Today, I get a call that the car's bucking and acting bad. She said it was the same symptons as before. I said okay, call Toyota, I will give you my car and take it to the dealer. No lights yet were on.

I pick the car up, less than 2 blocks from the house, it bucks, and jerks and boom, the lights come on and I lost 2nd gear completely. Same freaking issue.

This was a replacement Camry that was MADE for us that we waited 2 months for because the first one was part of the 160 batch that had these issues. Sorry there is more too it that Toyota is saying. Now another one.
She is done with the POS Camry. She wants something else. She is willing to give Toyota a chance again 3rd time and get a Avalon or a Lexus side, but no more Camry. Or she will go somewhere else.

Sad to see this, I recommended that car to her, and she got it and hasn't been happy since.

First one blew at 300 miles
second one at 1800 miles.

I will keep everyone informed.

Sorry to hear that. You would think a replacement tranny would do the trick, but I guess not. Lets just hope this situation doesn't turn out to be the same one as Honda's tranny fiasco. :p

Sorry to hear about your problem with Toyota. I would definately give the new VW Passat a try, I am absolutely sure that you and your wife will love it.

Sorry to hear about your problem with Toyota. I would definately give the new VW Passat a try, I am absolutely sure that you and your wife will love it.

out of the frying pan and into the fire if you want to avoid reliability problems

out of the frying pan and into the fire if you want to avoid reliability problems

The Passat has been consistently on CR lists of recommended cars for the past 4-5 years or so now. On top of that the new Passat, along with most of the new VW model line-up has sparkling reliablity (Toureg not-withstanding, but that will be replaced soon with a much better and more reliable version) and is relatively problem free. The same can not be said for the Camry (fragging transmissions) which is ironically recommended by CR. The Passat hasn't had any problems and the Camry has been having serious problems.

G35 TX I urge you to go out on a lim and at least try out the Passat despite the nay-sayers (mostly Toyota and Honda fanboys). I guarantee you will not be disappointed.

say what you want VW has been bottom feeding with Mercedes and Land Rover on reliability charts for the past decade and I doubt they just woke up this year and suddenly started cracking out bulletproof cars. Something like that doesnt happen overnight. The new VW models have been out for a cool year, hardly an indicator of its long term reliability

say what you want VW has been bottom feeding with Mercedes and Land Rover on reliability charts for the past decade and I doubt they just woke up this year and suddenly started cracking out bulletproof cars. Something like that doesnt happen overnight. The new VW models have been out for a cool year, hardly an indicator of its long term reliability

Like I said the Passat has consistently been recommend by CR for around 5 years now, so no it didn't happen over night. Now, Toyota on the other hand, looks like they dropped the ball over night with the new Camry. And, how long has the Toyota been out? Under a year and they are already experiencing major problems, makes you wonder what kind of other quality issues will be surfacing later on. I'm looking at the current reality not the past. BTW VW actually did clean up it's act over night (2 years) while Toyota it seems has only gotten sloppier.

you hear 3-5 instances where a tranny goes out and you assume toyotas reliability sucks everywhere else, youre overreacting and toyota sells 40k+ of these a month. Domestic companies beat VW badly in reliability and sell many times more vehicles than VW does. Domestics have improved greatly, euro hasnt

I'll have to say that Toyota has been getting a little bit worse but considering how many vehicles are produced the percentage is very slim. At least Toyota announces their recalls even if it is a very minute issue, not to say a dead tranny is minute.
I would honestly go for the Avalon or maybe the Accord. I would stay away from the ES350 which is essentially the Camry. But it could just be bad luck, I honestly love the looks of the Camry. Find what you feel is the most comfortable for you.

try the avalon next, gigantic vehicle, rides very smooth also

dam what are the odds...good luck w/ the next attempt. personally if this happened twice to me...i would run away.

too bad Russ..my sisters 07' camry has not had any issues for its first 5k miles...with trips to vegas, yosemite, etc.

good luck with the lemon law!

What a coincidence........

Head over to Acura...
rofl :D

and as far as i know the ES350 hasnt had any of the tranny issues encounterered by the first batch of camry's.

rofl :D

and as far as i know the ES350 hasnt had any of the tranny issues encounterered by the first batch of camry's.

I believe after reading the ES350 section there have been reports by owners of similar issues with the tranny. It may or may not be the exact same problem, but it doesn't appear to be issue free.

I believe after reading the ES350 section there have been reports by owners of similar issues with the tranny. It may or may not be the exact same problem, but it doesn't appear to be issue free.

Glad to know that. Right now Toyota is running on a thin line with us. Monday we will be contacting lawyers. Toyota already knows this. Because we aren't playing around anymore. Especially since we already made 3 payments, and 1k down, and they say we owe them 2k still (which to my calculations we do not) since the Altima was only 2500 upside down due to the wreck. She flat out blew up in there face when they try to say that. And they understand they better work something out, because we are done working out deals. Give us a fully loaded avalon for the price of the Camry, or give us our money back and we will go somewhere else.

I don't exactly like driving a damn Corollo from Enterprise that has been smoked in, compared to my TL. But at least it makes her happy that she can rely on my TL over the damn Camry.

I was at first more worried about my TL having tranny issues like the 2nd gens. It now has almost 4k of miles. It hasn't had one single issue and has been a solid car. The Camry on the other hand, no comment.

Sorry if I am blowing steam. I am pretty pissed at Toyota right now.

say what you want VW has been bottom feeding with Mercedes and Land Rover on reliability charts for the past decade and I doubt they just woke up this year and suddenly started cracking out bulletproof cars. Something like that doesnt happen overnight. The new VW models have been out for a cool year, hardly an indicator of its long term reliability

If anything, I'd go with a GM product. Their modern powertrains are rock solid, unfortunately they still suffer from a perception problem. If you go to Toyota Nation (where I hang out), you'll be surprised by the large number of complaints about the Camry. And I'm not talking about squeaks and rattles (of which there are plenty of complaints) but powertrain related issues.

If anything, I'd go with a GM product. Their modern powertrains are rock solid, unfortunately they still suffer from a perception problem. If you go to Toyota Nation (where I hang out), you'll be surprised by the large number of complaints about the Camry. And I'm not talking about squeaks and rattles (of which there are plenty of complaints) but powertrain related issues.

It's the same with VW they also make rock solid drivetrains, yet they still suffer from a perception problem.

-James (loves how 4TehNguyen loves to downplay Toyota's major issues and loves to knock on VW even though their vehicles are recieving rave reviews everywhere and are having no major problems...).

I'd rather own a car that has a few more minor problems than one that less but major problem like sludge or blown tranny.. (speaking from experience). Some people tend to count the number of problems rather than the severity of the problems.

It's the same with VW they also make rock solid drivetrains, yet they still suffer from a perception problem.

-James (loves how 4TehNguyen loves to downplay Toyota's major issues and loves to knock on VW even though their vehicles are recieving rave reviews everywhere and are having no major problems...).

Seeing as you're new to these forums, I would suggest you try to cool it with the calling out of people. I'm not bashing you, and yes we all have our differences but most of the time the moderators will not tolerate behavior like this. Just a heads up.

It's the same with VW they also make rock solid drivetrains, yet they still suffer from a perception problem.

-James (loves how 4TehNguyen loves to downplay Toyota's major issues and loves to knock on VW even though their vehicles are recieving rave reviews everywhere and are having no major problems...).

I suggest you look at the past 5 years of JD power dependability studies, the countless lemon VW websites they are on the net, when C&D or a mag reviews VW they dont drive it enough to take into account reliability. And if suddenly VW made reliable cars this quickly it would undoubtably be the greatest comeback in automotive history, but I doubt that. And yes Id rather go to GM over a VW, domestics have surpassed euro in reliability

that's wierd. I doubt you're getting a loaded Avalon for the price of a Camry though.

The new Passat is a real nightmare.
VW is the market leader here in Europe so I know many who own the new Passat.
Usually problems with the new Passat are associated with the electric windows, power steering system and cruise control.
There are also problems with the automatic transmissions. Last week a taxi-driver told me that his new Passat suffered transmission failure after two days of ownership and other taxi-drivers have had similar problems with their cars.

I'm surprised that someone on this forum describes VW cars as reliable. I have only heard VW dealers claim that before this. Even VW owners admit that their cars have a lot of problems but they want to stay with the brand because it's truly European.

that's wierd. I doubt you're getting a loaded Avalon for the price of a Camry though.


Well, Toyota will loose us then. Like I said, we haven't owned a car since May. Toyota has wasted enough of our time and hardache that they owe us this.

You might have a good chance getting a fully loaded avalon from them if you threaten them with legal action

You might have a good chance getting a fully loaded avalon from them if you threaten them with legal action

Yep, and we did so. Now we are waiting for them again.

You are a more open minded person than I am bc if I had to use legal action against a company, I highly doubt that I would do business w/ them ever again. However, if you do stick w/ this dealer & try for an Avalon, just remember that that car has had its share of issues (http://clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214273&highlight=avalon+problems) but those may have all been fixed by now.

Good luck.

Yep, and we did so. Now we are waiting for them again.

Are you saying you got a loaded Avalon, if so thats impressive, anyways good luck with everything:thumbup:

Not yet. The Lady at Toyota offered one she even said to drive one to make sure we like it first. So that is possible a good clue about us getting one.

G35 TX I urge you to go out on a lim and at least try out the Passat despite the nay-sayers (mostly Toyota and Honda fanboys). I guarantee you will not be disappointed.

And the Passat is a thousand times better looking than the Camry too with better materials in and out.

