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Billh2
12-14-05, 05:47 PM
Does it seem that you get treated differently driving one of these cars by other drivers? It may be because there are so few Lexuses in this area, but I have noticed different attitudes when driving my car as opposed to my wife's Taurus. I have thought about this for a long time and can almost predict what other people do depending on which car I am driving. Anyone had the same experience?

GSteg
12-14-05, 05:57 PM
I think the general idea of people who own lexus are people who's mature, richer, and well off in life. You get more respect. Status symbol I guess.

blacksc400
12-14-05, 06:48 PM
I felt the same... I drove my friend's accord the other day the way I drive my lexus... I get horned, fingered... alll kind of ^%#$%#!!

e-man
12-14-05, 07:01 PM
Bill -- I never noticed your sig. That's quite a list you've got there. Of all the cars listed, which was the fastest off the line? I gotta believe it was the Cobra, right?

tmf2004
12-14-05, 08:39 PM
I think people that see us driving these cars think we are rich or have money.. Fo example my old neighbor always brings up money when i go to the grocery store because he works there.. He always makes comments about wanting to borrow money but says it in a jokingly fashion ... So I'm thinking to myself dude i make 20 bucks an hour how can i have money....... That ain't **** these days either :uh:

I think lexus alone is a status symbol in its self :) I mean we are driving great looking cars and when we mod them they look even better...So people in general will gualk and make comments etc.. So i think that happens wherever you go anyway... Its just peoples persona towards something they don't have...

Tony

chuckb
12-14-05, 09:27 PM
I'm a Realtor. sometimes I feel like people don't list with me because I drive a nice Lexus so they think I don't need the money. maybe I should get a ford taurus. :uh:
what do you guys think? would you rather see your Realtor show up in a nice Lexus or a minivan?

bizzy928
12-14-05, 09:42 PM
would you rather see your Realtor show up in a nice Lexus or a minivan?

It really depends on the person.

Personally A minivan would be ideal, spacious, safe etc. But some people won't be seen in one!

encore888
12-14-05, 10:15 PM
Drive a Lexus up to the fast food outlet...and you get 'I like your car' or 'nice car' often... :)

...occasionally perhaps a snotty driver with a beat-up car may drive funny around you...and BMWs like to pass you (although that might be my imagination).

Best of all is to be around lots of Lexus'...I also remember a guy in a shiny new 3GS who rocketed by our Lexus.

PhilipMSPT
12-14-05, 11:16 PM
I do have to admit, driving a Lexus does bring about a sense of style, not so much status symbol.

Generally, people who drive Lexus value comfort and reliability more than performance and status symbol, which reflects the personalities of people that I know who drive them.

We drive around in our Lexus knowing that our commute will actually be something we look forward to doing, rather than hating. Lexus drivers do not race with you, and that's a good thing. The 5 Freeway is not a race track, although BMW and Honda Civic owners think otherwise!!! We drive around knowing that we chose the right car that will be safe, reliable, quiet, and accommodating, and damn all those that mock those values. We drive Lexus knowing that although it isn't perfect, we can be far worse. People (I guess) respect that mentality and quietly admire that.

In other words, when one Lexus owner sees another, we sort of say: "Are you Gellin'?" "Yeah, I'm Gellin'..."

bizzy928
12-15-05, 12:06 AM
In other words, when one Lexus owner sees another, we sort of say: "Are you Gellin'?" "Yeah, I'm Gellin'..."

Well put! :thumbup:

INHOCJP
12-15-05, 12:10 AM
Treated differently? Nope, not here is So. Cal. Lexus, BMW, MB are a dime a dozen, very common.

But if you see someone rolling in a Bentley Continental GT, heads start turning :thumbup:

rominl
12-15-05, 12:17 AM
Treated differently? Nope, not here is So. Cal. Lexus, BMW, MB are a dime a dozen, very common.

But if you see someone rolling in a Bentley Continental GT, heads start turning :thumbup:
well, actually, compare if you drive the new GS or driving a sienna van, i am pretty sure you will be treated differently :)

trust me my friend has confirmed :)

drink300
12-15-05, 12:32 AM
I personally don't think the Lexus is much of a status symbol. I still think most people picture an overgrown Toyota. I think people in Benz and BMWs get more respect overall.

I've always had mixed feelings when I roll up to a stop light next to an S500. I know my car is better, and that I make better monetary decisions, but I can't help but want to drive their "status symbol".

