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24 May 2005 by: Liz Scarff


Queens, New York: The buffed-up candy orange convertible pulls up alongside a grubby green family station wagon. As the car comes to a standstill so do the spinning engraved chrome and 24-carat gold wheel rims. The bass is booming from the gold amp in the boot and the sun ricochets off the engraved chrome and gold air tanks. Such ostentatious bling on the block has passers-by scrambling for their camera phones. "What is it?" one guy drawls. At the flick of a switch the car hisses loudly and its body judders downwards.

'Hooked-up' rides, as they're known, are big in this neighbourhood. "Everybody has a Honda, so you gotta take it to another level," explains Gopie Ramsook, the car's owner. "How much of the original Honda is actually left?" Gopie pauses, his eyes drift upwards for a moment, "Um... the dash," he laughs. "Those rims cost $5,800 - they're the only ones in the United States."


Gopie Ramsook has spent over $100,000 on his Honda Accord
Ramsook is a member of 'Low Mentality', a lowrider car club based in Queens, New York. Club members chop, weld, upholster, chrome and gild their cars until they're the ultimate in excess. His car started life as a $2500 four-door 1994 Honda Accord. Over one hundred thousand dollars worth of customisations later, it's a two-door convertible with scissor doors, a DVD player, opulent upholstered interior and a Lexus front-end. Old school hydraulics have been passed over in favour of an pneumatic set-up with three chrome and gold engraved air tanks visibly mounted behind the rear seats. Gopie is a man that likes to engrave everything - that includes his gold-plated gear lever.

"It's like crack," observes another club member, "once you start you want more and more." And like crack, it's an expensive habit: most of these cars are pushing the $100,000 mark.

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i think i would have invested my money into crack instead of this POS... lol, once a honda, allways a honda... honda drivers are allways trying to hide the identidy, of there car... whats wrong with a honda? :uh:

i'm also loving the fake sparco seats.... haha :thumbdn:

"It's like [he's on] crack,"

..........

Wow. That's a lot of man hours into that car.

It's definitely...........different........ :uh: Talk about real life "Pimp My Ride".

.........

what else do you want me to say.....

AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA .............. breath................... HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHA

looks not bad, but at least upgrade the engine or something.

I give him props for the effort, two thumbs up for the SC430 front and SL rear, one thumb down onthe tackiness.

Holy crap. What a waste of $100k. It's his money, I guess. :dunno:

Guys with cars like this....especially in New York....usually have girls working for them.......girls with names like Candy, Bubbles, Peaches, Snowflake, etc......

I won't say what I'm thinking :egads:

100k on a 1994 Accord.

He might as well have wiped his butt with that cash. Or heres an idea... Purchase a sc430 with that money!!! :uh:

Guys with cars like this....especially in New York....usually have girls working for them.......girls with names like Candy, Bubbles, Peaches, Snowflake, etc......

If that guy's in the business of being hard w/ women (no pun intended) then that's just sick; Iced-T should clock him in the mouth for disgracing the profession.

A one-hundred thousand dollar honda accord is beyond my understanding, as is how he acquired that much disposable income.

Almost everyone on this forum (including you, MM) has a nicer car.

M.

I won't say what I'm thinking :egads:

Well, allow me to say what I'm thinking about your new GS ... SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Very well done man.

M.

100k on a 1994 Accord.

He might as well have wiped his butt with that cash. Or heres an idea... Purchase a sc430 with that money!!! :uh:

but it doesn't have VTEC!

OMG, as soon as I saw that 94 Accord Honda dash i was like...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! :eek2:

Seriously....all jokes aside...wonder how he got it past the NY state inspection without a steering-wheel airbag. Guess it depends on what year and model the car is registered as.

HAHAHAHAH! :egads:

Guys with cars like this....especially in New York....usually have girls working for them.......girls with names like Candy, Bubbles, Peaches, Snowflake, etc......

You crack me up mmarshall :D
Except for Bubbles, only MJ favorite chimp came to mind (need a bigger smiley face than above)

This is some nice effort though :confused:
But wouldn't it be better to get a REAL sc430 and add on the SL rear?

"LOW MENTALITY"=??????????

But...but...guys, it's got gold, spinners, painted plastic to match the body, modified front AND rear to look like a car it isn't, Louis Vuitton interior (?), and costs more than his house/apartment/homeless shelter!

Who's gonna be the first to defend this guy and his monstrosity? Wait...I don't think homey has a roof period. Not drop top or hard top, but NO roof...that tarp he's parking under better be 3 ply.

James

i think i would have invested my money into crack instead of this POS... lol, once a honda, allways a honda... honda drivers are allways trying to hide the identidy, of there car... whats wrong with a honda? :uh:

People like you. Maybe if y'all stop hatin on Honda, dude wouldn't have to spend 100K to hide his accord just so he can have some peace. But even after 100K, you still got to find something to knock on the guy. You're right, maybe some crack might do you good.

This threads guaranteed to get shutdown soon.

OMG, as soon as I saw that 94 Accord Honda dash i was like...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! :eek2:

off the record, props for the engrave. now, for the topic related content, the automatic shift column was also hard to miss.

OMG, as soon as I saw that 94 Accord Honda dash i was like...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! :eek2:

mand at least you could tell it's an accord. i saw the first and second pics and i already started to faint...

i don't even have words for that... :egads:

He might as well have wiped his butt with that cash.Probably a better way to use that $100k indeed.:D

Honda/Acura will forver be in the shadow of crap like this.....Sad....

Now he clearly likes his car but its not a Honda! Its a hybrid thingie. And he will win most shows since they care more about flash and quantity than quality.

Well its original.

I'll never forget the time I was in my GS and I pulled up next to a damn ACcord with a GS front end. The guy couldn't look me in the eye.

Let me take a deep breath.... :thumbdn:

Man oh man i'm going to have to find this guy he's from Queens just like me... :egads: , disgusting... :thumbdn:

I was going to ask what the hell was this guy smoking when he came up with the idea to spend $100,000 on his accord, but then I saw this pic and it was clear that this was the result of a 4 day crack bindge with a little crystal to chill him out at the end. :egads:

http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/features/2005/bling-on-the-block/03-large/gopie-gofi.jpg

"It's like crack," observes another club member, "once you start you want more and more." And like crack, it's an expensive habit: most of these cars are pushing the $100,000 mark.

The Club Member went on to say: "and once you mix crack and cars you end up with a big orange abortion like Gopie has."

People like you. Maybe if y'all stop hatin on Honda, dude wouldn't have to spend 100K to hide his accord just so he can have some peace. But even after 100K, you still got to find something to knock on the guy. You're right, maybe some crack might do you good.

This threads guaranteed to get shutdown soon.


don't even start

you guys are all hating.:D Look at him in the picture. seems like he's enjoying this ride. i bet he get more attention driving his 94 honda than driving a stock brandnew SL500. lol

serisouly, what was he thinking?

some of Gopie's crew: Low Mentality - appropriately named.

It took Ansar, the owner of this Toyota 4Runner, two days just to lay the grey marble tiled floor.

http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/features/2005/bling-on-the-block/03-large/cardoors.jpg

Louis Vuitton and Gucci lay claim to the $80,000 Toyota's cabi

http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/features/2005/bling-on-the-block/03-large/carreflection.jpg

The Low Mentality car club doesn't know the meaning of the word subtle.

http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/features/2005/bling-on-the-block/03-large/andyandgofi2.jpg

I'd think of something snappy to say, but why bother. :thumbdn:

I am not trying to talk ****, but that **** is mad disgusting, and he spent over 100K in that? This guy lost his damn mind....hahahahahah..........LMAO....wtf..is that.............for 100K i would just get a GT3 or a Viper...but that....Lord Have Mercy....

- Nizhu

http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/features/2005/bling-on-the-block/03-large/andyandgofi2.jpg



That's a Cadillac steering wheel and dash from the early-mid 60's. My dad had a used '62.

http://www.channel4.com/4car/gallery/gallery/2005/bling-on-the-block/pimped-rides.html

4Runner w/GS front end.

Does he realize what kind of car he could have had for $100k? What a waste of money. The car club name is quite fitting. Tile floor in a 4runner? :uh:

he needs to take some of that money and invest in a decent haircut....YEESH!!! :p

don't even start

Tell that to the guy who started this thread or the guy/gal I quoted or all the haters, then your words will have some credibility. Double standard never have positive results.

People like you. Maybe if y'all stop hatin on Honda, dude wouldn't have to spend 100K to hide his accord just so he can have some peace. But even after 100K, you still got to find something to knock on the guy. You're right, maybe some crack might do you good.

This threads guaranteed to get shutdown soon.

i don't know about others but for sure i don't have anything about the accord. if anything, i feel bad about the poor accord being ruined completely.

maybe you can take a break

I give this guy credit for all this work he did to that Accord!?! But I would've spent the $ on a brand new SC, GS or NSX... :uh:

I give the guy nothing but credit and I hope he is enjoying himself. I can't say anything else because I don't have an extra $100,000 laying around to spend as I please like this guy..

By the way, how do you guys know he doesn't have a Ferrari and Mercedes parked in his garage at home? If he can spend $100,000 on a 94 Accord, I don't think he worries about money too much. I don't know if he earns it legally or not, but one thing I learned is never assume anything.