Sorry if I am blowing steam. I am pretty pissed at Toyota right now.

Man, I don't blame you for being PO'd. I would go ballistic too
if they dropped 2 transmissions on me.

The Passat has been consistently on CR lists of recommended cars for the past 4-5 years or so now. On top of that the new Passat, along with most of the new VW model line-up has sparkling reliablity (Toureg not-withstanding, but that will be replaced soon with a much better and more reliable version) and is relatively problem free. The same can not be said for the Camry (fragging transmissions) which is ironically recommended by CR. The Passat hasn't had any problems and the Camry has been having serious problems.

G35 TX I urge you to go out on a lim and at least try out the Passat despite the nay-sayers (mostly Toyota and Honda fanboys). I guarantee you will not be disappointed.
VW does not have sparkling reliability. In Germany, home of VW, they are rated between 12th and 14th for dependability in latest ADAC and TUV results.

Glad to know that. Right now Toyota is running on a thin line with us. Monday we will be contacting lawyers. Toyota already knows this. Because we aren't playing around anymore. Especially since we already made 3 payments, and 1k down, and they say we owe them 2k still (which to my calculations we do not) since the Altima was only 2500 upside down due to the wreck. She flat out blew up in there face when they try to say that. And they understand they better work something out, because we are done working out deals. Give us a fully loaded avalon for the price of the Camry, or give us our money back and we will go somewhere else.

I don't exactly like driving a damn Corollo from Enterprise that has been smoked in, compared to my TL. But at least it makes her happy that she can rely on my TL over the damn Camry.

I was at first more worried about my TL having tranny issues like the 2nd gens. It now has almost 4k of miles. It hasn't had one single issue and has been a solid car. The Camry on the other hand, no comment.

Sorry if I am blowing steam. I am pretty pissed at Toyota right now.
Dont they have like 6 tries to fix your car before lemon law comes into effect?

Aftertall, you are only on your 2nd tranny

:-).

This is just really bad luck. Over 40,000 Camry's roll out of the dealerships each month and most of them are fine.

I'd still stay with Toyota.

I gotta make a few comments here. First, although Toyota is not known for transmission problems, it is clear that something here is amiss with this Camry going through trannies like it has. It could be a design problem with the transmission itself or just the replacement tranny not being installed properly in the shop.
Second, keep in mind, when you guys recommend an Avalon, that the Avalon uses basically a slightly redone version of the Camry transmission.....on a more powerful V6. The Toyota Avalon, Highlander, Solara, Lexus RX330, and ES350 all use somewhat modified versions of the Camry's basic transmission.
Third, the reliability of different individual VW Passat models has varied quite a bit......Consumer Reports, in its recommendation of the Passat, has noted this. They only recommend Passat models are the ones that have been average or better in reliability....in general, the fours have been better than the V6's, and Passats, like other VW's, do have electrical issues. Not enough diesel Passats have really been sold to have a good reliability gauge, and they have been dropped in the American market for 2007.....to be replaced in 2008 with all-new diesels.

Here's my recommendation if you want to stay with a mid-size front-wheel-drive sedan: Go down to the Hyundai dealer and take a good look at the new Sonata.
The previous Korean-built model had an excellent repair record...one of the best in Consumer Reports' database. The new one is built in Alabama, but they have had a year now to fine-tune the plant and get any bugs out.....so look for a new 2007 rather than an end-of-year 2006. The new Sonata is a nice car. I did a review on one several months ago and found it very competent and well-assembled except for some road noise...and that could have just been the tires on that particular car. All Sonatas (and all Hyundai-Kia products ) come with a 10 year / 100,000 drivetrain warranty, so any new trannies ( let's hope you won't need any ) will be on the house for 10 years. The Sonata compares very favorably with the Camry in many areas and noticeably undercuts the Camry on price....I would buy one in a minute if I was in the market for that type of car, but I myself am a convert to AWD.

( I also wouldn't delay too long....there is rumor, not confirmed yet, that this may be the last year in the American market for the Hyundai-Kia 10 / 100 warranty. My guess is that it will be scaled back to the 5 / 60 that most Japanese manufacturers are using. Their products have improved so much lately that the company apparantly feels that the ultra-long warranty is no longer necessary as a sales tool. And not having to do as much warranty-covered work will, of course, allow Hyundai to drop their prices even lower .)

or just the replacement tranny not being installed properly in the shop.


correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he got the whole car replaced after 1st trans.

Here's my recommendation if you want to stay with a mid-size front-wheel-drive sedan: Go down to the Hyundai dealer and take a good look at the new Sonata.

Great comments mmarshall and I agree with this one. Sonata's the bargain out there and a darn nice vehicle.

There was another guy on Edmunds (about a month ago) who also said that his replacement tranny for the 2007 Camry V6 crapped out on him.

I'm wondering if these replacement trannies are new trannies, or remanufactured trannies.

And the Passat is a thousand times better looking than the Camry too with better materials in and out.

I drove the 2.0T Passat - and let me tell you - I was IMPRESSED ... very good build inside and out, very good interior materials and hardware action/movement. Smooth power, great transmission (6 speed auto) and an incredible value (you can typically buy them way below MSRP).

The new Camry is blah. And Toyota's quality problems make me laugh hysterically. They've totally forgotten how it is that they arrived where they are.

Too bad for them. Good for the other Japanese competition & Hyundai.

I second (or third as the case may be) Mmarshall's recommendation - go look at the Sonata Limited (V6). You'll have to do without navigation - but you'll save thousands of dollars over the Camry you have now.

If you must have Nav - go look at a Passat. Or maybe an Acura TSX.

M.

I drove the 2.0T Passat - and let me tell you - I was IMPRESSED ... very good build inside and out, very good interior materials and hardware action/movement. Smooth power, great transmission (6 speed auto) and an incredible value (you can typically buy them way below MSRP).

The new Camry is blah. And Toyota's quality problems make me laugh hysterically. They've totally forgotten how it is that they arrived where they are.

Too bad for them. Good for the other Japanese competition & Hyundai.

I second (or third as the case may be) Mmarshall's recommendation - go look at the Sonata Limited (V6). You'll have to do without navigation - but you'll save thousands of dollars over the Camry you have now.

If you must have Nav - go look at a Passat. Or maybe an Acura TSX.

M.

Finally! Someone who isn't biased and knows exactly what I'm talking about.

I was at toyota yesterday buying ATF fluid for my car and while I was waiting, I over-heard a guy coming in for a second time in 2 weeks because his second transmission failed. Apparantly, his tranny slips in 2nd after he has driven the car for more than 30 minutes. I hope toyota really doesn't screw up on this one.

I was at toyota yesterday buying ATF fluid for my car and while I was waiting, I over-heard a guy coming in for a second time in 2 weeks because his second transmission failed. Apparantly, his tranny slips in 2nd after he has driven the car for more than 30 minutes. I hope toyota really doesn't screw up on this one.

It's not looking pretty.

-James (thinks they already screwed up)

It's not looking pretty.

-James (thinks they already screwed up)
James, clearly you are passionate about VW and they made good cars but Toyota just recenly has some quality issues and has already promised to fix ASAP. VW on the other hand seems to be clueless about quality and focused on becoming the luxury brand it will never be. VW hasn't been I think average in quality in recent memory. I said AVERAGE.

I have to see sitting in the Passat at the autoshow, it was huge inside. Clearly good materials used. I prefered the Aluminum to the faux wood trimmed interior. The exterior, IMO is lost, like the Jetta. Looks like a Toyota not a VW.

Looking at sales figures, VW is barely afloat in America. Piech just had a press release saying he is very disapointed in the brand and something has to be done quickly.

Because 35-40k Passats will continue to rust on dealer lots.

correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he got the whole car replaced after 1st trans.

You are correct...Thanks.:thumbup: I sometimes make a slip-up here and there.

Still, the rest of my comments apply, and I think that he should consider a new Sonata. Hyundais and Kias today are hard to beat for the money, unless you want a vehicle type that they just don't offer in the American market.

Dont they have like 6 tries to fix your car before lemon law comes into effect?

Aftertall, you are only on your 2nd tranny

:-).


If you actually read the post. 2ND CAR, replaced by Toyota to guaranteed to fix the problem. Now it blew again in under 2k of miles. No, they can't make us keep the car especially since we just signed the papers 1 week ago!

Well the Avalon has a 5spd auto tranny that has been proven. The Camry has a 6spd auto tranny that is all new.

I gotta make a few comments here. First, although Toyota is not known for transmission problems, it is clear that something here is amiss with this Camry going through trannies like it has. It could be a design problem with the transmission itself or just the replacement tranny not being installed properly in the shop.
Second, keep in mind, when you guys recommend an Avalon, that the Avalon uses basically a slightly redone version of the Camry transmission.....on a more powerful V6. The Toyota Avalon, Highlander, Solara, Lexus RX330, and ES350 all use somewhat modified versions of the Camry's basic transmission.
Third, the reliability of different individual VW Passat models has varied quite a bit......Consumer Reports, in its recommendation of the Passat, has noted this. They only recommend Passat models are the ones that have been average or better in reliability....in general, the fours have been better than the V6's, and Passats, like other VW's, do have electrical issues. Not enough diesel Passats have really been sold to have a good reliability gauge, and they have been dropped in the American market for 2007.....to be replaced in 2008 with all-new diesels.