Lastly, if you are dealing with poor-to-middle class folks, they WILL be impressed. However, when I deal with upper class folks, they always ask me when I will trade in my Toyota for a "real car". Especially the ones who owned a Benz in the glory days of the 80s.

drink300

tuddy
12-15-05, 12:52 AM
In other words, when one Lexus owner sees another, we sort of say: "Are you Gellin'?" "Yeah, I'm Gellin'..."

most def bro :thumbup: :thumbup:

JJG2005
12-15-05, 01:02 AM
I get treated a lot differently for my cars... being 18.

Over the weekend some people I've hung out with several times, but am not too close to, thought I was at least like 7 years older than I am, because of what I drive.

A few days later I met this girl, who saw my car, and heard me refer to MY exhaust falling off. She's like
"wait... is that your car?'
"Yeah."
"It's not your parents?"
"No... it's mine... in fact I have two.
" "WOW where do you work!!"
"hahaha, they're nothing special, I bet you paid more for your Cavileer"

The next day I was with my friend and one of his friends... the kid (friend of my friend) was drunk and acting like he had a ton of money and what not... I know the kid has money, because of some "supplemental income" he gets. So, I agreed, that he had more money in his pocket, when he bet me that he did. Later we were walking out to the car, and I beeped my keyless entry, and he runs over to my hood, dusts the Lexus logo out from under the snow, and was like "Daaamn, Lexus!! Nice!!". Coming from the big baller that was a good feeling lol.

lexusk8
12-15-05, 07:24 AM
Drive a Lexus up to the fast food outlet...and you get 'I like your car' or 'nice car' often... :)
Happened to me one time at a Wendy's drive-thru when I had my '96 ES :D

Just to touch on the topic at hand, I get all kinds of compliments at my old workplace and the school I go to now. However there comes a time sometimes where I wish I was driving an old school beater just to shield myself from the "spotlight" :rolleyes:

tmf2004
12-15-05, 08:00 AM
Well i have to agree with the earlier post that the Lexus is more of a driving style along with reliability and comfort... There's alot of ES's and SUV lexus around my town but not alot of GS's. Everyone i see that drives a GS is the older women or man... like 60's and 70's.. :) I've only seen one other younger guy driving a GS 430 working out at the Gym... His trainer told me that his parents bought it for him and they were loaded....

In anyevent people just stereotype you thinking we have money driving a GS.. I'm sure alot of us work hard to drive these cars.. Its pretty funny because when i see a Benz AMG, M3 etc.... I say to myself man thats i nice car or thats fast as hell, not realizing that most of us are sitting in at one point almost a 50 thousand dollar car when braqnd new...

sockfocks
12-15-05, 08:29 AM
...occasionally perhaps a snotty driver with a beat-up car may drive funny around you...and BMWs like to pass you (although that might be my imagination.

yeah i get that too...lol, Whats with the BMW drivers?

chuckb
12-15-05, 08:43 AM
yeah i get that too...lol, Whats with the BMW drivers?

I just do the same thing to them :D
I had some chic in a 3 series try me just the other day :nono: :driving: :hello:

spwolf
12-15-05, 10:21 AM
It depends where you are at. When you pull up next to the banged up Taurus, then obviously its driver is going to look at new lexus as status symbol. When you drive up next to the brand new RR, then obviously you wont be seen in same style, although they might still think "nice car".

Lil4X
12-15-05, 11:01 AM
RX's are relatively common now, still I get good treatment by practically everyone.

In the spring of '00, I took a new RX 300 on an extended cross-country expedition. With only a few hundred miles on the clock, I embarked on a 6800 mile, three-week trip. The biggest stares I got, as you might expect were in Wyoming, Idaho, Oregon, Washington and Utah. It wasn't because it was a Lexus - I don't think that was the issue. Back then the RX style was like nothing else on the road. Today, every small to mid-sized SUV in the US is trying to imitate it.

INHOCJP
12-15-05, 11:36 AM
well, actually, compare if you drive the new GS or driving a sienna van, i am pretty sure you will be treated differently :)

Ha, ok, you got me there :D

SC400-V8
12-15-05, 11:41 AM
So I'm thinking to myself dude i make 20 bucks an hour how can i have money....... That ain't **** these days either :uh:



Tony

$20/hr is a substantial hourly rate and i dont think anyone in my area makes a wage that high on an hourly basis.

