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bitkahuna
02-22-06, 09:09 AM
Honda to sell low-cost hybrid car in 2007/08: paper

Wed Feb 22, 1:44 AM ET

Honda Motor Co. (7267.T) plans to sell a low-cost hybrid car, a version of its popular Fit subcompact, a Japanese daily reported, signaling the auto maker's long-term commitment to the fuel-sipping powertrain.

Japan's third-biggest auto maker aims to sell the Fit hybrid as early as next year for around 1.4 million yen ($11,790), or about 200,000 yen more than the gasoline-only version, likely making it the world's first hybrid to cost less than 2 million yen ($16,840), the leading Japanese business daily said on Wednesday.

The model could be launched in the business year starting April 2007 and would be sold globally, the paper said.

A spokesman denied Honda had made any decision on whether to hybridise the Fit, but added it had the technological wherewithal to mount its hybrid system, which twins an electric motor and a conventional engine to save fuel, on most of its vehicles.

Chief Executive Takeo Fukui has long said the price premium for a hybrid over a gasoline-only car needs to fall below 200,000 yen ($1,680) for the powertrain to go mainstream.

With hybrid systems still costing auto makers -- and customers -- thousands of dollars, Fukui has said Honda had not made a strategic decision yet to produce the gasoline-electric vehicles in big volumes, unlike rival Toyota Motor Corp. (7203.T), which has aggressively promoted their proliferation.

A decision to offer a hybrid version of the mass-volume Fit -- Honda's best-selling model in Japan and due to debut in the United States soon -- would suggest the auto maker is a step closer to committing to the powertrain longer-term.

Honda also sells hybrid versions of its two best-selling cars, the Accord and Civic, at a premium of around 300,000 yen ($2,525). Its hybrid-only Insight coupe was the first gasoline-electric car to be sold in the United States.

Honda is developing a smaller motor and battery to reduce the hybrid's cost and weight, the Nihon Keizai said. It will twin the hybrid unit with a one-litre engine for the Fit, the paper added.

Toyota also aims to halve the production and selling cost of a hybrid system. It currently sells many of its hybrid models at a premium of around 500,000 yen ($4,200).

Honda, Toyota and Ford Motor Co. (NYSE:F - news) are so far the world's sole mass-producers of hybrid passenger cars. Laggards like General Motors Corp. (NYSE:GM - news) argue that hybrid systems are most suitable for large vehicles due to the added weight from the extra components.

Compact cars are also generally fuel-efficient to begin with, and the extra cost of a hybrid car may be more difficult to justify, depending on how much can be saved at the pump.

The newspaper said the Fit hybrid would have fuel economy comparable to that of the Honda Insight and Toyota Prius, which the auto makers advertise in Japan as getting around 35-36 km to a liter (82-84 miles per gallon).

The most fuel-efficient gasoline-only Fit, with a 1.3-liter engine and continuous variable transmission, gets 24 km to a liter (56 miles per gallon).

Milla...
02-22-06, 09:30 AM
Honda to sell low-cost hybrid car in 2007/08: paper

Wed Feb 22, 1:44 AM ET


Compact cars are also generally fuel-efficient to begin with, and the extra cost of a hybrid car may be more difficult to justify, depending on how much can be saved at the pump.



That right there is what has to be challeged and delt with and it sounds like this Fit car may be the answer, now I have yet to see this thing so the question I have is, will most americans FIT in these cars given the size of most small compacts that come out of Japan. If its a comfortable size and can merge into traffic ok they may have a huge hit, even more so if it average around the said 80+ mpg.

tonydt1g3r
02-22-06, 10:36 AM
That right there is what has to be challeged and delt with and it sounds like this Fit car may be the answer, now I have yet to see this thing so the question I have is, will most americans FIT in these cars given the size of most small compacts that come out of Japan. If its a comfortable size and can merge into traffic ok they may have a huge hit, even more so if it average around the said 80+ mpg.


I doubt it, most americans are over weight/fat. Your average 130lb asian guy is getting good mileage but your overweight 250lb american is gonna get you 30mpg LOL

Milla...
02-22-06, 10:42 AM
I doubt it, most americans are over weight/fat. Your average 130lb asian guy is getting good mileage but your overweight 250lb american is gonna get you 30mpg LOL

Hahahahahaha!! you may have more of a point than you realize.

spwolf
02-22-06, 10:47 AM
That right there is what has to be challeged and delt with and it sounds like this Fit car may be the answer, now I have yet to see this thing so the question I have is, will most americans FIT in these cars given the size of most small compacts that come out of Japan. If its a comfortable size and can merge into traffic ok they may have a huge hit, even more so if it average around the said 80+ mpg.
note how they said it would do same mpg as Prius. 80+ figures comes from some Japanese test cycle, not average.

Thing is, if Fit is getting only as good mpg as Prius, it would mean it has mild-hybrid system...

Milla...
02-22-06, 11:00 AM
note how they said it would do same mpg as Prius. 80+ figures comes from some Japanese test cycle, not average.

Thing is, if Fit is getting only as good mpg as Prius, it would mean it has mild-hybrid system...

I think the plus for the Fit (although same Mpg as Prius, if that is the case) would be the cost of purchase which would settle the main argument of all the Prius nay sayers. Buuuut you know how dealers are by the time they're done with mark ups it may not make any difference anyway. More options are surely a good thing though.

1SICKLEX
02-22-06, 02:54 PM
I think this is a GREAT move, Honda does small cars extremely well and small engines even better.

XeroK00L
02-22-06, 04:50 PM
Time for Toyota to bring us one of these Daihatsu hybrid gems (though I know they never will :sad: ).

The 169mpg (!!) UFE-III: :eek2:
http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_shows/tokyo/0511_ufe-III/

http://www.diseno-art.com/images/Daihatsu_UFE-III.jpg
http://www.diseno-art.com/images/Daihatsu_UFE-III_rear.jpg

Or...

The sporty SH-AWD 57mpg HVS::p
http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z10173/default.aspx
http://paultan.org/wp-content/hvs01.jpg
http://paultan.org/wp-content/hvs02.jpg
http://paultan.org/wp-content/hvs03.jpg