Here's my recommendation if you want to stay with a mid-size front-wheel-drive sedan: Go down to the Hyundai dealer and take a good look at the new Sonata.
The previous Korean-built model had an excellent repair record...one of the best in Consumer Reports' database. The new one is built in Alabama, but they have had a year now to fine-tune the plant and get any bugs out.....so look for a new 2007 rather than an end-of-year 2006. The new Sonata is a nice car. I did a review on one several months ago and found it very competent and well-assembled except for some road noise...and that could have just been the tires on that particular car. All Sonatas (and all Hyundai-Kia products ) come with a 10 year / 100,000 drivetrain warranty, so any new trannies ( let's hope you won't need any ) will be on the house for 10 years. The Sonata compares very favorably with the Camry in many areas and noticeably undercuts the Camry on price....I would buy one in a minute if I was in the market for that type of car, but I myself am a convert to AWD.

( I also wouldn't delay too long....there is rumor, not confirmed yet, that this may be the last year in the American market for the Hyundai-Kia 10 / 100 warranty. My guess is that it will be scaled back to the 5 / 60 that most Japanese manufacturers are using. Their products have improved so much lately that the company apparantly feels that the ultra-long warranty is no longer necessary as a sales tool. And not having to do as much warranty-covered work will, of course, allow Hyundai to drop their prices even lower .)

If you actually read the post. 2ND CAR, replaced by Toyota to guaranteed to fix the problem. Now it blew again in under 2k of miles. No, they can't make us keep the car especially since we just signed the papers 1 week ago!
that still doesnt make it under lemon law... unless you have had separate contract which stated there would be no issues with it specifically.

But I am sure Toyota will try to accomodate you anyway, it is just that under lemon law you still have a lot to go through...

Well the Avalon has a 5spd auto tranny that has been proven. The Camry has a 6spd auto tranny that is all new.

I did some searching for you on the Internet about this problem. ( many sites on it...too many for me to post ). Like the infamous 3.0 V6 sludge and gel issues with the lack of oil changes, there is a pattern here. Toyota is aware of the problem. It centers around a snap-ring that has a tendency to fail within the first 500 miles and affect 2nd and 6th gears. Toyota is not treating it as a recall ( they are dealing with owners on a case-by-case basis ) but a recall is not out of the question.

There was another guy on Edmunds (about a month ago) who also said that his replacement tranny for the 2007 Camry V6 crapped out on him.

I'm wondering if these replacement trannies are new trannies, or remanufactured trannies.
a lot of people posting on different forums are actually same people... old issue affected pretty much every camry produced up to that time... now question is if this is the case still, now there are more than 100,000 new camry's out (vs some 300-400 cars before) and if it happened to every and each one of them, there would be a lot of traffic on the forums and there isnt.

that still doesnt make it under lemon law... unless you have had separate contract which stated there would be no issues with it specifically.

But I am sure Toyota will try to accomodate you anyway, it is just that under lemon law you still have a lot to go through...

All that most lemon laws say is that the manufacturer, after a certain number of repair attampts on a safety-related item.....which a transmission certainly is.......has to replace the vehicle or buy it back. From what G35 has already told us, Toyota has already done that.......given him a replacement car once.....with the same problem.

G35 TX...it's your decision, of course.....along with your wife's......but if she is really that sour on the new Camry, and I can understand it if she is, take her down to the Hyundai shop and see what she thinks of the new Sonata.

I have to agree with mmarshall here - as much as I like the new Camry I'd go grab a Sonata and call it a day. I was skeptical about the new Hynudias too, but now that I've been in a few it's clear to me that they have "cleaned up their act" and are legitimate competition; as afaik their reliabilty has been very good.

that still doesnt make it under lemon law... unless you have had separate contract which stated there would be no issues with it specifically.

But I am sure Toyota will try to accomodate you anyway, it is just that under lemon law you still have a lot to go through...



This is a completely seperate issue and it doesn't call for lemon law, it calls for a defective product which in our case is only 5 days old per the paper work.

All that most lemon laws say is that the manufacturer, after a certain number of repair attampts on a safety-related item.....which a transmission certainly is.......has to replace the vehicle or buy it back. From what G35 has already told us, Toyota has already done that.......given him a replacement car once.....with the same problem.

G35 TX...it's your decision, of course.....along with your wife's......but if she is really that sour on the new Camry, and I can understand it if she is, take her down to the Hyundai shop and see what she thinks of the new Sonata.


You know what she said when I talked to her about the Passat again and Hyundai? I will not be seen driving a Hyundai. LOL.

Okay boss.

You know what she said when I talked to her about the Passat again and Hyundai? I will not be seen driving a Hyundai. LOL.

Okay boss.

Her thinking is a little out of date but I agree that your marriage is more important than a car.

In that case, the Accord may be a good alternative choice. Its quality and repair record for most years have been virtually bulletproof. I have seen some older ones, with proper care, go 300,000 miles. The transmission repair record for Accords in Consumer Reports ( most, of course, are sold with automatics ) has been all red marks ( better than average ) except for the 2000 and 2001 model years...and you and her, of course, will be getting a brand-new car.
If your wife is used to driving non-SE model Camrys, though, she will find the Accord's ride and suspension to be a little stiffer ( for handling ) and the steering a little more responsive, and, depending on the tires, maybe a little more road noise. Although the Camry ( except for the SE ) is a little more of a luxury car in terms of ride and noise isolation, the Accord, though, is far from harsh.

However I do NOT recommend either the Camry or Accord Hybrids. IMO and experience they cost too much, are too complex, and unlike the smaller and cheaper Honda Civic Hybrid and Toyota Prius, don't really give that much more in terms of either gas mileage or power than their more moderately-priced conventional counterparts. You wife ( and your wallet ) would probably be happiest with the Accord LX 4 or V6....it's a nice combination of features, trim, and price.

Her thinking is a little out of date but I agree that your marriage is more important than a car.

In that case, the Accord may be a good alternative choice. Its quality and repair record for most years have been virtually bulletproof. I have seen some older ones, with proper care, go 300,000 miles. The transmission repair record for Accords in Consumer Reports ( most, of course, are sold with automatics ) has been all red marks ( better than average ) except for the 2000 and 2001 model years...and you and her, of course, will be getting a brand-new car.
If your wife is used to driving non-SE model Camrys, though, she will find the Accord's ride and suspension to be a little stiffer ( for handling ) and the steering a little more responsive, and, depending on the tires, maybe a little more road noise.


Well I am sure it drives like my TL. And she says its a bit stiff for a Luxury car. Hehe.

We will see what happens. I will keep everyone informed again.

Well I am sure it drives like my TL. And she says its a bit stiff for a Luxury car. Hehe.

We will see what happens. I will keep everyone informed again.

OK...........good luck.:)

You know what she said when I talked to her about the Passat again and Hyundai? I will not be seen driving a Hyundai. LOL.

Okay boss.

I know a lot of people who think like that. They may make decent cars now but it is going to more than a decade or so for people to forget.

The Accord would probably be the closest thing to a Camry or maybe even an Altima. TSX might suit your needs as well.

I know a lot of people who think like that. They may make decent cars now but it is going to more than a decade or so for people to forget.

The Accord would probably be the closest thing to a Camry or maybe even an Altima. TSX might suit your needs as well.



The '05-'06 Accord EX-L('07 will be out soon) is a good choice. Reasonably priced, roomy, comfy & starting in '05+ are very reliable(4cyl accords/ Hybrid). The V6 is not as reliable but still above avg. The only drawback is that the redesigned '08 Accord will be out in ~ 1yr.(summer of '07).

The TSX is around the same size as the new '06 Civic. The Civic does everything the TSX does(and then some) but w/ fresher styling and a better price so the civic is a better choice than the TSX and is rated higher by Consumer Reports.

If you want to stay in something the same size as the Camry and dont mind next yrs redesign go w/ the '05-'07 Accord.

In 1-2 yrs. all the issues w/ the Camry w/ be solved but unfortunatley that does nothing for current Camry buyers.

And the Passat is a thousand times better looking than the Camry too with better materials in and out.

I think the new Camry is a LOT better looking than the Passat.
Especially the SE. That thing is HOT!
Can't believe I'm talking about a Camry but it's true.

:)

You know what she said when I talked to her about the Passat again and Hyundai? I will not be seen driving a Hyundai. LOL.

Okay boss.

If you want TOP QUALITY. a Hyundai dealer is actually one of the places
you need to be. Seriously.

You need to bring yourself and your girlfriend/wife into 2006.

Good luck with your next purchase.

:)

You know what she said when I talked to her about the Passat again and Hyundai? I will not be seen driving a Hyundai. LOL.

Okay boss.

lol, What did she say about the Passat?

I've deleted my post.

And I apologize, G35_TX, for the rudeness/inappropriate nature of my comments.

M.

lol, What did she say about the Passat?

She likes the looks, but she hasn't seen it in person really yet. Just pictures.

Luckly I didn't see this till now Vide. So no big deal. Everyone has their moments.

We had a Excel in the past and new people with Sonatas. She just doesn't like Hyundais anymore. They have always been ugly. The newest Sonata is a sharp copy of the accord. It's nice, but imho, I rather still stay with another brand like Nissan/Toyota/Honda.

Try a 2007 Maxima, they really improved it alot, it's similiar in size and power to the 07 V6 Camry and has just as many nice features

Just started reading this thread. Agree with people on trying out the new Sonata. Bring it home for a test drive and show it to her. She may like it without even knowing its a Hyundai.

Big up to videcormeum for being mature and owning up to his indiscretion. This is why I like CL as opposed to most other forums.

is this only a prob w/the 6 cylinders? does the 4 banger have the same trans?

Folks, keep this thread on track about the original topic please.

I've removed several off topic posts that weren't at all relevant and were insulting. If your post is missing, take a hint and don't re-post it please.

is this only a prob w/the 6 cylinders? does the 4 banger have the same trans?