O. L. T.
12-15-05, 12:12 PM
Funny thread. Every site I go to all owners have a sense of pride in their cars and think they have the best car. I go to the BMW board and they are saying the same thing about their cars and it's prestige. I go to the vette forums and they are self indulged in their history and their vette badge. I go to the Porsche forum and it's all about the Porsche name, the twisties, the turbo AWD's.

My point is that it's perspective, not the car. Everyone thinks they have "the car". Driving a Lexus is not different IMO than a BMW or Porsche or Vette. All are upper level cars and all have good points.

ANYONE in a '76 mercury is going to give you the finger no matter what you drive. You may have the advantage in your 1995 Lexus GS at the stop light on market street, but go two roads over to MLK blvd and you are sitting beside an Enzo and now your the dude in the hooptie drooling at the Enzo with your saliva on the armrest.

Perspective is the key. There's always something nicer out there. Lexus is a nice, conservative car for smart people with good sense. You may be looked at as a person with taste by driving one, but noone is going to ogle your car in holy worship. While someone is staring at your car, you are too busy to notice because you are staring at something else on the other side.

So to answer the question, no. There's nothing more special about a Lexus than a BMW or Benz or Vette or Porsche when it comes to red light stares, they are all on a higher level than a gremlin so naturally the guy in the gremlin is going to look.

So you bought a car on level 2, good for you. There's plenty on higher levels ( Rolls, Bentley, Ferrari, etc.....) So in terms of the food chain, it's a nice car.......... that's about it. I love my Lex, but I don't worship it because I am not blind to the fact.

INHOCJP
12-15-05, 01:03 PM
Perspective is the key. There's always something nicer out there. Lexus is a nice, conservative car for smart people with good sense. You may be looked at as a person with taste by driving one, but noone is going to ogle your car in holy worship. While someone is staring at your car, you are too busy to notice because you are staring at something else on the other side.

Great post :thumbup:

e-man
12-15-05, 02:00 PM
Here's the other thing. Many of us are the 2nd owners of our GS's (including me). My 99 had an MSRP of about $55k when new. I paid $16,600 for it 6 months ago. Chances are that many of us paid much, much less for our cars than the pissed-off guy in the lane next to you driving a 3-year-old Ford Taurus, Pontiac Grand Prix, Dodge Intrepid, etc.

rominl
12-15-05, 02:12 PM
Here's the other thing. Many of us are the 2nd owners of our GS's (including me). My 99 had an MSRP of about $55k when new. I paid $16,600 for it 6 months ago. Chances are that many of us paid much, much less for our cars than the pissed-off guy in the lane next to you driving a 3-year-old Ford Taurus, Pontiac Grand Prix, Dodge Intrepid, etc.
yeah of course. 3 yrs from now i think won't think of us driving a luxury car at all :D time to change, haha

sockfocks
12-15-05, 02:21 PM
yeah of course. 3 yrs from now i think won't think of us driving a luxury car at all :D time to change, haha

:uh: Can you run that through the translator Spock?

mmarshall
12-15-05, 02:28 PM
Owning a Lexus doesn't necessarily mean you are rich, especially if you lease, which helps a lot of people get into more expensive cars than they could otherwise afford. Leasing is what basically keeps the luxury car market in buisness.

And you don't necesarily have to be rich even to buy a Lexus outright. While I am a long ways from poor, I am not a particularly rich person either, especially in my high-income DC area. .....I make just about what is per capita for my county....Fairfax County, VA. But yet I owned and drove an Lexus IS300 for years that I bought brand new for cash and my trade-in...didn't even have to finance it. A lot depends not only on your income but what your expenses and bills are.

sockfocks
12-15-05, 02:39 PM
I eventually bought my GS because I had good experience with the ES I bought in 2000. At the time I was leaning toward an LS but wanted something sporty. The GS is sweet looking, really sweet when you modify it with class. I didn't buy it because it was a status symbol. I bought the GS because I wanted one. Plain and simple. :)

Neo
12-15-05, 02:50 PM
Here's the other thing. Many of us are the 2nd owners of our GS's (including me). My 99 had an MSRP of about $55k when new. I paid $16,600 for it 6 months ago. Chances are that many of us paid much, much less for our cars than the pissed-off guy in the lane next to you driving a 3-year-old Ford Taurus, Pontiac Grand Prix, Dodge Intrepid, etc.
Yeah, make some of us who paid MSRP in 97 feel bad. :cry:

:p :D

O. L. T.
12-15-05, 02:57 PM
Yeah, make some of us who paid MSRP in 97 feel bad. :cry:

:p :D
I've noticed on the car's I have purchased new there is a very special bond that is not there with a used auto. ........the bond that goes beyond the 5 years of whining at the bank :D

mmarshall
12-15-05, 03:21 PM
ANYONE in a '76 mercury is going to give you the finger no matter what you drive. .

