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Okay, here is a new thread dedicated to the LF-A. We won't bump the old thread since this model is different than the first one (and in a good way).

I am sure when Ryan (Flipside) has time, he can get us more pics and details on this masterpiece.

Lexus LF-A Sports Concept Preliminary Specifications
Powertrain
Engine: V10 (under 5.0-liters)

Horsepower: More than 500

Top Speed: Approximately 200 MPH

Tire Size
Front: 265/35R20

Rear: 305/30R20

Dimensions (inches)
Overall Length: 175.6

Overall Width: 74.6

Overall Height: 48.0

Wheelbase: 102.3

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/01/05_lf-a.jpg
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I have plenty of close up photos of this car without all the mess of people in the background.

BTW...in this pic...you can see the guy from Autospies (Agent 001) snapping away. He's the taller fellow with the light blue shirt just to the right in this pic:

http://fp.images.autos.msn.com/media/580x348/97/97eb8ab68e624f96b641e49c5a430d34.jpg

Kick 001 in the balls for me :) lmao

Those photos are great...BTW is it possible you could share one photo each of the new LF-A and IS-F for posting to wikipedia? It doesn't have to be superquality or anything (640 x 480 resolution ok), just adequate for the purposes of showing the cars.

I LOVE the new electroluminescent instrument cluster on the LF-A, wow who knew when the first LS set a new standard with its Optitron gauges, that it continues to develop this beautifully!!! Indeed like a watch designer crafted them. The LF-A's interior may set a new standard for the class!

I do wonder about the outside, I like its look, now though I'm trying to figure out if it resembles a Jaguar or something else. Is it positioned against the new Audi supercar or Porsches? Some of the other car websites out there are a bit mixed on the styling, while others love it.

Will it be called the Lexus GT 450? Since it's an Lexus-F car, will it be Lexus GT-F?

I am in love with this car :)

Hope it comes in that colour *drools*

As I stated in the other LF-A thread, I see carbon ceramic brakes FTW!

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LF-A is absolutely stunning!

This is going to replace LS460 as my dream car now. (or is it 600hL ?? ;) )

As stunning as the exterior of that car is, the interior is even MORE so... Way to go Lexus! :thumbup: :thumbup:

Javier

Beautiful. :thumbup:

But I guess it will be $150-$200k. It looks like an Aston Martin competitor.

Too rich for me. The big question is will people pay $150k for a Toyota? :uh:

Beautiful. :thumbup:

But I guess it will be $150-$200k. It looks like an Aston Martin competitor.

Too rich for me. The big question is will people pay $150k for a Toyota? :uh:

Who knows. Might only make a couple 1000 a year. One thing I hope it will be really $120,000 US for the LF-A

Seeing the most expensive Lexus right now is the LS460 L at 71,000$, the LS600h L coming out soon but not sure how much that will be likely be 75,000$ - 84,000$.

Thats my honest opinion.

One thing I just want too know how much the car will way.

I doubt it will be that low. This vehicle is targeted at the ultra-luxury segment, which begins at $100,000. Edmunds speculated $170,000. I think it will at minimum crack the $100,000 barrier.

Who knows. Might only make a couple 1000 a year. One thing I hope it will be really $120,000 US. Seeing the most expensive Lexus right now is the LS460 L at 71,000$, the LS600h L coming out soon but not sure how much that will be like, probably be 75,000$ - 84,000$. Thats my honest opinion.

One thing I just want too know how much the car will way.

$75k for a V10 would be quite a bargain and $20k less than the competition. It would be nice, but I don't think they will let it go that cheap.

There is also a LS coupe coming out and most likely an IS coupe. So I see a chance for Lexus to really make a ultra high end car. Perhaps carbon fiber, V10 rocket like the LS-F.

Stunning!!:eek2: Thanks for the many high-res pics!:p:woohoo:

I doubt it will be that low. This vehicle is targeted at the ultra-luxury segment, which begins at $100,000. Edmunds speculated $170,000. I think it will at minimum crack the $100,000 barrier.

