Q2, Q12, Q10, Q9, SQ 2, SQ 1, SQ 12, SQ 10, SQ 9 Audi AG new Audi naming system

:woohoo:

In all honesty, I believe some of them, but the rest I feel they just registered to keep the public thinking. Bascially as a decoy. For example, GS460 and JX470, and Audi with all the Q and SQ lettering.

GS450H.... wow... V8 Hybrid? Thats gonna be a serious azz-kicker!

Originally posted by magneto112
In all honesty, I believe some of them, but the rest I feel they just registered to keep the public thinking. Bascially as a decoy. For example, GS460 and JX470, and Audi with all the Q and SQ lettering.

I guess that's possible, but a while back Audi was mentioning something about changing their nomenclature anyways. I don't think I ever read anything official, but I did read that somewhere. I also suppose it's possible that they could have registered "GS460" and "JX470" just to keep the public guessing but at the same time, how many people will see this information? A few hundred across the whole internet? Why would they go to that trouble to just keep a few hundred people's interest?

-Michael-

ah very interesting, 460 engine huh? :)

Originally posted by Faraaz23
GS450H.... wow... V8 Hybrid? Thats gonna be a serious azz-kicker!

With the "450" designation, it really could either be a V8 or a V6. I'm betting it will be a V6 though, much like how we will have the RX330 and RX400h. I'm not sure, just a guess.

-Michael-

Originally posted by MPLexus301
With the "450" designation, it really could either be a V8 or a V6. I'm betting it will be a V6 though, much like how we will have the RX330 and RX400h. I'm not sure, just a guess.

-Michael-

yup i agree, in the rx400h you don't see the 400 v8 in it :) more like i would guess it's 350 engine with a hybrid :)

Originally posted by MPLexus301
I guess that's possible, but a while back Audi was mentioning something about changing their nomenclature anyways. I don't think I ever read anything official, but I did read that somewhere. I also suppose it's possible that they could have registered "GS460" and "JX470" just to keep the public guessing but at the same time, how many people will see this information? A few hundred across the whole internet? Why would they go to that trouble to just keep a few hundred people's interest?

-Michael-

Yes, you are very correct with that. Many people wouldnt see this information and others really wouldnt care. But knowing how secretive Toyota/Lexus is I believe that it is a possibility that they would do such a thing. Plus they have billions to throw away on little things like this. But when you think about it, look how fast that 2006 Avalon stuff spread around. A few drawings, one ACTUAL photo, and a complete list of features, and a heck load of stuff that most dont care about spread around the internet like wildfire.(Well thats a lot more than model designation, but there is a possiblity) From Clublexus, Caranddriver, GMinsidenews, Maxima.org, Autoweek, etc etc. And that was only a weekend.

I think we both have valid points, but Toyota only knows the answer to this for now.

Originally posted by rominl
yup i agree, in the rx400h you don't see the 400 v8 in it :) more like i would guess it's 350 engine with a hybrid :)


agree with that too. I think they will be saving the V8 hybrid for the LS class.

In my opinon this is very true of what is to come. It is the reason why they didn't make any monsterous changes comnig up soon, because they are too busy concentrating on the next wave of heavy hitters. :)

I agree with you magneto, only Toyota has the final answer. The truth of the matter is that just the thought that a 4.6L 3XXhp GS could be in the future will torment me until I get official confirmation (which could be a year or more away). :egads:

-Michael-

I stated Gs460 because it sounds pretty wierd. I dont know why it does, but anything is possible with Lexus. The JX470 sounds way off because I thought the 4.7L engine is about to be phased out in 2006-7 when the new Tundra and spin-offs are released.

I heard about the Q lettering also with Audi. But I only thought that it was suppose to be for there truck? But why should they change the lettering? A, S, and RS work fine right now. And I dont know why, but everytime I see that big Q I think of the Queen Mary ship. I dont know why, but I do.

Originally posted by MPLexus301
I agree with you magneto, only Toyota has the final answer. The truth of the matter is that just the thought that a 4.6L 3XXhp GS could be in the future will torment me until I get official confirmation (which could be a year or more away). :egads:

-Michael-

LOL, your not the only one.