5 speed auto for the 4 cyl., 6 speed auto for the 6 cyl. They both have issues though. Read reveiws on MSNauto.com

That's not good if the 4 cyl is having issues as well. :(

Well, I have a 06 Camry Rental now due to me complaining about the smoke smell.

We should hear from Toyota today.

G35, what about waiting for the new G35 sedan? Or if you can find any that suit you, Im sure you could also get a really good deal on a year end '06 G. I don't personally like the Maxima but that may also be something to consider if you like something FWD.

G35, what about waiting for the new G35 sedan? Or if you can find any that suit you, Im sure you could also get a really good deal on a year end '06 G. I don't personally like the Maxima but that may also be something to consider if you like something FWD.


The G is a bit too rough and small for her. She even thinks my TL is rough. So that would not be the car for her.

Ever think about an ES? A used one should be ok. Don't know of the newer ES350 is having the same tranny issues.

Same transmission and the ES is having the same problems as well.

its funny I read this thread, I had my IS in for service and they gave me a brand new Es350. I noticed that the tranny felt weird and would clunk once in a while. Thing had 800 miles on it.

Its interesting if you read consumer reports there are only a handful of midsize(economy and Luxury) sedans that rate 'Much Better than Average'. Some are 'above Average' but out of the 'Much Better than Average' category you have the Lexus GS, Infiniti M, Honda Accord(4cyl/ Hybrid) & Toyota Prius. Im not incl. the Lexus IS or LS430 b/ c they are smaller & larger than 'Midsize'.

Update. Toyota has called 3 times today.

And basically here is the deal so far. They are willing to buy the car back, and let us ride off with nothing owed, but also nothing in our pockets and no car. We payed them 1k down and 1800 of payments.

Due to the fact they said the Altima was 12k worth and we owed 15k, they said they would let that slide.

I like the idea of this, but then again she doesn't like the idea of going into a dealer with nothing down or a car and get a new one because the dealer wants to make some money on the trade in. I told her its better this way.

But she told them and they agreed, to see if the Avalon is avaible. Per Toyota Corp, they willl call the dealer to see if they are willing to let go a Avalon loaded without NAV (they won't go higher than that)for the price of the Camry. Toyota will be letting us know on this. If not, we can still walk away.

Also per Toyota, they have a new supplier for the transmissions. And our latest build has a defective one as well. Per them all the new Camrys/ES350s in the past month have them installed, but anything after that has the bad tranny.

It sounds like ur getting a good deal G35_TX but just fyi the Avalon was actually rated worse in predicted reliabilty than the new camry! It was rated average and the camry was rated above average.

Obviously 1st year production on both of these new models has been problematic.

I almost bought an '07 Camry in the only color that I like on it, the Indigo Ink, but after I read the reviews & recalls on the trans. I opted out and went w/ the Royal Blue Pearl '06 Civic EX w/ Nav instead. Havent had 1 problem yet.. I love it!

The Camry will be a great car by '08(or '09 who knows lol) but I feel bad for ppl that bought the 1st yr. models. This would have been what I would have gotten...

I almost bought an '07 Camry in the only color that I like on it, the Indigo Ink, but after I read the reviews & recalls on the trans. I opted out and went w/ the Royal Blue Pearl '06 Civic EX w/ Nav instead. Havent had 1 problem yet.. I love it!

The Camry will be a great car by '08(or '09 who knows lol) but I feel bad for ppl that bought the 1st yr. models. This would have been what I would have gotten...


1st year models on a Toyota you usually don't have to worry about. LOL!

1st year models on a Toyota you usually don't have to worry about. LOL!

Ur right and thats why it took a lot of ppl by surprise. But for future reference just wait a few month after any new car comes out and see what the reviews are. Even on Lexus models just to be safe, as u can see the ES350 is having the same issues.

If you want TOP QUALITY. a Hyundai dealer is actually one of the places
you need to be. Seriously.

You need to bring yourself and your girlfriend/wife into 2006.

Good luck with your next purchase.

:)
Check Sonata forums for problems and then check Toyota Nation (with a lot more owners) new camry boards for problems.

See who has more problems... Rattles, suspension noises, electronics, transmission problems, etc, all can be seen at Sonata forums.

And I have yet to see someone post about ES350 problems. Even with Camry, check Toyota Nation boards about transmission problem as well - only G35 TX has same issue again out of all the people there.

Check Sonata forums for problems and then check Toyota Nation (with a lot more owners) new camry boards for problems.

See who has more problems... Rattles, suspension noises, electronics, transmission problems, etc, all can be seen at Sonata forums.

And I have yet to see someone post about ES350 problems. Even with Camry, check Toyota Nation boards about transmission problem as well - only G35 TX has same issue again out of all the people there.


I agree. My statement is in response toward G35 TX saying he and his wife would never consider or be seen in a Hyundai. They are actually basing this on the Excel (:rolleyes:) they had years ago, lol. It's a little different now.
Inititial quality on new Hyundai's are among the BEST in the industry and people need to throw the past away.

As for Toyota, I've already seen a million new Camry's on the road all of which seem to be doing just fine. :)

Trust me, I'm still with Toyota all the way.

Check Sonata forums for problems and then check Toyota Nation (with a lot more owners) new camry boards for problems.

See who has more problems... Rattles, suspension noises, electronics, transmission problems, etc, all can be seen at Sonata forums.

And I have yet to see someone post about ES350 problems. Even with Camry, check Toyota Nation boards about transmission problem as well - only G35 TX has same issue again out of all the people there.

There really aren't too camry owners who post on car forums, it's a really a small percentage.

I don't care what they say, hyundia just still reminds me of a cheap subclass of car. I'd never buy one. even the new one that's just a total ripoff of a honda accord. that show's how great they are at engineering.they can't even come up with their own look.:rolleyes:

I don't care what they say, hyundia just still reminds me of a cheap subclass of car. I'd never buy one. even the new one that's just a total ripoff of a honda accord. that show's how great they are at engineering.they can't even come up with their own look.:rolleyes:

hyundai is in the same position now as honda and toyota were decades ago, and they are continuing to move up. Theyve already surpassed domestic quality and value, 100k powertrain warranty is unrivaled, not bad for some small korean company no one cared about before. They have done things much larger car companies couldnt do. Their reliability used to be horrid 10 years ago now they are past domestic and now they are challenging honda and toyota for value. Anyone who doesnt see this as a huge accomplishment for such a smaller car company is blind

I don't care what they say, hyundia just still reminds me of a cheap subclass of car. I'd never buy one. even the new one that's just a total ripoff of a honda accord. that show's how great they are at engineering.they can't even come up with their own look.:rolleyes:

Funny to think that people would say the same thing about Lexus years ago.

I don't care what they say, hyundia just still reminds me of a cheap subclass of car. I'd never buy one. even the new one that's just a total ripoff of a honda accord. that show's how great they are at engineering.they can't even come up with their own look.:rolleyes:

Why do people think the Sonata looks like an Accord? There are NO similarities.


Has anyone seen the new Tundra, it looks just like a Viper!

ChuckB was quoted 3 times in a minute, lol.

Why do people think the Sonata looks like an Accord? There are NO similarities.


Has anyone seen the new Tundra, it looks just like a Viper!

really? no similarities?

http://images.autotrader.com/images/2006/7/19/205/771/731575819.205771707.IM1.03.565x421_A.562x421.jpg
http://images.autotrader.com/images/2006/7/12/203/501/703265706.203501563.IM1.03.565x421_A.562x421.jpg
http://images.autotrader.com/images/2006/8/23/204/413/870888385.204413178.IM1.05.565x421_A.562x421.jpg
http://images.autotrader.com/images/2006/6/15/203/804/596138270.203804810.IM1.03.565x421_A.562x421.jpg

I think that part of the problem w/ people not taking Hyundai seriously despite their efforts is a result of their pricing. Much like Acura in the luxury market, if you are known to be a value brand that is cheaper than the competition, that may relegate you to a lower tier despite the quality of product. There is always the "You get what you pay for" mentality.

I do not know if it is part of their culture but Koreans have long copied others: even back to when they came up w/ Gamera as their version of Godzilla. They even had a horned quadruped named Barugon that was very similar to Japan's Baragon:
http://jumbow.main.jp/5en/baragon.jpg http://www.oneglio.net/collezioni/immagini/img_mostri/barugon.jpg


& yes, they Sonata does resemble an Accord especially this part:
http://www.honda.ch/images/shared/new_layout/emblem.gif http://v2.dealermaid.com/assets/images/manufacturer_logo/Hyundai.jpg

and back on topic

yeah, ive read all over the net that new Camrys have quite a big problem with the trannys

toyota is aware of it and is fixing it case by case as said before

im sure toyota will try to get u the avalon since they really dont want any issues and want to keep up with their good brand image
right now they are dealing with big damage control

throwing money in to put the fire out
im sure toyota corp will reimburse the dealership and get u that avalon w/out NAV
as long as u havent promised not to sue them that is

really? no similarities?

Still don't see any similarities. Are you just talking about the taillights?
The taillights are totally different. Not even close.

I'm used to it. All I ever hear these days is that every car looks the same.:uh:

Cars look more distinguished today then ever before. Look at past decades and you'll see much more similarities.

I agee, the new Sonata looks exactly like the Accord.

Check Sonata forums for problems and then check Toyota Nation (with a lot more owners) new camry boards for problems.

See who has more problems... Rattles, suspension noises, electronics, transmission problems, etc, all can be seen at Sonata forums.