$120,000 for the LF-A would be nice.

$150,000 - $170,000 Lexus would be nice to see but I think most people would rather drive a Aston Martin for that price.

Thats just me.

Who knows. Might only make a couple 1000 a year. One thing I hope it will be really $120,000 US for the LF-A

Seeing the most expensive Lexus right now is the LS460 L at 71,000$, the LS600h L coming out soon but not sure how much that will be likely be 75,000$ - 84,000$.
$71,000 is the STARTING price of the LS460L, if loaded with the executive package, it's already about $94K. The LS600hL should be about $110K-$115K loaded already. The LF-A could be more than that, the question is by how much ? I personally hope they wouldn't price it much more, I'm hoping not too much more than $120K as well . . .

This car is gorgeous.

The Astons might be prettier, but faced with the choice I'd pick the lexus, for its V10 and race inspired hardware at the same or similar price.

Damn! Carbon Ceramin brakes!!!
Did anyone notice the 9000 rpm redline? Ive heard clips of this engine rev as well as seen videos of it at the ring. It sounds as beautiful as it looks now.

The interior is pretty cool as well. And whats that they say about an sequential gearbox? Score!!!

Put on some proper rear view mirrors and ship it to me as is. Thanks, cheque is in the mail :D

This car is gorgeous.

The Astons might be prettier, but faced with the choice I'd pick the lexus, for its V10 and race inspired hardware at the same or similar price.

If the LF-A starts at $120k, and a Vantage is $130k, I'd go for the Vantage!!! :D

Man thats one beautiful Lexus.

If the LF-A starts at $120k, and a Vantage is $130k, I'd go for the Vantage!!! :D

I dunno, with only 380 hp out of a 4.3 V8, the Vantage is positively tame :thumbup:

I would take a DB9 & a Vanquish over the LF-A, but probably not a V8 Vantage for about the same price :)

There is also a LS coupe coming out and most likely an IS coupe. So I see a chance for Lexus to really make a ultra high end car. Perhaps carbon fiber, V10 rocket like the LS-F.

LS-F as what I wanted before???:eek2:
Oh man, that's what I want! Screw the CL55 amg:thumbup:

Anyways, the new LF-A is much much improved over the last design.
Interior is stttttuuuunnning, even the rims to match:bigok:

If priced no more than $120k, definitely put me on the list:woohoo:

The LFA looks very good and almost production ready although the nose is a little busy and odd looking from some front angles. It manages to have a pretty exotic look and still be front engined. Interior is nice too. As for price I think 90K-105K is about where it should be. If they price it too much over 100K I think even Lexus is going to have a tough time selling it. Once you go over 100K prestige and heritige start to really play into th purchase and Lexus does not really have over 100K type prestige at this point. People who can afford cars over 100K can afford 150K-185K Aston Martins, Bentley Continental GTs, new Porsche Panamera coupes, etc and that is some pretty stiff competition.

do we know if it is front engine or mid? there sure are alot of duct work going to the rear to be front engine.

the car looks very nice imho, i just hope the power and performance go with the car as well. price of the car at 70k, stop dreaming. this car will be over 100k easily (and i am pretty sure it will be)

http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2006/2006-Aston-Martin-DBS-James-Bond-Casino-Royale-F-Top-1280x960.jpg

Aston Martin DBS (V12 500 hp): $250,000 US

vs.

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Lexus LF-A (V10 500+ hp): $120,000+ US

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Also Ferrari planning a new F probably a V10 also. The new F430 starts at around $180,000.

Also the GT2 comes out soon. Probably be like $110k US.

If some how the LF-A starts at $170k US the Lamborghini Gallardo only $5k more.

Alot of people would probably go for something they know that will do well, saying Lamborghini or Porsche or Aston Martin.