Well, drive through isolated and backward places in states like West Virginia or Arkansas, and that is what you are likely to run into........drivers with rusting 30-year old cars, some of them up on blocks.

JLSC4
12-15-05, 04:06 PM
... So I'm thinking to myself dude i make 20 bucks an hour how can i have money....... That ain't **** these days either :uh:
...Tony

Damn, $20 an hour! I'd kill to make $15 right now.
I make $9.90 an hour right now.
Yes, you do have money.

:uh:

e-man
12-15-05, 04:47 PM
Here's the other thing. Many of us are the 2nd owners of our GS's (including me). My 99 had an MSRP of about $55k when new. I paid $16,600 for it 6 months ago. Chances are that many of us paid much, much less for our cars than the pissed-off guy in the lane next to you driving a 3-year-old Ford Taurus, Pontiac Grand Prix, Dodge Intrepid, etc.

Just to be clear, I wasn't trying to make the original GS owners feel badly that they paid more than us second owners. My point was that when that person pulls up next to you in their $20,000+ late model American-made car, there's a pretty good chance that we actually paid less for our GS than they paid for their car, so they have no right to be judgmental.

Billh2
12-15-05, 04:48 PM
Bill -- I never noticed your sig. That's quite a list you've got there. Of all the cars listed, which was the fastest off the line? I gotta believe it was the Cobra, right?

Actually, the absolute fastest for just sheer straight line power was the 427 Fairlane. It was in the top 1% of muscle cars in the late 60's, early 70's. With 3.23 gears, 165 MPH was no problem. I ran it with 5.13's for a while, never got it to properly hook, it would run low 12's at over 117 MPH in the quarter. I found out that Ford only ever made 7 that particular model. Ancent history now, the car was totalled in 1976,

rheiy
12-15-05, 05:14 PM
I'm a Realtor. sometimes I feel like people don't list with me because I drive a nice Lexus so they think I don't need the money. maybe I should get a ford taurus. :uh:
what do you guys think? would you rather see your Realtor show up in a nice Lexus or a minivan?
Chuck:
Unless your dealing with high end clients, I don't think it matters if you show up in a Lexus, Mini van or some other late model car. As long as the vehical is clean and has ample room to seat your clients, your fine. However, just don't show up in a pontiac aztek...that might scare them off :yikes:
btw, my daughter is a realtor in norcal and she's doing just fine using her 2004 camry

PhilipMSPT
12-15-05, 05:18 PM
Unless your dealing with high end clients, I don't think it matters if you show up in a Lexus, Mini van or some other late model car. As long as the vehical is clean and has ample room to seat your clients, your fine.
I read somewhere that the number one vehicle for Realtors is the RX; big and comfy enough for long rides and it pleases alot of clients. Better to have a reliable SUV than a compact sedan or coupe.

My friend who's a realtor has a 2001 RX330 with Nav. It helps her find the houses she's selling, and after four years, she has near 150k miles on it!

mmarshall
12-15-05, 05:18 PM
Actually, the absolute fastest for just sheer straight line power was the 427 Fairlane. It was in the top 1% of muscle cars in the late 60's, early 70's. With 3.23 gears, 165 MPH was no problem. I ran it with 5.13's for a while, never got it to properly hook, it would run low 12's at over 117 MPH in the quarter. I found out that Ford only ever made 7 that particular model. Ancent history now, the car was totalled in 1976,

Interesting. Like you, I grew up with 60's and early 70's muscle cars. I don't remember a 427 Fairlane. I do remember the 427 ( and the 427 wedge) in a number of other Fords. However, I'll take your word for it.....as you say, it was very rare, with only 7 made. My first reaction was I'd have to actually see it beat the 427 AC Cobra, though to believe it....but again, if you actually saw it, I'll take your word for it. The 427 Cobra was a wicked machine....it would handily dust off triple-deuce 427 Corvettes and even some dual-quad 426 Hemis like powder. It had a reputation as the king of the drag strip.......I was not aware of any other stock production cars in the 1960's that could outrun it from 0-60 or in the quarter.
The Fairlane, BTW, was replaced by the Torino in 1968...an even better-looking car.