Originally posted by rominl
yup i agree, in the rx400h you don't see the 400 v8 in it :) more like i would guess it's 350 engine with a hybrid :)
I agree. I still can't wait to see the numbers and test it out though. :D

Originally posted by magneto112
I stated Gs460 because it sounds pretty wierd. I dont know why it does, but anything is possible with Lexus. The JX470 sounds way off because I thought the 4.7L engine is about to be phased out in 2006-7 when the new Tundra and spin-offs are released.

If it really is "GS460", I guess that we can be expecting the new LS and SC to be packing at least that many litres under the hood :woot:. Again, just speculation but it sure is fun to think about.

I don't know about the 4.7L V8 though. They just squeezed another 40HP (Sequoia/Tundra) out of it without going for more cubes, so maybe they will be able to get another competitive figure out of 4.7 Litres with the new LX replacement? Who knows.

-Michael-

Originally posted by MPLexus301
If it really is "GS460", I guess that we can be expecting the new LS and SC to be packing at least that many litres under the hood :woot:. Again, just speculation but it sure is fun to think about.

I don't know about the 4.7L V8 though. They just squeezed another 40HP (Sequoia/Tundra) out of it without going for more cubes, so maybe they will be able to get another competitive figure out of 4.7 Litres with the new LX replacement? Who knows.

-Michael-

Yeah true. I understand where you are coming from. Considering that they got another 40hp out of the engine, I think it will be around for awhile longer. Its a clean engine, and gets some banging gas mileage. But, even with the power upgrade, it still is lacking. And they keep talking about how they are gonna get serious about hp. I can see them using this engine as a base V8 engine for the Tundra and probably enlarging this current one to about 5.5 - 5.7L or something like that.

Originally posted by magneto112
agree with that too. I think they will be saving the V8 hybrid for the LS class.

that's why the new LS might very well be my next car ;)

Originally posted by Neo
I agree. I still can't wait to see the numbers and test it out though. :D

yeah, and you know me neo. whenever the new GS come out, i am going to have some very serious test drive going ;) i get to drive them anyway i want :D

Originally posted by MPLexus301
If it really is "GS460", I guess that we can be expecting the new LS and SC to be packing at least that many litres under the hood :woot:. Again, just speculation but it sure is fun to think about.

I don't know about the 4.7L V8 though. They just squeezed another 40HP (Sequoia/Tundra) out of it without going for more cubes, so maybe they will be able to get another competitive figure out of 4.7 Litres with the new LX replacement? Who knows.

-Michael-

The 4.3 will obviously get some sort of update. But you have to wonder if they registered GS460 why they didn't do LS460 and SC460 at the same time. Last upgrade was also .3 l, maybe it does make sense. But unless fuel efficiency is starting to affect future engine plans, nearer to 500 seems to make more sense. At least we find out over time.

So we will have of 5 different trims for new GS in future:

GS300 = 245hp
GS300 AWD = 245hp
GS350 = 280hp
GS450h = 280hp(3.5l) + 40hp(Elec. motor) Probably
GS460 = This just doesn't sound right but if it comes out I guess it will host 340+ ponies

Mmmmm...domination is at hand...:cool:

I hope they build the JX in Japan. :(

I guess the next big question for the GS460, now that the Hybrid has been announced, is an AWD version? Next year's AWD is currently slated only for the GS330...the V6.

Originally posted by wantAnewLex
Mmmmm...domination is at hand...:cool:

I hope they build the JX in Japan. :(
Probably one of the new plants in TX or TN. Yeah, it will be made here but I have more confidence in Lexus than other brands.

From my understanding the 3.5 liter Lexus will have 300+hp

Yeah the 3.5L will be the 2GR-FSE dual vvt-i. That will be the powerhouse for the next IS. I heard 320. but anything is possible.