****, if I had the money I would get an Aston Martin and the Lexus.

One thing for sure this will the most radical Lexus.

sorry, i know everyone will disagree but i dont see the lf-a costing nearly as much as most think.

for one thing, lexus still delivers value. look at the is vs 3 series. look at the gs vs 5 series. look at the ls vs 7 series and s class...and this is looking at cars that have been out where lexus is taking some liberties on pricing. where lexus competes for the first time, they tend to offer even more value.

with the m6 costing $100k and 911 turbo costing $120k, and the AMV8 as well as Ferrari's new entry not costing that much different, I really believe Lexus will come in on the lower side. I think the LF-A will be an $80-90k car.

V10 500hp sounds like a lot now, and it is, but that's what the M6 already delivers. Ceramic brakes can already be had on the 911 turbo. Based on this, I really don't see Lexus going that high in pricing with this car. I'm not saying $90k is cheap- its not- but I just think that's more in line with Lexus latest business strategies and if you look at the marketplace, thats more in line with where this car should be.

sorry, i know everyone will disagree but i dont see the lf-a costing nearly as much as most think.

for one thing, lexus still delivers value. look at the is vs 3 series. look at the gs vs 5 series. look at the ls vs 7 series and s class...and this is looking at cars that have been out where lexus is taking some liberties on pricing. where lexus competes for the first time, they tend to offer even more value.

with the m6 costing $100k and 911 turbo costing $120k, and the AMV8 as well as Ferrari's new entry not costing that much different, I really believe Lexus will come in on the lower side. I think the LF-A will be an $80-90k car.

V10 500hp sounds like a lot now, and it is, but that's what the M6 already delivers. Ceramic brakes can already be had on the 911 turbo. Based on this, I really don't see Lexus going that high in pricing with this car. I'm not saying $90k is cheap- its not- but I just think that's more in line with Lexus latest business strategies and if you look at the marketplace, thats more in line with where this car should be.

Yea I don't think it's going much over 120K in price range.

It's hard to compare the M6 with the LF-A, the LF-A is going to weigh alot less.

I love what they've done with the design, it's very muscular yet sleek.

Price +/- 100.000 $ :cool:

Some things to look at is:


Mirror
Air / heat openings on the hood.
The front
The Air intakes bay the back windows


This things are goving to be different on the produksjon model!!!!

http://www.bilnyheter.no/e107_plugins/autogallery/Gallery/Toyota%20Lexus%20Scion/LF-A_MKIII-prod.jpg

the LF-A is mid engine you can tell from the rear pictures there are radiator vents at the tailights, plus they have stated it is V10 mid engine in press releases

they've actually stated that the lf-a is mid engined with the engine mounted in the front of the driver. to be mid engined only means that the engine is in between the two axles.. it could still be closer to the front or rear axle.

mounting the radiator rearward offers a number of benefits:
1. reliability in racing- debris is less likely to destroy it
2. cleaner front end- allows for more aerodynamic designs, important at 200+mph.
3. allows the front of the car to be more compact and offers the designers/engineers more freedom

among the downsides include weight and complexity.

note that those shots of the lf-a on the ring are not the latest. the newer ones from the ring look slightly different, and the car at the detroit show looks slightly different from that.

they've actually stated that the lf-a is mid engined with the engine mounted in the front of the driver. to be mid engined only means that the engine is in between the two axles.. it could still be closer to the front or rear axle.
note that those shots of the lf-a on the ring are not the latest. the newer ones from the ring look slightly different, and the car at the detroit show looks slightly different from that.

Front to mid engin!!;)
Some new pix from the ring??????:confused:

FROM LEXUS.com
LF-A Sports Car Concept
The LF-A sports-car concept was originally shown at the 2005 NAIAS to express a bold new direction in styling for the Lexus brand. The goals for the new LF-A are no different than they were with the original concept: To build a supercar with world-class performance that is uniquely Lexus.

As with all new Lexus vehicles, the styling of the LF-A is rooted in a design direction called L-finesse. The concept of L-finesse was used to shape and detail the original LF-A, and it was used to reshape, redetail and redefine this latest version. Lexus has further refined the styling of the new LF-A to enhance its exotic nature with a greater use of curved surfaces and interesting details.

