Just a few that stand out.

Dodge Neon 62.2%
Chrysler Sebring 52.6%
Pontiac Grand Am 71.5%
Ford Taurus 76.0%
Pontiac Grand Prix 52.2%
Chevrolet Impala 62.1%
Ford Crown Victoria 79.6%
Pontiac Bonneville 55.1%
Toyota Camry 14.0%
Honda Accord 2.1%
Mazda 6 27.5%
Nissan Altima 12.2%
Nissan Maxima 18.7%
Chrysler 300 21.0%
Ford 500 10.4%
Chevrolet Malibu 47.9%

Infiniti G35 8.8%
Acura TL 1.5%
Lexus ES330 1.8%
BMW 325 2.4%
Volvo S60 23.2%
Cadillac CTS 7.5%
Lincoln Town Car 41.0%

Just about all Luxury cars had a great majority of fleet sales going to commercial and business use. Those of domestic makes were used for Rental and Government. Oh and surprisingly a bigger majority of G35 fleet sales went to Rental. Go figure.


A COMPLETE LIST CAN BE FOUND HERE
http://www.fleet-central.com/af/t_pop_pdf.cfm?action=stat&link=http://www.fleet-central.com/af/stats2005/cars_web.pdf

The Camry was 14%. Versus the Accord at 2.1%. So I guess the Accord was actually the best selling retail car?

Total 2005 Camry sales = 431,703, minus 14% fleet ~ = 371,264 retail sales.

Total 2005 Accord sales = 369,293, minus 2.1 % fleet ~= 361,538 retail sales.

So I think the Camry is still ahead in retail sales.

Total 2005 Camry sales = 431,703, minus 14% fleet ~ = 371,264 retail sales.

Total 2005 Accord sales = 369,293, minus 2.1 % fleet ~= 361,538 retail sales.

So I think the Camry is still ahead in retail sales.

I see. Accord sales kinda crapped out a bit this year. Sonata seems to be hurting the Accord more than the Camry.

I see. Accord sales kinda crapped out a bit this year. Sonata seems to be hurting the Accord more than the Camry.
a lot of last 2 month Sonata spike in sales came from fleet as well... Any stats on that magneto?

a lot of last 2 month Sonata spike in sales came from fleet as well... Any stats on that magneto?

EVERY single car sold in the USA is in the link above. :)


Hyundai Sonata 26.5%

a lot of last 2 month Sonata spike in sales came from fleet as well... Any stats on that magneto?
Ok, so Sonata had 26% fleet sales. Ans also, this is for mid year sales, from oct 2004 to march 2005.

Aditionally, keep in mind that not all fleet sales are the same. Some manufacturers give huge fleet rabates, some do not. For example, fleet rabate for Camry is $900, and is the biggest in Toyota cars (0 to prius although 2.x% were sold to fleets). Sonata fleet rabate is from $2,000 to $2,500. Maxima that sold a lot to fleets, got $1k rabate.

The 26% figure for the Sonata is for the last few months of the last model year for the previous generation. They were probably selling to fleets at a higher rate to clear way for the all new model. In the first half of 2004, Sonata fleet sales were 15%.

We don't have any stats yet on the current generation. I doubt that fleet sales for the current model is 26%.

Total 2005 Camry sales = 431,703, minus 14% fleet ~ = 371,264 retail sales.

Total 2005 Accord sales = 369,293, minus 2.1 % fleet ~= 361,538 retail sales.

So I think the Camry is still ahead in retail sales.

The Camry has another model to add to those numbers that the Accord does not have. I believe the Camry Solara "convertable" is also counted as Camry sales which the Accord does not have a convertable model to compete with so that might be what it putting total Camry sales over Accord sales even for retail purchase.

Those American cars are basically made to be rentals and it just so happens people buy them at dealerships sometimes, is what that chart is saying.

And Nissan seems to not mind that path either, though not as bad. Leave it to the Frenchies :D

The Camry has another model to add to those numbers that the Accord does not have. I believe the Camry Solara "convertable" is also counted as Camry sales which the Accord does not have a convertable model to compete with so that might be what it putting total Camry sales over Accord sales even for retail purchase.

it doesn't really matter, as its camry model's vs accord model's

The 26% figure for the Sonata is for the last few months of the last model year for the previous generation. They were probably selling to fleets at a higher rate to clear way for the all new model. In the first half of 2004, Sonata fleet sales were 15%.

