If you could put a manual in ANY car, that doesn't offer it, what would it be?
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If you could put a manual in ANY car, that doesn't offer it, what would it be?
In all honesty, I would LOVE to row the gears in a GS 430. Sign me up for that. 
I know there are way more desirable cars out there but, that is my choice.
And the M3 CSL and the CLK DTM. Both only available with SMG/auto.
I know there are way more desirable cars out there but, that is my choice.And the M3 CSL and the CLK DTM. Both only available with SMG/auto.
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I'm generally not a fan of manual trannies, especially in urban, congested areas, but if I had to pick only ONE car that does not offer one and REALLY needs one, it would not be the GS430 but the new upcoming IS350. It is ludicrous, IMO, even though the new IS250 WILL have a manual, for Lexus to advertise the new IS350 as a 3-series fighter and then make the SAME mistake with the new 350 that it made 4-5 years ago with the 2001 IS300....and the same mistake that Infiniti made with the G35 when it was introduced...the lack of a manual.
( flipside/ Ryan: .....if you're on the channel here.....you have ins with Lexus marketing. Why did they decide to make the same omission here they did in 2001? Didn't they learn their lesson back then? )
I'm going to have to cheat a little here, Mike....sorry.
There is ONE more car that REALLY needs a manual badly and doesn't have one.....the Lincoln LS. This car was introduced in 1999, and at the time was one of the best American-designed sedans on the road. It, too, was introduced, like a lot of sport sedans, as a BMW-fighter, but at first confined the manual transmission ONLY to the V6 with Sport package....NOT the V8.
Lincoln not only ignored the criticism for this by NOT adding the manual transmission to the V8 like it should have, but then made an even worse decision by DROPPING it altogether from the V6 as well.....only automatics are sold now.
As a result , BMW....even with the lousy Chris Bangle cars.......is clobbering it in the marketplace.
( flipside/ Ryan: .....if you're on the channel here.....you have ins with Lexus marketing. Why did they decide to make the same omission here they did in 2001? Didn't they learn their lesson back then? )
I'm going to have to cheat a little here, Mike....sorry.
There is ONE more car that REALLY needs a manual badly and doesn't have one.....the Lincoln LS. This car was introduced in 1999, and at the time was one of the best American-designed sedans on the road. It, too, was introduced, like a lot of sport sedans, as a BMW-fighter, but at first confined the manual transmission ONLY to the V6 with Sport package....NOT the V8.
Lincoln not only ignored the criticism for this by NOT adding the manual transmission to the V8 like it should have, but then made an even worse decision by DROPPING it altogether from the V6 as well.....only automatics are sold now.
As a result , BMW....even with the lousy Chris Bangle cars.......is clobbering it in the marketplace.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
I'm going to have to cheat a little here, Mike....sorry.
There is ONE more car that REALLY needs a manual badly and doesn't have one.....the Lincoln LS. This car was introduced in 1999, and at the time was one of the best American-designed sedans on the road. It, too, was introduced, like a lot of sport sedans, as a BMW-fighter, but at first confined the manual transmission ONLY to the V6 with Sport package....NOT the V8.
Lincoln not only ignored the criticism for this by NOT adding the manual transmission to the V8 like it should have, but then made an even worse decision by DROPPING it altogether from the V6 as well.....only automatics are sold now.
As a result , BMW....even with the lousy Chris Bangle cars.......is clobbering it in the marketplace.
There is ONE more car that REALLY needs a manual badly and doesn't have one.....the Lincoln LS. This car was introduced in 1999, and at the time was one of the best American-designed sedans on the road. It, too, was introduced, like a lot of sport sedans, as a BMW-fighter, but at first confined the manual transmission ONLY to the V6 with Sport package....NOT the V8.
Lincoln not only ignored the criticism for this by NOT adding the manual transmission to the V8 like it should have, but then made an even worse decision by DROPPING it altogether from the V6 as well.....only automatics are sold now.
As a result , BMW....even with the lousy Chris Bangle cars.......is clobbering it in the marketplace.
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Originally Posted by jet864
I don't think anything would beat shifting a 6 speed twin turbo V12 while driving the SL65. The GS would be fun, as would an RS6, but the SL65 gets my vote.
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The T/C and stability control would be constantly dialing back the power through the clutch or working the brakes...and the clutch would end up vibrating. Even with the electronics turned off, the BIG torque would probably cause other clutch problems as well. I don't think M-B owners shelling out 100K-plus for a car would put up with that.....they have to put up with enough other M-B problems.
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acura 3.2 tl type s.. it comes manual in japan.. but if they would give it here, that would be great.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
That engine has so much torque I think it would be difficult to design a smooth clutch for it.
The T/C and stability control would be constantly dialing back the power through the clutch or working the brakes...and the clutch would end up vibrating. I don't think M-B owners shelling out 100K-plus for a car would put up with that.....they have to put up with enough other M-B problems.
The T/C and stability control would be constantly dialing back the power through the clutch or working the brakes...and the clutch would end up vibrating. I don't think M-B owners shelling out 100K-plus for a car would put up with that.....they have to put up with enough other M-B problems.
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