I'm really beginning to wonder what Lexus will do with the new IS. On one hand I have heard 2.5L V6 with ~215HP and an upperlevel 3.5L V6 with ~285HP. To me, this seems like the most logical way to lay things out, but with a top end "GT" V8 model on top of that. On the otherhand I have heard to expect a 2.5L V6 with ~265HP and a 3.5L V6 with ~320HP.

265HP from 2.5L seems unlikely to me, especially when they're using 3.0L to get 245HP. I don't know though, anything can happen I suppose.

-Michael-

From what we heard directly from Ralph Pisco from CL's direct Lexus Marketing contact, the next IS will have the 2.5 and the 3.5 variant. The 3.5 is supposed to have over 300 hp. That is astounding as the legendary MKIV 2JZ-GTE pumped out 320 hp w/twin turbos. Same was said from Chuck Goldsboro (Team Lexus Owner/Driver) as he briefed us at the Lexus Grand Am Champions weekend event @ CA speedway at the end of October. We will have to cross our fingers, wait and see at this point. :)

Originally posted by flipside909
From what we heard directly from Ralph Pisco from CL's direct Lexus Marketing contact, the next IS will have the 2.5 and the 3.5 variant.

Well, Flip.....I hope that the next IS uses that body style you posted a couple of weeks ago. That one was NICE:thumbup:

Originally posted by mmarshall
Well, Flip.....I hope that the next IS uses that body style you posted a couple of weeks ago. That one was NICE:thumbup:

Are you referring to the one with a tiny pic from a magazine,or there's a larger one & I' ve missed it ?

Originally posted by SexySC
Are you referring to the one with a tiny pic from a magazine,or there's a larger one & I' ve missed it ?

CAR CHAT archives..........Is the Toyota Mark X the next IS?...........posted by Flip on 11-9-04.

That is NICE car. :thumbup:

The thought of an IS with 300+hp is...awesome:D. I wonder if we'd still get a top end "GT" variant if the 3.5L will have 300+ hp.

-Michael-

OH OH OH can't wait!!! These trademark filings look so exciting!!!:p
I suppose the JX470 will NOT be a replacement to the LX, but a new LSUV placed above the LX, since it's basing on the Sequoia, which is bigger than the Land Cruiser.
I don't like the letter "J" though. It just doesn't seem to stand for anything meaningful and keeps reminding me of the horrible and now deceased Infiniti J.:(
Something like "UX" for Ultimate 4x4 would've been a much better choice IMO.

Originally posted by MPLexus301
2004-11-18/AU GMC General Motors Corp.Wait a minute!! What's this about? GM is only now filing trademark for the name "GMC"? That just doesn't make sense at all!! Really makes me question the credibility of this list now...:cylon:

BTW, here's a link to the source:
http://www.auto-report.net/index.html?tm200402.html

Originally posted by XeroK00L
OH OH OH can't wait!!! These trademark filings look so exciting!!!:p
I suppose the JX470 will NOT be a replacement to the LX, but a new LSUV placed above the LX, since it's basing on the Sequoia, which is bigger than the Land Cruiser.
I don't like the letter "J" though. It just doesn't seem to stand for anything meaningful and keeps reminding me of the horrible and now deceased Infiniti J.:(
Something like "UX" for Ultimate 4x4 would've been a much better choice IMO.

Haha, " j " may stand for " juggernaut " ;) I like the UX designation too though, file the trademark yourself & try to convince Lexus to buy it from you. ;) :D

Originally posted by SexySC
Haha, " j " may stand for " juggernaut " ;)Ahh...now it seems only fitting... :bigthumbu
I like the UX designation too though, file the trademark yourself & try to convince Lexus to buy it from you. ;) :D LOL thanks maybe I should.:D

Quick question

all the2006GS's that have been on Display are all those GS330???

[QUOTE]Originally posted by T.L.W.
Quick question

all the2006GS's that have been on Display are all those GS330??? [/QUOTE

The GS 430 was shown initally at shows.]

IS350 for me:thumbup:

Originally posted by T.L.W.
Quick question

all the2006GS's that have been on Display are all those GS330???

3.0L 3GR-FE. So the answer is no.