:eek2: OMG////

I didn't even know what type of car it was.... Thought it might be some modified sc430 for moment...

The work and $ that went into that thing are incrdible but an accord???
Should of bought an sc300 and went to town with 100k....lol

Then again, he might make Lexus look bad :cry:

It should'nt even count as a Honda if he made the front look like a lexus and the rear like a mercedes. Phhhfff :rolleyes:

I'm shocked he had the "mentality" or mental ability to even earn $100K!

I'm convinced he must have stolen the $$.

$20,000 would have been way too much for that ****! :thumbdn: :thumbdn: :thumbdn: :thumbdn:

Tell that to the guy who started this thread or the guy/gal I quoted or all the haters, then your words will have some credibility. Double standard never have positive results.
Actually, your the only one defending this guy, everyone else agrees its just a poor decision, even if he likes the car.

So this thread won't be closed, if anything, any infammatory comments will be deleted :)

This is the INTERNET, people will find pics of cars and post if they hate or love it.

i don't know about others but for sure i don't have anything about the accord. if anything, i feel bad about the poor accord being ruined completely.

maybe you can take a break

I agree rominl. NOBODY is hating Hondas here. I have a Honda in the family. We have all owned Hondas now or before, besides what is hating a car anyway? The only time when we hate a car is when it gives us too much trouble, time, and $$$ to repair, that's all. I don't know how his got out of context anyway :uh:
He' s in the car show biz, so he has to do something over-the-top. But on a more practical basis, there are lots of better cars you can buy with that kind of $ and still have the "quality".
Again, if I had $100,000 to blow for a monstrosity, I would get an SC430 and chop the SL's rear---> better quality. :woohoo:

Let's keep this thread or any thread open, tired of seeing threads get closed down b/c of an inappropriate comment. :mad:

i have seen this car and the 4 runner in person, they also have a 98 Accord sedan with Lexus / MB front/ rear.

As far as that 100k goes, its more like 100k WORTH of parts at MSRP, when we all know alot of that stuff is picked up used or traded or sponsored yadda yadda. Trust me no sane person sits down and spends that kind of money on.

As far as the Honda flaming, I think 1SICK said it best, for every guy a nice, clean modded Accord sedan, there are 100-200 fools with primer CRX's with cut springs and TV's. Most ClubLexus members are "car" fans, not "brand" fans, so we can appreciate anything.

Now on another note, here is a nicer way to go crazy on a Honda Accord Coupe, same priciple, just MUCH better execution

http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/500/medium/13543IMPORT_GT_ACCORD.jpg

i don't know about others but for sure i don't have anything about the accord. if anything, i feel bad about the poor accord being ruined completely.

maybe you can take a break

How is the accord ruin? It's got 100K worth of mods, it's now worth more than it ever did when it was new. If you jack that car and sold off the individual parts at a loss, you'd still walk away with alot of money....enough for you to take a very long break.

How is the accord ruin? It's got 100K worth of mods, it's now worth more than it ever did when it was new. If you jack that car and sold off the individual parts at a loss, you'd still walk away with alot of money....enough for you to take a very long break.
Dude, think about it. Its an Accord. A Honda. It has a Lexus front end and a Merceds Benz rear. While this is common to find on modded Hondas, where they take other car parts and mod their cars, you will notice this is RARE with other brands.

Of course he is exaggerating about the mods. As D-2 stated, he's talking MSRP. Hell he might have included the price of a new SC 430 and a new SL in the price of his mods. Thats over 100k easy :D

Do you think if he sold it on e-bay, he'd get 100k or anything close? No way. He would be lucky to get $15,000 for his car.

man....with $100000....couldnt you buy an sc430 and uh...i dont know....supra?

Actually, your the only one defending this guy, everyone else agrees its just a poor decision, even if he likes the car.

So this thread won't be closed, if anything, any infammatory comments will be deleted :)

This is the INTERNET, people will find pics of cars and post if they hate or love it.

No offense, but I think you're missing the point. What I meant is it'll likely get shutdown due to my views being seen as someone rocking the boat no matter how right I maybe. As you can see, misunderstanding and disagreement has already started, one member has already told me to take a break. Like you said, everyone else agrees that hacking on this guys style is OK. Peace throughout CL land is the prefer route so closing thread helps prevent the outbreak of potentially inflamatory posts. That's how topics like this has been delt with in the past cuz people who like to criticize others don't handle criticism too well, it's a well known fact, it's the very reasons there's so much flaming and senseless arguement all over internet forums. But now you're saying thread won't be close cuz it favors the majority. I'm just not sure if moderator agrees with it. If they do, it could be interesting and even fun. So bring some popcorns.

How is the accord ruin? It's got 100K worth of mods, it's now worth more than it ever did when it was new. If you jack that car and sold off the individual parts at a loss, you'd still walk away with alot of money....enough for you to take a very long break.

power to you man, i don't think our discussions will go anywhere anyway. basically i get a crap junk from junk yard and put 100k to it and i have a loving machine. you are right man.

spend another 100k and put on the lambo shell on your car, i am sure people will praise you.

and some of us talk about don't get mb style grille on our cars....

wait wait wait...am i missing the point here..........he spent $100k on this POS!!! :eek2:


the guy definatley has guts for doing this to an accord .....and also this $100K i agree with D2 that there is NOWAY he spent that money on this car, This has to be one of the most tackiest/nastiest and ridiculously over the top thing i have ever seen. :thumbdn: :thumbdn:

But...but...guys, it's got gold, spinners, painted plastic to match the body, modified front AND rear to look like a car it isn't, Louis Vuitton interior (?), and costs more than his house/apartment/homeless shelter!

Who's gonna be the first to defend this guy and his monstrosity? Wait...I don't think homey has a roof period. Not drop top or hard top, but NO roof...that tarp he's parking under better be 3 ply.

James

HHAHAHAHA!!!!! :D :thumbup:

Sorry - I know this thread is almost dead and I don't mean to reignite the flame - but James ... I'm rolling here.

I don't think he has a roof either - and that's why this is so rediculous. Not only is it an incredible waste - it's totally useless. Its excess shoots far beyond novelty or creativity - and hits stupidity square in the teeth.

M.

Celicamaro, I have to ask bro. Why do you feel the need to be the defender of "extreme" modded cars? When images are posted on the net, it will get around. There will be opinions on the images and people will voice them.

In reading through the thread, there are people with stronger opinions and they voice them that way. Most seem to think there are better ways to spend "$100k". These are their opinions. There is nothing wrong with the opinions coincidentally mostly agree. If you feel different, feel free to post your opinion on how you like the car. If you don't, you are free to say that too and leave it at that. You also have the choice of not posting your opinion.

The problem I see with a number of these threads that end up getting closed (and that you have been involved in) is that you don't really exercise your right to voice (or not) your opinion on the thread subject matter. Instead, you come into the thread feeling like you need to defend the so-called object of ridicule and end up turning it into a discussion of picking on people. For one, this gets people incensed as now you are addressing people (individual or collective) vs the matter at hand. None of them addressed you but end up having you pointing fingers at them. Also, this takes the thread really off topic. This escalation and thread tangent are usually the reasons the threads get closed.

I am only asking because I see a pattern and I am curious to why. I am sure others who read the forum may have noticed this too. As you noticed, the last few posts by mods (including mine) have taken the thread off topic because we had to pause and address your comments.

This is my only thread tangent on the matter. Feel free to respond here but if I have followups, I will talk to you in PMs as I don't want to throw this thread too far off.

Peace.

Do you think if he sold it on e-bay, he'd get 100k or anything close? No way. He would be lucky to get $15,000 for his car.

I don't know what he'll get on e-bay, since this is his pride and joy, and if he's won awards with it, most likely he wouldn't sell it. Odds are very good that if someone who can have access to 100K just for mods, they're smart enough to know that anything short of a Ferrari is going to depreciate including all the mods. This dude sounds like he's been around the block and knows the game. For him to spend that much money, he's hardcore. If he does decide to sell it, I guarantee you and your homeys here wouldn't be anywhere near his scope and will never hear about the sale unless you went out of your way to track his every move. And if some of y'all are that hardcore, that particular persons got issues and I recommend seeking help.

E-bay is full of cheapskates, no one goes to e-bay to pay full price. So by picking it, the only conclusion I can come to is that your intent is to further devalue his ride because you don't like his style. Perhaps I'm wrong?


Of course he is exaggerating about the mods. As D-2 stated, he's talking MSRP. Hell he might have included the price of a new SC 430 and a new SL in the price of his mods. Thats over 100k easy :D


D-2 may have a good point, but it's still just a guess, no one knows for sure if the owner is exaggerating. If D-2s guess is good enough for you, then I guess it's good enough for you. Personally I applaud this dude for not wasting his money on a sc430 or SL, it would've been even more expensive to mod these two cars and he'll never have a chance of winning or even standing out at the shows.

Dude, think about it. Its an Accord. A Honda. It has a Lexus front end and a Merceds Benz rear. While this is common to find on modded Hondas, where they take other car parts and mod their cars, you will notice this is RARE with other brands.


