In Laguna Hills, CA

http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/news/abox/article_1289042.php

The myspace profile of the driver that died.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=32463092

Keep it off the streets...

http://4umi.com/image/people/Charles_Darwin.jpg
Wanted for questioning.

"Law enforcement's frustration with racing on the public roadway is not only that these youths don't recognize the harm to themselves, but also that they fail to recognize the danger they pose to the rest of the motoring and pedestrian public," said Capt. Jack Anderson, the sheriff's commander of South County Operations. "They don't look at the consequences of behavior."


That is pure bull ******. These kids know the risks. To say otherwise is to insult their intelligence and ours. I've actually seen and listened to some of these kids being interviewed. They are not idiots. They know they can get hurt or killed, but they admit, by their very own words, that they simply love street racing so much they are willing to take that chance, risk or no risk. What can you do with kids like that? Take their licenses? They just do it without one. As long as kids have physical access to cars, this is going to happen, at least to some extent.

I agree with mmarshall. Putting that kid in jail for "vehicular manslaughter" and driving a car with blah blah blah is messed up.. :\ It was both of their decisions to race, but because 1 died the other goes to jail? That's not cool.

So Im still confused here... Did the CLK win? lol j/k

I think that is what happens when teens get cars like that (M3/CLK55). They are going to do stupid things. I think though that putting the other kid in jail is a bit harsh and extreme.

Is this kids myspace going to end up on that mydeathspace thing or whatever it was?

Don't get me wrong, guys. I didn't say that kids that engage in reckless driving shouldn't be held accountable for it just because so many of them don't listen. In fact, it is just the opposite.....they SHOULD be held accountable because they KNOW what they are doing and they KNOW the risks. Reckless driving through ignorance is one thing ( and few people are really that dumb, or else they wouldn't have a license )......reckless driving when you KNOW better ( as is the case with most kids ) is quite another matter.

the other guy deserves to go to jail. He participated in a race that resulted in someone dying. If he didn't race, no one would have died.

I think that is what happens when teens get cars like that (M3/CLK55).
I'm 100% with you here. There should be a cap, like 10X your age for horsepower of the car you drive.

I'm 100% with you here. There should be a cap, like 10X your age for horsepower of the car you drive.

another way for "big brother" to control us. When you get your driver's license, they should have horsepower rate to which you can handle.

I'm 100% with you here. There should be a cap, like 10X your age for horsepower of the car you drive.

Not all young people suck at driving and irresponsible.

Not all young people suck at driving and irresponsible.
Agreed. Plus with the horsepower craze we have here, how many 160+ HP cars are there left that a teenager would want to drive.

The crash looked pretty terrible. Thank god the two passengers in the M3 didn't die as well. I have to disagree about these "kids" knowing the risk. It is quite obvious that they don't when they decided to race on the streets while putting the lives of their passengers in danger. If they really understood the "risk", they would of had roll cages installed, wore helmets, raced on a track by themselves.

The guy is partly responsible for the other driver's death. This isn't monopoly, you don't get a "get out of jail for free" card in real life.

It bugs me when people start making excuses for the actions of others. Especially when the result is death.

That is pure bull ******. These kids know the risks.

They may be aware that there are risks, but I doubt that they fully realize what those are, or pay any attention to the possibility of what might happen if they go forward with the race. And I seriously doubt that they consider at all what might happen to innocent motorists or bystanders. "What could possibly happen? We're just having fun."

The term nieve comes to mind, and I think it fits this type of situation very well.

They're all stuck with the "It'll never happen to me" mentality.

I dont think the CLK55 should be in jail, its the M3's own action that made that accident happen, if he said no the first place, this wouldnt happen.

Not all young people suck at driving and irresponsible.

Agreed, some people suck at driving, old or young, even grown ups crash in a 100hp car. But young people are more cockier, they think that they can handle it when they cant.

I dont think the CLK55 should be in jail, its the M3's own action that made that accident happen, if he said no the first place, this wouldnt happen.



Agreed, some people suck at driving, old or young, even grown ups crash in a 100hp car. But young people are more cockier, they think that they can handle it when they cant.
Well it never would've happened if the CLK55 driver never asked him to race.

It's like Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

Dude, we're young....... we'll live forever.

I dont think the CLK55 should be in jail, its the M3's own action that made that accident happen, if he said no the first place, this wouldnt happen.



Agreed, some people suck at driving, old or young, even grown ups crash in a 100hp car. But young people are more cockier, they think that they can handle it when they cant.