And I have yet to see someone post about ES350 problems. Even with Camry, check Toyota Nation boards about transmission problem as well - only G35 TX has same issue again out of all the people there.


Obviously you didn't look well. Look in the ES350 forum. lots of problems and most related to the transmission.

What do you mean I only have the issue? Every other post on Toyota Nation is about the Tranny dieing.

Still don't see any similarities. Are you just talking about the taillights?
The taillights are totally different. Not even close.

I'm used to it. All I ever hear these days is that every car looks the same.:uh:

Cars look more distinguished today then ever before. Look at past decades and you'll see much more similarities.

LOL. Put some glasses on.

LOL. Put some glasses on.


I have perfect vision, thanks.

Actually I'm an Industrial Designer. You know, those guys that design cars along with every other product in existence? I have a little experience with how things look.

People just need to learn how distinguish a little better.

So both the Accord and Sonata have rectilinear taillights that are similar in size. That makes them look the same?

How many cars have had triangular tails in the last 8 years? I guess they're all the same then.

Look, a Mercedes!!! :rolleyes:

I've closed this once and am going to do it again soon..
1. I have no intentions of coming into car chat and seeing this thread bumped everyday to the top. I am also a member of ToyotaNation, where you can get tons more help there than here.
2. We are going off-topic again.

I think that part of the problem w/ people not taking Hyundai seriously despite their efforts is a result of their pricing. Much like Acura in the luxury market, if you are known to be a value brand that is cheaper than the competition, that may relegate you to a lower tier despite the quality of product. There is always the "You get what you pay for" mentality.

I do not know if it is part of their culture but Koreans have long copied others: even back to when they came up w/ Gamera as their version of Godzilla. They even had a horned quadruped named Barugon that was very similar to Japan's Baragon:
http://jumbow.main.jp/5en/baragon.jpg http://www.oneglio.net/collezioni/immagini/img_mostri/barugon.jpg


Lol, this is getting ridiculous.

FYI, Gamera, Godzilla, Barugon, and Baragon are all creatures created in Japanese movies in the 50's and 60's. They have nothing to do with Korea. I suggest doing some research to get the facts straight, before suggesting that one culture is a copycat of another.

Of course, I don't know what this has to do with Camry replacement trannies dying, but some of the stuff you see here is just so factually incorrect and funny...

if the accord looks like the sonata, and the sonata looks like the IS350, does that mean the accord looks like the IS350? :D jk

:D

With the transmission fiasco going on, buyers will buy toyota products regardless, because of toyota's reputation. If anything, most people will see the tranny issue as an isolated case, unless toyota plans to recall a huge amount of transmission.

STOP GETTING OFF TOPIC AND GETTING THE POOR GUY'S THREAD LOCKED!!!

keep comments about sonata and accord in its own thread

The Sonata is a shameless Accord rip off, and I strongly believe Honda revised Accords tail lights shortly after Sonata's launch just to distinguish it from the cheap corean copy cat.

STOP GETTING OFF TOPIC AND GETTING THE POOR GUY'S THREAD LOCKED!!!

keep comments about sonata and accord in its own thread

I agree. It was locked for some comments made by another individual. I rather not have it locked again. Back on topic please.

UPDATE TODAY.

Toyota called again. They now said Toyota is considering not helping. But she is working hard to get them to work with us. This isn't right since this is the 2nd car. This might start to get ugly is all I can say.

UPDATE TODAY.

Toyota called again. They now said Toyota is considering not helping. But she is working hard to get them to work with us. This isn't right since this is the 2nd car. This might start to get ugly is all I can say.


I'm suprised,
Toyota is by far the richest car company on the planet. There shouldn't be an issue with them giving you 100 free Camry's to satsfy you. They wouldn't feel it. It would be shocking in the least if Toyota doesn't help.

I'm suprised,
Toyota is by far the richest car company on the planet. There shouldn't be an issue with them giving you 100 free Camry's to satsfy you. They wouldn't feel it. It would be shocking in the least if Toyota doesn't help.

x2

If Toyota admits the problem only happens on very few camrys (relative to how many are sold), then they should have no problem (financially) satisfying the customer. I dont see what is toyota's reasoning for not fixing the issue, after all, I doubt they'll want their reputation to go down.

Is it Toyota or the dealer..
And it still maybe locked or moved to maintenance since this is about a Camry Tranny...

in my experience toyota dealers are much less eager to please than lexus dealers. they really don't care about goodwill at all compared to lexus.

Is it Toyota or the dealer..
And it still maybe locked or moved to maintenance since this is about a Camry Tranny...

You're right. It's the dealer, but Toyota (USA) should be able to push customer satisfaction through their dealer networks. I find it hard to believe a dealer would rather lose a customer, than to lose a few thousands and possible a reputation. Sadly, there are a few toyota dealers around here that are #*&^ :sad:

I don't care what they say, hyundia just still reminds me of a cheap subclass of car. I'd never buy one. even the new one that's just a total ripoff of a honda accord. that show's how great they are at engineering.they can't even come up with their own look.:rolleyes:


I don't quite follow your reasoning.

If you like the Accord so much, what's wrong with buying an " Accord " with almost twice the warranty, comparable quality, less arrogant dealerships, and a lower price ? :uh:

Is it Toyota or the dealer..
And it still maybe locked or moved to maintenance since this is about a Camry Tranny...

It's Toyota Corp not the dealer. Also this is Car Talk means anything about other cars.

I don't quite follow your reasoning.

If you like the Accord so much, what's wrong with buying an " Accord " with almost twice the warranty, comparable quality, less arrogant dealerships, and a lower price ? :uh:

hi mmarshall-I never said I liked the accord so much.

I don't disagree the hyundia is probably a sensible car for someone on a budget, I personally just wouldn't buy one.

Guys please get this thread back on topic. It's not about Hyundai or Honda.


Thanks

x2

If Toyota admits the problem only happens on very few camrys (relative to how many are sold), then they should have no problem (financially) satisfying the customer. I dont see what is toyota's reasoning for not fixing the issue, after all, I doubt they'll want their reputation to go down.
its not about fixing the issue... they will fix the issue.
He wants more - read his posts before. He wanted better deal on Avalon that they were suggesting...

He also doesnt understand that with them giving him an new car, he has no legal basis for lemon law as this is first time car is broken and they have 6 tries to fix it. After he talks to the lawyers, I have a feeling he wont have issues with their original suggestions and deal on Avalon he wants.

G35_TX why dont you get a fully loaded Prius instead of the less reliable(as of '05) Avalon? The Prius is actually rated the most reliable new vehicle on the road & u will about double your Fuel Economy ;)

Below is a link to some Customer reviews on the '06 Avalon...

http://autos.msn.com/research/userreviews/reviewlist.aspx?ModelID=11829&search=LowestRated&num=25&pos=0&RL=492796,486063,483821,492512,492295,487439,48903 5,480745,483685,493676,485449,481586,494196,488658 ,484606,482239,482102,494218,492413,484493,495680, 491311,484405,496925,494344,497826,496994,496842,4 96410,494390,490318,486694,486308,483537,481344,47 9198,497347,496878,495415,490855,489865,487680,484 253,483768,482095,481422,480113,478661,478617,4980 17,494712,493438,492296,489070,486860,486712,48506 4,484969,484861,484476,484338,484217,483047,481200 ,481085,480945,480306,480009,479912,478771,478674,&csort=LowestRated#reviewnav

its not about fixing the issue... they will fix the issue.
He wants more - read his posts before. He wanted better deal on Avalon that they were suggesting...

He also doesnt understand that with them giving him an new car, he has no legal basis for lemon law as this is first time car is broken and they have 6 tries to fix it. After he talks to the lawyers, I have a feeling he wont have issues with their original suggestions and deal on Avalon he wants.

Texas Lemon Law = 3 tries to fix it. Or if its a Safety item, one try. They replaced the car. 2nd Car blew. That is Lemon Law.

Today Toyota called and the Dealer. The dealer is now working to get us a Avalon. They came to the HOUSE and got her to sign papers to remove GAP and extended warranty from the car to drop the loan down. Once that is done, then the loan will be wiped out. That is what we were told by Toyota and the dealer. But its not 100% definite yet.

So they are working hard. To either let us walk or work on a Avalon.

Good luck with the Avalon deal. I hope it works out for you.

If anything, I'd go with a GM product. Their modern powertrains are rock solid, unfortunately they still suffer from a perception problem. If you go to Toyota Nation (where I hang out), you'll be surprised by the large number of complaints about the Camry. And I'm not talking about squeaks and rattles (of which there are plenty of complaints) but powertrain related issues.

Don't Toyota and GM both use Aisin transmissions now?

Texas Lemon Law = 3 tries to fix it. Or if its a Safety item, one try. They replaced the car. 2nd Car blew. That is Lemon Law.

Today Toyota called and the Dealer. The dealer is now working to get us a Avalon. They came to the HOUSE and got her to sign papers to remove GAP and extended warranty from the car to drop the loan down. Once that is done, then the loan will be wiped out. That is what we were told by Toyota and the dealer. But its not 100% definite yet.

So they are working hard. To either let us walk or work on a Avalon.

G35_TX, any new developments? You left us w/ "they are working hard. To either let us walk or work on a Avalon".