The running gear of the LF-A is just as it was with the original, powered by a high-revving 500-plus horsepower V10 engine. Its front mid-engine placement, along with a rear-mounted transaxle and rear-mounted radiators, allows for excellent weight distribution. The horsepower, superior aerodynamics, and revised styling make a top speed of 200 mph not only possible but probable.

An “F” logo, indicating the vehicle’s status as a part of the new “F” marque, is located on each front fender.

“The first LF-A was a pure concept, but one that we went so far as to conduct engineering analysis on,” said Carter. “This latest concept is much closer to a vehicle that we would bring to market, and one in which we will be gauging consumer interest.”

Lexus LF-A Preliminary Specifications

Powertrain
Engine: V10 (under 5.0 liters)
Horsepower: More than 500
Top Speed: Approximately 200 MPH

Tire Size
Front: 265/35R20
Rear: 305/30R20

Dimensions (inches)
Overall Length: 175.6
Overall Width: 74.6
Overall Height: 48.0
Wheelbase: 102.3

The real info from LEXUS!!:cool:

V8 Vantage is a looker, but the engine leaves something to be desired. If the LF-A drives well and is priced similarly I think it definitely looks good enough to b chosen over the Vantage.

Front to mid engin!!;)
Some new pix from the ring??????:confused:

yes. front/mid engined. this is what the s2000 is for instance. technically a mid engined car because the engine lies between the axles. this, it seems, is what the lf-a is.



here are a couple newer shots from the ring.
edit- i see this pic is actually from the same series as the last pic shown, so disregard the 'newer' comment.

http://www.japanesecarfans.com/spyphotos/6061114.001/6061114.001.mini3L.jpg
http://www.japanesecarfans.com/spyphotos/6061114.001/6061114.001.mini4L.jpg

http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/10-2009-lexus-lf-a-concept.jpg http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/5-2009-lexus-lf-a-concept.jpg
http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/4-2009-lexus-lf-a-concept.jpg http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/11-2009-lexus-lf-a-concept.jpg

Price +/- 100.000 $ :cool:

Some things to look at is:


Mirror
Air / heat openings on the hood.
The front
The Air intakes bay the back windows


This things are goving to be different on the produksjon model!!!!


There is nothing to indicate that the latest covered up car seen testing at the 'Ring is in fact the final production car, in terms of styling and mechanics. It may still be a test or engineering mule. Look at how there are bulges at the rear of the car. Those look too strange and awkward to be present on the production car. Plus, if the reports are true, then the LF-A isn't coming out for another 18 months to two years.

As far as the engine placement goes, "front mid-mounted V10 engine" likely means that the engine is still obviously front mounted, but "mid-mounted" on top of the front axle for optimum weight distribution. Looking at the revised LF-A, you can see how it would be very possible for the V10 to be mounted right over the front axle. The rear-mounted radiators would further aid weight distribution.

There is nothing to indicate that the latest covered up car seen testing at the 'Ring is in fact the final production car, in terms of styling and mechanics. It may still be a test or engineering mule. Look at how there are bulges at the rear of the car. Those look too strange and awkward to be present on the production car. Plus, if the reports are true, then the LF-A isn't coming out for another 18 months to two years.


Yes:D But when you see the old and the new "Ring-car", then it is tings that indicate just that it is the produksjon model:D ( NOT THE END RESULT BUT, CLOWS!! )
http://www.tscn.no/LF-AH1.jpg
And that it has bin some problems whit airflow too the engin / engin heat. And after testing for long time, they have not don big work to the design. Just too the airflow into/arownd the car;)
But j cud be roong!!!:sad:
J DONT like the new concept front!!!!:thumbdn: :thumbdn: :thumbdn:

Yea I don't think it's going much over 120K in price range.

It's hard to compare the M6 with the LF-A, the LF-A is going to weigh alot less.Exactly. The LF-A is said to be built on a carbon-fiber construction. That alone pushes the LF-A to a whole different league than the M6 and easily into some exotic pricing.

One thing it be amazing if the car does way until 3000 pounds.

http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/06/saleens7tt05.jpg
2950 pounds

Ahh now I remember what the front of the LF-A looks like, an oversized front of an actual F1 car.