What do I need to think about? You've just said it, it's a Honda enthusiast thing. That's why it's rare with other brands. Are you trying to convince me to hate on those enthusiasts because they don't spend their money or style their vehicles the way y'all do?

I don't know what he'll get on e-bay, since this is his pride and joy, and if he's won awards with it, most likely he wouldn't sell it. Odds are very good that if someone who can have access to 100K just for mods, they're smart enough to know that anything short of a Ferrari is going to depreciate including all the mods. This dude sounds like he's been around the block and knows the game. For him to spend that much money, he's hardcore. If he does decide to sell it, I guarantee you and your homeys here wouldn't be anywhere near his scope and will never hear about the sale unless you went out of your way to track his every move. And if some of y'all are that hardcore, that particular persons got issues and I recommend seeking help.

E-bay is full of cheapskates, no one goes to e-bay to pay full price. So by picking it, the only conclusion I can come to is that your intent is to further devalue his ride because you don't like his style. Perhaps I'm wrong?



D-2 may have a good point, but it's still just a guess, no one knows for sure if the owner is exaggerating. If D-2s guess is good enough for you, then I guess it's good enough for you. Personally I applaud this dude for not wasting his money on a sc430 or SL, it would've been even more expensive to mod these two cars and he'll never have a chance of winning or even standing out at the shows.



What do I need to think about? You've just said it, it's a Honda enthusiast thing. That's why it's rare with other brands. Are you trying to convince me to hate on those enthusiasts because they don't spend their money or style their vehicles the way y'all do?


bc he has access to 100k, it means he must be smart??? i wish i lived in your world, id have millions... most likely he wouldnt sell it??? people sell cars all the time, and at one point, it will either be wrecked or sold. in the real world, he would be building up another car to same style, then sell this one. and compete with his newer updated "cooler" car. ebay is not a place to sell cheap cars, it is a place to get your car noticed by those who are selling their cars.

there are plenty of stock cars, or slightly modified cars that are just on ebay bc it's cheap, and it gets your car noticed. even if no one bids, you get offers after the auction ends. so saying ebay is for cheap cars is a poor generalization. then you go to say he was devauluating his car more by saying it wouldnt be sold for high on ebay... he was not devaulating the car, GOPIE is

you do know that mods dont mean crap for resale right? the only reason this car would get more than a stock honda is bc of the extent of the mods. besides the fact that most wouldnt want this car(not bc they hate it, but because they want to customize it themselves) does not mean his car sucks. the car is only worth what people would pay for it... now look around this forum. people buy cars not for how they look only, but how they perform. and im willing to bet money that these cars in low mentality... are all very slightly modified, if not stock. and their suspension is pneumatic suspension, so it's not going to handle well. so now you have a poor handling, slow car, that looks funny. so even if someone likes how it looks, they wont buy it bc a, they want to customize one themselves, or b, they would get no use from it.

it's only valuable to him, and that 100k is ENTIRELY jacked up. have you ever priced parts of a car? they arent more than 10k for that SC430 front and SL rear. so there's 20k alone, if they both cost 10k a piece. suspension, and 5k wheels, and all the tvs he wants, wont push that car to 100k. it is very hard to put 100k worth of mods on a car. that 100k price tag probably includes msrp prices, EXTENSIVE LABOR prices, and few parts prices, then the extra price tag bc he didnt source the cheapest parts possible.

seriously, as rominl said, unless we are making fun of him to his face, why do you feel the need to be defender of the internet? same with the honda guy and his bmw badges. you had extensive stories about how the fat bastard was making fun of him and tricked him into posing for the pics so he could slam him on the internet...

im glad you feel the need to help people, but guess what, you saying what you do here, isn't helping him at all. he will never know that you said "guys, stop it" or that we are even talking about him. you are not helping HIM at all, you are helping yourself bc this makes you feel good to be defender of crap cars

no one was saying, hey celicamaro, come in here and defend him, and no one asked you to. so for you to point fingers at others and say, "hey you, get your hands off of her"</mcfly> is just useless

end rant...

btw, that car is disgusting. good job on the work, but just slapping everything on your car your money can buy doesn't show any intelligence at all. let me go ad a ferrari enzo nose to the front of my car just bc i have the money

Celicamaro, I have to ask bro. Why do you feel the need to be the defender of "extreme" modded cars? When images are posted on the net, it will get around. There will be opinions on the images and people will voice them.



I think it's the same feeling those who feel compel to knock on others taste get. Strange as it may seem and some will find it hard to believe, but I'm not defending those "extreme"modded cars. I'm defending the owners right to do what they want to their rides cuz it's their money, especially when it's a showcar design to win awards. I don't have problems with opinions. It is the mean spirited and offbase insults that I find disturbing and feel the need to jump in. The owners of these "extreme" vehicles are unfairly being ridiculed all over the net and doesn't even know it, good natured jabs are fine with me(cuz everyone does goofy things sometimes), but many comments are just plain rude and uncall for. For example: The last "ricer" thread here contains a link to a video of this dude having a blast drifting his Honda Civic. He's being called a Ricer for driving a FWD really well, that Civic doesn't even have a big wing, tons of stickers, or an annoying coffee can exhaust. So if I was to call the thread starter a dumbazz(which I didn't), he'd and others be offended, yet he has no problem branding someone else a ricer.

My intent is to let the abusers know that some people find their posts to be offensive and disrespectful. Hopefully they'll be more sensitive the next time, that's all I'm asking. When people go out of their ways to find images or video clips of peoples pride and joy for the sole purpose of cheap entetainment. That's low and unnesesary, it's like mainstream media calling Michael Jackson "Wacko Jacko" instead of just Michael Jackson. The man hasn't done anything to them to be called that. Whats up with the insults? Just because everyone agree it's OK to knock on those guy, it's still not right.

I didn't start the fire, I'm only dumping it back., and if my tactic seem abrasive, maybe people will know that's how others feel when they dish out their unthoughtful opinions. I'm seen as more of the bad guy simply cuz my view is in the minority. It doesn't bother me since I know It's all a numbers game with internet forums. If there were more members who share my views, this wouldn't even be an issue and someone else will be on the defensive. But no matter who outnumbers who, as a perceptive moderator, I hope you can see that I'm actually promoting peace.



In reading through the thread, there are people with stronger opinions and they voice them that way. Most seem to think there are better ways to spend "$100k". These are their opinions. There is nothing wrong with the opinions coincidentally mostly agree. If you feel different, feel free to post your opinion on how you like the car. If you don't, you are free to say that too and leave it at that. You also have the choice of not posting your opinion.


The problem I see with a number of these threads that end up getting closed (and that you have been involved in) is that you don't really exercise your right to voice (or not) your opinion on the thread subject matter. Instead, you come into the thread feeling like you need to defend the so-called object of ridicule and end up turning it into a discussion of picking on people. For one, this gets people incensed as now you are addressing people (individual or collective) vs the matter at hand. None of them addressed you but end up having you pointing fingers at them. Also, this takes the thread really off topic. This escalation and thread tangent are usually the reasons the threads get closed.

Peace.

Very good analysis, I understand what you're saying and agree.. But on these kinds of threads it's different and what you've pointed out cannot be applied effectively, so I gotta ask, is it wrong to defend especially when the very nature of the thread already puts me in that position? I know I can always choose to ignore them, but these threads already addresss people from the start(exactly what you've said I've been engaging in), that's why there is no need for me to comment on the thread subject since most of the comments I find to be negative are directed at the "extremely" modded vehicles owner. The way I see it ...when you pick on a mans pride and joy, you are essentially picking on him. He and those who share his views are force to have to defend, it's human nature and the right thing to do. Perhaps if others were more considerate.


I am only asking because I see a pattern and I am curious to why. I am sure others who read the forum may have noticed this too. As you noticed, the last few posts by mods (including mine) have taken the thread off topic because we had to pause and address your comments.

This is my only thread tangent on the matter. Feel free to respond here but if I have followups, I will talk to you in PMs as I don't want to throw this thread too far off.

Peace.