Here are some funny & interesting consumer reviews on the '07 Camry(btw I know some of them may be fake but most are real ;) ...

http://autos.msn.com/research/userreviews/reviewlist.aspx?ModelID=12035&search=LowestRated&num=25&pos=0&RL=492769,498119,492746,492132,493083,490576,49710 2,492244,493168,492770,497827,492707,488669,497729 ,497910,494925,491216,489131,489007,492391,489693, 498546,495755,492671,495780,488467,488540,492654,4 89010,491504,496687,494766,493360,492344,498101,49 8066,497713,496768,496135,494496,494303,493711,492 959,492417,492046,489427,495556,497535,498126,4933 63,491583,498170,497702,493192,488971,497025,49680 0,495921,495625,491598,490733,498534,497259,496937 ,496857,496700,495006,494427,494374,493683,492097, 491378,490655,490038,490031,489302,498634,496649,4 95765,495219,493659,493354,493306,493253,493067,49 2822,492567,492086,492012,491733,491691,491286,490 530,489857,489646,488763,498951,497779,497428,4970 98,496788,496668,496655,496527,496285,495082,49476 0,494577,494466,494207,494071,493216,493181,492868 ,492748,492730,492441,492351,492257,492163,491707, 491287,491265,491087,491075,490306,489954,489486,4 88810,488646,488561,&csort=LowestRated#reviewnav

Sorry that I haven't updated in a while. Been really busy. I am currently driving the new Camry that now has the replacement transmission. IMHO it still is shifting weird and hard in some areas. Toyota told us they will let us go if we pay them $500 to clear the loan and walk away. So looks like they won't just let us walk clear which is pissing me off for all this time we have wasted. We could go to Arbriation (however you spell that) that is going after Toyota now. But to get this over with, we are seriously thinking about just doing it and going somewhere else.

The GAP and Extended warranty has been refunded and now Toyota said early next week we should be clear once the papers are signed and we turn the Camry in. Just waiting for that to happen.

For a replacement car, (since she has been driving my TL for 2+ weeks, she loves it). Said its quieter and more refined than her Camry was. And I agree after driving that Camry for the past week. But if she can get this taken care of in the next few days, we will be looking at a new 06 Acura RL that is left for $40,900. ($9k off) If not she wants to get another TL for her. After looking at the Avalons she doesn't like them. Also has a hate for Toyota period now. Which I also kinda do.



G35_TX, any new developments? You left us w/ "they are working hard. To either let us walk or work on a Avalon".

Here are some funny & interesting consumer reviews on the '07 Camry(btw I know some of them may be fake but most are real ;) ...

http://autos.msn.com/research/userreviews/reviewlist.aspx?ModelID=12035&search=LowestRated&num=25&pos=0&RL=492769,498119,492746,492132,493083,490576,49710 2,492244,493168,492770,497827,492707,488669,497729 ,497910,494925,491216,489131,489007,492391,489693, 498546,495755,492671,495780,488467,488540,492654,4 89010,491504,496687,494766,493360,492344,498101,49 8066,497713,496768,496135,494496,494303,493711,492 959,492417,492046,489427,495556,497535,498126,4933 63,491583,498170,497702,493192,488971,497025,49680 0,495921,495625,491598,490733,498534,497259,496937 ,496857,496700,495006,494427,494374,493683,492097, 491378,490655,490038,490031,489302,498634,496649,4 95765,495219,493659,493354,493306,493253,493067,49 2822,492567,492086,492012,491733,491691,491286,490 530,489857,489646,488763,498951,497779,497428,4970 98,496788,496668,496655,496527,496285,495082,49476 0,494577,494466,494207,494071,493216,493181,492868 ,492748,492730,492441,492351,492257,492163,491707, 491287,491265,491087,491075,490306,489954,489486,4 88810,488646,488561,&csort=LowestRated#reviewnav

If you can get the RL for $40k, you would be crazy not to take it. It's a fabulous car. I want one for myself. :D

Texas Lemon Law = 3 tries to fix it. Or if its a Safety item, one try. They replaced the car. 2nd Car blew. That is Lemon Law.

Today Toyota called and the Dealer. The dealer is now working to get us a Avalon. They came to the HOUSE and got her to sign papers to remove GAP and extended warranty from the car to drop the loan down. Once that is done, then the loan will be wiped out. That is what we were told by Toyota and the dealer. But its not 100% definite yet.

So they are working hard. To either let us walk or work on a Avalon.
yes... they gave you new car. So now they have 3 times to fix that new car. :-), or 1 time if it is safety issue. Which is why you will never claim lemon law and you know it. I am sure you already discussed it with someone who knows law better than either of us...

Replacing the car is like fixing the problem. It doesn't mean it restarts it. So its still the SAME PROBLEM. So it can be done as lemon law if we wanted it too.

It doesn't matter to me, because Toyota has no grounds to stand on.

....
For a replacement car, (since she has been driving my TL for 2+ weeks, she loves it). Said its quieter and more refined than her Camry was. And I agree after driving that Camry for the past week...

Well, I would HOPE the TL is more refined since it cost many thousands more and is an entry level luxury car. I hope you and her don't expect a Camry to fairly compare. That's what Accords are for! :p

id say spit that camry back into their face and go for the RL

ive been reading some of ur posts on toyotanation and i feel ur pain
is this third camry using the 3rd gen auto tranny or the second version?

i thought toyota wouldve came up with a decent 6-speed by now

Well, I would HOPE the TL is more refined since it cost many thousands more and is an entry level luxury car. I hope you and her don't expect a Camry to fairly compare. That's what Accords are for! :p

Actually, our Camry was over 30k. It's loaded with Navi.

2nd Camry now with replacement tranny. Dunno what gen it has.

2nd Camry now with replacement tranny. Dunno what gen it has.

So you've been given two replacement cars? Have you taken a look at that Passat yet?

No. She told me she doesn't want the Passat. So that got knocked out.

Today traveling on I-95 I saw a brand new(had a temp tag) '07 Camry stopped on the shoulder of the highway. There was a flatbed towtruck putting it up on the lift. Poor guy had a blown transmission! There was NO damage whatsover to the vehicle and obviously he did not run out of gas :thumbdn:

Toyota need to get this issue fixed by '08 MY(which I think they will) or the Camry legacy will be over:thumbdn:

G35_TX, the RL @ that price is a great buy and I think thats the best way to go :thumbup: Or if u find it possible to go a little higher in your budget then the GS350 would also be a great choice ;)

Friday we will be picking up the RL w/o tech to replace our POS 2nd replacement Camry.
Toyota is buying it back. So we couldn't go without a car, so we got the RL now and the Camry should be gone maybe by the end of this week if not definitely next week. GAP and Extended warranty and one more car payment have hit the loan. So we are clear once they finish the paperwork. So the Camry will be parked in the garage sitting safe till it goes back.

The RL is beautiful. We will have pics later when I can get some online. It is Silver / Ebony. Last one left other than the black and grey RL.

$40,900 was the price of it. TTL was around $43,5k.

Friday we will be picking up the RL w/o tech to replace our POS 2nd replacement Camry.
Toyota is buying it back. So we couldn't go without a car, so we got the RL now and the Camry should be gone maybe by the end of this week if not definitely next week. GAP and Extended warranty and one more car payment have hit the loan. So we are clear once they finish the paperwork. So the Camry will be parked in the garage sitting safe till it goes back.

The RL is beautiful. We will have pics later when I can get some online. It is Silver / Ebony. Last one left other than the black and grey RL.

$40,900 was the price of it. TTL was around $43,5k.

That is a killer price on the RL. If our local dealer is willing to sell the RL for anything under $45K I will seriously think about it. Right now since they are the only game in town prices are all pretty high yet. The RL is a great car so I hope you enjoy it:thumbup:

Toyota Camry to Acura RL? You are going to be in heaven.

Why did you guys buy a Camry when you have the means to buy an RL?? :uh:

Also, I hope you don't judge the Camry against the RL because you can get two Camry's for the regular price of an RL. Be fair! :)

I also wouldn't refer to the Camry as a POS. It has one bad part in the transmission causing it to go. The overall car itself is still a great car.

The Camry was $33k. It was loaded with NAVI, etc. So its only about 10 TTL difference. But yea different breed of cars.

Yes, the car is a great car and great looking car. I agree. I am just upset and called it a POS. The Tranny is a POS. :)



Why did you guys buy a Camry when you have the means to buy an RL?? :uh:

Also, I hope you don't judge the Camry against the RL because you can get two Camry's for the regular price of an RL. Be fair! :)

I also wouldn't refer to the Camry as a POS. It has one bad part in the transmission causing it to go. The overall car itself is still a great car.

Great deal on the RL! I dont think you can buy a better new midsize luxury sedan for $43.5k OTD! I like all the Acura sedans but out of the '06's the RL is the only one that looks good to me, nice shape and features :thumbup:

The Camry was $33k. It was loaded with NAVI, etc. So its only about 10 TTL difference. But yea different breed of cars.
:)

Typical well equiped Camry's are around 25K though and RL's typically $50K+.

I don't know how you got an RL for $43K. Brand new?

RLs dont typically go for $50k+ unless the buyer doesn't really know how to buy. The MSRP on the RL is up to $48k or so, and that's with a crap load of standard stuff. Really, there are no optional features that would put it well above $50k.

Acura dealers are slashing prices off the RL now. G35_TX bought the RL without the tech package, so it's going to cost around the lower end RL price range.

For $43.5k, you can't really find a better car :D

Typical equiped Camrys are around 25k yes. But not a XLE V6 with Navi (which is rare in a Camry).

RL price was $40,9k TTL 43,5k~. 2007s are coming in, and they are clearing the 06's out. Most dealers per acurazine are clearing them out for around the same price I got this one at.