Originally posted by XeroK00L
Wait a minute!! What's this about? GM is only now filing trademark for the name "GMC"? That just doesn't make sense at all!! Really makes me question the credibility of this list now...:cylon:

BTW, here's a link to the source:
http://www.auto-report.net/index.html?tm200402.html

Correct me if I am wrong; I think that is for Australia - AU??

Originally posted by BrickHead
Correct me if I am wrong; I think that is for Australia - AU??
:egads:
Gotta read the fine print - most of those trademark registrations are outside of NA.

For the folks who don't get the obvious, US = US, CA = Canada, EU = western Europe, CZ = Czech Republic - they must have some funny rules there especially now that they are part of EU, AU = Australia, NZ = New Zealand, DE = Germany, etc.

The addition of the IS350 does not automatically mean the next IS will be IS350 - Lexus still has the IS300 name to use. :cool:

Originally posted by biker
:egads:
Gotta read the fine print - most of those trademark registrations are outside of NA.

For the folks who don't get the obvious, US = US, CA = Canada, EU = western Europe, CZ = Czech Republic - they must have some funny rules there especially now that they are part of EU, AU = Australia, NZ = New Zealand, DE = Germany, etc.

The addition of the IS350 does not automatically mean the next IS will be IS350 - Lexus still has the IS300 name to use. :cool:

Looking at the list, that means that they haven't registered trademarks for most of these in the US yet ... well, almost all of them. The only one they added was the IS350 for us US guys.

Originally posted by BrickHead
Correct me if I am wrong; I think that is for Australia - AU?? Ahh you're right! Totally missed that part as it is in the same column as the date.:egads: Thanks for pointing it out.

Originally posted by brendanlim
Looking at the list, that means that they haven't registered trademarks for most of these in the US yet ... well, almost all of them. The only one they added was the IS350 for us US guys. Um...I'm not sure what you mean, Brendan... For the US there are GS350, GS460, IS350, IS250, GS450h and JX470 that are registered. In fact, the only name that isn't registered in the US, quite reasonably, is the IS220d.

Originally posted by XeroK00L
Um...I'm not sure what you mean, Brendan... For the US there are GS350, GS460, IS350, IS250, GS450h and JX470 that are registered. In fact, the only name that isn't registered in the US, quite reasonably, is the IS220d.

I think the way MPLexus301 highlighted some of the texts may have caused some confusion.

Brendan, look at the link to the source Xerocool posted above. :)

So why would Lexus patent the names GS350 and GS460 to New Zealand...I don't know if all those abbreviations are correct then. I don't even think there are Lexi in New Zealand. I must not be getting something.

James

Originally posted by jet864
So why would Lexus patent the names GS350 and GS460 to New Zealand...I don't know if all those abbreviations are correct then. I don't even think there are Lexi in New Zealand. I must not be getting something.

James

Yes, Lexus is in New Zealand : LINK (http://www.lexus.co.nz/) ;)

Originally posted by biker
:egads:
Gotta read the fine print - most of those trademark registrations are outside of NA.

For the folks who don't get the obvious, US = US, CA = Canada, EU = western Europe, CZ = Czech Republic - they must have some funny rules there especially now that they are part of EU, AU = Australia, NZ = New Zealand, DE = Germany, etc.

The addition of the IS350 does not automatically mean the next IS will be IS350 - Lexus still has the IS300 name to use. :cool:

Actually CZ stands for Switzerland not Czech Republic, they are part of EU. All these TMs have been registered via Madrid Protocol process so it automaticlly applies to all the selected regions and countries that are within it (I think around 65 countries total).

And yes Lexus is coming out with the diesel IS220d. The best selling Lexus overseas will get even hotter.
I wonder how quiet it will be knowing that small displacment diesels are not refined.

What's a JX? I never heard of anything like that. Is it LF-X?

Originally posted by Vladi
What's a JX? I never heard of anything like that. Is it LF-X? As noted in the right-most column of the list, the JX will be a Sequoia-based SUV, larger than the Land Cruiser-based LX.
The JX is definitely not the LF-X since the LF-X is car-based while JX is not.