We don't have any stats yet on the current generation. I doubt that fleet sales for the current model is 26%.
actually, last two months in 2005, Sonata sales doubled, mostly from fleet sales to rentals...
Their fleet discount for NEW Sonata's was from $2,000 to $2,500...

actually, last two months in 2005, Sonata sales doubled, mostly from fleet sales to rentals...
Their fleet discount for NEW Sonata's was from $2,000 to $2,500...

Where do you get the fleet info for the last two months?

The 26% figure for the Sonata is for the last few months of the last model year for the previous generation. They were probably selling to fleets at a higher rate to clear way for the all new model. In the first half of 2004, Sonata fleet sales were 15%.

We don't have any stats yet on the current generation. I doubt that fleet sales for the current model is 26%.

You'll be shocked how many new Sonatas are in Hertz and Enterprise's fleets here in CA. Even the other smaller rental agencies are carrying them heavily.

You'll be shocked how many new Sonatas are in Hertz and Enterprise's fleets here in CA. Even the other smaller rental agencies are carrying them heavily.
there is nothing wrong with that BTW, as long as Hyundai is making money on them. It will lower the resale though Jrock, which is something to think about - you spend more on Toyota now, but you sell it easier and for more later on...

You'll be shocked how many new Sonatas are in Hertz and Enterprise's fleets here in CA. Even the other smaller rental agencies are carrying them heavily.

I'm not shocked at all. I'm sure that there are a higher percentage of fleet Sonatas than Camrys and Accords.

there is nothing wrong with that BTW, as long as Hyundai is making money on them. It will lower the resale though Jrock, which is something to think about - you spend more on Toyota now, but you sell it easier and for more later on...

It will definitely lower resale... which does level out total ownership costs if you're selling within 6 years or so.

But it's not a bad idea for a company like Hyundai to sell their cars to fleets more. Hyundai still has a bad reputation among the general public and most won't even give a Hyundai dealership the time of day. Through rentals, Hyundai can get people into good products like the Sonata and have them thinking, "Hey, these cars ain't that bad at all."

You said that Sonata sales doubled within the last 2 months and that most of the increase was from fleet sales. That suggests that fleet sales were like 30% to 40% in the last 2 months. I was just curious where I can get that kind of recent fleet data.

It will definitely lower resale... which does level out total ownership costs if you're selling within 6 years or so.

But it's not a bad idea for a company like Hyundai to sell their cars to fleets more. Hyundai still has a bad reputation among the general public and most won't even give a Hyundai dealership the time of day. Through rentals, Hyundai can get people into good products like the Sonata and have them thinking, "Hey, these cars ain't that bad at all."

You said that Sonata sales doubled within the last 2 months and that most of the increase was from fleet sales. That suggests that fleet sales were like 30% to 40% in the last 2 months. I was just curious where I can get that kind of recent fleet data.
i read it in some post somewhere, i am sure info will be available relativly soon anyway on fleet news site. Again, nothing wrong with fleet sales, if you can make money with them...

The Camry has another model to add to those numbers that the Accord does not have. I believe the Camry Solara "convertable" is also counted as Camry sales which the Accord does not have a convertable model to compete with so that might be what it putting total Camry sales over Accord sales even for retail purchase.
I think when people are comparing Camry & Accord sales, most are more interested in comparing the sedan versions as a family car, & those should account for most of their sales. Since neither Toyota nor Honda seperate out the sales figure of the sedans, there's really no way one can be sure from the published figures.

You'll be shocked how many new Sonatas are in Hertz and Enterprise's fleets here in CA. Even the other smaller rental agencies are carrying them heavily.

Well, the new Sonata is a pretty nice car. That shows that some rental firms are starting to spend their money wisely. ;) I guess they are getting tired of buying junk.

The Camry has another model to add to those numbers that the Accord does not have. I believe the Camry Solara "convertable" is also counted as Camry sales which the Accord does not have a convertable model to compete with so that might be what it putting total Camry sales over Accord sales even for retail purchase.

I doubt it. Accord sales also include the Accord coupe, just like the Solara is included in Camry sales.

And as mentioned, this data is not for 2005, but for Oct 2004 - March 2005. We don't have data yet for all of 2005.