Thanks for inquiring and giving me the chance to clarify my stance. I think the pattern you're seeing is cuz I'm annoyed and no longer have the patience since these cheapshots have been going on too long. So I go straight to the guilty individual and deal with it directly, unfortunately that also attracts others who don't fully or (don't care) to understand the situation into the mix and then everything goes off tangent. I'll try a different approach and incorporate more of the points you've mentioned above. But I can't guarantee it'll be less abrasive to certain views.

bc he has access to 100k, it means he must be smart??? i wish i lived in your world, id have millions... most likely he wouldnt sell it??? people sell cars all the time, and at one point, it will either be wrecked or sold. in the real world, he would be building up another car to same style, then sell this one. and compete with his newer updated "cooler" car. ebay is not a place to sell cheap cars, it is a place to get your car noticed by those who are selling their cars.

there are plenty of stock cars, or slightly modified cars that are just on ebay bc it's cheap, and it gets your car noticed. even if no one bids, you get offers after the auction ends. so saying ebay is for cheap cars is a poor generalization. then you go to say he was devauluating his car more by saying it wouldnt be sold for high on ebay... he was not devaulating the car, GOPIE is

you do know that mods dont mean crap for resale right? the only reason this car would get more than a stock honda is bc of the extent of the mods. besides the fact that most wouldnt want this car(not bc they hate it, but because they want to customize it themselves) does not mean his car sucks. the car is only worth what people would pay for it... now look around this forum. people buy cars not for how they look only, but how they perform. and im willing to bet money that these cars in low mentality... are all very slightly modified, if not stock. and their suspension is pneumatic suspension, so it's not going to handle well. so now you have a poor handling, slow car, that looks funny. so even if someone likes how it looks, they wont buy it bc a, they want to customize one themselves, or b, they would get no use from it.

it's only valuable to him, and that 100k is ENTIRELY jacked up. have you ever priced parts of a car? they arent more than 10k for that SC430 front and SL rear. so there's 20k alone, if they both cost 10k a piece. suspension, and 5k wheels, and all the tvs he wants, wont push that car to 100k. it is very hard to put 100k worth of mods on a car. that 100k price tag probably includes msrp prices, EXTENSIVE LABOR prices, and few parts prices, then the extra price tag bc he didnt source the cheapest parts possible.

seriously, as rominl said, unless we are making fun of him to his face, why do you feel the need to be defender of the internet? same with the honda guy and his bmw badges. you had extensive stories about how the fat bastard was making fun of him and tricked him into posing for the pics so he could slam him on the internet...

im glad you feel the need to help people, but guess what, you saying what you do here, isn't helping him at all. he will never know that you said "guys, stop it" or that we are even talking about him. you are not helping HIM at all, you are helping yourself bc this makes you feel good to be defender of crap cars

no one was saying, hey celicamaro, come in here and defend him, and no one asked you to. so for you to point fingers at others and say, "hey you, get your hands of her"</mcfly> is just useless

end rant...

btw, that car is disgusting. good job on the work, but just slapping everything on your car your money can buy doesn't show any intelligence at all. let me go ad a ferrari enzo nose to the front of my car just bc i have the money

I'm speechless.... :eek2:

you spent how much??????????on that????????

I'm speechless.... :eek2:

finally:woot:

Finally, the aliens have landed................. :woohoo:

for all i care, i don't think anyone is stopping this guy from modding his car, so what's the problem? why do you have to defend him? he still has all the freedom to mod his car the way he wants. but that does NOT, and i repeat does NOT, stop anyone from laughing at him for what he's doing, period

for all i care, i don't think anyone is stopping this guy from modding his car, so what's the problem? why do you have to defend him? he still has all the freedom to mod his car the way he wants. but that does NOT, and i repeat does NOT, stop anyone from laughing at him for what he's doing, period



ditto



check out the plain old honda gearbox !!
:rolleyes:

for all i care, i don't think anyone is stopping this guy from modding his car, so what's the problem? why do you have to defend him? he still has all the freedom to mod his car the way he wants. but that does NOT, and i repeat does NOT, stop anyone from laughing at him for what he's doing, period

Well I've already stated why I defend him and other enthusiasts who don't share your tastes in vehicle stylin, now it's time for you to tell everyone "why you have a problem" with me defending him . But if you don't feel you have a problem and only I seem to be the one with problem with y'all tearin this guy up. I don't know what else to say, except "you have the right not to respond to my posts", if you choose to, don't blame me for anything that'll upset you and homeys feelings as a result. That fair enough?

Well I've already stated why I defend him and other enthusiasts who don't share your tastes in vehicle stylin, now it's time for you to tell everyone "why you have a problem" with me defending him . But if you don't feel you have a problem and only I seem to be the one with problem with y'all tearin this guy up. I don't know what else to say, except "you have the right not to respond to my posts", if you choose to, don't blame me for anything that'll upset you and homeys feelings as a result. That fair enough?
Dude, why is that you always get slammed for your posts?
I mean I don't agree with your opinion to back this dude up but I don't see why everyone else has to get on your case about it.
This is clublexus we're civilized people. We should be the most open of all car forums. C'mon guys family love!

Yea... that's too much money on a 94 Accord but whatever dude your money. He's a fan of Accords and decided to do something drastic. Not my taste but hey if it makes you truely happy.

Dude, why is that you always get slammed for your posts?
I mean I don't agree with your opinion to back this dude up but I don't see why everyone else has to get on your case about it.
This is clublexus we're civilized people. We should be the most open of all car forums. C'mon guys family love!

If you reread all the threads that involves him, you will see a trend:

1. Car with questionable modding style is posted
2. Members post opinions (mostly negative), some are stated nicer than others. The opinions are mostly on the car but sometimes on the owner
3. celicacamaro takes offense and starts addressing members who posted opinions
4. Member responds
5. Other members backup responding member with their take on the matter
6. Thread goes off topic and turns into a discussion of putting down cars on the net
7. Thread gets closed

I am just stating fact and not my opinion on the situation. As you can see, things usually start down this path because celicacamaro brings it up. He seems to be on a mission and starts these discussions. I don't think anyone is slamming his posts. If he intends to "reprimand" members for their actions, he should expect a reply mirroring his harshness.

I don't agree with his actions or opinion but he has mostly been civil (although heated) about it without resorting to bad name calling. As I would expect him to respect others in the voicing of their opinions, I respect his right to voice his. If things start to step over the line, closure is not far behind.

Dude, why is that you always get slammed for your posts?
I mean I don't agree with your opinion to back this dude up but I don't see why everyone else has to get on your case about it.
This is clublexus we're civilized people. We should be the most open of all car forums. C'mon guys family love!

Yea... that's too much money on a 94 Accord but whatever dude your money. He's a fan of Accords and decided to do something drastic. Not my taste but hey if it makes you truely happy.

Majority rules!! They think their ways is superior, the world should think and do things like them, anyone that don't share their views or taste gets ganged up with nasty remarks. But if their little world is rocked, everyone gangs up on the rocker. Those who like to dish it out are almost always the first to get nasty when they get a taste of their own medicine. It happens on every forum, only difference is it's a bit more civilize here.

I'm 100% sure it'll a different ballgame if more members post the way you do( :thumbup: ). Unfortunately you're in the minority.

Majority rules!! They think their ways is superior, the world should think and do things like them, anyone that don't share their views or taste gets ganged up with nasty remarks. But if their little world is rocked, everyone gangs up on the rocker. Those who like to dish it out are almost always the first to get nasty when they get a taste of their own medicine. It happens on every forum, only difference is it's a bit more civilize here.
We definitely have different takes on how things are. Obviously, this is how you view these types of thread. Let me give an example of how I see it.

Imagine that this is the Strawberry Ice Cream Lover's forum. Someone posts a thread about some guy somewhere eating chololate ice cream with his steak. Then members post responses.

Some are along this line:

Member 1: That's just not right.
Member 2: Those two just don't go together.

Some are more strongly worded:

Member 3: He is an idiot for doing that.
Member 4: Who in their right mind would do something like that?

Some are more inappropriate to the subject at hand:

Member 5: Look at how he dresses. No wonder he is such a spaz and eats that way.
Member 6: He must be a Momma's Boy and suck his thumb at night because any non-retarded person would not do that.

Now, I apologize if any of these statements are offensive. I was just making a point. They all put down the chocolate ice cream/steak eater, just in different ways.

Somewhere along the way, you come into the thread.

celicacamaro: Member 5, stop hatin on the guy. He is probably better off than you since he can afford a steak to go with his ice cream.
celicacamaro: Don't you guys have anything better to do than putting down someone with different tastes than you.

Now I certainly agree that majority rules. Come on, it is a strawberry ice cream lover's forum. The opinion is different but not necessarily superior. The members, though, do think strawberry ice cream is better than other flavors, not to mention other weird combinations. They agree. That is why they are here and it is their right to disagree with someone else.

You must like strawberry ice cream to a certain extent or else you would not be here. You don't state, however, your opinion on the chocolate ice cream and steak eater. You did not rock the boat with an opinion. You rocked the boat by pointing fingers at members. You did not voice an opinion on their love of strawberry ice cream (like most everyone else did on the chocolate/steak combo) but you voice an opinion on their character for putting down someone with a different taste. You did NOT give the members a taste of their own medicine. You dished out a different type of medicine, one to do with a personal nature and not on their love of strawberry ice cream.

Do you see the difference?

or you could just rant like me, lol

Even I am learning (and it took me 5 years on auto forums to do it) :D to just pick my battles. :D

We can disagree about this, even if its 3000 to 1, once we are respectful. CelicaCamaro, you need backup :D

Well if majority rules what has been the opinion then for:
1) Honda forums?
2) Mercedes forums?..........since we have the opinions here for Lexus already :D

Just wondering if they praised him or criticized him? :confused:

Amethysc, look what you started...........j/k :D

E-bay is full of cheapskates, no one goes to e-bay to pay full price.


I have to disagree. For example: I use Ebay because I do not want to be bothered with going to the store and purchasing something I do not need at the moment. Why waste my time going to the store when I can get the exact same thing on Ebay?

People do go to Ebay to pay the "full price." The buy-it-now option is used all the time to remove uncertainty of the bid.