But....since this thread is about driving a Lexus, let me just say that, quality-wise, most of those 60's cars compared to today's Lexus products were junk. GM had some nice bodywork and interior detail, Chrysler had a few durable engines and automatic transmissions, and Ford had some good brakes and paint quality, but that was about it.

Billh2
12-15-05, 05:19 PM
Just to be clear, I wasn't trying to make the original GS owners feel badly that they paid more than us second owners. My point was that when that person pulls up next to you in their $20,000+ late model American-made car, there's a pretty good chance that we actually paid less for our GS than they paid for their car, so they have no right to be judgmental.

I have a firend who has a new Mustang. He was giving me a bad time about my Lexus - "Gee, I wish I COULD AFFORD to drive a Lexus!" He didn't know what to say when I offered to trade him straight across. He paid about 10K more for his Mustang than I did for my GS. (I would have sold the Mustang and bought another Lexus) :D

Billh2
12-15-05, 05:30 PM
Interesting. Like you, I grew up with 60's and early 70's muscle cars. I don't remember a 427 Fairlane. I do remember the 427 ( and the 427 wedge) in a number of other Fords. However, I'll take your word for it.....as you say, it was very rare, with only 7 made. My first reaction was I'd have to actually see it beat the 427 AC Cobra, though to believe it....but again, if you actually saw it, I'll take your word for it. The 427 Cobra was a wicked machine....it would handily dust off triple-deuce 427 Corvettes and even some dual-quad 426 Hemis like powder.
The Fairlane, BTW, was replaced by the Torino in 1968...an even better-looking car.

Oh no, let's not get confused here. The Cobra I had was a 289. Quite fast in it's own right. As fast as the Fairlane was in was NOT in the same class as a 427 Cobra. (Same engine, about HALF of the weight) Ford made 427 Fairlanes in 1966 and 1967. Total production run was a couple of hundred. They did use a de-tuned 427 in 1968 but since the 427 was a hand built race engine it was not practical. What they ended up using was the 428. Entirely different engine,

mmarshall
12-15-05, 05:38 PM
Oh no, let's not get confused here. The Cobra I had was a 289. Quite fast in it's own right. As fast as the Fairlane was in was NOT in the same class as a 427 Cobra. (Same engine, about HALF of the weight) Ford made 427 Fairlanes in 1966 and 1967. Total production run was a couple of hundred. They did use a de-tuned 427 in 1968 but since the 427 was a hand built race engine it was not practical. What they ended up using was the 428. Entirely different engine,

Thanks.....that clears up a few things. There indeed was a difference between the 289 and 427 AC Cobras.....but as you say the 289 was no slouch either.

The Ford 428, as I remember, came out in the fall of 1968 for 1969-model Mustang Mach 1's, Torino Cobras, and Mercury Cyclones and was nicknamed the Cobra Jet. It was rated at only 335 HP ( probably for insurance reasons ) but actually ran a lot more....especially in the torque department. Interestingly, it did not make the Cougar Eliminator, which, I think, used the 429 Boss engine like the Boss Mustang.

Billh2
12-15-05, 05:53 PM
Thanks.....that clears up a few things. There indeed was a difference between the 289 and 427 AC Cobras.....but as you say the 289 was no slouch either.

The Ford 428, as I remember, came out in the fall of 1968 for 1969-model Mustang Mach 1's, Torino Cobras, and Mercury Cyclones and was nicknamed the Cobra Jet. It was rated at only 335 HP ( probably for insurance reasons ) but actually ran a lot more....especially in the torque department. Interestingly, it did not make the Cougar Eliminator, which, I think, used the 429 Boss engine like the Boss Mustang.

I don't think Ford ever put the Boss 429 in the Cougar. A little known fact is that when the Boss 429 was released, it was a giant disappointment. We were expecting low 12, high 11 second street car. In fact it was just slightly faster than a non drag pack Cobra Jet Mustang. The reason was Ford produced the car with an extremely small carb and to get it into a Mustang chassis, had to use very restrictive exhaust manifolds. The local dealer had six Boss 429's at one time. They took one (A white '69) and installed a set of headers and a Holley 3BBL carb. Woke it right up. We were told that those modifications made over 100 HP difference!

e-man
12-15-05, 06:06 PM
I find this conversation fascinating. Absolutely fascinating. How did the AC 427 Cobra stack up against the 68 (or was it 67) L88 Vette?