BTW, by registering the IS250 in the US it looks like Lexus is entering the sub-$30k market in the US, unless they're gonna use MB/BMW's pricing on C230K and 325i.

Not good for Lexus' image IMHO since $30k is still considered the minimum price that a luxury car should cost in the US.

Originally posted by XeroK00L
Not good for Lexus' image IMHO since $30k is still considered the minimum price that a luxury car should cost in the US.

i totally agree. i dont think lexus should go under30K.

Originally posted by XeroK00L
Not good for Lexus' image IMHO since $30k is still considered the minimum price that a luxury car should cost in the US.

I agree too, but even the 4 cylinder 200hp TSX is $27-29K MSRP. From what I've heard, the IS250 is a 6 with >200+hp, so my guess is it should be right at the $30K mark.

Originally posted by SexySC
From what I've heard, the IS250 is a 6 with >200+hp, so my guess is it should be right at the $30K mark. Not likely IMO. The base IS300 sits right at the $30k mark today.
If the new IS250 is priced at $30k people will get the sense that they're getting less for the same money.

Originally posted by XeroK00L
Not likely IMO. The base IS300 sits right at the $30k mark today.
If the new IS250 is priced at $30k people will get the sense that they're getting less for the same money.

So you think it would be priced at or below the 4 cylinder TSX then ?

BTW, my guess is the IS250 will beat or at least match the performance of the current IS300, plus equipped with more new gadgets, so it isn't so bad that it's the same price as the current IS300.

Thanks for clearing the NZ thing up for me.

Originally posted by SexySC
BTW, my guess is the IS250 will beat or at least match the performance of the current IS300, plus equipped with more new gadgets, so it isn't so bad that it's the same price as the current IS300.

I agree. If it's a 2.5L V6 (Like the 1jz was a 2.5L I6) and it's making over 200 hp it's power will be right there with the current IS and odds are it'll have more advancements standard on it. Also, the lighter weight will make it most likely handle better and be a little more fun to throw around in the corners. I think the key here though is that it has to be a 6 cylinder engine. Lexus won't get by pricing a 4 banger starting at 30, no way.

James

Originally posted by Vladi
Actually CZ stands for Switzerland not Czech Republic, they are part of EU. All these TMs have been registered via Madrid Protocol process so it automaticlly applies to all the selected regions and countries that are within it (I think around 65 countries total).

You got a few things a bit off there. CH is for Switzerland. How do I know - I live there!!! And BTW CH is not part of EU. Look at any map of EU and you'll see an island in the middle of it - that's Switzerland.

Originally posted by biker
You got a few things a bit off there. CH is for Switzerland. How do I know - I live there!!! And BTW CH is not part of EU. Look at any map of EU and you'll see an island in the middle of it - that's Switzerland.

Sorry I was referring to Czech Republic as being a part of EU. That's why I got confused and tought that Switzerland is CZ cause they are not part of the EU. Well I guess this has nothing to do with EU itself but rather the copyright law that lists all the western Europe countires under EU. Czech at the time wasn't under EU flag I guess.

Sorry for the mix up and my apologies to all the Swiss people:) I do have a lot of friends in Switzerland, they come visit me from time to time here in South Florida. I have never been in Switz before but I heard it's a cool place. I'll go one day.

Originally posted by SexySC
So you think it would be priced at or below the 4 cylinder TSX then ? Well, just keep in mind that Lexus has always been undercutting the prices of MB/BMW's offerings with engines of similar displacements. With C230K and 325i starting at $30k, I just don't see how Lexus will price the IS250 at also $30k.

To the perception of the regular people, an IS"250" is simply "less" than an IS"300" and there'll be simply no way they'll pay the same amount of money for something "less", particularly when it's right in the name.

Originally posted by XeroK00L
Well, just keep in mind that Lexus has always been undercutting the prices of MB/BMW's offerings with engines of similar displacements. With C230K and 325i starting at $30k, I just don't see how Lexus will price the IS250 at also $30k.