Well if majority rules what has been the opinion then for:
1) Honda forums?
2) Mercedes forums?..........since we have the opinions here for Lexus already :D

Just wondering if they praised him or criticized him? :confused:

Amethysc, look what you started...........j/k :D

we will soon find out....

for those who wondered what mb and honda drivers would say.... take a looK :)

mbworld.org (http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=110718)

honda-acura.net (http://www.honda-acura.net/forums/showthread.php?t=192628)

for those who wondered what mb and honda drivers would say.... take a looK :)

mbworld.org (http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=110718)

honda-acura.net (http://www.honda-acura.net/forums/showthread.php?t=192628)

Even his Honda brothers hate it. GOod find :thumbup:

Even his Honda brothers hate it. GOod find :thumbup:
Lol. He did not find it. He asked the question. ;)

if you ever see an egainer on a forum, there's a good chance it's me

im on many forums as egainer

audiworld, clublex, mbworld, honda-acura, hondaprelude, camaroz28, etc

Look at his eyes! Look at this man's eyes! They are the same color as his dash for Christ's sake! That's not from weed, hes smoking crack!!
http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/features/2005/bling-on-the-block/03-large/gopie-gofi.jpg

Here's the real rules for club lexus:

1. Between pages 2 and 3 of a car related discussion someone has to make a racially intolerant comment off hand which must be picked apart and discussed in further detail untill a formal apology by the person who made the comment is written.

2. Even when proof that the man who put an alleged $100,000 into his car was, and still is, on crack, a 3 page discussion on how everyone should respect his right to smoke rocks and put SC headlights and SL taillights on his 1994 Accord must ensue.

3. At the first sign of the word "rice" six members must post up a 3 paragraph response that %4 of people that see the topic actually read explaining how rice is a racially intolerant word and the proper term is "untastefully modded car"

Come on you guys are way to PC, this is the problem with Lexus owners alot of people think Lexus owners have a stick up their ass and are too politically correct. This is a car club and part of loving cars is ripping on the ones that suck.

If that man had a piece of human feces on his face wouldn't you tell him? Cause him driving around in that car is no different, I for one would look him in his bloodshot twacked out eyes and say "dude ______________"

Do you know what I think? I think that car is an abortion, but if he likes it then good for him, it was his money so he should enjoy it.

Now lighten up people! Remember we are here for fun! (and naked pictures of vida god damn!!) :p

Even his Honda brothers hate it. GOod find :thumbup:

hHAHAHAA, this is so owned man. boy, where do you find love huh

We definitely have different takes on how things are. Obviously, this is how you view these types of thread. Let me give an example of how I see it.

Imagine that this is the Strawberry Ice Cream Lover's forum. Someone posts a thread about some guy somewhere eating chololate ice cream with his steak. Then members post responses.

Some are along this line:

Member 1: That's just not right.
Member 2: Those two just don't go together.

Some are more strongly worded:

Member 3: He is an idiot for doing that.
Member 4: Who in their right mind would do something like that?

Some are more inappropriate to the subject at hand:

Member 5: Look at how he dresses. No wonder he is such a spaz and eats that way.
Member 6: He must be a Momma's Boy and suck his thumb at night because any non-retarded person would not do that.

Now, I apologize if any of these statements are offensive. I was just making a point. They all put down the chocolate ice cream/steak eater, just in different ways.

Somewhere along the way, you come into the thread.

celicacamaro: Member 5, stop hatin on the guy. He is probably better off than you since he can afford a steak to go with his ice cream.
celicacamaro: Don't you guys have anything better to do than putting down someone with different tastes than you.

Now I certainly agree that majority rules. Come on, it is a strawberry ice cream lover's forum. The opinion is different but not necessarily superior. The members, though, do think strawberry ice cream is better than other flavors, not to mention other weird combinations. They agree. That is why they are here and it is their right to disagree with someone else.

You must like strawberry ice cream to a certain extent or else you would not be here. You don't state, however, your opinion on the chocolate ice cream and steak eater. You did not rock the boat with an opinion. You rocked the boat by pointing fingers at members. You did not voice an opinion on their love of strawberry ice cream (like most everyone else did on the chocolate/steak combo) but you voice an opinion on their character for putting down someone with a different taste. You did NOT give the members a taste of their own medicine. You dished out a different type of medicine, one to do with a personal nature and not on their love of strawberry ice cream.

Do you see the difference?

Uh...No. You're only confirming what I've said to be true...Majority rules....and you're more symphathetic to their views. Like 1sicklex said, I need backup.

Respecting others right to disagree is all good with me, but taking cheapshots or being negative towards others for having taste other than ones own is a different thing and one that you've choose not to address and is the basis of my posts. If majority approves, it must be OK and I should go along or option not to voice my opinion is what I'm getting from your posts. You seem to feel that it is my personal shot at other member rather than sticking with the subject at hand is what's causing all this mess. Allow me to break it down for you as to why I think you're wrong.

First of all, correct me if I'm wrong, but this is only the second thread of this nature that have gotten heated that I was involved in. I've made a few quick sarcastic posts in one other thread that didn't cause any heat, but that's it. This is also the first time I've addressed a member(beside the time when tthis STEVtec dude tried to punk y'all and RONgs400 and I blown his cover.) Other than that, the only really heated thread was about the Accord with BMW emblems, in that one I stuck to the topic and people were all over me. I don't recall ever knocking on any member personally, I recall many sure got on my case for voicing my opinion on the subject at hand, even you. You never once brought up "stay with the subject at hand", it was never an issue. In that thread I did what you said, I voiced my opinion on the subject at hand(the fat bastard in the reflection). Somehow that didn't sit too well with you and you feel you have to jump in to defend the "fat bastard" and thereby helping out other members(as if there aren't enough members disagreeing with me already). This thread here is NOwhere near as heated even when I was addressing a member as you've said. I'm not even sure why you need to jump in this one, it's been civilized as you've said. Everyone seem to think there's something wrong with me for wanting to defend these cars.

It is the thread itself that causes heated debates and causes threads to go offtopic, it is it's nature, happens everywhere, it is NOT my personal shots at a member for their views. If you reread this thread, practically no one care to come to Tecknol(the original member I addressed) aid. No one care that I took a personal shot(except you) because they all want to do the same thing to me, they are more concern at what I have to say about the topic, just like the accord 745 thread. Some members can't wait to exorcist me out of my views(although civil). Even you want to know why I defend those cars(perhaps you and others think I'm weird or y'all just curious to see what makes me tick?). At the bottom of page 5, You'll also notice that another member has issues with me saying "e-bay is full of cheapskates", that's not even related to the subject at hand, it was something 1sicklex brought up, but I don't see you telling them to stick to the topic at hand. I could have a debate with this dude all day long about e-bay, but that would throw thread off topic.

Point is, people are going to find something to disagree with anyone about anything under the right circumstances, things are going to go offtopic wether I'm involve or not. To say that my personal shots at others is what's causing it is not fair especially when there's little facts to support it. It's just your personal view. Personal shot generally happen when someone has already crossed someone elses threshold like Tecknol did by calling that accord a POS and knocking Honda enthusiasts by saying Honda owners are always trying to hide their cars identity. I'm a Honda enthusiats, I maynot style my vehicle like that, but I'm still a Honda enthusiast, I'm also a CL member, if anyone who took personal shot at a member here, it is the member who I originally addressed because he already addressed me(although not directly, but still the same IMO). When he did it, it's OK, no one cares, not even you, but when I address him(directly), all of the sudden mods put me under a microscope.You went out of your way to do a pattern on me for all to see what a trouble starter I am. Now you see how I may get the feeling you're bias and may have a hidden agenda against me? My not running with the herd causes more heat than anything, doesn't matter if it's here or on another forum. I've been around, I know. It's almost always the same results and has nothing to do with my personal crack at any forum members at all. If you don't believe me, watch my next post.

Basically your theory about me is premature at best. To those who don't care to read all the posts, it may have a certain value in discreting me cuz it's coming from a moderator. Besides that, it 's just your opinion on what you think is the cause. If I wasn't cool, I'd consider that your personal shot at me, you are breaking your own rule and throwing thread off topic. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to start anything with you. You went out of your way to point out my flaws, it's only fair I defend myself. If it sounded slightly abrasive, don't take it the wrong way, my command of the english langauge is far inferior to yours.

Well...that's about all I got out of your little strawberry tale. Obviously we both don't agree on the same thing, So allow me to elaborate a bit more since I still get the feeling you still think I'm not understanding this and vice versa. Before I do that, I'd like to ask some question.

If I comment on your personal take (strawberry example), does that mean it's going to get personal and no longer about the subject at hand? And if I should say something wrong like "that strawberry sample is retarded", would that be consider a personal attack or is that considered responding to the topic at hand correctly as you've been trying to tell me? If you can clear that up for me, I'll have a better understanding of where you're coming from. But first I want to thank you for taking the time to write up that little sample.

Here we go....I think knocking on someone for their style and how they spent their money is the same as me knocking on a member for voicing his opinion. Cars dont' mod themselves, at least I don't know of any yet, so it's all personal no matter how one sugar coats it. What the owner did to that Accord is basically his opinion, he made the call on how he wants it done. He might not say it with words, but He did it with alot time and money to make his opinion known, seen and hopefully win an award, (carshows don't give awards to stock cars that were designed with compramises for the masses). So when you knock on a guys pride and joy, you are knocking on him personally. Everyones going to have their own interpretation of this so I'll leave it at that.