By that same token, if a girl gets pregnant she should not be allowed to get any child support and the guy should be free to simply walk away. Afterall, the girl could have made the decision to not have sex, correct? :thumbdn:

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Driver of the Mercedes-Benz. Asgarynejad is in custody on suspicion of vehicular manslaughter and operating a vehicle with gross negligence causing death.


If that sticks the judge needs to be hung. Remember this phrase "I am not by brothers keeper" No one made that kid race the other guy. The other guy did not ram the kid into the wall. Give the guy a street racing ticket for $600 and pull his license for a year like most states do and THE END.

It sucks the other guy died, but NO ONE MADE HIM do it. He took his own life. That's not the other guy's problem.


Harsh....................... but real.

By that same token, if a girl gets pregnant she should not be allowed to get any child support and the guy should be free to simply walk away. Afterall, the girl could have made the decision to not have sex, correct? :thumbdn:

You need to try better than that. That is an ignorant and horrible analogy to be frank with you.

You have to factor the guy DOES have interaction in the deal and chooses not to pull.


...........but really that analogy is so off base let's move on.......

Reading that article is next to impossible with those last names, lol.
I can't even tell who's who without the recap/bio at the end.

You need to try better than that. That is an ignorant and horrible analogy to be frank with you.

You have to factor the guy DOES have interaction in the deal and chooses not to pull.


...........but really that analogy is so off base let's move on.......

The CLK55 driver has interaction too. Fact of the matter is that either ONE of them can chose to not race and it would have avoided this incident.

I don't buy the fact that the kids did not fully realize the risks either. They knew, just as one of us knows the risks of even speeding 5 MPH over the speed limit. We choose to ignore it though because we feel we are invincible and that doing it just that one time won't result in anything.

Wanted for questioning.

Way too funny. :D

Sad about the crash though... :sad: I saw the picture of the father though and all I could think is WTF are you doing letting your 18yr old have an M3? :egads:

The CLK55 driver has interaction too. Fact of the matter is that either ONE of them can chose to not race and it would have avoided this incident.

alright lemme 'splain it to you then.

guy in car 1 decides to race guy in car two. At no point in time does guy in car one force himself on guy 2 and MAKE him race.

now,... you still with me?

guy and girl together, girl has no way of knowing guy won't pull, guy does, but doesn't pull.

Should be easy enough to see.........

I agree that vehicular manslaughter is a stretch, but reckless driving is also a crime and an easy conviction in this case. Face it, if the kids' parents give them $60K cars to drive, they're going to hire high-powered lawyers to beat any charges anyway.

The thing that sickened me (I was in L.A. on business last week when this happened) was how on the news they showed these candlelight vigils at the accident scene with all the kid's friends and acquaintances sobbing about how gentle he was, what a nice guy he was, what a waste it was that he died, yadda yadda yadda. It could just as easily have been his buddy in the Benz who crashed and died, or an innocent pedestrian or other driver. It takes more than stupidity to street race at those speeds on common thoroughfares--it takes a selfish disregard for anyone and everyone else on the planet.

alright lemme 'splain it to you then.

guy in car 1 decides to race guy in car two. At no point in time does guy in car one force himself on guy 2 and MAKE him race.

now,... you still with me?

guy and girl together, girl has no way of knowing guy won't pull, guy does, but doesn't pull.

Should be easy enough to see.........

I'm with you, but I do not make that same distinction. While i'm not saying haul the guy off directly to jail, he does need to be held accountable some way. In both this incident and the "pregnant girl" example, all parties involved had the power to stop what happened. The girl may not have known the guy won't pull, but the guy in the benz did not know that the guy in the M3 was going to wreck either. Both the girl and the guy in the benz took a chance and knew there were risks but chose to ignore them.

In any event, we may not agree on the semantics but I think we can both agree that this is an unfortunate incident and what appears to be a decent kid (dint know him personally, just judging by what I've read in his myspace profile) has lost his life.

Way too funny. :D

Sad about the crash though... :sad: I saw the picture of the father though and all I could think is WTF are you doing letting your 18yr old have an M3? :egads:

I totally agree. I think the parents are partially to blame for letting their kids drive these vehicles that could easily kill them. Don't parents know that car accidents is the NO.1 killer of people under 21? That's a freakin' scary statistic.

When my kid is old enough to drive, you think I'm giving him anything with the kind of power like a CLK 55 or an M3? HELL NO! I remember when I was 18 and I maxed out my poor beat up Corolla plenty of times.

It is quite sad about those poor lost young lives. At least there weren't any innocent victims that were uninvolved in the race this time. No disrespect intended.

Ummm. I think this is a re-post. I think its in the 'racing stories' section under 'sad..'
It sucks either way, someone died racing. I feel for his family but if your going to race on the streets then you need to control your car and if you think there is a chance of you lossing control then you should keep it on the track IMH. Now because of people like this my insurence rates will go up AGAIN! I know it sounds cold harted but its not ment to be.