To the perception of the regular people, an IS"250" is simply "less" than an IS"300" and there'll be simply no way they'll pay the same amount of money for something "less", particularly when it's right in the name.

yeah i agree but at the same time i dont think lexus would go under 30 K for the IS250. it's a paradox. lexus should keep the 3.0 as a base engine and then 3.5. IS300 and Is350 would make much sense then IS250 and IS350. after all, honda accord base or toyota camry base come with 2.4 liters engine and i am quite sure that they will bump the displacement in near future. then lexus will have smaller engine than the camry? just my.02cents

Originally posted by SexySC
BTW, my guess is the IS250 will beat or at least match the performance of the current IS300, plus equipped with more new gadgets, so it isn't so bad that it's the same price as the current IS300.

but i dont think other consumers would think the same way as you do. they only know 250 is smaller than 300, so we are getting less for same amount of money? IMO

Originally posted by XeroK00L
Well, just keep in mind that Lexus has always been undercutting the prices of MB/BMW's offerings with engines of similar displacements. With C230K and 325i starting at $30k, I just don't see how Lexus will price the IS250 at also $30k.

To the perception of the regular people, an IS"250" is simply "less" than an IS"300" and there'll be simply no way they'll pay the same amount of money for something "less", particularly when it's right in the name.

Keep in mind that C230 & 325 at 30K is the base price with no options. With Benz & BMW, with options comparable to competing Lexus models & other Japanese brands it could easily add a few grand's more. That's always true across the board. e.g. A base S430 is not much more than a Loaded LS430 UL, but with options can add $20 K or even more.

Originally posted by XeroK00L
Well, just keep in mind that Lexus has always been undercutting the prices of MB/BMW's offerings with engines of similar displacements. With C230K and 325i starting at $30k, I just don't see how Lexus will price the IS250 at also $30k.

To the perception of the regular people, an IS"250" is simply "less" than an IS"300" and there'll be simply no way they'll pay the same amount of money for something "less", particularly when it's right in the name.

Not necceseraly. People do their homework before they go spending 30K on a car. They will know what they can get from those 2.5l. So I don't think an issue of "it's seem less" is a problem at all.
As a matter of fact we can be sure that 2.5l/6spd manual would be introduced at no lower than $28K flat, while 3.0l/6spd manual combo would be at just below $32 or even. For auto trannies add another $1000-$1200 on the price. The pricey one will be 3.5l/6spd auto starting probably in high 30s

IS250 will be a great seller for Lexus cause people will know that they get MORE for less. It will not affect Lexuses image at all. As a matter of fact it will blow TSX out of the market and do some severe damage to sales of upcoming 325i that will porbably start at $30+ due to crazy Euro/Dollar ratio.

You will be surprised by the popularity this car will get.

Originally posted by Vladi
Not necceseraly. People do their homework before they go spending 30K on a car. They will know what they can get from those 2.5l. So I don't think an issue of "it's seem less" is a problem at all.
As a matter of fact we can be sure that 2.5l/6spd manual would be introduced at no lower than $28K flat, while 3.0l/6spd manual combo would be at just below $32 or even. For auto trannies add another $1000-$1200 on the price. The pricey one will be 3.5l/6spd auto starting probably in high 30s

IS250 will be a great seller for Lexus cause people will know that they get MORE for less. It will not affect Lexuses image at all. As a matter of fact it will blow TSX out of the market and do some severe damage to sales of upcoming 325i that will porbably start at $30+ due to crazy Euro/Dollar ratio.

You will be surprised by the popularity this car will get.
Like the GS, when compared to the dismal current sale rate, 2K/mo will seem like a huge success. But compared to the competition, TSX , 325, A4 it will just be barely keep up at that rate.
As much as Lexus will want to raise prices it can't - none of the manufacturers can - there's just too much competiton. BMW will have a bit of pricing latitude now that it can spread the cost of the 3 series manufacturing to the 1 series.
The 06 lineup will be: TSX 27K fully loaded except NAV, IS250 good base package 28K, A4 most things will be optional 28K, E90 325 better equiped than current E46 (HID will be standard) but still lacking things in the base that others have 29K. The last three will be brand new models while the TSX will be on its third year. All of the above assumes a 6 MT.
The wining formula for the new IS will be the combination of right size with the right features. I think the current demise of many coupes and two seaters is telling manufacturers people want a 4 door sedan with a useable back seat and trunk. BMW got the message and improved in those areas with the new E90 3 series - I trust Lexus will do the same with the IS.