Bottomline....We can all enjoy strawberries to our hearts content without needing to throw negative remarks at those who prefers icecream with steak. I mean this is CL and not Maxima.org after all, one can still voice ones opinions effectively without cheapshots. Y'all have done that very well here and I'm learning alot. Cheapshots and biasness is what bothers me, doesn't matter if they're a member or nonmember. Notice I didn't respond to those who voiced their disagreement in a mature manner? THis type of threads almost always generates cheapshots. Perhaps Neo can use his moderator power to create a better CL world for all of us so a minority view like mine wouldn't have to rock the boat? I don't want to be seen as Jesse Jackson to get my points across. Y'all banned name calling and other abrasive remark towards other members, why not include that for nonmembers too? Members who feel their fun are being taken away can always join ricecop or similar sites on the side to get their daily fill of negativities. CL is famous for being civil and open minded, that seem like the next logical step.

If you reread all the threads that involves him, you will see a trend:

1. Car with questionable modding style is posted
2. Members post opinions (mostly negative), some are stated nicer than others. The opinions are mostly on the car but sometimes on the owner
3. celicacamaro takes offense and starts addressing members who posted opinions
4. Member responds
5. Other members backup responding member with their take on the matter
6. Thread goes off topic and turns into a discussion of putting down cars on the net
7. Thread gets closed

I am just stating fact and not my opinion on the situation. As you can see, things usually start down this path because celicacamaro brings it up. He seems to be on a mission and starts these discussions. I don't think anyone is slamming his posts. If he intends to "reprimand" members for their actions, he should expect a reply mirroring his harshness.

I don't agree with his actions or opinion but he has mostly been civil (although heated) about it without resorting to bad name calling. As I would expect him to respect others in the voicing of their opinions, I respect his right to voice his. If things start to step over the line, closure is not far behind.


Since we're bringing up patterns here, allow me to post one of my own. I know this is going to throw thread off topic somewhat, but hey, you started it.

- When a neutral member posts something similar to what KOMA has, thread gets shutdown soon after with "now that everyones got their say on the subject or topic".

If he intends to "reprimand" members for their actions, he should expect a reply mirroring his harshness.


This should apply to everyone.


6. Thread goes off topic and turns into a discussion of putting down cars on the net


Thread has always been about putting down cars on the net!! All discussions that knocks on someone elses taste goes unchallenged and is acceptable. When it does get challenged, it's somehow off topic? Perhaps you can clarify, but the way I see it, You can't have one without the other, it's the yin and yang effect, too much evil needs some good to keep the universe in balance. Unless it's Lucas star wars universe where Jedis come in all shape, size, colors and race except asian, eventho the whole jedi concept and fighting are blatant copies of the asian warrior ways. That would be off topic.

Even I am learning (and it took me 5 years on auto forums to do it) :D to just pick my battles. :D

We can disagree about this, even if its 3000 to 1, once we are respectful. CelicaCamaro, you need backup :D

You got that right...I need LOT OF BACKUP!!s

Y'all wanna see a car that ain't gonna win any award? Here it is.


http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/500/medium/13543IMPORT_GT_ACCORD.jpg

What a waste of time and money. All that just to look like a boring stock car, dude even has the balls to enter a carshow. Bad mistake, just look at the reaction of the crowd. Everybodies turning away. Not a single person, I REPEAT, NOT ONE except the camera dude is looking or even noticing this invisible thing. A camry probably gets more attention. The owner could at least save the money for painting the headlight and spend it on some V-TEC sticker and strategically placed it on the hood or something. Now he can't drive that stock looking car with painted headlight on the street cuz it's illegal. Talk about wrong use of money, but hey, it's his money. ;)

celicacamaro-that guy's car is a piece of crap and we don't care if you don't like the fact that we feel that way. get over it. we were all painfully aware of your opion from your first post, but you go on and on.

If you like it so much, write the guy a letter......

that car is in better shape than a lot of the cars in this forum.

heck, that car is in better shape than either one of my cars...

props for the work.

That car should win some shows... creative, and unique...

Those who are speculating that he doesn't have a legitimate source of money: for all we know he works for a custom car place and makes a crapload of money and did a lot of the money himself.... The car could be priced at 100k... 50k of it being labor... it would take a lot of time to make the car look as such.


And he achieved his goal.

He's on car forums, he's on newspaper, he's online and people are talking about him and his car.

He got his point across. He got noticed. Maybe it was his life long dream to have his 15 minutes of fame. (now extending to several).

He wins

I applaud.


BTW: I still don't like the car. lol

celicacamaro-that guy's car is a piece of crap and we don't care if you don't like the fact that we feel that way. get over it. we were all painfully aware of your opion from your first post, but you go on and on.

If you like it so much, write the guy a letter......

You've made your point twice already chuck, how bout we stick to topic at hand?

Y'all wanna see a car that ain't gonna win any award? Here it is.


http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/500/medium/13543IMPORT_GT_ACCORD.jpg

What a waste of time and money. All that just to look like a boring stock car, dude even has the balls to enter a carshow. Bad mistake, just look at the reaction of the crowd. Everybodies turning away. Not a single person, I REPEAT, NOT ONE except the camera dude is looking or even noticing this invisible thing. A camry probably gets more attention. The owner could at least save the money for painting the headlight and spend it on some V-TEC sticker and strategically placed it on the hood or something. Now he can't drive that stock looking car with painted headlight on the street cuz it's illegal. Talk about wrong use of money, but hey, it's his money. ;)

Well to maybe you and I don't think it will win an award, but to that type of crowd or certain genre the judges are looking for, it could be a award winner in their eyes. How does taking a picture at 1/500 of a second or whatever the picture was taken at means no one was interested in looking at the car. It just could so happen that when the pic was taken after people were looking at it. There are so many different scenarios to that photo taken. The photographer got what he wanted though, no one in the line of site of his photo. It's the owners perrogative and tastes he put his car in that state it is. Let it be. It's not going to change because of our opinion of it. Different strokes for different folks. ;)

This is my first post in this thread.
Holy crap. What a waste of $100k. It's his money, I guess. :dunno:
I would have spent $100k on something else but basically agree that it is his money to do as he wishes. I think it is a nice show car piece and I am sure he gets the attention he intended the car to get, whether it be at car shows or on the street. I do applaud him for his time, money, and dedication to something he likes. It does not mean I have to agree with it and do the same thing.

This is your first post in this thread. You first addressed technol and then everyone else (y'all). This is the first difference between your initial post and other members' posts.
People like you. Maybe if y'all stop hatin on Honda, dude wouldn't have to spend 100K to hide his accord just so he can have some peace. But even after 100K, you still got to find something to knock on the guy. You're right, maybe some crack might do you good.
Maybe it is in one of your posts but I don't think you said what you thought of the car. If you did, I apologize for missing it. Once you posted, though, the focus of the thread started to move away from the "hybrid" car. I have owned a Toyota, a Nissans, a Honda, and a VW. I do not take offense when people say things about Honda guys. I don't even consider myself a Lexus guy. There are good ones and bad ones in all car types. I've seen, IMO, badly modded Lexus, some even on CL. That is, however, the owner's prerogative and taste. I can respect that. Car ownership/enthusiasm does not define me.

As far as this thread goes, I do agree with you that some of the comments were a bit strong but everyone has a personal way of expressing themselves. Some are "no holds barred" more than others. Still, the comments are about the car. If you posted an opinion, even to the contrary, and another member put you down for it, I would address that member too. (If I did not do that, I apologize.) The thing is, other member responses to you were replies to something you wrote about their attitudes and not in the context of your opinion of the car.

You have to remember something. You are on a Lexus site. On top of that, many (but definitely not all) of the members have (not exact but) similar tastes. This is why they are here, to be comfortable with like-minded people. I do not agree with everything my CL brethren (which includes you) posts, but I am happy to agree to disagree. I don't feel the need to challenge them on their behaviors. This mutual tolerance is part of the reason for the peace and comfortable atmosphere on CL.

In addition to a Lexus, I have an Acura MDX. Not everyone likes this car but that's what I have. I know that 1SICKLEX dislikes this car but I have no problem with him calling it a big mess. (I think he said that in a previous post. :)) That's why he does not want to own one. No big deal with me. I also like home theater and a variety of other things. I am registered and contribute (though definitely not as much as here) on forums related to those topics. Am I on a Honda, Maxima, Caddilac, ... forum? No. I have no interest in what they think not because of their membership behaviors, attitudes, and opinions whatever they may be, but because I personally do not have a vested interest.

If they post my car and say it is a piece of crap. If I am ignorant of it, I don't care. If I hear about it, I would feel a little sad, but ultimately, I still don't care. That is their opinion on their site. They feel that way and stay with eachother on that forum. I am not there. I have no affinity with them. I would not register to "defend" myself. It is not worth my time. I would not want anyone else to waste their time either.