Is it just me or I swear another high profile M3 accident involving a death sadly happened only a year or 2 ago? I know it was cross posted over many forums...

This racing incident was discussed on BMW M3 forum a couple days ago, it was a members cousin that was involved, and sadly passed away at such a young age.:(

This happens all the time when there is a death with ilegal street racing involved. It is nothing new and people have been going to jail for it long before this particular case came up.

The reason why they go to jail is because most states have passed laws that make street racing or excessive speeding a crime. If you are commiting a crime and a death occurs everyone involved is liable. If two guys commit a robery and one guy is only the get away driver, but the other guys kills someone, they both get charged with murder. What is wrong with that?

Either way, no matter if people don't like the law or not I'm glad it exists and that other driver will probably go to jail. It has happened many times before even in my state. Typical jail sentence is usually 5-10 with paroll, and they usually only serve about 3 or so years anyway. Too short if you ask me.

Thing people lack nowadays is the sensibility to make a decision based on their own capabilities. If you're not capable of doing it, don't do it...otherwise there will be nobody but yourself who will be responsible for the consequences. There's too many people who think they can drive at insane speeds whilst being absolutely safe, where they don't realise the limits of their reactions, tires, brakes, suspension...and if any one of those things, especially reactions, were to "fail" you've had it. People don't realise that when doing silly speeds you have to have lightning quick reactions to make even the slightest change in the direction your steering is, when to let off the throttle "gently" and when to start braking instead of braking late.

Kids such as these two are:

1) inexperienced...they think they can do anything since they've driven a 1000bhp Skyline GT-R in Gran Turismo

2) immature...where they will think trying to stop someone passing them is safe and nothing will happen

3) do not realise the consequences...I myself, know everytime I get in my car, to streetrace that I could do something stupid, if not me then someone else might do so when racing me, but I do know that there's always the risk of something like this happening. No matter what anybody says, when you're 18 years old, you will NEVER realise how serious the consequences of street racing are, as it's just "fun". It's later on, when you've lost someone in such a situation, that you realise what can/could/might possibly happen :). I doubt these kids had any idea of what they were doing...it takes ALOT of skill, consideration, talking to other experienced high speed drivers, intuition, practice, etc to even get an idea of what's involved at speeds over 70mph :).

If that sticks the judge needs to be hung. Remember this phrase "I am not by brothers keeper"

Hang the judge? A little harsh? Remember "accessory to murder".

No one made that kid race the other guy. The other guy did not ram the kid into the wall. Give the guy a street racing ticket for $600 and pull his license for a year like most states do and THE END.

It sucks the other guy died, but NO ONE MADE HIM do it. He took his own life. That's not the other guy's problem.

Well yes it is. If they hadn't BOTH chosen to race, neither would be dead. It's pretty simple. You choose to race, someone dies, you're still liable.

Harsh....................... but real.

Harsh, but wrong. Not to mention your $600 fine and license pull won't act as a deterrant to others. Put him in jail and maybe his friends will think twice about racing.

not to be mean but u think an 18 year old with a m3 drives like a granny? u think he drives the speed limit? anyone dumb enough to think that this was a first time thing is retarded. that kid raced the crap out of the car. he knew what he was getting himself into. what im trying to say that there are consiquences to everything u do. he knew what the risk were, but that didnt stop him. he messed up and met his maker. his fault. i seriously dont feel sorrry for the kid or his family. his family bought him a race car, come on how stupid can u be to spend 60k on a car for an 18 year old.

I'm 100% with you here. There should be a cap, like 10X your age for horsepower of the car you drive.

So someone with track experience and autocross experience should be limited to driving 220 hp. But my mother who has NO racing experience whatsoever can have a 600 hp vehicle? Thats ridicoulous. I guarantee you im a much better performance driver then she is.

When I first read the header of this thread, I was a little upset about someone being killed. But later when I read that person's blog and his friends' blog, knowing more about what this person and his circle are up to... I don't really feel that bad at all.

just because driver A crashed and burned racing driver B, doesn't mean it's driver B's fault. if driver A lost control (unless driver B cut him off or something, then that's different) that's his fault.

Is it just me or I swear another high profile M3 accident involving a death sadly happened only a year or 2 ago? I know it was cross posted over many forums...


Yea it was a member of e46fanatics..He was from miami,fla

just because driver A crashed and burned racing driver B, doesn't mean it's driver B's fault. if driver A lost control (unless driver B cut him off or something, then that's different) that's his fault.