ES350 and LS460 now registered as well.:)
http://www.auto-report.net/index.html?tm200501.html

Infiniti's coming up with a new RX fighter, the CX25/35, it seems.

EDIT: On the second thought, Infiniti already has an RX fighter, the FX, so the CX could really be an HPX fighter. :p

ES350 and LS460 now registered as well.:)
http://www.auto-report.net/index.html?tm200501.html

Infiniti's coming up with a new RX fighter, the CX25/35, it seems.

very good news, once the new LS460 has arrived, the GS460 should be arriving soon

Do you think we will see the LS460 next January in Detroit? Any word on the LF-X-based SUV? I don't see a registration for it. :confused:

Do you think we will see the LS460 next January in Detroit? Any word on the LF-X-based SUV? I don't see a registration for it. :confused:

very possible imho. the new LS will probably come end of nex yr, and it should have the 460 engine. damn :)

Everything seems to be shaping up pretty nicely! Still wondering what a "JX 470" will be though. :uh:

Everything seems to be shaping up pretty nicely! Still wondering what a "JX 470" will be though. :uh:

2004-11-01/US JX470 Toyota Jidosha K.K. Sequoia-based Lexus SUV

So I guess they're getting rid of the Land Cruiser based LX470? Maybe get rid of the Land Cruiser too?

2004-11-01/US JX470 Toyota Jidosha K.K. Sequoia-based Lexus SUV

So I guess they're getting rid of the Land Cruiser based LX470? Maybe get rid of the Land Cruiser too?

wow, so an even bigger suv from lexus? that might be a good idea, put more margin between gx and the new jx

wow, so an even bigger suv from lexus? that might be a good idea, put more margin between gx and the new jx
Memo from GM and Ford: The days of the big SUV are over. Sales will flatten or decline and it has nothing to do with how nice they are or who sells them.

Apparently the estimate for 2K/mo sales for the new IS is way low. Lexus plans to sell 4K/mo. I still can't see who the loser in the category will be.

2004-11-01/US JX470 Toyota Jidosha K.K. Sequoia-based Lexus SUV

So I guess they're getting rid of the Land Cruiser based LX470? Maybe get rid of the Land Cruiser too?



trust me, they will NEVER EVER get rid of landcruise,imo. Landcruise has been like toyota's halo car for over 50 years now. why would they want to do such thing. Landcruisers are so strong and so awesome.

Good to see the LS460, but still no news of the V8 hybrid on the next LS that Liz had talked about . . . :cry:

2004-11-01/US JX470 Toyota Jidosha K.K. Sequoia-based Lexus SUV

So I guess they're getting rid of the Land Cruiser based LX470? Maybe get rid of the Land Cruiser too?

It will be interesting to see if the LX sticks around after this vehicle comes out because if it's Sequoia based, it should be bigger and more powerful, and I don't think there's room in the Lexus lineup for an $80,000 bohemoth SUV, especially with SUV sales in general flatlining.

If they plan on dropping a Land Cruiser-based Lexus SUV, would it not make more sense to just switch the platform and keep the "LX" name? It's a trusted and respected monkier and they'd have no reason to do away with it.

Also, there has been talk about the 4.7L V8 staying as the base engine for the next Sequoia and Tundra with an upper level, optional 5.4L V8. I would think that the Lexus would get the upper engine...not the 4.7L.

Lots of speculation thats all useless at this point...

Recent Vehicle Trademark Filings:

Date Filed/Country - Mark(s - Owner - Notes
2004-11-19/CA A 140 DaimlerChrysler AG Mercedes B-segment MPV
2004-11-18/AU GMC General Motors Corp.