1SICKLEX
12-15-05, 06:16 PM
I can say that as superficial and idiotic it is, my life changed totally when I got my ES when I was 18 years old, my 2nd year of college.

Yes people treat you different when you drive a Lexus. As a BMW or Benz.

mmarshall
12-15-05, 06:18 PM
I don't think Ford ever put the Boss 429 in the Cougar.

Looks like we're both correct. A search of Internet records for this car showed it to be on the Eliminator's option list but only a couple were actually installed at the factory.

mmarshall
12-15-05, 06:26 PM
I can say that as superficial and idiotic it is, my life changed totally when I got my ES when I was 18 years old, my 2nd year of college.

Yes people treat you different when you drive a Lexus. As a BMW or Benz.

Well, Mike....looks like you and me have more in common than we thought. At that age.....late teens.....I didn't mind driving a nice cushy, soft-riding car like the ES either. And trust me.....I grew up not only with muscle cars, but with some REAL big, heavy, library-quiet, pillow-soft riders too. My dad, after retiring from the Army, worked for Philco-Ford and used to bring home 5500-lb. Lincoln Continentals and 4600-lb. Mercury Marquis every night. He would toss me the keys and say " Here, enjoy yourself....just put some gas in them ". ( He knew I was sensible and trustworthy and would not wreck them....and I didn't ). And, yes....they DID use gas....lots of it.....at 100 octane.

1SICKLEX
12-15-05, 06:39 PM
Well, Mike....looks like you and me have more in common than we thought. At that age.....late teens.....I didn't mind driving a nice cushy, soft-riding car like the ES either. And trust me.....I grew up not only with muscle cars, but with some REAL big, heavy, library-quiet, pillow-soft riders too. My dad, after retiring from the Army, worked for Philco-Ford and used to bring home 5500-lb. Lincoln Continentals and 4600-lb. Mercury Marquis every night. He would toss me the keys and say " Here, enjoy yourself....just put some gas in them ". ( He knew I was sensible and trustworthy and would not wreck them....and I didn't ). And, yes....they DID use gas....lots of it.....at 100 octane.
LOL, yeah, guess we like the plushness!. I wish the IS was out back in 1996 or I would have gotten that. I also looked at the Mitsu Diamante, Acura TL 2.5, Acura CL 2.2 (the 3.0 wasn't being made yet), the Nissan Maxima ( I wanted a Nissan SO BAD, as my current car was a Nissan Sentra but I could not get past the looks). I really was a Nissan guy, not a Toyota one.

Your lucky, my dad was never into cars at all. He only got into them AFTER I got the ES and now he refuses to drive or buy anything else.

Funny how things change huh?

mmarshall
12-15-05, 07:29 PM
Your lucky, my dad was never into cars at all. He only got into them AFTER I got the ES and now he refuses to drive or buy anything else.

Funny how things change huh?

My dad was never really into luxury cars either. He liked the Chrysler slant-sixes and small V8's for their durability and economy. He would only bring home the dinosaurs because they were a company perk and he knew I liked to try them out.......but he told he he would never own one.

I agree with you the ES is an addicting car. For the money it is the best entry-level luxury car on the planet. I almost wish I had gotten one instead of the IS300 I drove for years but the IS'es yellow paint, chrome ball shifter, and chronograph gauges blew me away.

e-man
12-15-05, 08:04 PM
I agree with you the ES is an addicting car. For the money it is the best entry-level luxury car on the planet.

I totally agree with you about this. Prior to my addiction to GS's, I had my wife's old 99 ES300 for about 2 years. What a great car. It was such a joy to drive. I am really looking forward to the release of the 2007 ES350 in the spring. Assuming prices don't blow up, it will remain one of the best values out there (especially with the new 3.5).

chuckb
12-15-05, 08:46 PM
I had an ES for 4 yrs before the GS and it also hooked me on Lexus. still have the 95 ES too. :)

BTW-stock for stock, the 95 ES handles much tighter and flatter than the GS.

e-man
12-15-05, 08:52 PM
BTW-stock for stock, the 95 ES handles much tighter and flatter than the GS.

Interesting observation. The ES definitely doesn't shudder like the GS does on uneven surfaces.