I applaud you for trying to increase tolerance but in the microcosm that is CL (or any other forum of similar-minded members), it is not going to happen. Remember, people who are active like the fact that their views are accepted and that's why they come back and contribute. For the most part, I think many here are tolerant of what this guy did to his car (whether or not they agree with him). You don't see the 30k+ members coming in here and blasting the guy, right?

To answer some of your direct questions:
f I comment on your personal take (strawberry example), does that mean it's going to get personal and no longer about the subject at hand? And if I should say something wrong like "that strawberry sample is retarded", would that be consider a personal attack or is that considered responding to the topic at hand correctly as you've been trying to tell me? If you can clear that up for me, I'll have a better understanding of where you're coming from.
This would not be a personal attack IMO. You are making an observation that the example did not fit the circumstances. Yes I know I wrote it but I personally would not take offense. I makes me want to try to write something more appropriate. "You must be an idiot or on crack to think that sample is relevant." This is an attack since you are addressing me.

Perhaps Neo can use his moderator power to create a better CL world for all of us so a minority view like mine wouldn't have to rock the boat?
Yes, one of my personal goals is the first part of this statement/question. I enjoy being on CL and the relationship with the members. When I took on the responsibility as a mod, I do want to contribute to the continual growth of CL.

As for the second part, I have no problem with your views. I don't even want to call it a minority. One some levels, I do agree with you but we pick our battles. If you opened a thread and ask "Why must we bash cars and their owners if we don't like their style?", it would be a more appropriate arena to discuss your issue. This whole discussion in this thread would be moot. My only exception is you choose to voice this topic in threads that "proves" your point but is not about your point. Can you honestly tell me that if left unchecked, you would not repeat this action in another like thread? Maybe not in everyone of them but that there would not be a recurrence of it?

I will have to agree to disagree with you about the "attack the car, attack the owner" issue. Disagreeing with the way the car is modded and the tastes of the owner does not necessarily add up to an attack on the owner.

I do agree with you that this thread has gone off and I am contributing to it. Mods or not, we do have opinions and we do voice them as members. Originally, I was just trying to stem the discussion from becoming about something else other than the posted car. Because I have been pretty much sucked into the discussion, it is no longer appropriate for me to manage this thread as a mod and will let the other mods do that. I do not want to be accused of misusing my "powers" to get in the last word.

wow flipside just became celicamaro, and celicamaro was being funny by acting like that, bc he's saying we act like that toward the other car...

except that the majority wins, and its not bc they are the majority, it's bc it's common appeal

on AVERAGE, you know when you see a beautiful person, and when you see an ugly person

celicamaro happens to think that whenever we see an ugly person, we should not think they are ugly, bc someone, somewhere thinks different....

well con-f'n-gratulations for them.

in this case, with this honda, no one thinks it looks good. not on mb forum, or honda accord forum.... so explain that

saying he did lots of work and congratulating him on that is not the same thing as thinking the car looks good. in this case, NO ONE has said the car doesnt look bad except for you

so you are that one person who thinks that really ugly "person" is good looking. you are the single one alone. that is why you get slammed. but not only do you not think that the car is not bad looking, but you think we shouldn't make fun of it bc it is....

that is where you are wrong. so you get slammed for not thinking like us, thats one thing. then you get slammed bc you tell us we shouldnt make fun of it... thats two

if instead of telling us what not to do, and you just say you dont think its that bad, none of this stuff woudl ever happen.

if your post had gone like this "man that car has a lot of work done. i don't actually think it looks that bad. looks like he spent lots of time and money doing it, props to him for doing that. i don't know if i would actually drive it, but he did a good job on modding that car"

then you will have people saying, no way man, that car is ugly.... but they wont be saying, wtf why are you telling me not to make fun of it

you talk to other members, they make fun of the car.... your little example there trying to say that's not how you are, is wrong. you are like that, you confront the members, and then they do it back to you. then it turns into this

when 1sicklex first posted, i didnt say, man you shouldnt be making fun of him, its his car, let him do what he wants.... and do you know why i didnt say that.... bc he can have his opinion, just as you can have yours. but you start turning it into telling us what we should and should not do....

besides the fact that the car looks like it has deep fryers in the back, and that the gaps between the doors are too wide, the car has pretty decent work done on it.

but as someone said in the accord forum "why spend 100k on car that in the end, still drives like a 94 honda accord"

Well NEO, it seems we are still disagreeing and until we resolve it, there will always be something for us to be concious about. The problem with this particular thread is that I think it's an attack on the owner when someone attacks his life style or pride and joy. You don't think it's a big deal, but feels that because I think it is a big deal, I'm causing all this mess. The Acccord 745 thread was even more heated and I stuck to the topic and didn't hack on anyone personally. Yet you still seem to think I will cause more problems in the future. So I don't know what to say except that you are being prematurely unfair to me. You assume to know how I will react based on just two threads. To make you feel better and get this off your shoulder once and for all, I'll say this.

Regarding the future, it all depends. You never know what people will say cuz you never know what will offend who, when or with what. I'll bet you technol doesn't even know he got on my case with his post. Technol doesn't even seem to care, only someone else seem to have a problem with me taking issue with his remarks and name calling. So it depends, there's too many variable as to why people start knocking on each other. But now that I'm aware of your concern, I will make a concious attempt to stay with the subject at hand. I'll do that just for you. I don't think it's going to help or change anything, but I'm willing to try your approach( actually I've already started) I'll stick with the topic at hand no matter how nasty it may get and refrain myself from addressing anyone unless I'm being nice to them. Is that good? You can hold this against me.

Of course nothings free...my only request from you is whenever shyt happens, fairly look at the overall situation first and not automatically put me on the top of your list of people to blame just because you feel I have a pattern. Fair?

Anyway, gotta go...it's friday...lots of fine booties to pickup. ;)

wow flipside just became celicamaro, and celicamaro was being funny by acting like that, bc he's saying we act like that toward the other car...

except that the majority wins, and its not bc they are the majority, it's bc it's common appeal

on AVERAGE, you know when you see a beautiful person, and when you see an ugly person

celicamaro happens to think that whenever we see an ugly person, we should not think they are ugly, bc someone, somewhere thinks different....

well con-f'n-gratulations for them.

in this case, with this honda, no one thinks it looks good. not on mb forum, or honda accord forum.... so explain that

saying he did lots of work and congratulating him on that is not the same thing as thinking the car looks good. in this case, NO ONE has said the car doesnt look bad except for you

so you are that one person who thinks that really ugly "person" is good looking. you are the single one alone. that is why you get slammed. but not only do you not think that the car is not bad looking, but you think we shouldn't make fun of it bc it is....

that is where you are wrong. so you get slammed for not thinking like us, thats one thing. then you get slammed bc you tell us we shouldnt make fun of it... thats two

if instead of telling us what not to do, and you just say you dont think its that bad, none of this stuff woudl ever happen.

if your post had gone like this "man that car has a lot of work done. i don't actually think it looks that bad. looks like he spent lots of time and money doing it, props to him for doing that. i don't know if i would actually drive it, but he did a good job on modding that car"

then you will have people saying, no way man, that car is ugly.... but they wont be saying, wtf why are you telling me not to make fun of it

you talk to other members, they make fun of the car.... your little example there trying to say that's not how you are, is wrong. you are like that, you confront the members, and then they do it back to you. then it turns into this

when 1sicklex first posted, i didnt say, man you shouldnt be making fun of him, its his car, let him do what he wants.... and do you know why i didnt say that.... bc he can have his opinion, just as you can have yours. but you start turning it into telling us what we should and should not do....

besides the fact that the car looks like it has deep fryers in the back, and that the gaps between the doors are too wide, the car has pretty decent work done on it.

but as someone said in the accord forum "why spend 100k on car that in the end, still drives like a 94 honda accord"

Didn't mod say not to slam members for their view? Just stick to topic at hand? :D
Yeah I was being sarcastic, but you see my point don't you? AM I NOT RIGHT? No one is looking at that car. NOT ONE, what is the chance of that happening at an import carshow? He spent all that time and money to look stock, but he painted the headlight. Now that car can't be driven on the street. So regardless what you think all the other stuff before here has been, I have a legit point with this car.

- That's jacked up when his friends knock his style.

Yet you still seem to think I will cause more problems in the future. Yes ....i forsee any "Rice " thread having a post by you ....and in that post you will side with the car that is being made fun of

So I don't know what to say except that you are being prematurely unfair to me.

first impressions carry alot of weight around here and i think i know where you stand



but you may come around LOL ...go have fun tonight and remember we are a bunch of guys behind computers

hmmm :uh: :uh: :uh: :uh: :uh:

CelicaCamero, I suggest just ignore this thread b/c I haven't even started.

Look at me, I drive a MANUAL Lexus ES 300. I have gotten my share of jokes or snide remarks IN PERSON (not on the net like in this thread) b/c "who the hell buys a manual Lexus". That is their opinion, shoot, they have a point. The manual ES sold so badly, it was discontinued.

With this guy, he took a 15k Honda and invested 100k in it. You don't think people are going to make fun of it?

You fail to realize on the INTERNET, people will find pics, post them and comment, good remarks or remarks that some won't like.

You fail to realize that the majority of people in the world would agree that investing 100k in a 15k Honda is foolish.

No one has said the guy doesn't ENJOY his ride. Good for him. But your not going to convince anyone here, we are wrong for talking about the guy.

