Camry vs Accord vs Sonata vs Fusion (edmunds)
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Nice to see that it won................I saw a few of the new Camrys at the Toyota dealership and they are REALLY UGLY. 
The SE version looks like a joke, it was parked to the previous gen Camry which for some reason looked much bigger, longer, and more upscale. Toyota has to step its styling and stop putting the Bangle butt on all their cars. 
At least the new Avalon looks decent, the previous gen was a nightmare.
The SE version looks like a joke, it was parked to the previous gen Camry which for some reason looked much bigger, longer, and more upscale. Toyota has to step its styling and stop putting the Bangle butt on all their cars. At least the new Avalon looks decent, the previous gen was a nightmare.
Wow! That was a long read (for a car article).
Good to see that the new Camry promises a lot of bells and whistles. And it's also good to see that as much as the writers wanted to talk about horsepower and handling, Camry got the first place because of all its amenities, not 0-60 time.
Hyundai is still a threat to Toyota because of price, but I think people will realize that there are some things that make a car better, and will spend a little extra $$ for it.
Good to see that the new Camry promises a lot of bells and whistles. And it's also good to see that as much as the writers wanted to talk about horsepower and handling, Camry got the first place because of all its amenities, not 0-60 time.
Hyundai is still a threat to Toyota because of price, but I think people will realize that there are some things that make a car better, and will spend a little extra $$ for it.
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Originally Posted by RNM GS3
Nice to see that it won................I saw a few of the new Camrys at the Toyota dealership and they are REALLY UGLY.
part of it is that they are going to be everywhere!
The FUGLY ranking would be
1) Camry (an eyesore Bangle would be proud of)
2) Sonata (badly done Accord of 2 generations ago, still fugly)
3) Fusion (a bit odd, but not bad looking)
4) Accord (least offensive due to extreme blandness)
Originally Posted by RNM GS3
Nice to see that it won................I saw a few of the new Camrys at the Toyota dealership and they are REALLY UGLY. T
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Two Steps Down and Dozey Doe...
I totally agree with prevous post'r that Toyota seems to be two steps down in terms of quality next to Lexus. It also seems like they waved the ugly stick over their Toyota vehicles so their Lexus brand stands out more too. I haven't seen the new Camry at dealership yet, but I will in probably another week or two, but from pictures online, they look butt ugly. Extra $8000, why not get an ES350 over a top-of-the-line Camry. Better material, more goodies, and you're driving a Lexus.
Back to the two-steps-down, the base Highlander interior is just the cheapest Toyota interior this side of the Mississippi... hard plastic all around, flimsy plastic. If they continue pricing vehicles the way they are without the same improvements in quality, don't look in your rear view mirror because the Koreans are coming... the Koreans are coming...and behind them in about another ten years, the Chinese are here too...
Back to the two-steps-down, the base Highlander interior is just the cheapest Toyota interior this side of the Mississippi... hard plastic all around, flimsy plastic. If they continue pricing vehicles the way they are without the same improvements in quality, don't look in your rear view mirror because the Koreans are coming... the Koreans are coming...and behind them in about another ten years, the Chinese are here too...
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In truth, however, after the first five minutes behind the wheel of the all-new 2007 Camry, each evaluator came away with the same impression: "This is a Camry?" Every so often, an automaker produces something so extraordinary that it manages to not only eclipse its own predecessor, but also succeeds in making the competition appear obsolete.
One might expect this scenario from, say, Mercedes-Benz, Porsche or Ferrari, but not from Toyota. Small, measured steps are what we've grown to expect from the Asian manufacturer. Toyota, it seems, has found its mojo. The company has tapped into a new, more confident, riskier and more rewarding future as a result.
If this is the kind of progression we should now anticipate when Toyota replaces an old model with a new one, then we'll need to recalibrate our expectations for future redesigns — and so should everybody else.
One might expect this scenario from, say, Mercedes-Benz, Porsche or Ferrari, but not from Toyota. Small, measured steps are what we've grown to expect from the Asian manufacturer. Toyota, it seems, has found its mojo. The company has tapped into a new, more confident, riskier and more rewarding future as a result.
If this is the kind of progression we should now anticipate when Toyota replaces an old model with a new one, then we'll need to recalibrate our expectations for future redesigns — and so should everybody else.