Here are some pics of it at the dealer when we saw it. Will have better pics once we get it tinted.

http://sah2o.com/pimpin/rl/RL-1.jpg

http://sah2o.com/pimpin/rl/RL-2.jpg

http://sah2o.com/pimpin/rl/RL-3.jpg

http://sah2o.com/pimpin/rl/RL-4.jpg

http://sah2o.com/pimpin/rl/RL-5.jpg

http://sah2o.com/pimpin/rl/RL-6.jpg

http://sah2o.com/pimpin/rl/RL-7.jpg

http://sah2o.com/pimpin/rl/RL-8.jpg

http://sah2o.com/pimpin/rl/RL-9.jpg

http://sah2o.com/pimpin/rl/RL-10.jpg

http://sah2o.com/pimpin/rl/RL-11.jpg

wow. it looks beautiful. I love the wood on the dash. It looks meaty :D

Wow looks awesome!! Congrats!

I hard RL's transmission isn't exactly reliable either.

RLs dont typically go for $50k+ unless the buyer doesn't really know how to buy. The MSRP on the RL is up to $48k or so, and that's with a crap load of standard stuff. Really, there are no optional features that would put it well above $50k.

Acura dealers are slashing prices off the RL now. G35_TX bought the RL without the tech package, so it's going to cost around the lower end RL price range.

For $43.5k, you can't really find a better car :D

They do sticker around $50K though. Even the sticker for G35_TX's is
$49,9xx. Edmonds price quotes are $49K-$53K. They are going for a lot less because they are clearing 06's as stated above and also because RL's just don't sell very well.

I haven't heard any problems with the RL tranny so far.

Come to think of it, the only time the J-series' tranny had problems were in the older accords and TL. I'm sure Acura fixed the problem before introducing the new RL ;)

Wow big difference going from a Camry to an RL, price wise. Congrats and hopefully the RL is a lot more reliable for you than the Camry was.

I hard RL's transmission isn't exactly reliable either.

Really? Because there isn't any known problems with the tranmissions on those cars at all.

We will know after 3k of miles mavericck. Both of the Camrys broke and went into the shop for 2-3 weeks under that time frame. Hehe.

that acura looks really nice man. way nicer than a camry:thumbup:

that's a killer deal on the RL. I cant even believe my eyes and had to look at it twice. Can't go wrong with RL at that price range. I paid something like that for my IS350. At the same price, RL is the winner!

Hope you are happy with this one!

We will know after 3k of miles mavericck. Both of the Camrys broke and went into the shop for 2-3 weeks under that time frame. Hehe.

You will probably be fine, the only things I've heard of giving 05' RL owners problems was electronic things like the keyless ignition (not working) and the light sensor (turning the headlights on during the day and turning them off during the night). No tranny problems thankfully, at least that I could find.

Congrats on the RL - an awesome car, at a killer deal. :thumbup:

10K more than the loaded Camry, but a WAAAAAAAY better vehicle.

Congrats!

Good choice. I still have my eye on one but the fact that it does not have ventilated seats really bothers me for some reason.

The main problem I have read w/ the car is that if you do not turn the ignition knob off the right way, it will drain your battery. Luckily, you have road side assistance.

We picked up the new RL today. And the deal was done. When we get tint done, I will get some more pictures taken.

The Camry is still here in the garage. Should be next week before Toyota takes it back.

CONGRATS!!!..

WOW...you got a really great deal!! no car in that price range can really touch the RL.

Yea, and I am really surprised how much quality difference there is between it and my TL. Hehe. It is definitely a nice car with lots of gadgets which will take me a while to learn.

WOW, that is an INCREDIBLE deal. The only thing on the RL that does not stike my fancy are the rims - wish that had a little more something to them. Change those out and I just love that car.

Keep us updated on how it turns out... oh and and BTW, if the trans goes on this one, then YOU have a problem :)

Some new pics of the car with 20% tint.

http://www.sah2o.com/pimpin/rl-2/RL-1.jpg

http://www.sah2o.com/pimpin/rl-2/RL-4.jpg

gorgeous RL
but i think the shark fin ruins the look of the car, breaks the flow

Wow, you're brave for spending close to $30k for a camry.:D

Glad to see your car-venture is over.
That RL is steal and no way in the same league as the camry.:thumbup:
It even has the jp-style tail that us gs owners want:p

sorry to hear that. New camrys are sex.

Sweet, the RL is a really nice vehicle :thumbup:

33k was the MSRP tag on the Camry. Due to what options that it had added. This RL was 40,9k. Wasn't that much more really and a way nicer car.

Update guys. We do still have the Camry. The Camry refund check has hit the bank from Toyota, and is now paid off. I just drove it to put a few gallons more in the tank we will be taking it on Friday to the dealer to sign the paperwork for returning it and dropping the car back off.

One thing she said to me which made me laugh a little. She said, man when it rains and I drive the RL, it changes completely. It feels weird, it feels like it has CLAWS and it just turns and goes. She said it feels like someone is pushing me. HEhehehe. I said thats the AWD system working. I told her you should put the monitor up and look at it to see how it works when you can.

Did you post or have any pics of your one or two Camry's? I see the pics of the RL. Do you have a tranny screw or some documentation to show us about the 2 camry's trannies blowing?

I think he posted the picture of his camry before. The first one. Not sure if he posted any prove to the blown tranny. But yes we would like to see some evidence for this issues.

lol. Please call Kyle at Universal Toyota in San Antonio. He is the service manager and has been taking care of us through this whole situation. If you want evidence you can call him.

Many others on toyotanation.com have had multiple Camrys replaced as well.

Sick, please do not start causing trouble in here.

Sick, please do not start causing trouble in here.


How is he causing trouble??

It's not wrong to want evidence especially when talking about one
of the highest quality cars in history.

:)

Evidence is all over the net. I do not need to prove anything. If we still have the service records for both the Camrys I will try to scan them tonight. Hopefully she didn't throw them away.

Ive been following this thread off and on and seeing this last page makes me wonder if we're calling G35_TX a liar...? Why does someone need to show documentation to prove that he had two Camry's both of which had defective transmissions? Maybe there needs to be a poll here, yes or no, if we feel he's lying. Is it because his ID refers to some other car than a Lexus/Toyota that he loses credibility? I mean come on, if he told you he took a crap 45 minutes ago would you need documentation or a pic of that too?

I certainly believe him.
But the Camry issue isn't as widespread as this thread may have it seem.
It's actually a very small percentage of the 2007 Camry's. He just had very bad luck getting two of them.

I certainly believe him.
But the Camry issue isn't as widespread as this thread may have it seem.
It's actually a very small percentage of the 2007 Camry's. He just had very bad luck getting two of them.


If it's so small, why is it so huge all over the internet on reviews, forums, dealers all know about it, and Toyota is so tired of it already (the lady we been talking too) has way too many to deal with. It is a big issue, bigger than you think.

It always amazes me that people (Toyota fanboys) think that Toyota can do no wrong, when in fact they make mistakes just like any other car manufacturer.

It always amazes me that people (Toyota fanboys) think that Toyota can do no wrong, when in fact they make mistakes just like any other car manufacturer.

every company makes mistakes, just some companies have a hell of a lot more than others

^^^ I agree with 4TehNguyen

If it's so small, why is it so huge all over the internet on reviews, forums, dealers all know about it, and Toyota is so tired of it already (the lady we been talking too) has way too many to deal with. It is a big issue, bigger than you think.

Just remember that Toyota moves like 50,000 Camry's a month. It's the best selling car in the US. If it was a large percentage, everyone would here about and it would be on the 6 O'Clock news. Really, it's just people that go online and talk about through word of mouth that even know about this.

I do agree though, that it is not a small problem, just not a huge problem.

And yes, Toyota makes mistakes like everyone else. Just less of them.:p

every company makes mistakes, just some companies have a hell of a lot more than others

And some are getting worse and some are getting better.

A few weeks ago, I dropped by the toyota dealership to get ATF fluid (lexus dealer wanted $12/qt :egads:). I overheard one customer in the lounge room that he's waiting for the final words on his car because he has a transmission problem like G35_TX. Although I have only heard one case personally, it doesn't mean the problem is that small. I can see how this situation can sometimes be blown out of proportion, after all, the camry is the 2nd best selling car for the consumers. I'd also be worried if one of the most reliable cars out there has transmission problems.

is it the same exact problem the ES350 has been having? slipping in second and third gear?

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=240348

Clearly there is a problem. We have all seen some people say the trannies are acting funny or even worst case fail. I am glad to see Toyota actively trying to pursue a fix, they are aware of the problem.

SOme of it to me is still a combination of more parts, trying to hold down costs and to me, the biggest issue is we have daily driver family cars and sedans from all companies making TONS of power and these parts just fail. Its every company, not just Acura, not just Toyota, not just GM.

Marketing has dictated what sells, more and more power, people want the power and the engineers are like "WTF" as they have to build these cars and hold costs.

I am all for progress but I don't understand why your average car needs more than 200hp. I don't.

I am all for progress but I don't understand why your average car needs more than 200hp. I don't.


then why'd you buy a GS430 and not a GS300?:D I think you kinda understand.;)

then why'd you buy a GS430 and not a GS300?:D I think you kinda understand.;)

I said "average" car. A GS (or cars in its class) are not average cars.;) :thumbup:

...after all, the camry is the 2nd best selling car for the consumers...

2nd? When did this happen? Unless your talking about worldwide.
Camry is #1 in the US.
Am I wrong?

^^^ Yeah Camry has been #1 the past I think 4 years and 6 of the last 7...

is it the same exact problem the ES350 has been having? slipping in second and third gear?

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=240348

Yes you loose 2nd gear when it goes. It's that and flaring problems.

