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File this under "Rumor and Speculation," because as of now, that's all it is...

I read that someone who has been in the new 2007 Tundra "c" cab, and who has seen the "d" cab, has stated the following:

• 410 hp
• 11,000 towing
• "d" cab larger than Dodge Mega Cab

The "c" cab is what has been shown to date. I'm assuming that means "Crew" cab, and that "d" cab means "Double" cab. I'm also assuming that if this is true that the new Tundra will have a GVW in the 8K range, or at least the model with these specs will be in that range.

I have no idea if this guy works for Toyota, is an automotive insider, or was part of a focus group. So take it for what it's worth. If it turns out to be true, remember you read it here first. If not, well, I've presented my disclaimer...

In any event it's just adding more fuel to the pickup "braggin' rights" war.

http://blogs.edmunds.com/Straightline/1337

Those are some big numbers. Toyota is serious about jumping into the fullsize truck race. I don't think they can afford to mess it up the 3rd time around. As they say, the 3rd times a charm! :D

As for the plant it's being built at in San Antonio, I got to visit the new facilities back in June...the place is enormous!

Not hard to believe 410hp seeing how there'll be two V8 options. There'll also be a diesel and a hybrid (still trying to sort this out since we know the electric motors at the moment can't really sustain constant heavy loads as it'll overheat)

If Toyota builds this Tundra and does more advertising "Made in the USA" ...I see big loses for the BIG-3.

cant wait to see the full size pickup shootout in a comparison test

V8 410hp.....will this be the engine they will be using for the "IS 500"???

V8 410hp.....will this be the engine they will be using for the "IS 500"???The Tundra has a 5.7L...while the IS"500" will have, well, a 5.0L.

WOW! This 07 thundra is so nice. . . .

if toyota going to make 400+hp truck, why don't they do 400+HP cars first!!! :uh:

if toyota going to make 400+hp truck, why don't they do 400+HP cars first!!! :uh:
I can only imagine a Corolla with 400hp pulling a small trailer... :D

if toyota going to make 400+hp truck, why don't they do 400+HP cars first!!! :uh:

400 hp truck market is a LOT bigger than the 400 hp car market

this is definitely a choice as my dad's 02 Tundra V8 lease is about to end soon.. has the TRD Stepside :D

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By BOB GRITZINGER
AutoWeek | Published 08/09/06, 8:20 am et

Here’s one big reason General Motors broke into double-time to bring its all-new Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra fullsize pickups to market 13 weeks ahead of schedule: the 2007 Toyota Tundra.

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Judging by these spy photos, taken by alert AutoWeek reader Tim Yale in Orange, California, the next-gen full-scale Tundra is holding to the production form revealed earlier this year at the Chicago auto show (“Bigger is badder,” Feb. 20). The truck is clearly well on the road to a market introduction by January, where it would have competed directly with GM’s launch if the General hadn’t hustled to get its trucks to market first.

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Tundra arrives in this Double Cab configuration (replacing Access Cab) with small front-hinged rear access doors. Regular cabs and fullsize four-door cabs come later. The truck is powered by a 5.7-liter, 350-hp, 350-lb-ft V8 linked to a six-speed automatic transmission. A 4.7-liter V8 and a 4.0-liter V6 also will be offered.

Source: http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060809/FREE/308090001/1065/PROMOBLOG01

350 hps sounds about right. 400hps for this truck is a little over kill IMHO, but then there's no such thing as too much power.

yeah but torque would help too.

If the current 4.7L already generates 330 lb-ft of torque, it'd be pathetic if the new 5.7L only manages 350 lb-ft. I therefore believe the 350hp/350lb-ft figures above are far off. :thumbdn:

By extrapolating the torque figure from the 4.7L, we get 330 lb-ft x 5.7L / 4.7L =...exactly 400 lb-ft for the 5.7L!! With help of Dual VVT-i, I think the OP's figure can be quite close.

I cant wait to drive one of these not very stylish but seems like it will be a really nice truck.

Wow possible 400hp!!!

If Toyota builds this Tundra and does more advertising "Made in the USA" ...I see big loses for the BIG-3.

you would think so but nope. the Big 3 will be completely fine.