2004-11-17/US, CA, AU
2004-11-18/NZ GS350, GS460 Toyota Jidosha K.K. midsize Lexus sedan

2004-11-17/EU LEXUS GS460, LEXUS IS220d Toyota Jidosha K.K

2004-11-16/EU
2004-11-18/CZ IS220d Toyota Jidosha K.K. compact Lexus sedan

2004-11-15/US PORTOFINO DaimlerChrysler Corp.

2004-11-12/US, CA IS350 Toyota Jidosha K.K. compact Lexus sedan

2004-11-12/US, CA, AU
2004-11-15/NZ
2004-11-18/CZ IS250 Toyota Jidosha K.K. compact Lexus sedan

2004-11-11/US
2004-11-12/CA
2004-11-18/AU GRAPHYTE General Motors Corp. truck/SUV

2004-11-03/US
2004-11-04/CA, AU, NZ
2004-11-10/EU GS450h Toyota Jidosha K.K. Lexus hybrid sedan

2004-11-02/CA
2004-11-08/NZ GEELY Geely Group Co., Ltd. Chinese automaker

2004-11-01/US, CA FJ-Cruiser Toyota Jidosha K.K. SUV concept

2004-11-01/US JX470 Toyota Jidosha K.K. Sequoia-based Lexus SUV

2004-10-28/US, CA ASPEN DaimlerChrysler Corp. SUV

2004-10-27/UK FOCUS CC Ford Motor Co. Focus Coupe-Cabriolet

2004-10-26/DE CROSSPOLO, CROSSGOLF Volkswagen AG

2004-10-25/PH A P V Suzuki Motor Corp. compact van

2004-10-19/CA ZHONG HUA Shenyang Brilliance Jinbei Automobile Co., Ltd. midsize Chinese sedan

2004-10-18/AU AURIEN Toyota Motor Corporation Australia Ltd.

2004-10-12/US, CA CHRYSLER SPORTSMAN DaimlerChrysler Corp.

2004-10-06/CA MERCURY MOMENTUM,
FORD MOMENTUM Ford Motor Company

2004-10-06/US RELENTLESS Honda Giken Kogyo K.K.

2004-10-04/AU TRANSIT CONNECT Ford Motor Co. European light delivery van

2004-10-01/CA AZERA Hyundai Auto Canada

2004-09-29/AU F6 TORNADO Ford Motor Co. performance version of Falcon ute

2004-09-29/EU CITY, HONDA CITY Honda Giken Kogyo K.K. sedan version of Jazz

2004-09-28/US
2004-10-08/CA MAGELLAN Ford Motor Co.

2004-09-28/US MOMENTUM, MAJESTIC Ford Motor Co.

2004-09-28/US, CA WARRIOR, WARLOCK, VXT DaimlerChrysler Corp. pickup

2004-09-22/PH ALTERRA Isuzu Philippines Corp.

2004-09-20/EU SEAT STYLANCE SEAT, S.A.

2004-09-16/DE SPORTS ACTIVITY CONNECT Ford Motor Co.

2004-09-15/US WESTERN GRAND, WESTERN GRANDE Ford Motor Co.

2004-09-15/US, CA SIXPACK DaimlerChrysler Corp.

2004-09-15/CZ YETI, ATLAS Škoda Auto a.s. SK356 crossover

2004-09-14/AU, NZ GTSR, MALAGARA General Motors Corp.

2004-09-14/DE C 160 DaimlerChrysler AG

2004-09-08/US, CA SARATOGA DaimlerChrysler Corp. former Chrysler sedan

2004-09-06/DE
2004-09-06/WO R8, A5 Audi AG

2004-09-06/DE Q2, Q2, Q12, Q10, Q9, SQ 2, SQ 1, SQ 12, SQ 10, SQ 9 Audi AG new Audi naming system

What website(s) do you get this information from exactly? :cool:

What website(s) do you get this information from exactly? :cool:
THIS ONE (http://www.auto-report.net/) :)

THIS ONE (http://www.auto-report.net/) :)

Thanks Amethy! :thumbup: