I just got back from a 4-day weekend in L.A. As many of us know, southern California is a bellweather and trendsetter for the rest of the nation, especially when it comes to automobiles. Cars that are hot there generally become hot elsewhere in the country, even if it takes many months for the trend to move.

Whatever you want to make of it, I saw new RL's on the road like they'd been on sale for years. Everywhere I looked there was another new RL, in all different colors. Maybe it's only because Acura's HQ is there, but the new RL was literally all over the roads.

I saw a handful of new GS's. Not nearly as many as RL's, but enough to catch my eye. I only saw one GS430, and none of the GS300's were AWD, but that's to be expected in sunny SoCal. The GS is a bit more pricey and was released a few months later than the RL, so I guess that could explain the lower numbers.

I did not see a single M35/45. NOT ONE. I realize that my observations only make for one data point, and it was both a limited time span and a limited set of places I was looking, but given the number of other new Japanese luxury sport sedans I saw it was a bit suprising for me to not spot a single new Infiniti M.

Is this a sign of the future for these cars. Will one man's observations over a single weekend translate into nationwide long-term sales for these vehicles. Probably not, I admit, but I must also say that if I was a Nissan executive I would have been quite upset, disappointed, and worried...

I just got back from a 4-day weekend in L.A. As many of us know, southern California is a bellweather and trendsetter for the rest of the nation, especially when it comes to automobiles. Cars that are hot there generally become hot elsewhere in the country, even if it takes many months for the trend to move.

Whatever you want to make of it, I saw new RL's on the road like they'd been on sale for years. Everywhere I looked there was another new RL, in all different colors. Maybe it's only because Acura's HQ is there, but the new RL was literally all over the roads.

I saw a handful of new GS's. Not nearly as many as RL's, but enough to catch my eye. I only saw one GS430, and none of the GS300's were AWD, but that's to be expected in sunny SoCal. The GS is a bit more pricey and was released a few months later than the RL, so I guess that could explain the lower numbers.

I did not see a single M35/45. NOT ONE. I realize that my observations only make for one data point, and it was both a limited time span and a limited set of places I was looking, but given the number of other new Japanese luxury sport sedans I saw it was a bit suprising for me to not spot a single new Infiniti M.

Is this a sign of the future for these cars. Will one man's observations over a single weekend translate into nationwide long-term sales for these vehicles. Probably not, I admit, but I must also say that if I was a Nissan executive I would have been quite upset, disappointed, and worried...

Its about trendsetting there. Surely the Acura HQ has something to do with the RL being more "seen", it also maybe you also owning an Acura, are more aware of seeing Acuras. Lexus being Lexus, is a trendsetting car and fashion statement, like it or not. Case in point, the SC 430, most auto enthusiasts seem to hate the looks, well, it got on magazine covers galore and is seen in movies, music videos, and bought by the rich and famous.

Infiniti is turning it around clearly so its a little to much to ask for it to be popular with people concerned with panache. The G35c is a fabulous looking car and in the 3+ years its been sold, I have never had a non-car friend/associate bring the car up, or ANY Infiniti. But God forbid a new Lexus, BMW, Benz comes out, I get questions asked all the time by non-car people.

Audi has the same problem. It just can't get in the AMerican publics minds, even as their cars have NEVER been better. They look great, are luxurious and now perform and the people just rarely talk about Audi.

I've said it many times, it seems the luxury market in America has room for 3 top players, BMW, Benz and Lexus. Everything else after that is an afterthought with the general public.

As for Atlanta, I was seeing way more RLs than GS/Ms but it seems the GS has caught on already, I see them now going to the mall, driving around etc. The M, I rarely see. Looking at sales figures for these Japanese sedans, the GS leads, followed by the M and the RL is WAY behind.

The RL has been sold since Nov. 2004 so maybe that has some to do with it.

all of those HQ are within a couple miles...

nissan/toyota/honda

The final observation that REALLY drives home Iceman's point, look at the modded cars on the net. If you go to each respective website, its RARE to see a modded RL or M. I am talking about basic things like upgraded wheels.
You look in our 3GS forum and its loaded with modded cars already with the few parts available.

Also looking at the car shows, people and companies are bringing the 3GS to car shows and even winning. I have yet to see 1 RL or M owner enter a car show. Never seen any in a magazine or on the net.

I am sure it will happen eventually, but the fact is, the 3GS is there already.

Finally, I fully expect the GS 450h to be a hit with celebrities and the rich and famous like the RX 400h has been already.

Its funny how people love to complain Lexus is boring/bland/for geezers but look around and since Lexus inception, its been a HIT with the trendy crowd.


The easiest way to tell is listen to hip-hop or watch music videos. Acura used to be metioned with the Legend, now, forget about it. Infiniti has never hit it off with the hip-hop community.. Lexus, its spoken all over in hip-hop. From the ES in an early Jay-Z video, to the "dopeman" 1GS, to the SC 300/400 and LS 400, to the 2GS "frogeye" in even movies and the LX/SC etc taking to to another level, Lexus is a hit with the fashionable consumer.

Here in SoCal, but not close to Torrance or other headquarters, I've seen #1) new GS (mostly 300, a handlul of 430's, #2) RL-M35/45 tie. The latter are incredibly rare. And if I do see one of those cars, I will see a new GS before seeing another one of those.

Its funny how people love to complain Lexus is boring/bland/for geezers but look around and since Lexus inception, its been a HIT with the trendy crowd.

The easiest way to tell is listen to hip-hop or watch music videos. Acura used to be metioned with the Legend, now, forget about it. Infiniti has never hit it off with the hip-hop community.. Lexus, its spoken all over in hip-hop. From the ES in an early Jay-Z video, to the "dopeman" 1GS, to the SC 300/400 and LS 400, to the 2GS "frogeye" in even movies and the LX/SC etc taking to to another level, Lexus is a hit with the fashionable consumer.

You could not have been more on point than that. In America, as is also the case in other markets there is only room for 3 big players and we all know who they are. All for different reasons. Lexus as you stated is the most referenced next to MB in Hip Hop culture. Hip Hop culture sets the trend for urban and non urban culture in America if not the world. Slang, fashion, car trends or anything else you can market. Whether your a fan of its music or not this cannot be ignored. Chrysler can't thank Hip Hop enough for its recent resurgance with its popularity. (peep the Snoop/Iacocca ads) And as you you stated Acura is dead among urban youth since it's Legend/Vigor series became RL and TL respectively.

You could not have been more on point than that. In America, as is also the case in other markets there is only room for 3 big players and we all know who they are. All for different reasons. Lexus as you stated is the most referenced next to MB in Hip Hop culture. Hip Hop culture sets the trend for urban and non urban culture in America if not the world. Slang, fashion, car trends or anything else you can market. Whether your a fan of its music or not this cannot be ignored. Chrysler can't thank Hip Hop enough for its recent resurgance with its popularity. (peep the Snoop/Iacocca ads) And as you you stated Acura is dead among urban youth since it's Legend/Vigor series became RL and TL respectively.
I was shocked when I heard Snoopdog's voice on a Chrysler commercial...I haven't seen it yet but I'm sure I heard his voice. Off topic a bit. Now that hip-hop has the country's attention, I wish more of the artists would use their influence more positively on our young people.
Back on topic. I often wonder why the RL doesn't get more love. It's very capable. Nicely appointed. Stylish and reasonably priced. Only rear wheel drive is missing. What gives?

About a month ago I took a trip up to the east coast. We stopped off at the Marriot in Atlanta went up through to the Virginia Bay Bridge tunnel to Chincoteegue, and around Delaware/Maryland/New Jersey. I saw a white R34 Skyline GTR near Atlanta, a Rolls Royce on the way, and a Masserati Quatroporte at a golf course in Delaware. Of the three cars listed I saw the most RLs on the way and on the east coast and the car is growing on me especially that dark grey color and the interior is just about perfection. I was temped to buy but they are way more then I should spend. I have only seen maybe 4 or 5 in Alabama. I saw a few new GS's but not as many as I would have expected with the good sales figures. Most were white but I did see a black one that looked very good. I have only seen 2 or 3 GS in Alabama. As far as Infiniti M's I think I only saw 1 the whole time I was there on the road which was surprising considering all the good reviews they are getting. It was a blue M35 without the sport wheels and did not look all that great, not nearly as good looking as the dark grey and black M45's with sport wheels I have seen at dealerships. I guess since the RL has been out a while longer and has standard AWD it is pretty popular on the east coast.

On the trip I was shocked at how many people were talking on cell phones while driving, when we drove near and through Atlanta there were alot more people talking on cell phones then who weren't, it almost seemed it was required there. On the trip you could pretty much tell who was on their cell phone because they would be weaving, driving slower then normal staying in the passing lane, and often cut you off or almost hit you. I know alot people talk and drive on cell phones but it was crazy just to see that many people doing it.

I was shocked when I heard Snoopdog's voice on a Chrysler commercial...I haven't seen it yet but I'm sure I heard his voice. Off topic a bit. Now that hip-hop has the country's attention, I wish more of the artists would use their influence more positively on our young people.
Back on topic. I often wonder why the RL doesn't get more love. It's very capable. Nicely appointed. Stylish and reasonably priced. Only rear wheel drive is missing. What gives?

You're right that's why there are a few that do. But unfortunately positivity rarely if ever sells records nor do their labels give budgets or the outright go-ahed to produce/promote this. A&R's sign some of the most ignorant acts many of which border on being minstrels.

As for Acura and it's woes. People who buy luxury cars want rear wheel drive. Also Acura has failed to appeal to any specific target group (in a general sense). Old men still love Caddy/Benz and Lexus. Young guys want BMW, Lexus and Benz (Infiniti and Acura are generally afterthoughts with the exception of G35s) I have yet to meet any guys (friends schoolmates, associates or hip hop artists) say I wanna cop that new Ac. It's something I just don't hear. maybe 10 yrs ago but definitely not now. While I do like the current RL for various reasons. There literally 30 other cars that I'd buy befor buying one. And part of it is because Acura has no sex appeal.

And as you you stated Acura is dead among urban youth since it's Legend/Vigor series became RL and TL respectively.

Seems ironic to me, since Acura seemed to be aping other manufacturers such as Lexus with their 2-letter titles (LS, GS)...but 'Legend' and 'Vigor' carry more meaning? Or rhyming capability? I guess "Lexus" is very 'rhymable'...

Seems ironic to me, since Acura seemed to be aping other manufacturers such as Lexus with their 2-letter titles (LS, GS)...but 'Legend' and 'Vigor' carry more meaning? Or rhyming capability? I guess "Lexus" is very 'rhymable'...

So I guess it's safe to assume you're a fan of hip hop.

My theory on why Legends and Vigors and to a lesser extent Infinitis Qs and J30s were very popular at one point is that at that time they were come up money affordable with a touch and look of luxury. Now that the "game" has changed and cats are making/seeing more money than ever before they have higher goals if you will. MB, Lex and Bimmers were always respected in the hood but now they are more attainable than they were at one time. An Acura just doesn't cut it anymore. They are held in the same regard as a Honda or Nissan. They are not even relevant in the eyes of many youth Black, White or otherwise.

I just got back from a 4-day weekend in L.A. As many of us know, southern California is a bellweather and trendsetter for the rest of the nation, especially when it comes to automobiles. Cars that are hot there generally become hot elsewhere in the country, even if it takes many months for the trend to move.

Whatever you want to make of it, I saw new RL's on the road like they'd been on sale for years. Everywhere I looked there was another new RL, in all different colors. Maybe it's only because Acura's HQ is there, but the new RL was literally all over the roads.

I saw a handful of new GS's. Not nearly as many as RL's, but enough to catch my eye. I only saw one GS430, and none of the GS300's were AWD, but that's to be expected in sunny SoCal. The GS is a bit more pricey and was released a few months later than the RL, so I guess that could explain the lower numbers.

I did not see a single M35/45. NOT ONE. I realize that my observations only make for one data point, and it was both a limited time span and a limited set of places I was looking, but given the number of other new Japanese luxury sport sedans I saw it was a bit suprising for me to not spot a single new Infiniti M.

Is this a sign of the future for these cars. Will one man's observations over a single weekend translate into nationwide long-term sales for these vehicles. Probably not, I admit, but I must also say that if I was a Nissan executive I would have been quite upset, disappointed, and worried...

I can say the same thing. Around here I see new GSs sometimes and plenty of new RLs all over... but I've seen ONE M before and it was a M35. Those things aren't selling for crap.

I laugh when the Infiniti fanboys come in and say how well the M is selling when NO ONE is buying it.

I can say the same thing. Around here I see new GSs sometimes and plenty of new RLs all over... but I've seen ONE M before and it was a M35. Those things aren't selling for crap.

I laugh when the Infiniti fanboys come in and say how well the M is selling when NO ONE is buying it.

I actually like the looks of the new M....well at least the TV spots are cool. If there is indeed a problem with M sales, will there be a second facelift? or will they just pack it in? I actually thout nissan had a hit on their hands but from what you guys are saying I guess not. Come to think of it, I have only seen one on the road in the past several months and I live in NY, where we pretty much get a mix of everything on any given day.

I actually like the looks of the new M....well at least the TV spots are cool. If there is indeed a problem with M sales, will there be a second facelift? or will they just pack it in? I actually thout nissan had a hit on their hands but from what you guys are saying I guess not. Come to think of it, I have only seen one on the road in the past several months and I live in NY, where we pretty much get a mix of everything on any given day.
The M is selling well by a few standards.
1. Its selling over 2,500 units a month, very solid performance.
2. Its seems it will meet Nissan year end target expectations.
3. Its selling well for an Infiniti. Thing is we have no idea how the new M45 is selling to the old one since they refuse to split the two models when its time to publish sales results.


So in reality, it is selling well, but we just are not seeing it. How can anyone pass up a deal like this for a brand new redesigned car, lol.

So I guess it's safe to assume you're a fan of hip hop.

My theory on why Legends and Vigors and to a lesser extent Infinitis Qs and J30s were very popular at one point is that at that time they were come up money affordable with a touch and look of luxury. Now that the "game" has changed and cats are making/seeing more money than ever before they have higher goals if you will. MB, Lex and Bimmers were always respected in the hood but now they are more attainable than they were at one time. An Acura just doesn't cut it anymore. They are held in the same regard as a Honda or Nissan. They are not even relevant in the eyes of many youth Black, White or otherwise.

Yeah, I agree with this. I don't really even consider Acura or Infiniti to be a luxury brand. These brands really don't cut it for me. I think many people associate Benz, BMW, and Lexus with $$$ and luxury not just people in the hood. Everytime I tell someone I got a Lexus they're like :eek2: :eek2: . This might be because of my age too but....

I laugh when the Infiniti fanboys come in and say how well the M is selling when NO ONE is buying it.

I laugh at your exaggerations. :D

The M is selling well by a few standards.
1. Its selling over 2,500 units a month, very solid performance.

True.

2. Its seems it will meet Nissan year end target expectations.

Also true.

3. Its selling well for an Infiniti. Thing is we have no idea how the new M45 is selling to the old one since they refuse to split the two models when its time to publish sales results.

It's nothing new and Infiniti isn't the only one that does this.

So in reality, it is selling well, but we just are not seeing it. How can anyone pass up a deal like this for a brand new redesigned car, lol.

Failing to see your point. Every company is having sales promotions around this time including Lexus.

I see his point. If it's selling like hotcakes there would be no need for ridiculously low-priced (and no doubt restriction-laden) sucker offers. On top of that, that kind of advertising does nothing to help the image of Infiniti as a luxury marque. BMW learned with the 318ti--you can't alienate your core customer base and sacrifice what sets you apart in the market just for a few low-margin sales. (BTW, my local Acura dealer has a sign out front advertising new RSX's for $399 a month, which galls me every time I see it for just the same reason.)

I never thought much of the new RL till I saw one in person. In black or dark grey, the car is beautiful in an understated sort of way.

Here in the San Diego area there are an increasing number of new GSs. I have also noticed a slow , but growing frequency in spotting the new Infinit Ms. The RLs on the other hand are still a pretty rare sight.

I never thought much of the new RL till I saw one in person. In black or dark grey, the car is beautiful in an understated sort of way.

Here in the San Diego area there are an increasing number of new GSs. I have also noticed a slow , but growing frequency in spotting the new Infinit Ms. The RLs on the other hand are still a pretty rare sight.

though I actually find the RL to be a good looking a car Black or any dark color will make any car with (with a strong exception to the Pontiac Azztek).

By the way this is my 100th post(finally). All rise!!!! Stand up and applaud. :woot:

$399 per month for the M. Big deal. I've seen lease deals for the 2006 GS for $449 per month.

And the main reason why there are good lease deals for the M is because the residuals are very high for this car, higher than the GS.

36 month residual according to Automotive Leasing Guide:

M35: 58%
GS300: 52%

Infiniti (like Mercedes) has never separated sales of the FX35/45 and the M35/45, and I doubt they ever will. But if people are really interested, manufacturer to dealer M35/45 allocations are in the range of 75/25 to 80/20. And Infiniti dealers are more willing to discount on the M35 rather than the M45 because they say that the V8 has been selling better than expected.

The M has been selling very, very well (2750 units last month, 3370 for the GS). This is for a vehicle that has little "brand" value and the fewest dealerships.

"I laugh when the Infiniti fanboys come in and say how well the M is selling when NO ONE is buying it."

Please do some research before you make baseless comments like this. Then maybe someone will take you seriously.

Fact is, the M is selling well by any standard. And it's gotten excellent reviews from car mags and mainstream publications (i.e. Consumer Reports #1 rated luxury sedan) alike.

The scarcity of sightings by some ClubLexus members notwithstanding, I doubt that any Infiniti executives are "depressed" by how the car is doing.

Yeah, I agree with this. I don't really even consider Acura or Infiniti to be a luxury brand. These brands really don't cut it for me. I think many people associate Benz, BMW, and Lexus with $$$ and luxury not just people in the hood. Everytime I tell someone I got a Lexus they're like :eek2: :eek2: . This might be because of my age too but....
This is reality. The only brands that come up in casual conversation that are not super brands, are BMW, Benz, lexus. The only time I hear a 2nd or 3rd tier luxruy brand question or comment, the person either owns the brand or likes it.

And BMW and Benz still own it. NO ONE can touch Benz. The 745 did WONDERS for BMW with the hip-hop/trendy crowd. But Benz, the S-class, CLS, and for some reason AMG seems to be more recognized than M.

When I talk to people and they talk about their "dream" car, as in the car they would love to own someday, its a BMW, Benz or Lexus.

all these cars look good ut let me add my 2 cents everyone is right when they say that when people talk about luxury its benz,mbmw and lexus but the g35 is the best looking car that ive seen from infinity so far. when i lived in baltimore in the late 90s it was kind of strange b/c all the young guys were driving q45s and i couldnt understand why i didnt see hardly ANY bmws the ls400 and the cs3/4 was pretty strong too. i of course was driving a 91ls at the time and every one thought i had all this money. even b4 i put the rims on the q45 couldnt stand up to me, if i saw a benz it was rare.im originally from ny so im used to seeing lots of benzes and bmws. now i fast forward to the present in ny and i see a few g35s but its like everyone has a gs whatever model i see crazy ls400. i even see alot of is300s. the benzes & bmws are still around but infinity is way behind. i dont have any #s like you guys but i can see whats all over the street. my 2 cents

I asked Brad Nelson who he thought Lexus's competition was. His response:

BMW and Mercedes.
Second tier: Audi, Cadillac
Don't really consider Acura a competitor, more like a car in between luxury and Toyota/Honda.

I mentioned he forgot Infiniti and Jaguar. He said he definitely considers Infiniti up there, I'm assuming on second tier, and he said he doesn't really consider Jag a competitor.

In the DC/Bawlmer area, I've seen a lot of RLs, slightly fewer GSs, and slightly fewer Ms, but I've seen a lot of each.

"I laugh when the Infiniti fanboys come in and say how well the M is selling when NO ONE is buying it."

Please do some research before you make baseless comments like this. Then maybe someone will take you seriously.

Fact is, the M is selling well by any standard. And it's gotten excellent reviews from car mags and mainstream publications (i.e. Consumer Reports #1 rated luxury sedan) alike.

The scarcity of sightings by some ClubLexus members notwithstanding, I doubt that any Infiniti executives are "depressed" by how the car is doing.

Maybe someone will take me seriously? ROFL Give me a break kid. Maybe you should do a little research into who you're talking to when talking of 'taking someone seriously'. I've only seen ONE M before and some elderly woman drove it. I see them packed up on the Infiniti lot and no one is buying it. I see it about as often as I see last-gen Q45s... around once every 3 or 4 months probably.

I see the sales figures but I don't see the cars :uh: and many others on this forum from all over the country have stated the same thing. Can you explain that? :sad:

Oh and uh... thanks for proving my point about the Infiniti fanboys :thumbup: :D :rolleyes:

Maybe someone will take me seriously? ROFL Give me a break kid. Maybe you should do a little research into who you're talking to when talking of 'taking someone seriously'. I've only seen ONE M before and some elderly woman drove it. I see them packed up on the Infiniti lot and no one is buying it. I see it about as often as I see last-gen Q45s... around once every 3 or 4 months probably.

I see the sales figures but I don't see the cars :uh: and many others on this forum from all over the country have stated the same thing. Can you explain that? :sad:

Oh and uh... thanks for proving my point about the Infiniti fanboys :thumbup: :D :rolleyes:

Speaking for the DC/Balto area as I did in my post above, saying there are relatively fewer Ms doesn't mean there aren't a lot. I still see Ms every time I'm out on the highway, just more of the others.

Posting personal observations of how many of each of the cars in question they see in their own area is quite meaningless :rolleyes: The sales #'s tell the true story. I personally have seen about equal #'s of GS & M, but the RL only twice. That doesn't mean a thing. Both the GS & M are doing better than projected & even the RL isn't doing that badly given that they don't have a V8 version & they have only one loaded model to choose from.

When I talk to people and they talk about their "dream" car, as in the car they would love to own someday, its a BMW, Benz or Lexus.

That will be the day when someone says. "My dream car is an Infiniti".

Edit: Hmmm i take that back, that could be reality to those who love Nissans. :)

Maybe someone will take me seriously? ROFL Give me a break kid. Maybe you should do a little research into who you're talking to when talking of 'taking someone seriously'. I've only seen ONE M before and some elderly woman drove it. I see them packed up on the Infiniti lot and no one is buying it. I see it about as often as I see last-gen Q45s... around once every 3 or 4 months probably.

I see the sales figures but I don't see the cars :uh: and many others on this forum from all over the country have stated the same thing. Can you explain that? :sad:

Oh and uh... thanks for proving my point about the Infiniti fanboys :thumbup: :D :rolleyes:

Sigh.

We have two "facts" here:

1) Sales numbers published by the manufacturer that say that the M is selling very well.
2) A few ClubLexus members who haven't seen the M that much on the road.

Now, which one has a greater statistical reliability in drawing a conclusion about how well the M is selling?

BTW, I won't stoop to your level and start calling posters "fanboys" and "kids" in a pejorative way.

That will be the day when someone says. "My dream car is an Infiniti".

Edit: Hmmm i take that back, that could be reality to those who love Nissans. :)

Yeah, few people would designate an Infiniti as their "dream" car. But that may change in a couple years now that they trademarked the GT-R as an Infiniti.

Of course, it could flop, but at least up until now, no Japanese car could rival the GT-R in street and track cred in terms of performance.

Yeah, few people would designate an Infiniti as their "dream" car. But that may change in a couple years now that they trademarked the GT-R as an Infiniti.

Of course, it could flop, but at least up until now, no Japanese car could rival the GT-R in street and track cred in terms of performance.
Cough cough, Toyota Supra, cough cough :)

To be honest, I think I like both pretty equally. But while I have ridden in and am active with the SUpra community, the GT-R is like a "Grail", mysterious, yet so wonderful.

Cough cough, Toyota Supra, cough cough :)

To be honest, I think I like both pretty equally. But while I have ridden in and am active with the SUpra community, the GT-R is like a "Grail", mysterious, yet so wonderful.

Well, the Supra comes close, but you gotta admit that it takes a second seat to the GT-R in the totem pole as far as Japanese performance cars go. The GT-R isn't called "battle god" in Japan for nothing.

I really hope they don't make the car all soft when they bring it to the States as an Infiniti.

Now, in terms of looks, I don't like the current GT-R. The last Supra was a better looking car. Anyways, I can't wait til they both come out. I forgot to add the Supra in the "most anticipated car" thread.

Yeah, few people would designate an Infiniti as their "dream" car. But that may change in a couple years now that they trademarked the GT-R as an Infiniti.

Of course, it could flop, but at least up until now, no Japanese car could rival the GT-R in street and track cred in terms of performance.

When you think Japanese peformance powerhouse, the MKIV Supra comes to mind. It's too bad Toyota never offered an AWD version of it. That would have been a true R33/34 competitor.

It's too bad the real Skyline GT-R's with real legendary engines never made it for regular sale in the Nissan lineup. RB26DETT is one awesome motor (my personal favorite is the R33). But in many ways the 2JZ-GTE is far superior. ;) Where's that one video of the MKIV eating up that R34 in a drag race in Japan? R34 had it off the line, but a few seconds later, the Supra killed it.

Whoa we're way off topic. Let's talk about the GS vs. the M and RL. :D

Well, the Supra comes close, but you gotta admit that it takes a second seat to the GT-R in the totem pole as far as Japanese performance cars go. The GT-R isn't called "battle god" in Japan for nothing.

I really hope they don't make the car all soft when they bring it to the States as an Infiniti.

Now, in terms of looks, I don't like the current GT-R. The last Supra was a better looking car. Anyways, I can't wait til they both come out. I forgot to add the Supra in the "most anticipated car" thread.
Well the thing is, the GT-R is god in Japan, but the Supra is the Japanese God in the USA. Wow, I don't think the Supra was sold in Europe. I know the GT-R was black imported though.

This I am not going to begin to argue, I love both cars dearly (Time for pics)
http://www.fantasycars.com/derek/cars/images/nissan/gtr_3.jpg
http://utopia.duth.gr/~nm4434/Toyota%20Supra%20BLACK.jpg

The best Japanese sports car ever made up to now in my book is the NSX .

The best Japanese sports car ever made up to now in my book is the NSX .

Amen, brother.

Amen, brother.

Though I do agree with you guys that the Acura NSX is the best Japanese supersports car, it's a liitle ironic considering Acura is beneath it's Japanese cousins Infiniti and the Almighty Lexus. I guess Honda got that race thing down but won't step up and make a real Luxury car for it's Acura division. They might wanna start with a RWD V8. :sad:

. . . They might wanna start with a RWD V8. :sad:
According to some rumours/reports, it's coming, but might not see it til 2009 . . .

The best Japanese sports car ever made up to now in my book is the NSX .
CHALLENGE!!!! :D :D http://www.works-y3f.com/m_cars/3_jpn/honda/NSXR/NSX-R.jpg

yeah that nsx has always been hot and when i hear guys with suped up cars talking they always talk about the supra like nothing can touch itbut i do have one friend that swears by the skyline