Here is some pics I just took now when washing my TL. It will go bye bye tomorrow. As you can see the plate is expired since its been sitting for 2-3 weeks. She did throw away the service records. So I do not have them anymore.

http://sah2o.com/camry/camry1.jpg

http://sah2o.com/camry/camry2.jpg

http://sah2o.com/camry/camry3.jpg

And even the VIN

http://sah2o.com/camry/camry4.jpg

Thank you :)

2nd? When did this happen? Unless your talking about worldwide.
Camry is #1 in the US.
Am I wrong?

Notice I said consumer ;)

The camry gets the #1 selling car status because it includes fleet sales. Honda doesn't really sell to fleet and if they do, it's a very very low quantity. Excluding fleet sales, the Accord is favored more than the camry for the consumers like you and I. :)

First half of 2006:

Accord – Total: 38,043; Retail: 37,625 (Fleet: 1%)
Passat – Total: 5,003; Retail: 4,918 (Fleet:2%)
Altima – Total: 17,669; Retail: 15,143 (Fleet: 14%)
Milan – Total: 3,490; Retail: 2,970 (Fleet:15%)
Fusion – Total: 13,612; Retail: 11,053 (Fleet:19%)
Camry - Total: 41,892; Retail: 34,084 (Fleet: 19%)
Mazda6 – Total: 6,192; Retail: 4,236 (Fleet:32%)
G6 – Total: 17,516; Retail: 10,107 (Fleet: 42%)
Sonata – Total: 14,039; Retail: 6,978 (Fleet: 50%)
Impala – Total: 26,480; Retail: 11,969 (Fleet: 55%)
Malibu – Total: 17,662; Retail: 7,012 (Fleet: 60%)

anyways, back on topic!

Notice I said consumer ;)

The camry gets the #1 selling car status because it includes fleet sales. Honda doesn't really sell to fleet and if they do, it's a very very low quantity. Excluding fleet sales, the Accord is favored more than the camry for the consumers like you and I. :)

First half of 2006:

Accord – Total: 38,043; Retail: 37,625 (Fleet: 1%)
Passat – Total: 5,003; Retail: 4,918 (Fleet:2%)
Altima – Total: 17,669; Retail: 15,143 (Fleet: 14%)
Milan – Total: 3,490; Retail: 2,970 (Fleet:15%)
Fusion – Total: 13,612; Retail: 11,053 (Fleet:19%)
Camry - Total: 41,892; Retail: 34,084 (Fleet: 19%)
Mazda6 – Total: 6,192; Retail: 4,236 (Fleet:32%)
G6 – Total: 17,516; Retail: 10,107 (Fleet: 42%)
Sonata – Total: 14,039; Retail: 6,978 (Fleet: 50%)
Impala – Total: 26,480; Retail: 11,969 (Fleet: 55%)
Malibu – Total: 17,662; Retail: 7,012 (Fleet: 60%)

anyways, back on topic!

Very good info!

anyone notice the fleet % numbers for domestics? :eek2:

Very good info!

anyone notice the fleet % numbers for domestics? :eek2:

someones gotta build fleet vehicles

I am all for progress but I don't understand why your average car needs more than 200hp. I don't.

Yes you do :D cars have gotten heavier and heavier in recent years. And another factor is TRAFFIC on highways. You know what merging onto 285 at times on some entrances is like - GO GO GO GO GO! :D

Very good info!

anyone notice the fleet % numbers for domestics? :eek2:

Ford Taurus is like 50% or something similar
its like the whole company is dependant on fleet sales...
not to mention crown vic
taxis and police cars make up like 80~90% of them out there lol

btw i think toyota has had this transmission problem fixed in a TSB
and all the camrys built after August do not have this transmission problem from what i hear
is that true?

oh and yeah, i personally consider 220hp in my GS300 a safety feature because it lets me accelerate on highway on-ramps much quicker and matches the traffic speed faster without worries of running out of on-ramp

Very good info!

anyone notice the fleet % numbers for domestics? :eek2:

yeah, because no one wants them. I mean, who would pay retail for a Malibu or Impala??

Fleets get them for great discounts so they by them. Otherwise, the fleets would by Accords too.

btw i think toyota has had this transmission problem fixed in a TSB
and all the camrys built after August do not have this transmission problem from what i hear
is that true?



The transmission TSB is for the 4cyl. only.. the 6cyl./ 6 speed auto which is the model that G35_TX had still has no remedy. That being said I expect Toyota to have the 6 speed auto fixed soon, if not by the '08 MY.

http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1467022#post1467022

Notice I said consumer ;)

The camry gets the #1 selling car status because it includes fleet sales. Honda doesn't really sell to fleet and if they do, it's a very very low quantity. Excluding fleet sales, the Accord is favored more than the camry for the consumers like you and I. :)

First half of 2006:

Accord – Total: 38,043; Retail: 37,625 (Fleet: 1%)
Passat – Total: 5,003; Retail: 4,918 (Fleet:2%)
Altima – Total: 17,669; Retail: 15,143 (Fleet: 14%)
Milan – Total: 3,490; Retail: 2,970 (Fleet:15%)
Fusion – Total: 13,612; Retail: 11,053 (Fleet:19%)
Camry - Total: 41,892; Retail: 34,084 (Fleet: 19%)
Mazda6 – Total: 6,192; Retail: 4,236 (Fleet:32%)
G6 – Total: 17,516; Retail: 10,107 (Fleet: 42%)
Sonata – Total: 14,039; Retail: 6,978 (Fleet: 50%)
Impala – Total: 26,480; Retail: 11,969 (Fleet: 55%)
Malibu – Total: 17,662; Retail: 7,012 (Fleet: 60%)

anyways, back on topic!

WHERE did you find this info? I've been looking for it FOREVER. I now finally feel better because I just could not understand how or why the American consumer preferred the last gen Camry to the Accord.

WHERE did you find this info? I've been looking for it FOREVER. I now finally feel better because I just could not understand how or why the American consumer preferred the last gen Camry to the Accord.

I made a mistake. that statistic in my previous post is for july 2006. Doesn't make sense that honda sells only 38k accords in 6 months :p

Here is the stats for mid-year, but the result doesn't change. The accord still sells more to retail than the camry. This applies for 2005 and 2004 also. Not Probably for a few years back too, but I didn't find anything on that.

mid-year sales for 2006 (accord/camry listed under intermediate category)
http://www.fleet-central.com/af/t_pop_pdf.cfm?action=stat&link=http://www.fleet-central.com/af/stats2006/cars_web.pdf

lists of fleet sales by year/category
http://www.fleet-central.com/af/t_resources.cfm?action=af_stat

who would have thought there would be a site dedicated to fleet owners :D


I think it's kind of deceiving how Toyota advertises the Camry as the best selling car in America on TV to the regular households. Fleet owners will generally buy cars based on incentivies, and most could care less about looks or features as long as the cars have the basics (AC, stereo, etc).

Something is funny. The Acura TL should be there some where.

jgscott what?

Anyways, I was able to get copies of the service receipts for both the Camrys on Friday. I will try to scan them in the next few days.

Did you post or have any pics of your one or two Camry's? I see the pics of the RL. Do you have a tranny screw or some documentation to show us about the 2 camry's trannies blowing?

This is ridiculous. Head over to the Camry forum at ToyotaNation for proof.

Something is funny. The Acura TL should be there some where.


:uh: What does that mean?? How does it relate to anything in this thread?

Please explain. :)

I have a feeling that if I posted a thread about having two Chevy Impalas with dead transmissions that the people here would not be so skeptical and demanding of proof.

And before anyone says "yeah but that's because GMs are POSes compared to Toyotas"... really they're not. I mean they're behind Toyota in JD Power rankins, but not by all that much, really - plus if there is anything that GM knows how to do right it is good ol' fashioned powertrains - auto transmissions especially. Ask BMW - they're using GM transmissions for their new 6-speed autos!:)

Point being this guy is being given a hard time because he's saying something that people would rather not hear even if it is true, so the automatic defense mechanism is to attack the poster's credibility and claim he might be making the whole thing up.

I for one have heard of quite a few people having problems with the 07+ Camry transmissions.

I know my parent's 05 4-cyl Camry is of a very different design but even they had some strange issues with theirs... although it ended up being a simple fix of replacing some valve body in the trans and changing the programming... the dealer at one point was hinting at the possibility of having to put a new transmission in there.

And I think we all know the 02-06 ES300/330 transmissions weren't exactly making many friends either. They didn't have many breakdowns, but their shift characteristics were just downright bad in some people's opinions (mine included after driving a few loaners).

FWD automatic transmissions have never been a strong point of Toyota's, IMO.

This is ridiculous. Head over to the Camry forum at ToyotaNation for proof.
lol, I am a member there thank you.:) As in know people, not just hiding behind a computer. If you read my posts you would clearly see I admit there is a tranny issue with Toyota.:)
:uh: What does that mean?? How does it relate to anything in this thread?

Please explain. :)

I think he is making a joke about how the TL had its disastrous transmission issue (well Honda/Acura in general) and had to extend warranties to 100k/7 years b/c of it. They still refuse to recall such a widespread problem. It even affected the current TL but mostly the 2004 model, they seem to have fixed it after that. :)

This being said Dave is the only reason this thing is still open. Its outlived its purpose IMO.

You wanna blog, go to myspace.:D

jgscott what?

Anyways, I was able to get copies of the service receipts for both the Camrys on Friday. I will try to scan them in the next few days.

Please do share it with us. thanks

Mod, please do not close this thread yet. Some of the people discredited G35_TX so at least give h