The Tundra plant can only make at max capacity 200k trucks a year. Ford sells 900 some thousand trucks a year. Chevy sells something like 600-700k silverados and Dodge sells like 450k Rams a year. The tundra can become a player but cannot dominate ore even carve out too sizeable a market. 10% maybe.

you would think so but nope. the Big 3 will be completely fine.

The Tundra plant can only make at max capacity 200k trucks a year. Ford sells 900 some thousand trucks a year. Chevy sells something like 600-700k silverados and Dodge sells like 450k Rams a year. The tundra can become a player but cannot dominate ore even carve out too sizeable a market. 10% maybe.
well, it doesnt have to dominate at all... it just has to take some sales... For example, if Tundra takes only 50,000 sales per year from F150, Ford will lose 1.3-1.5 billion of sales per year.

What it matters is to keep your sales, it really doesnt matter who is first when it comes to the bottom line. If Toyota makes 100,000 more Tundra's next year, and Ford makes 100,000 less F150's, it will be Toyota's big plus since they made extra 100,000 sales. Even if F150 still outsells Tundra 4x1, it will hurt Ford's bottom line. Same goes for any other vehicle - like Camry for example. You gotta be growing constantly.

I remember hearing 400hp a long time ago. I think someone leaked info from a Toyota Canada conference awhile back stating that the truck will have 400hp and tow over 10,000lbs.

If the current 4.7L already generates 330 lb-ft of torque, it'd be pathetic if the new 5.7L only manages 350 lb-ft. I therefore believe the 350hp/350lb-ft figures above are far off. :thumbdn:

By extrapolating the torque figure from the 4.7L, we get 330 lb-ft x 5.7L / 4.7L =...exactly 400 lb-ft for the 5.7L!! With help of Dual VVT-i, I think the OP's figure can be quite close.

Autoweek is stupid, don't listen to them :) The new motor will make far in excess of 350ft-lbs of torque. It better, since Nissan's Titan and the Dodge Ram already can make more power than that.

I'm personally expecting 400ft-lbs+ more like 425 I'd imagine.

Just browsing other forums. Kinda bored over here. Running into some stuff...


For those interested, I have some more info on the Tundra Crew Cab, to be named the "Crew Max". A guy at TS was apparently at the 2006 Houston Toyota Truck Evaluations. There were various trucks in different configurations from each manufacturer there to be compared to the 2007 Tundra. Cameras and phones were not allowed. Here are the things he could remember:

-The Crew Max is larger than all of the current Crew Cab offerings, except the Mega Cab.
-The bed was 5 1/2" like the Ford.
-Could lower tailgate with one finger
-5.7L rated at 355 hp, but he was told it may be a few more by production
-Still no torque rating, but its common knowledge among insiders it will likely be best-in-class for half-tons
-Crew Max has 6 cupholders and 2 beer bottle/water bottle holders in each door
-Bucket seat models has floor shifter, but there are 40/20/40 seats with column shifters
-Towing capacity is 10,600# for DC and 10,400# for CM, with 1,800# payload for one, he couldn't remember which
-EPA MPG est. 14 city 18 hwy

Anyway, just thought I'd share my finding. I thought these numbers were interresting.

And even more rumors....



3UR-FE 5.7L 90 degree V8 with dual VVT-i (Tundra)
Aluminum block and heads/Cast iron block w/ aluminum alloy heads (?)
Forged, high strength internals with 6 bolt main crankshaft bearing caps, fully balanced forged crankshaft with high strength connecting rod bolts
Large diameter forged connecting rods with heavy duty moly coated pistons
Single fuel injection - air assisted port injection for greater fuel atomization
High compression relative to other truck engines
First truck engine with dual VVT-i

Estimated power:
400hp
470lb-ft

4UR-FE 4.7L 90 degree V8 with dual VVT-i (Tundra, 4Runner)
Aluminum block and heads/Cast iron block w/ aluminum alloy heads (?)
Forged, high strength internals with 6 bolt main crankshaft bearing caps, fully balanced forged crankshaft with high strength connecting rod bolts
Large diameter forged connecting rods with heavy duty moly coated pistons
Single fuel injection - air assisted port injection for greater fuel atomization

Estimated power: (bridges gap between 1GR and 3UR)
335hp
375lb-ft






300hp, 400hp, 410 hp, 355hp, 350 hp, 335hp. :egads:

So basically no one really knows anything. :D

With this new Tundra the Tacoma should get some nicer features, leather/Nav and a V8:)

still no match for the 16,000lb towing capacity of an F-250 Super Duty Diesel. Not to mention the F-350 and the Chevy equivalents Silverado 3500HD has a towing capacity of 16,700lbs. Also in order to really play with the big boys they need a dualie option. Sorry America has, does, and will always make the world best trucks. Toyota should stick to what it does best, making phenomenal and affordable passenger cars.

still no match for the 16,000lb towing capacity of an F-250 Super Duty Diesel. Not to mention the F-350 and the Chevy equivalents Silverado 3500HD has a towing capacity of 16,700lbs. Also in order to really play with the big boys they need a dualie option. Sorry America has, does, and will always make the world best trucks. Toyota should stick to what it does best, making phenomenal and affordable passenger cars.

Not everybody who needs a full size pick up needs that much pulling power. You are also talking about $40K+ pickup trucks. It's important one day, but the bulk of these sales are going to be for light to moderate work duty. The new Tunda will be so much more than what pickup people are use to, it's bound to change the whole market.

Sam

Sorry America has, does, and will always make the world best trucks. Toyota should stick to what it does best, making phenomenal and affordable passenger cars.I wouldn't say so, considering there are a ton of those little late 60's - 1990's Toyota Trucks running around with 500,000 miles in them. They're all everywhere, worldwide.

I have been to Thailand and have seen little Toyota Trucks used as Taxi's, hauling about 50 or so people at a time around town.
http://www.phuket-guide.net/images/taxi.jpg
Those little trucks are tough.

In the US, I think domestic trucks will always be King. But worldwide, No. Besides, I think even with a lot of trucks used for heavy duty, most of them are still Home Depot haulers sitting on 20+ rims.

still no match for the 16,000lb towing capacity of an F-250 Super Duty Diesel. Not to mention the F-350 and the Chevy equivalents Silverado 3500HD has a towing capacity of 16,700lbs. Also in order to really play with the big boys they need a dualie option. Sorry America has, does, and will always make the world best trucks. Toyota should stick to what it does best, making phenomenal and affordable passenger cars.

Don't be a dork. Toyota trucks are far better built than anything America has. Just because so far there's no diesel option for Toyota, doesnt mean that American brands instantly build a better truck.

There's a good chance Toyota will release their own turbodiesel for this truck in the future.

THE MAIN reason that Ford and GM sell so many trucks is because of fleet sales. If they didn't have that; they'd be screwed.

still no match for the 16,000lb towing capacity of an F-250 Super Duty Diesel. Not to mention the F-350 and the Chevy equivalents Silverado 3500HD has a towing capacity of 16,700lbs. Also in order to really play with the big boys they need a dualie option. Sorry America has, does, and will always make the world best trucks. Toyota should stick to what it does best, making phenomenal and affordable passenger cars.

What exactly defines a truck? Are we talking pickups, commercial trucks, or SUVs?

Toyota can and will make a dually/HD Tundra, just need to have patience.

American pickups are popular only in, get this, America. Practically everywhere else around the world, Japanese pickups rule, in particular, Toyota pickups. Toyota does sell diesel pickups in varying models, just not in the US ... well not yet anyways.

And if you want to talk commerical trucks, again America is not the best, not even close. The world's best commercial trucks are closely contested by European and Japanese makers.

And if you want to talk SUVs, GM makes some pretty good SUVs, but worldwide, again, American SUVs are rarely used. Rather, SUVs like Toyota's legendary Land Cruiser are used worldwide, because of their incredible reliability and durability.

What exactly defines a truck? Are we talking pickups, commercial trucks, or SUVs?

Toyota can and will make a dually/HD Tundra, just need to have patience.

American pickups are popular only in, get this, America. Practically everywhere else around the world, Japanese pickups rule, in particular, Toyota pickups. Toyota does sell diesel pickups in varying models, just not in the US ... well not yet anyways.

And if you want to talk commerical trucks, again America is not the best, not even close. The world's best commercial trucks are closely contested by European and Japanese makers.