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Originally Posted by mhc0725
I totally agree with prevous post'r that Toyota seems to be two steps down in terms of quality next to Lexus. It also seems like they waved the ugly stick over their Toyota vehicles so their Lexus brand stands out more too. I haven't seen the new Camry at dealership yet, but I will in probably another week or two, but from pictures online, they look butt ugly. Extra $8000, why not get an ES350 over a top-of-the-line Camry. Better material, more goodies, and you're driving a Lexus.
Back to the two-steps-down, the base Highlander interior is just the cheapest Toyota interior this side of the Mississippi... hard plastic all around, flimsy plastic. If they continue pricing vehicles the way they are without the same improvements in quality, don't look in your rear view mirror because the Koreans are coming... the Koreans are coming...and behind them in about another ten years, the Chinese are here too...
Back to the two-steps-down, the base Highlander interior is just the cheapest Toyota interior this side of the Mississippi... hard plastic all around, flimsy plastic. If they continue pricing vehicles the way they are without the same improvements in quality, don't look in your rear view mirror because the Koreans are coming... the Koreans are coming...and behind them in about another ten years, the Chinese are here too...
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Yes, it can do that, too
If this were a performance-sedan test, a luxury-sedan test or an economy-car test, the Camry still would've won. In reality, performance, luxury and economy are considerations of family sedan buyers, whether they realize it or not.
The 2007 Camry is a do-it-all automobile, the one that pleases Mom and Dad and impresses the boss without embarrassing the kids. The V6 Camry makes the dash to 60 mph in less time than a recent BMW 330i did, it was nearly as quiet as a Bentley Flying Spur at idle and wide-open throttle, and its 22 city/31 highway EPA fuel economy rating matches that of a four-cylinder Honda Civic Si. Pretty impressive stuff to say the least.
If this were a performance-sedan test, a luxury-sedan test or an economy-car test, the Camry still would've won. In reality, performance, luxury and economy are considerations of family sedan buyers, whether they realize it or not.
The 2007 Camry is a do-it-all automobile, the one that pleases Mom and Dad and impresses the boss without embarrassing the kids. The V6 Camry makes the dash to 60 mph in less time than a recent BMW 330i did, it was nearly as quiet as a Bentley Flying Spur at idle and wide-open throttle, and its 22 city/31 highway EPA fuel economy rating matches that of a four-cylinder Honda Civic Si. Pretty impressive stuff to say the least.
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Awesome review and a great win for the New Camry. 
I can't believe they gave the JBL system a 9.0 score--that's as good as the Mark Levinson system in the New ES and the New IS!!!
Let's see...better acceleration, reclining rear seats, faux wood that looks as good as real according to Edmunds, and an audio system that sounds just as good... Now can someone please tell me why anyone should pay the extra to get an ES over a Camry XLE besides for a better-looking nose and a possibly better customer service?
Oh wait, I see that the Camry is sorely lacking an HID option. So the ES is superior after all I guess?
I can't believe they gave the JBL system a 9.0 score--that's as good as the Mark Levinson system in the New ES and the New IS!!!
Let's see...better acceleration, reclining rear seats, faux wood that looks as good as real according to Edmunds, and an audio system that sounds just as good... Now can someone please tell me why anyone should pay the extra to get an ES over a Camry XLE besides for a better-looking nose and a possibly better customer service?
Oh wait, I see that the Camry is sorely lacking an HID option. So the ES is superior after all I guess?
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Originally Posted by XeroK00L
Awesome review and a great win for the New Camry.
I can't believe they gave the JBL system a 9.0 score--that's as good as the Mark Levinson system in the New ES and the New IS!!!
Let's see...better acceleration, reclining rear seats, faux wood that looks as good as real according to Edmunds, and an audio system that sounds just as good... Now can someone please tell me why anyone should pay the extra to get an ES over a Camry XLE besides for a better-looking nose and a possibly better customer service?
Oh wait, I see that the Camry is sorely lacking an HID option. So the ES is superior after all I guess?
I can't believe they gave the JBL system a 9.0 score--that's as good as the Mark Levinson system in the New ES and the New IS!!!
Let's see...better acceleration, reclining rear seats, faux wood that looks as good as real according to Edmunds, and an audio system that sounds just as good... Now can someone please tell me why anyone should pay the extra to get an ES over a Camry XLE besides for a better-looking nose and a possibly better customer service?
Oh wait, I see that the Camry is sorely lacking an HID option. So the ES is superior after all I guess?