And I will continue to say, he is on crack to invest 100k in that car and to make his HONDA look like a LEXUS or SL, when he could have bought THE REAL THING with the money he spent in mods.

CelicaCamero, I suggest just ignore this thread b/c I haven't even started.

LOL. You do not want 1SICKLEX to get started.

Well NEO, it seems we are still disagreeing and until we resolve it, there will always be something for us to be concious about.
Believe it or not, I don't want you to agree with me. Different opinions are healthy as long as talking about them do not become malicious (and it has not).

I don't think EGainer was knocking your views either. I think he was just trying to give his take on your post content and how it affected this thread and its readers.

The problem with this particular thread is that I think it's an attack on the owner when someone attacks his life style or pride and joy.
Unfortunately, this will happen on the net. Global info sharing is a female dog. As I explained earlier, it goes both ways for me. I am not without feeling but when I post pics of my car on the net, I already anticipate that there will be negatives and hope for positives. It is just the way it is. I do not feel attacked at all. It was my choice to post the pics and I have to live with other people's views.

You don't think it's a big deal, but feels that because I think it is a big deal, I'm causing all this mess.
Well, to me, the course of the thread did change after your post. I will shoulder some of the blame as I continue to try to explain to you what happened here. I am not asking for you to change your opinion about cars or on the tolerance exhibited by others. I just wanted to show you the cause and effect.

my only request from you is whenever shyt happens, fairly look at the overall situation first and not automatically put me on the top of your list of people to blame just because you feel I have a pattern. Fair?

Absolutely. I will blame the appropriate person when the need arise. ;)

Anyway, gotta go...it's friday...lots of fine booties to pickup.
Now this we can agree on (although that was me when I was unattached and younger). :D

BTW - Earlier. I did see your response in the "Look at this wing" thread. No controversy there. ;) :thumbup:

basically. eric is right... you can voice your opinion on the car

but don't tell others to not say what they think about it.... end of story

im changing my position to moderator since, i am so sweet and all... lol

from now on, only posts abotu the accord, no more posts about celicamaro's posting habits

end transmission

Guys with cars like this....especially in New York....usually have girls working for them.......girls with names like Candy, Bubbles, Peaches, Snowflake, etc......

com on now Marshall. Especially in New York guys with girls working for them name candy and bubbles. don't drive cars like that. they usually have big ass escalate(room for 12 or 14). so get your **** right.. anyways.. i don't wana be hatting on him or his people. but dud's like him usually owns gas stations and supermarkets.. making $$$$.. i have a family that lives on my block in a middle class area(sunset park).. freaking dud has a Viper parked on their lot..

anyways..it's somewhat of a waste for 100G, if he wanted to be noticed.. why didn't he waste his money on a Lambo(used) , NSX ,or Lotus.. freaking bootleg bootleg SC430 . but for a dud to drive a honda and wanting it to look like a lexus , makes me feel good that i chose the es300 over the acura intge. oo wells.. i guess when you're loaded with cash , you just do stupid things.

LOL. You do not want 1SICKLEX to get started.


VERY VERY true. i really wanted to read the past 10 to 15 msg, but i just told myself not to

and don't even attempt to get 1sick started.

I haven't seen the Accord around Queens but I have seen the GS-4runna, looks like he changed it up a bit but I liked the last rendition. :thumbup:

CelicaCamero, I suggest just ignore this thread b/c I haven't even started.

Look at me, I drive a MANUAL Lexus ES 300. I have gotten my share of jokes or snide remarks IN PERSON (not on the net like in this thread) b/c "who the hell buys a manual Lexus". That is their opinion, shoot, they have a point. The manual ES sold so badly, it was discontinued.

With this guy, he took a 15k Honda and invested 100k in it. You don't think people are going to make fun of it?

You fail to realize on the INTERNET, people will find pics, post them and comment, good remarks or remarks that some won't like.

You fail to realize that the majority of people in the world would agree that investing 100k in a 15k Honda is foolish.


I feel your pain, like I said before, majority rules. YOU ALSO NEED BACKUP. ;)

It's not that I "fail to realize that the majority of people in the world would agree that investing 100k in a 15k Honda is foolish". Other people have spent way more restoring junkers from the 20s thru the 60s and everything else those particular enthusiasts deem worthy of their hard earn money. Majority of trash talkers seem to favor old cars and restoring back to stock is respected while creating something different out of something stock seemed stupid and a waste of money especially when there's a Honda name attach to it. They are more sympathetic towards what they like and unusaully cruel and unfair towards those they don't like. And there lies all the worlds problems.

I also realize that people on the net will post and say things they normally don't have the cojones to say or do in real life because they know what's going to happen if they do express their opinions. Playing virtual bully seems to help sooth that darker side for many "opinionated" folks.


No one has said the guy doesn't ENJOY his ride.


But they do seem to say things that suggest there's something wrong with the guy and call his pride and joy a POS. When someone else jumps in to say something like "if you stop knocking these people for doing what they want to their rides or questioning their state of mind than you wouldn't feel the need to call their ride a POS or question their state of minds." Of course this is viewed as a direct attack, now the trash talkers feel someone else is trying to tell them what to do, when in reality someone is just pointing out the cause and effect. Those who like to dish it out, generally are the first to get offended when the same happens to them.


But your not going to convince anyone here, we are wrong for talking about the guy.


Agree there, majority rules, even if majority knows what they're doing is wrong. But I can't really blame it on all the majority since only a few amongs the majority feel they have to constantly justify their wrongness and shootdown all those who don't share their views with abrasive posts. Perhaps we can start a coup to suppress those who few "troubled" individuals and start endouraging positive views about MANUAL ES300? :D

Yes ....i forsee any "Rice " thread having a post by you ....and in that post you will side with the car that is being made fun of


Did you forsee anything else? For example: The same people who normally side against these "rice" cars will also be posting too.

I don't think EGainer was knocking your views either. I think he was just trying to give his take on your post content and how it affected this thread and its readers.



He's basically doing the same thing you are in his own way. But why does he feel he has to? Isn't that taking thread off topic even more? You and I have already done that more than everyone else combined and I feel bad about it. I'm just curious why you would have to justify his post. Does he feel you are not doing a good enough job and need to help out? Or does he think I have a comprehension problem and need to re-itterate? Eitherway, thread is further going off topic. I just want you understand that I understand what both of you are trying to say, but I don't know if you both or anyone else know that I understand.

Gainer already said people are slamming me for not sharing their views and slam me again for telling them what to do. He'd already acknowledge that Flip99 has already become the old me, that means people are going to address others rather than staying with subject at hand cuz they disagree with someone elses view. I didn't bother responding to Flip, I was hoping you would.

Egainer is basically confirming that both our reasons why threads like this go off topic are right. But he leans more towards your view based on some of the post in this thread while the more heated Accord 745 thread back my view. So we're going nowhere.


Well, to me, the course of the thread did change after your post. I will shoulder some of the blame as I continue to try to explain to you what happened here. I am not asking for you to change your opinion about cars or on the tolerance exhibited by others. I just wanted to show you the cause and effect.


I thought that's what I was doing, showing the cause and effect. Sure I was offended that Technol called that dudes ride a POS and saying Honda guys are always trying to hide their vehicles identity. But he also ask, "what's wrong with Honda?" So I answer..."people like you".

We all know there's nothing wrong with Honda (unless it's a lemon from the factory). Everyone know Honda makes some of the most reliable, innovative, economical and fun to drive vehicles on the planet. They're the only company to give all mighty Toyota worthy competition. Honda is the #1 choice for young enthusiasts. Been like that for almost 2 decades now. These are facts. Obviously Honda vehicles are awesome enough that this dude is willing to use one of their model as a foundation to invest his 100k on instead of a Lexus, BMW, Merc, Porsche or some other make. But TECHNOL still called it a POS and many others have suggested the same. Some Honda guys have also said, it still drives like a 94 Accord even after 100K in mods. 94 Accord is a dam good driving car to over 200,000 people. Nothing to be ashame off.

So the only problem with Honda must be people like Technol. It's the only logical answer IMO. I'd be very curious to hear why that wouldn't be so. He ask a question, I gave him the only answer that make sense. It's NOT a putdown for my own personal satisfaction, it's the right answer if one takes the process of elimination approach. Unfortunately the truth isn't always very popular and makes some people feel they have to take cheapshots at me as a way to justify why they are not the cause. Thread goes off tangent from there.

Either way, it looks like we're just treading over the same ground and will never agree, so I apologize for keeping this up.

it looks like we're just treading over the same ground and will never agree,

that is the only intelligent and agreeable thing I've have heard from you yet. give it a rest man-your long winded BS replies are worthless and nobody likes to hear the crap you spew but you. Why don't you go somewhere else if you can't stand CL member views, I doubt anyone here would miss you.

Yeah, I' ve never seen anyone spend so much time writing so much about absolutely nothing :rolleyes:
Thanx though I don't recall I' ve started many threads with more than 100 replies :D

Did you forsee anything else?

I forsee the arguing in this thread has gone on long enough, isn't getting anywhere and the thread will be closed shortly.

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Hey - what do you know I was right.

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