Lexmex
12-15-05, 11:05 PM
I live where no Lexuses are sold...Mexico City...and I get a lot of looks at my RX. People ask what it is (badgeless on the backside) all the time. The snobbish looks usually come from other luxury suv owners, especially ALL of the ones that have eaten my dust at the track. :D

Billh2
12-15-05, 11:16 PM
I find this conversation fascinating. Absolutely fascinating. How did the AC 427 Cobra stack up against the 68 (or was it 67) L88 Vette?

Asbolutely no comparison. In all candor, the Chev engine probably put out more power. The thing that screwed the Vette was the fact that it was around 800 to 1000lbs heavier. NHRA had two sports car classes. A and B Sports Production (A/SP and B/SP) The Cobras owned both classes. Jaguar advertised the XK-E would go from 0 to 100MPH in (I think) 14 seconds. Ken Miles, driving a 427 Cobra went from 0 to 100 and back to 0 in 14 seconds.

ocean350
12-15-05, 11:57 PM
Perhaps, it happens that there are not many 'luxury cars' in your area?
if you live in 'green-rich' environment, like silicon valley, LA, or any other cities in USA, a lexus is nothing much but another car rolling on the streets... The fact is that there are way too many 'HIGH end' (100K+) cars in USA...aren't there?
i just think that...
What people see in you is not what you have, its more about what you are...

cheers,

mmarshall
12-16-05, 04:55 AM
I live where no Lexuses are sold...Mexico City...and I get a lot of looks at my RX. People ask what it is (badgeless on the backside) all the time. The snobbish looks usually come from other luxury suv owners, especially ALL of the ones that have eaten my dust at the track. :D


Keep a close eye on it...and consider some anti-theft devices like a steering-wheel club, engine immobilizer, LOJACK, ( if available there ), etc.... I know it has a standard factory alarm.

I say this because stolen SUV's are a hot item in Latin America primarily because of the lousy roads, and some of those admiring looks that you describe from onlookers there may not be so innocent....although the RX is not as well suited to off-roading as truck-based SUV's.

e-man
12-16-05, 07:49 AM
Asbolutely no comparison. In all candor, the Chev engine probably put out more power. The thing that screwed the Vette was the fact that it was around 800 to 1000lbs heavier. NHRA had two sports car classes. A and B Sports Production (A/SP and B/SP) The Cobras owned both classes. Jaguar advertised the XK-E would go from 0 to 100MPH in (I think) 14 seconds. Ken Miles, driving a 427 Cobra went from 0 to 100 and back to 0 in 14 seconds.

I heard that (about the 0-100-0). I don't know if this is urban legend or not, but when I was growing up, I heard that there was a Shelby owner (perhaps Shelby himself) that would stick a $100 bill in the passenger sun visor and tell the passenger that if he could grab the bill under hard acceleration, he could keep the $100 bill AND the owner would turn over the title to the car. Probably just an urban legend.

sockfocks
12-16-05, 08:00 AM
I heard that (about the 0-100-0). I don't know if this is urban legend or not, but when I was growing up, I heard that there was a Shelby owner (perhaps Shelby himself) that would stick a $100 bill in the passenger sun visor and tell the passenger that if he could grab the bill under hard acceleration, he could keep the $100 bill AND the owner would turn over the title to the car. Probably just an urban legend.

I read that in a Car Craft magazine...I think it was Shelby. Did he do a special version of the Dodge Viper? If he did...the author of that article was put to the same challenge but it was in a Viper instead with Shelby driving I believe.\

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4161/is_200310/ai_n12878997

manila_boy
12-16-05, 03:54 PM
I drove my friends carrera 4S, people are staring at me, smile and a :thumbup: , i drove his CLK55-cars around me are trying to avoid me :confused: specially when i change lanes they literally give u space to go through BUT when i drive my GS4 i get all of these things! :thumbup: :D


BMW people...whay can't they get along specially M3 owners :confused:

Billh2
12-16-05, 04:09 PM
I read that in a Car Craft magazine...I think it was Shelby. Did he do a special version of the Dodge Viper? If he did...the author of that article was put to the same challenge but it was in a Viper instead with Shelby driving I believe.\

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4161/is_200310/ai_n12878997

The $100.00 on the dash is legend. As far as the 0 - 100 - 0 goes, That was actually done with a 427 Cobra in 1965. Shelby was deeply involved in the Viper development (The fact that it's called a "Viper" is no coincidence, the Cobra name is owned by Ford). There are plenty of cars today that will do that, in 1965 it was quite a feat.