51 more tonight. He just amazes me, and I don't give praise alot. I am only 25, so I wasn't able to analyze MJ like I can analyze players now....but Kobe has to be right there for his age. The guy is going to get the Lakers into the playoffs and heck, who knows from there. If there is 1 player who can carry a team to a title, it is him. His stock has really risen this year.....the new shoe, the makeup with Shaq......seems like he has left his past behind, which is good.

Kobe gets a :thumbup: from me.

The guy is truly amazing. If he isn't the best player in the game who is?

The guy is truly amazing. If he isn't the best player in the game who is?

The other choice would be LeBron James, who wasn't absent on the day his coach taught him the concept of passing.

He had a great game last night until the overtime. He put up bad shot after bad shot and they lost. Lamar fouling out didn't help but he was just forcing some crazy shots.

Any player in the guard position is going to have the oppurtunity to score points and rack up assists. When you are Kobe Bryant and your teammates are mediocre at best, I think it would be wise to take your chances with his shooting abilities. There is no doubt that Kobe Bryant is great. He could use some help though. We'll see how he does in the playoffs because to me the regular season dosen't mean squat :) To me LeBron James has surpassed Kobe Bryant in terms of where Kobe was at, at 'Brons age. LeBron just needs some championship wins under his belt to shut any critics up :)

i think he is reading his press releases now b/c he has no team concept even if they are mediocre at best besides itshis fault LA isso said right now

I would agree with you toad that I would like my chances with Kobe's shooting ability but he can get better shots than he was taking in that overtime last night.

MJ was plain unique and kept consistent and always brought up his teammates.

I remember the first game I watched him and it seemed like everyone around him was just slow. You knew when he had the ball that everyone else was in orbit around him.

yesterday was a very dissapointing defeat.... but the lakers beat them selves not the Queens ..... and this has been the case all year .....we make mistakes which cost us the game if we minimize the mistakes we win a hell of alot more games ....which is the next step :thumbup:


KOBE!!! MVP!!!

is it funny that KOBE doesnt have a nickname



I guess if you that good you dont need one :thumbup:

LeBron is amazing too, do not get me wrong. He is NOT Kobe. Kobe has 3 rings, end of story. Is Lebron better than Kobe was at his age? Yes. But....will LeBron have 3 rings in another 5 years? No, he will not have one even. LeBron seems to be missing the mental game Michael had....and that Kobe has. Kobe is a loner....like Michael was. LeBron is awesome......but he just won't ever be Kobe.

LeBron is amazing too, do not get me wrong. He is NOT Kobe. Kobe has 3 rings, end of story.


End of story, are you kidding me? If that's all you want to compare than Robert Horry is better than both of them, 5 rings :eek2: That's a poor arguement when you're discussing the better individual player in a team sport, championships are won by a team.

End of story, are you kidding me? If that's all you want to compare than Robert Horry is better than both of them, 5 rings :eek2: That's a poor arguement when you're discussing the better individual player in a team sport, championships are won by a team.
yes but Shaq wouldnt have any rings W/ Kobe and the other way around too... but they both will still have rings w/o Horry except that year against sacrament (maybe ) someone else could have made that shot

My point is that I don't believe you can base whose the better individual player on championship rings, ie Kobe 3 vs. LeBron 0 or Kobe 3 vs. Horry 5, I just don't agree with that arguement by itself when he says end of story, like that's the only reason needed to say Kobe is better than LeBron.

I think Lebron James and Tracy McGrady are the closests to Kobe but still not that close to be argued as Better.

Any player in the guard position is going to have the oppurtunity to score points and rack up assists. When you are Kobe Bryant and your teammates are mediocre at best, I think it would be wise to take your chances with his shooting abilities. There is no doubt that Kobe Bryant is great. He could use some help though. We'll see how he does in the playoffs because to me the regular season dosen't mean squat :) To me LeBron James has surpassed Kobe Bryant in terms of where Kobe was at, at 'Brons age. LeBron just needs some championship wins under his belt to shut any critics up :)
Kobe averaged 30pts WITH Shaq, and they won the Championship. The first Laker to do so in over 30 years I think.

The dude is the best, everyone pretty much recognizes it. He is one of the few that is FULFILLING his potential.

34pts a game is RIDICULOUS, only Mike scored more in a season as a guard recently (A.I scored in the low 30s, which is awesome too)

So what makes Michael Jordan so good then scruffdogg? Is it just because he has 6 rings?

Individually, LeBron is not Kobe, with or without the rings. The Cavs HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN TO THE PLAYOFFS! Explain that!

Explain to me why the Cavs have not been the the playoffs despite having a top 5 center and an awesome shooting guard in Larry Hughes? Or how could they not get there in a weak East when they had an all star in Boozer and Z with LeBron (not to mention Ricky Davis). Kobe has NO ONE...and they will make the playoffs. Lamar Odom isn't that good, I never knew what the hype about him was.

LeBron has great potential but just like when Kobe was younger (and took MJ some years, too) he still needs to polish his game.

So what makes Michael Jordan so good then scruffdogg? Is it just because he has 6 rings?

No, It's not just because he has the rings that makes him the best. Just like there are players with more rings than Kobe like Horry who aren't anywhere near the player that Kobe is.

Individually, LeBron is not Kobe, with or without the rings. The Cavs HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN TO THE PLAYOFFS! Explain that!

I actually agree with you that Kobe is a better player than LeBron, never said otherwise but it's not ONLY because of his 3 championship rings.

So are you saying a player can't be better than another player if one has a ring and another don't, that was the only point I was trying to make, not trying to say LeBron was better than Kobe.

Another example of why I don't like that arguement, who's better:
Scottie Pippen, Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, or Larry Bird

Out of that list how many times do you think Pippen is the pick because he's got 6 rings?

yes but Shaq wouldnt have any rings W/ Kobe and the other way around too... but they both will still have rings w/o Horry except that year against sacrament (maybe ) someone else could have made that shot
without mr. clutch alot of rings would be in jeopardy, horry has hit more meaningful shots than kobe can dream of,kobe is a great player but until he takes a team to the championship on HIS back........ and shaq could have won rings without kobe, but im not sure kobe could do it withj any other big man besides duncan

I agree that Kobe is a great player, but he has his faults.

No doubt there's no better clutch performer in the game today (aside from Horry), but to be truly considered along the MJ ranks, there are a few flaws:

- He doesn't pass in scoring situations - I.E. so many times this year I've seen D George or Smush on the break pointing up for Kobe to alley oop it, but he never passes. Kobe does pass, but its only out of the double team or to swing the ball to the other side of the court. MJ would pass, and it would be a pass that leads directly to a score (jump shot passes for example to Horace Grant for a layup, or those draw and kicks to Paxson). I never see Kobe do this, and it's a part of getting your teammates involved.
- Relies too much on the jumpshot - with the talent that he has, he could drive to the basket at will and either get to the foul line, dump pass to a big for a layin (they never dunk), or kick out for a open three. No doubt he has better range than Jordan, but Jordan still had a 50% career FG percentage. If Kobe can post 34ppg with a 50% FG percentage, then we're talking.
- Gambles too much on defense - when is the last time we've seen a straight steal-breakaway jam out of Kobe? His defense has fallen a bit in recent years. He's still a good defender when he's motivated (vs Lebron for example), but he puts the rest of the defense at risk with his lunges in the passing lanes.

Kobe's still young, and I think as he gets older (and slower) he'll develop more of a post-up game (like Jordan's fadeaways). Speaking of which, the post-up game in the triangle offense is what made MJ great in his later years. He'd be a threat to score on a fadeaway J, fake the fadeaway and pass it to an open big, or drive to the basket and get fouled.

Okay, I'm done. :p

Kobe is great player. He has the rings becuase of Shaq and Phil...Period. Put Lebron in the same scenario and he has the rings. Kobe is not MJ, he is Kobe. The difference is MJ made his team chmpions and even prolong some careers becuase he made his teamamtes better. We all saw what ahppened to Scottie,Horace,BJ,Bill,Will,Stacey,John and the gang post MJ. :thumbdn: They either faded away,retired or moved on to management positions. Kobe and Lebron have the physical tools to be Jordan-like. Lebron had the physical attributes earlier in his career. Lebron needs some better shooters on his team(not great,just better!), Kobe needs some maturity and wisdom. If he would have been more mature,he could have worked WITH Shaq and Phil. Then he would have had more rings than MJ & Co.

I was referring to this season. He did well with Shaq but he alone is carrying the Lakers now and not doing a bad job of it either - but I want to see how they perform in the playoffs..last year they weren't so hot.

Cough cough...81 points.

Kobe has NO ONE to pass to. John Paxson....Scottie Pippen....Kobe would pass to them as well.

Instead Kobe has Lamar Odom and Smush Parker.

No doubt Kobe HAS to carry the load with the lack of talent on this team, and the funny thing is, everyone knows this and they still can't stop him. I don't think it will take them far in the playoffs but it is a treat to watch for a basketball fan :thumbup:

81 points..wow. It's games like that which already have him at legendary status... I hold MJ high however (72W-10L season is hard to rival) - but Kobe is definitely a close second as of right now...

.... We all saw what ahppened to Scottie,Horace,BJ,Bill,Will,Stacey,John and the gang post MJ. :thumbdn: They either faded away,retired or moved on to management positions.

Actually Wil Purdue and Steve Kerr helped the Spurs win 2 rings, Horace Grant and Ron Harper played with the Lakers when they did their 3-peat. So I guess they weren't as unproductive as you thought. Granted they were only role players, but isn't that what they were with Jordan?

I don't like the MJ/KB comparisons but if anybody listens to Stephen A.'s radio show on ESPN/ABC radio Raptors Coach Sam Mitchell just paid KB the ultimate compliments.
Of course, he drew the comparisons to MJ saying he witnessed Jordan's scoring tirades as a player but has NEVER seen anything like KB last night. (Hell, few have right? ha ha)
Then he went on to say if you're going to make those MJ/KB comparisons it boils down to their mental make-up, desire and will to win, and extreme confidence/belief in themselves. He had plenty other accolades for KB as well.
Now that coming from a former player and now coach that you just demolished is HIGH praise. :thumbup:

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/5722/comparison0wy.jpg

damn, talk abotu similar

The one thing people don't talk about is that my man Kobe got his eight one against the sorry a## Raptors MJ got his 69 against the nba champs celtics being only 23 years old at the time against hall of famers I know I'm only 27 but the league is so water down now If mike were playing against the cats with the no hand checking rule it would be scary very scary .

Kobe is great player. He has the rings becuase of Shaq and Phil...Period. Put Lebron in the same scenario and he has the rings. Kobe is not MJ, he is Kobe. The difference is MJ made his team chmpions and even prolong some careers becuase he made his teamamtes better. We all saw what ahppened to Scottie,Horace,BJ,Bill,Will,Stacey,John and the gang post MJ. :thumbdn: They either faded away,retired or moved on to management positions. Kobe and Lebron have the physical tools to be Jordan-like. Lebron had the physical attributes earlier in his career. Lebron needs some better shooters on his team(not great,just better!), Kobe needs some maturity and wisdom. If he would have been more mature,he could have worked WITH Shaq and Phil. Then he would have had more rings than MJ & Co.

shaq needed kobe and kobe needed shaq... phil is just phil.. if we had lebron instead of shaq wouldnt you say the lakers would win 3 rings also?and you right kobe is not MJ but he is the closes thing to him... and when mj did retire the first time..i remember scottie took them to the 2nd round or was it the ECF sorry forgot...can u say that if kobe retired odom can take the lakers that far? i bet he would take them to the lottery ;)

I had to post this. This was in the Chicago Tribune today, a comparison of both Kobe and MJ after their first 666 games. MJ blows him out in alot of the categories...a true testament to MJ. I did not realize how unclose the stats were.

Age after 666 games....Kobe is 27, MJ 30.
Seasons...Kobe 10, MJ 9.
Points....Kobe...15,436 and MJ 21,520
Per game average.....Kobe is 23.1 and MJ 32. 3
Rebounds....Kobe.....3426 and MJ is at 4213
Assists....Kobe.....2955....MJ 3929
Steals....Kobe has 964 and MJ had 1812
FG Percentage.....kobe at 45.2.....MJ at 51.6
High Game....81 for Kobe and 69 for MJ
50 plus games....Kobe had had 9....MJ had 26!
60 plus games.....Kobe had 2....MJ 4!
NBA titles....3 each.

I had to post this. This was in the Chicago Tribune today, a comparison of both Kobe and MJ after their first 666 games. MJ blows him out in alot of the categories...a true testament to MJ. I did not realize how unclose the stats were.

Age after 666 games....Kobe is 27, MJ 30.
Seasons...Kobe 10, MJ 9.
Points....Kobe...15,436 and MJ 21,520
Per game average.....Kobe is 23.1 and MJ 32. 3
Rebounds....Kobe.....3426 and MJ is at 4213
Assists....Kobe.....2955....MJ 3929
Steals....Kobe has 964 and MJ had 1812
FG Percentage.....kobe at 45.2.....MJ at 51.6
High Game....81 for Kobe and 69 for MJ
50 plus games....Kobe had had 9....MJ had 26!
60 plus games.....Kobe had 2....MJ 4!
NBA titles....3 each.


yes but one thing you forget is kobe had shaq who was the main scorer or even scorer
MJ was always the main scorer (sp?) :uh:

he had to share the ball.... MJ didnt .

So how does Kobe have 1500 less assists then?

So how does Kobe have 1500 less assists then?
let me get back to you :uh:

Mj is killing him on assists which equal scoring oppurtunities..which equal wins... how many total wins / losses did MJ have at 666 games vs Kobe's W/L record?

I love both guys so I can be unbiased.
1. Jordan was given the green light by his coach his rookie year. He was ALWAYS the man. HE could always do what he wanted. I do believe he was a better defender, his steals are much better.
2. Kobe came off the bench his 1st 2 seasons, avg like 7 points and 13 points, this will hurt his overall avg. He was not THE main option until last season. He did avg 30 points WITH Shaq one season.

Remember, Jordan was the man, Pippen was the next man.
With Kobe, he wasn't the next man until the Lakers got Shaq. he was behind Eddie Jones his first few seasons. Then with Shaq there, he was the man, Kobe was the Pippen.

It was not until last year, Kobe could be compared truly to Jordan.

Jordan also retired a season and 3/4s so Kobe can catch up to him by the time he is thirty, except in scoring average.

yes but one thing you forget is kobe had shaq who was the main scorer or even scorer
MJ was always the main scorer (sp?) :uh:

he had to share the ball.... MJ didnt .

Also Kobe didnt average any minutes his first two seasons pretty much as a Laker....he was riding the pine. So you should only count Kobes last 8 seasons. Plus Shaq, Eddie Jones, Nick Van Exel were considered bigger go to guys then Kobe at the time.
The numbers should be closer, but MJ is still the man.

i also agree, this past two yrs were where kobe really comes up big on avg. obvious these two yrs been his best.

how about putting kobe's these two yrs with MJ's best two seasons?

Kobe may be despised, but still good for NBA
Randy Hill / Special to FOXSports.com
Posted: 1 day ago

The more conservative-minded watchdogs of sporting and cultural protocol have placed Kobe Bryant in a category also occupied by Lee Harvey Oswald
Kobe, they say, is acting alone.

It's a notion that's difficult to dispute. Bryant, the relentless scoring machine employed by the Lakers, put up 81 points in Sunday night's victory over the Toronto Raptors.

According to longtime Raptors insiders, Kobe seemed even more unstoppable than Isiah Thomas at the trading deadline.

But in making 81 represent more than the neutral-colored jersey number of Terrell Owens, Bryant has raised some interesting questions.

Here's one: Is the lone-gun approach good for the Lakers?

Here's another: Is Bryant's assault on the scoreboard good for the NBA?

At the calculated risk of alienating alleged purists who also whine about the league's post-and-stand philosophy, I'll offer an emphatic "yes" to both questions.

To supplement your expected bickering, we'll begin with the Lakers.

With Phil Jackson back in the catbird seat, it might seem that the All-Kobe, All-The-Time attack should have been retired weeks ago. Sure, Phil publicly recognizes a need for more productivity from other members of Bryant's suborning cast.

But, in addition to being steadfast in his me-over-we approach, Phil also happens to be a smart guy. And smart guys who coach realize that playing to your strength is a fine way to win games.

Please note that a Lamar Odom line-drive 3-pointer is not the Lakers' strength. The Kwame Brown drop-step-and-brick is not the Lakers' strength, either. The Smush Parker spot-up three is a nice sidebar created by the Kobe Show, but it also fails to qualify as the Lakers putting their best feet forward.

The Chris Mihm jump hook should be utilized more often, but it might help if Chris worked harder at achieving post position.


Pass or shoot? For Kobe Bryant, sometimes shooting isn't just the best option, it's the only option. (Noah Graham / Getty Images)

Anyway, while the defensive attention Kobe receives helps each of his starting cronies make at least 45 percent of their field-goal tries, it does not suggest that they need to shoot more often.

If you insist on looking at some numbers, we'll offer wins and losses. For example, when Kobe scores 40 or more points, the Lakers are 8-5. When he doesn't, they're 14-14. When he scores 60 or more, they're 2-0. I'm sort of kidding about the last set of numbers.

Bryant has averaged 43.3 points over the past 15 games (the Lakers are 9-6 in that span), shooting 46.6 percent from the floor while registering four assists. While this seems like no recipe for a championship, it's the best that can be done with what's in the kitchen.

By the way, the Lakers bagged a solid 47 percent of their shots from the field in that triumph over the Raptors, while ringing up a reasonable 14 turnovers. It's not wildly efficient, but is an improvement over what frequently occurred last season.

With numbers on the table, we now slide over into Michael Jordan territory. Please don't roll your eyes (roll someone else's). Some of the same people who now handle MJ's legacy with fierce reverence are the same knuckleheads who blasted him for being selfish when he was Bryant's age.

These knuckleheads have attempted to seize their upgraded basketball-knowledge certificates by reminding us that Jordan became a true champion after Phil convinced him to give up the ball more often.

Really?

Well, a review of the numbers reveals that in the three years preceding the Chicago's Bulls' first three-year title spree, MJ checked in with just over 1,900 field-goal attempts per season.

In the Bulls' first three championship campaigns, Jordan — averaging fewer minutes, by the way — still managed to squeeze off 1,886 shots per season. In Chicago's second, three-year title run, MJ launched another 1,880 per year.

What a difference. This statistical blitzkrieg is not attempted to discredit Jordan, who happens to be the greatest player in basketball history. It does attempt to prove that sometimes offensive balance is less important than offensive efficiency. It also doesn't attempt to make the case that Kobe will reach MJ-caliber greatness.

But we can insert this observation from Jackson:

"I've seen some remarkable things, but I've never seen anything like this before."

This doesn't imply that Phil liked it, although he was pleased to win.

Also note that when the passing mood hit him, Jordan could whip the ball to shooters named John Paxson and B.J. Armstrong. Kobe's Lakers don't have anyone with a shooting touch that deserves to be mentioned in this paragraph.

Jordan also had Scottie Pippen, who — despite some peculiar episodes — was far more reliable than the similarly talented Odom.

At power forward, Jordan was able to have a bit more confidence in kicking the ball to Horace Grant than Kobe has been able to muster with Kwame.

Let's spin over to our second question regarding Bryant's importance — vis-à-vis this recent scoring outburst — to the league.

At this juncture, Kobe is generating a great deal of NBA interest at a time when the NFL usually runs away with most of the sports-media attention. And this has as much to do with Bryant's image as his array of offensive weapons.

Frankly, Kobe has become the guy many sports observers (outside of L.A.) love to hate. According to the unchallenged sharpies at GQ magazine, Bryant is the fifth-most despised athlete on the planet.

Some of you would have cast a vote for Ron Artest, but it's not easy hating someone who rarely plays.

Great teams often produce strong feelings of dislike, but the San Antonio Spurs — Eva Longoria and Tony Parker notwithstanding — just seem too darned nice. The Detroit Pistons eventually may be more than a slouch, but their current potential to be disliked is no match for that of The Palace's public-address character.

That leaves us with Bryant, whose single-minded approach has captivated the nation's lust to hate something. That status recently was jeopardized when former teammate Shaquille O'Neal stopped by to shake Kobe's hand.

But less than a week later, Kobe rallied to score 81 points and lead the Lakers to victory in a game they trailed by 18 in the third quarter.

Even after the outcome was considered, the haters began lining up. It's interesting that Kobe's recent 62-point effort — which Bryant put a stop to after three quarters — mustered similar outcries of disgust.

If he's going to be selfish, it was argued, he should respect the fans enough to go all the way in this selfishness.

Perhaps the Lakers' talent will improve in the coming years and assist Bryant in returning to a championship level. But I'm hoping Kobe takes a different path than the one MJ floated over.

I have no interest in watching another sidetracked 6-foot-6 guy being humiliated by the curveball.