And if you want to talk SUVs, GM makes some pretty good SUVs, but worldwide, again, American SUVs are rarely used. Rather, SUVs like Toyota's legendary Land Cruiser are used worldwide, because of their incredible reliability and durability.
indeed... it is really hard to see american SUV or Pickup around the world. Japanese rule that field, especially Toyota.

And those trucks are used in much tougher conditions than US roads.

I wouldn't say so, considering there are a ton of those little late 60's - 1990's Toyota Trucks running around with 500,000 miles in them. They're all everywhere, worldwide.

I have been to Thailand and have seen little Toyota Trucks used as Taxi's, hauling about 50 or so people at a time around town.
http://www.phuket-guide.net/images/taxi.jpg
Those little trucks are tough.

In the US, I think domestic trucks will always be King. But worldwide, No. Besides, I think even with a lot of trucks used for heavy duty, most of them are still Home Depot haulers sitting on 20+ rims.

I see plenty of 50's-90's American trucks running around here all the time and they run like a top with over 600k miles on them sometimes 700k, in contrast I almost never see a Toyota truck earlier than the 90's (at least running) around here. Although my friend did own an 80's toyota pickup for about a month before the engine died on him. America still has the Japanese beat when it comes to the number of older trucks still trucking and doing what trucks are meant to do, tow and haul things.

I see plenty of 50's-90's American trucks running around here all the time and they run like a top with over 600k miles on them sometimes 700k, in contrast I almost never see a Toyota truck earlier than the 90's (at least running) around here. Although my friend did own an 80's toyota pickup for about a month before the engine died on him. America still has the Japanese beat when it comes to the number of older trucks still trucking and doing what trucks are meant to do, tow and haul things.

First off, that's only true for North America, and not worldwide. Secondly, American trucks *in America* should obviously out-number Japanese trucks, since the Japanese have never tried really hard with trucks here, and since American automakers have established big brand loyalty among American buyers by focusing on pickup trucks for a long time.

Wow, the 5.7 has 400hp. And we know Lexus has trademarked the 570 names......

I see plenty of 50's-90's American trucks running around here all the time and they run like a top with over 600k miles on them sometimes 700k, in contrast I almost never see a Toyota truck earlier than the 90's (at least running) around here. Although my friend did own an 80's toyota pickup for about a month before the engine died on him. America still has the Japanese beat when it comes to the number of older trucks still trucking and doing what trucks are meant to do, tow and haul things.
You're not looking hard enough then. These old Toyorta Trucks with 500k miles are running around in California a lot. I have 2 family members who have a 1981 and 1986 truck apiece, both are running 400k miles, no problems. My father has a 1991 with 295k miles, no problem. And no, the '91 truck doesn't leave a mess of oil on the driveway like their american counterparts, who don't have 1/3 the mileage and are almost a decade the younger.

And I use to be a Ford customer turned sour. Easily the worst cars I've ever had. Took care of them, maintainence, drove them under 10k miles a year and it was all good until the manufacture warrantee expired. The problems came in by the loads. Would never buy american again, especially cars.

What exactly defines a truck? Are we talking pickups, commercial trucks, or SUVs?

Toyota can and will make a dually/HD Tundra, just need to have patience.

American pickups are popular only in, get this, America. Practically everywhere else around the world, Japanese pickups rule, in particular, Toyota pickups. Toyota does sell diesel pickups in varying models, just not in the US ... well not yet anyways.

And if you want to talk commerical trucks, again America is not the best, not even close. The world's best commercial trucks are closely contested by European and Japanese makers.

And if you want to talk SUVs, GM makes some pretty good SUVs, but worldwide, again, American SUVs are rarely used. Rather, SUVs like Toyota's legendary Land Cruiser are used worldwide, because of their incredible reliability and durability.

couldn't have said it better myself. You don't find many full size American trucks outside of the Americas.

I went to a local Dodge dealership and they had trucks lined up for as far as the eye can see. Seriously, with no exaggeration. A salesman told me I could get a new Dodge Ram quad cab with 20's, stereo, etc (50 to choose from) with a 5.7 HEMI for $18,000! Heck of a deal if you really needed a hauler, but I still wouldn't touch it because it's a Dodge.

Didn't know you could get a Dodge Ram Quad Cab HEMI for less than a Honda Civic...