One thing the button for "Snow" I wonder if it will activate the AWD system.

One thing I was hoping for a 10,000 rpm redline, 1000 rpm short but I can live with that.

I cant wait to see the "Drag coefficient" for the car, would be nice to have it in the 0.25-0.26 range or even below that.

One thing I just hope that Lexus/Toyota make a Limited Edition one that has an actual F1 engine in it, say like only 15 ($1mil+) for sure they would sell easily.

Also another thing I hope they put an over the top ML soundsystem in it. Like 1kW. Only that comes close to that is the Burmester in the Bugatti Veyron.

62 - 0 mph in less than 105 ft would be nice.
0 - 62 mph under 4 seconds (3.6 - 3.8 seconds)

it's a great looking car. awesome interior.

Unfortunately, the style is not on par to call it an exotic.

maybe just because of the color? i dont know...

but to park it next to a ferrari, aston martin the LF-A looks like an ordinary lexus coupe, not a supercar.

This, like the IS-F, look like nothing else......wow..I can't believe this is a Lexus.

One thing it be amazing if the car does way until 3000 pounds.

http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/06/saleens7tt05.jpg
2950 pounds

Ahh now I remember what the front of the LF-A looks like, an oversized front of an actual F1 car.

One thing the button for "Snow" I wonder if it will activate the AWD system.

One thing I was hoping for a 10,000 rpm redline, 1000 rpm short but I can live with that.

I cant wait to see the "Drag coefficient" for the car, would be nice to have it in the 0.25-0.26 range or even below that.

One thing I just hope that Lexus/Toyota make a Limited Edition one that has an actual F1 engine in it, say like only 15 ($1mil+) for sure they would sell easily.

Also another thing I hope they put an over the top ML soundsystem in it. Like 1kW. Only that comes close to that is the Burmester in the Bugatti Veyron.

62 - 0 mph in less than 105 ft would be nice.
0 - 62 mph under 4 seconds (3.6 - 3.8 seconds)

Who ever said anything about AWD?

One thing it be interesting if the LF-A is the new SC, and this will be the SC-F. Thats my two cents for right now.

One thing I love the side of the car and the back, not a big fan of the front.

I cant wait to hear what tech stuff they have in it, probably all the same stuff found in the LS heeh

Who ever said anything about AWD?

I did. Whats with the Sport, City, and Snow button. Would be interesting that that the "Snow" button would activate an AWD. Seeing that your going to drive in a snowy condition.

Thats me. People might not like something like that, but it be interesting to see though.

One thing it be interesting if the LF-A is the new SC, and this will be the SC-F. Thats my two cents for right now.

One thing I love the side of the car and the back, not a big fan of the front.

I cant wait to hear what tech stuff they have in it, probably all the same stuff found in the LS heeh

I would hate it to be the SC-F, because it almost doubles the price of a SC currently. Although if this thing is priced closer to 120K you could be right.

I would prefer a RWD super car over an AWD. The snow button doesn't necessarily make it AWD, my friend's mom's FWD Highlander has a Snow traction button.

Snow setting first showed up on the '97 TT Supra's TRAC. Definitely NOT AWD. It's been present on TRAC equipped vehicles ever since.

I would hate it to be the SC-F, because it almost doubles the price of a SC currently. Although if this thing is priced closer to 120K you could be right.

I would prefer a RWD super car over an AWD. The snow button doesn't necessarily make it AWD, my friend's mom's FWD Highlander has a Snow traction button.

This is what I am guessing for the LF-A.
SC ($80k)
SC-F ($120k)

Plus to the other person that posted the TRAC, thank you :thumbup:

So there goes my AWD lol

Since LF-A is going to be flagship model, designed to give Lexus brand an premium status, there is apsolutly no way I can see it costing less than 120k. This is exotic car from Lexus.

At one point, Ferrari owners might not like going into the shop every 500 miles. Thats why I would never buy anything other than Porsche, for my "semi-exotic" needs.