I agree. Driver B should have his driver's license revoked for 5 years. Having to take the bus and depending on friends to get around will certainly show him the mistake he made.

It sucks to have such an obvious privilege taken away.

I have to disagree about these "kids" knowing the risk. It is quite obvious that they don't when they decided to race on the streets while putting the lives of their passengers in danger. If they really understood the "risk", they would of had roll cages installed, wore helmets, raced on a track by themselves.
I'd have to respectfully disagree with that; these folks definitely know what the risks might be when choosing to partake in an illegal street race...the problem is they have the mentality that it can't happen to them because they either believe that they're skilled enough not to get themselves in such a sticky situation, or that they know their limits--you know, the "immortality" attitude that seems to be fairly more common among younger folks.

Edit--I see RX_330 beat me to it and basically said the same thing...

I agree. Driver B should have his driver's license revoked for 5 years. Having to take the bus and depending on friends to get around will certainly show him the mistake he made.

It sucks to have such an obvious privilege taken away.

But that won't work - he'd just drive without a license.

I hate to say it but youth is a big factor in the tragic case. I can tell you from experience that the M3 is a beast of a car that will scare the ***** out of even the most experienced of drivers if you're not paying full attention. The main difference is the "respect" the car is given. Most of us have all been 18,19,20 and "bulletproof" before and youth is more apt to not give the car the respect it deserves and in those cases, tragic conclusions can be the end result. I feel very sorry for him and all the families involved and wish them all the best. If they had been 5-10 years older, I doubt very seriously that the same decisions that led to this would have been made.

i have no sympathy...you see this so often down here (south oc) rich parents buying their kids or lending their kids these high powered cars and testoterone gets the best of them. Sorry to see a life get extinguished but you know what one less idiot for the gene pool

i have no sympathy...you see this so often down here (south oc) rich parents buying their kids or lending their kids these high powered cars and testoterone gets the best of them. Sorry to see a life get extinguished but you know what one less idiot for the gene pool

and one less on the road. i have this thing where i dont feel sorry for stupid people.... yes im a stupidist

agreed. hopefully some of their friends will learn from this and think/hesitate at least long enough not to endanger their life and the lives of their friends. But then again some of them wont heed it and are doomed to repeat it.

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If that sticks the judge needs to be hung. Remember this phrase "I am not by brothers keeper" No one made that kid race the other guy. The other guy did not ram the kid into the wall. Give the guy a street racing ticket for $600 and pull his license for a year like most states do and THE END.

It sucks the other guy died, but NO ONE MADE HIM do it. He took his own life. That's not the other guy's problem.


Harsh....................... but real.

I think what needs to be looked at is not whether it is a fair decision which, IMHO, it is, but what will be a greater deterrent for kids that might also think about street racing.

So someone with track experience and autocross experience should be limited to driving 220 hp. But my mother who has NO racing experience whatsoever can have a 600 hp vehicle? Thats ridicoulous. I guarantee you im a much better performance driver then she is.

You are forgetting one thing. We are not supposed to be "performance" driving on public streets. The general public can also be pretty well assured that your mother (with her maturity that comes with age) will not be street racing.

i have no sympathy...you see this so often down here (south oc) rich parents buying their kids or lending their kids these high powered cars and testoterone gets the best of them. Sorry to see a life get extinguished but you know what one less idiot for the gene pool

I have to agree with you. For once it's good to hear that one of these idiots didn't take any innocent bystanders or motorists with him. That's one less idiot on the streets to endanger others. Hopefully all this guy's friends and acquaintances will learn from his mistake and not repeat it.

Call me cold blooded or anything but I don't feel sympathy for the drivers involved. I do feel sad for those who are unwillingly involved.

I always tell my friends, don't street race. If you crash and die, I won't be sad for you because it was you who got yourself into this. Most of the time they wouldn't race after my shocking statement.

Many people mentioned the parents phenomenon. That's very true. I have friends whose parents bought them performance cars, and they think they are the king of the roads. Those people are the exact same ones that I would picture getting into accidents related to street racing. I guess when you pay for your own car, you're more careful with it.

i guess if any of his friends were to read this post or similar posts throughout the internet...they would think we're just a bunch of heartless jerks :)

Life is rough and real

i have no sympathy...you see this so often down here (south oc) rich parents buying their kids or lending their kids these high powered cars and testoterone gets the best of them. Sorry to see a life get extinguished but you know what one less idiot for the gene pool

Well said foofighter.
What do you expect young drivers with high-powered cars(clk 55 and an M3:eek2: ) to do? Not only that, they were "showing off" to their girlfriends. :egads:

I'm glad they took no innocent bystanders with them.