Veteran columnist Randy Hill is a frequent contributor for FOXSports.com.

without mr. clutch alot of rings would be in jeopardy, horry has hit more meaningful shots than kobe can dream of,kobe is a great player but until he takes a team to the championship on HIS back........ and shaq could have won rings without kobe, but im not sure kobe could do it withj any other big man besides duncan
i feel what your saying is very unfair cuz pip and ker made alot of those big shots too..every team needs good ROLE PLAYERS.... also saying shaq COULD have won rings without kobe is a guess.. he didnt win any when he had a healthy penny on his team..and with the look of it now im pretty sure he is not going to win anymore rings....heck he didnt win any till phil came to town ...so i can safely say that all three needed each other.. kobe is only 27 and has atleast a GOOD 5 more year till he starts slowing down...i cant say that for shaq....even tho he is still top 5 in the L i dont see him getting any more rings... age is catching up to him fast...

I love both guys so I can be unbiased.
1. Jordan was given the green light by his coach his rookie year. He was ALWAYS the man. HE could always do what he wanted. I do believe he was a better defender, his steals are much better.
2. Kobe came off the bench his 1st 2 seasons, avg like 7 points and 13 points, this will hurt his overall avg. He was not THE main option until last season. He did avg 30 points WITH Shaq one season.

Remember, Jordan was the man, Pippen was the next man.
With Kobe, he wasn't the next man until the Lakers got Shaq. he was behind Eddie Jones his first few seasons. Then with Shaq there, he was the man, Kobe was the Pippen.

It was not until last year, Kobe could be compared truly to Jordan.

Jordan also retired a season and 3/4s so Kobe can catch up to him by the time he is thirty, except in scoring average.

One problem with this is that in MJ's second season he missed 67 games due to injury. So trying to discount Kobe's 1st 2 years is not as relevant. Maybe on a per game basis, but in terms of overall points or playing time, it isn't.

The other issue, is that when Jordan was the man, all teams set their defense against him. Kobe his first few years had the protection of Jones and Shaq around to deflect the defensive attention away from him, leaving him with more opportunity, not less. With more defensive attention MJ's FG percentage is still 6.4 points higher. Maybe Jordan had the green light from his coaches, but defenses were more geared toward stopping Jordan than they were for Bryant.

These issues also need to be factored into your thought process.

Which team do you think was better the 95-96 bulls 72-10 or the lakers who went 15-1 in the playoffs> My choice would be the 95-96 bulls. also Mike in all his years with the Bulls he never missed the playoffs and before Pippen he had some very bad teams in a whole lot better NBA in the mid 80's.

One problem with this is that in MJ's second season he missed 67 games due to injury. So trying to discount Kobe's 1st 2 years is not as relevant. Maybe on a per game basis, but in terms of overall points or playing time, it isn't.

The other issue, is that when Jordan was the man, all teams set their defense against him. Kobe his first few years had the protection of Jones and Shaq around to deflect the defensive attention away from him, leaving him with more opportunity, not less. With more defensive attention MJ's FG percentage is still 6.4 points higher. Maybe Jordan had the green light from his coaches, but defenses were more geared toward stopping Jordan than they were for Bryant.

These issues also need to be factored into your thought process.
the stat is based on the first 666 games, so injuries aren't really a problem here.....

and no, the first two yrs didn't mean more chances for kobe. when you are on the bench, come out only for mins, and you are not the go-to guy, who cares if not all the defence are on you. you have less defence but you have less chance to get the ball with anyway

the stat is based on the first 666 games,

I know, but the post I was responding too specifically mentioned the 2 year period, that is why I made the comment.

and no, the first two yrs didn't mean more chances for kobe. when you are on the bench, come out only for mins, and you are not the go-to guy, who cares if not all the defence are on you. you have less defence but you have less chance to get the ball with anyway

I didn't mean to infer that he had more chances than Jordan, just that when he did get his chances, he had less defense to deal with than Jordan. Which no matter how you look at it does make a difference.

Well no one answered me but...this is pretty relevant...How many minutes does Kobe have in the first 666 games? and how many W / L?

What about Jordan?

If one has substantially less minutes than the other then that could mean alot.

Well no one answered me but...this is pretty relevant...How many minutes does Kobe have in the first 666 games? and how many W / L?

What about Jordan?

If one has substantially less minutes than the other then that could mean alot.
you brought up two excellent stat that should be included here!!!

If you are going to argue that (Win-Loss) and minutes...then one should also include shots taken. You may sit here and say Kobe has played fewer minutes....but while he was playing he has taken more shots than MJ did I would bet.