No matter how much money I make, I cant see myself being happy about an car that needs to go to the garage every 1,000 miles or less, which is pretty true for all true exotic brands.

p.s. who gave anyone silly idea of LF-A being next SC? There is apsolutly no way of that happening.

No matter how much money I make, I cant see myself being happy about an car that needs to go to the garage every 1,000 miles or less, which is pretty true for all true exotic brands.

Thing is most exotics are not really used daily. I do know what you mean. I just wonder how often an Aston Martin goes into for servicing. One thing the LF-A will change alot in the exotic portion of the market.

Probably only get serviced every like 5,000 - 10,000 miles.

If I had the money to buy an exotic like a Ferrari or Lambo, I wouldn't really, get one of those seeing I knew this was coming to the market.

p.s. who gave anyone silly idea of LF-A being next SC? There is apsolutly no way of that happening.

Assumption.

No one knows what will really happen to the SC.

Would be really nice if the LF-A will be 2 models, from my point of view it be nice to see.

Assumption.

No one knows what will really happen to the SC.

Would be really nice if the LF-A will be 2 models, from my point of view it be nice to see.
why would anything happen to SC? There was at least 1 PR from Lexus that I have seen myself, that mentioned SC redesign.

I dont get why every model of Toyota and Lexus starts getting roumours of demise at some point of life... I remember how just 2 years ago, everyone at rav4 boards thought Rav4 would be discountinued forever :P

There is no way of LF-A being called SC due to pricing - you cant price something 65k and then price next generation 120k... Plus they are completly different vehicles. Even Lexus calls LF-A exotic.

This, like the IS-F, look like nothing else......wow..I can't believe this is a Lexus.

It's great, but this LF-A is really Lexus' 'NSX' in a way. They're doing it big - it will be a halo car in limited production, oh and big bucks. :D :thumbup:

Does anyone actually have any info on when the car will be built or is it speculation? And because this is the second concept but one vision does this mean that Lexus is getting closer to putting this car into production?

why would anything happen to SC? There was at least 1 PR from Lexus that I have seen myself, that mentioned SC redesign.

I dont get why every model of Toyota and Lexus starts getting roumours of demise at some point of life... I remember how just 2 years ago, everyone at rav4 boards thought Rav4 would be discountinued forever :P

There is no way of LF-A being called SC due to pricing - you cant price something 65k and then price next generation 120k... Plus they are completly different vehicles. Even Lexus calls LF-A exotic.

I don't think the SC will be cut from the Lexus line-up, but I do believe that the 3rd gen SC (SC460, but significantly different than the SC-F = LF-A) will be significantly different from the 2nd Gen SC, as was the 2nd gen SC was significantly different than the 1st gen SC.

The first gen '92 SC400 sold with an MSRP of $33k. The last SC400 in '00 sold at $56k.
The second gen '02 SC430 sold with an MSRP of $61k (a jump of about $5k, or approx 9%), but is now $66k for '07.

The third gen ('09) SC460 may be about $75-80k (designed to be similar to the LF-C, competing against the SL-Class or XLR or 6-Series), with the SC-F going well over $100k (competing against the SL-AMG or XLR-V or M6). I see it pretty much a sporty two-door convertible version of the LS, with the LF-A definately kicking up the sportiness and performance factor (with aluminum/CF body?), with a highly tuned (maybe super/turbocharged) 5.0L (or other) engine that will be much different than the IS-F. As you can tell, all is speculated, but this is the way that Lexus needs to be headed towards to if they want to market the SC against such competitors.

The SC460 will be "conservative" like the rest of the Lexus lineup, with the LF-A looking more "rice" such as the IS-F. Hey, there needs to be family resemblences...

Enough of my babbling. Can you tell that I've always wanted an SC... :D

Does anyone actually have any info on when the car will be built or is it speculation? And because this is the second concept but one vision does this mean that Lexus is getting closer to putting this car into production?
Still complete speculation and concept, but with all the effort and marketing and testing that Lexus has put into the car, they need to make it.

Lexus can't make their concept car the "halo car" for the company; they need to make the halo car a production reality!

I don't think the SC will be cut from the Lexus line-up, but I do believe that the 3rd gen SC (SC460, but significantly different than the SC-F = LF-A) will be significantly different from the 2nd Gen SC, as was the 2nd gen SC was significantly different than the 1st gen SC.

The first gen '92 SC400 sold with an MSRP of $33k. The last SC400 in '00 sold at $56k.
The second gen '02 SC430 sold with an MSRP of $61k (a jump of about $5k, or approx 9%), but is now $66k for '07.

The third gen ('09) SC460 may be about $75-80k (designed to be similar to the LF-C, competing against the SL-Class or XLR or 6-Series), with the SC-F going well over $100k (competing against the SL-AMG or XLR-V or M6). I see it pretty much a sporty two-door convertible version of the LS, with the LF-A definately kicking up the sportiness and performance factor (with aluminum/CF body?), with a highly tuned (maybe super/turbocharged) 5.0L (or other) engine that will be much different than the IS-F. As you can tell, all is speculated, but this is the way that Lexus needs to be headed towards to if they want to market the SC against such competitors.

The SC460 will be "conservative" like the rest of the Lexus lineup, with the LF-A looking more "rice" such as the IS-F. Hey, there needs to be family resemblences...

Enough of my babbling. Can you tell that I've always wanted an SC... :D

One thing, a targa version of the LF-A would be interesting too see though. For sure Lexus wont put a glass roof or a sunroof.

One thing be nice to see the SC the same length as the LS460, atleast the SC460 will have room for people in the back (if it becomes the same length as the LS)

SC (competition): Aston Martin Vantage V8 / Mercedes Benz CL / BMW 650i / Porsche Carrera 4S Cabriolet / Audi A7

LF-A (competition): Lamborghini Gallardo / Ferrari F*** / Porsche 997 Turbo / Audi R8 / plus many more

One thing for sure the $80k for the SC does sound great.

One thing no clue why I put up the competition, seeing it will change when the SC and LF-A comes out.

I prefer the next SC to be strictly a 2-seater & not being longer, just like the present one & the SL. I would like for Lexus to make another large 2-door coupe that can seat 2 comfortably at the back though, like the CL-class.

As for a targa for the LF-A, we "might" see 2 versions based on the spyshots we saw of a hardtop convertible version of the previous LF-A concept tested. The targa may be the intermediate stage between top-up & top down of the roof-top mechanism . . .

Video of LF-A unveiling : CLICK HERE (http://www.rpmdaily.com/lexus_is_naias.wmv) . . . & the IS-F too . . .

wow very nice video andrew, thanks!!!!!

One thing, a targa version of the LF-A would be interesting too see though. For sure Lexus wont put a glass roof or a sunroof.

One thing be nice to see the SC the same length as the LS460, atleast the SC460 will have room for people in the back (if it becomes the same length as the LS)

SC (competition): Aston Martin Vantage V8 / Mercedes Benz CL / BMW 650i / Porsche Carrera 4S Cabriolet / Audi A7

LF-A (competition): Lamborghini Gallardo / Ferrari F*** / Porsche 997 Turbo / Audi R8 / plus many more

One thing for sure the $80k for the SC does sound great.

One thing no clue why I put up the competition, seeing it will change when the SC and LF-A comes out.

The original SC was probably close in length to the original LS. That SC has no rear seating capacity.

my guess:

Production LF-A introduction this October at TMS2007 in Japan, for sale late in 2008.

US introduction at the following Detroit Auto Show ie this time next year.

http://www.speedsportlife.com/photopost/data/1132/IMG_9947.jpg

The current word from dealers and other people with information indicates we might see something about the next SC either at Chicago or New York this year. The next SC definitely *is not* the production version of the LF-A. The LF-A and SC will be two separate cars. On top of the next-gen SC, an IS hardtop Coupe is all but confirmed. We know the regular IS Coupe is coming, and very likely a hardtop version with it.

http://www.speedsportlife.com/photopost/data/1132/IMG_9947.jpg

Stunning picture. Like SICK, I too am still stunned that this is a Lexus. It looks so sleek, so stylish, and so aggressive. I would be afraid if I saw that in my rearview mirror. This is one of only a few cars in the world that has very aggressive looks to back up it's very aggressive performance.

sorry, overall i liked the last one more than this one... the aggressive positioning of the tail lights and the highly exposed radiators on the last design seemed more attractive. this one seems more tame and feminine in that regard- reminds me of the ls460.

this front, i think is better in a lot of ways, but overall im not sure how much more i like it. i agree with the poster who said that it looks a little too ant eater. im also not sure about that section that rises by the rear quarter panel glass.

overall i still think this car is hot and look forward to see what lexus does with it. i think it has a great spot in the market at about $80-90k.

sorry, overall i liked the last one more than this one... the aggressive positioning of the tail lights and the highly exposed radiators on the last design seemed more attractive. this one seems more tame and feminine in that regard- reminds me of the ls460.

this front, i think is better in a lot of ways, but overall im not sure how much more i like it. i agree with the poster who said that it looks a little too ant eater. im also not sure about that section that rises by the rear quarter panel glass.

overall i still think this car is hot and look forward to see what lexus does with it. i think it has a great spot in the market at about $80-90k.

Old and new pix!!
http://www.bilnyheter.no/e107_plugins/autogallery/Gallery/2007%20Detroit%20Auto%20Show%20Preview/lf-a_dob1.jpg

http://www.bilnyheter.no/e107_plugins/autogallery/Gallery/2007%20Detroit%20Auto%20Show%20Preview/lf-a_dob2.jpg

http://www.bilnyheter.no/e107_plugins/autogallery/Gallery/2007%20Detroit%20Auto%20Show%20Preview/lf-a_dob3.jpg

http://www.bilnyheter.no/e107_plugins/autogallery/Gallery/2007%20Detroit%20Auto%20Show%20Preview/lf-a_dob4.jpg

http://www.bilnyheter.no/e107_plugins/autogallery/Gallery/2007%20Detroit%20Auto%20Show%20Preview/lf-a_dob5.jpg

The new is more sexy, but the new front ned some help!!!:cry:

Old and new pix!!
The new is more sexy, but the new front need some help!!!:cry:

I agree, but the new front is still an improvement over the old . . . I hope they will do more tweaking . . .

Price +/- 100.000 $ :cool:

Some things to look at is:


Mirror
Air / heat openings on the hood.
The front
The Air intakes bay the back windows


This things are goving to be different on the produksjon model!!!!

http://www.bilnyheter.no/e107_plugins/autogallery/Gallery/Toyota%20Lexus%20Scion/LF-A_MKIII-prod.jpg

Good comparisons. I'm wondering if they're trying out some of the overstylized bits such as the nose and the upper side scoop as possible Supra details. Also they are showing this as an "F" configuration so possibly pushing the envelope there as well to gauge public reaction. For a Lexus it really needs to be less highly stylized. When you look at the Aston, Lambo, Ferrari and Porsche they are cleaner and don't look like they have an after market body kit.

Did anyone notice the 9,000 rpm red line on the tach?

The production vehicle really needs to be a combination of the first and second concept vehicles; simplicity of the first one and burlesque cues of the second one combined. That would make a really nice vehicle, imo.

http://www.speedsportlife.com/photopost/data/1132/IMG_9947.jpgWow thanks for the new wallpaper!:p:eek2::thumbup::thumbup:

Although the front looks kind of goofy I think the car will look killer
in black.

Yeah, I agree the front will look better in black or the dark colors like Smoky Granite Mica.

I'll take it as is. On second thought, put on proper rearview mirrors and i'll have it in the yellow that the IS300 came in with an all black interior.:D

Anybody observe the test mules? Ithink they give a hint at the colours..check the exposed rearview mirrors you will see; a bright red, light blue, dark blue and yellow.

On second thought, put on proper rearview mirrorsYou'll likely also need some proper door handles and a hole which you can fill it up with.:D

I want mine in non-metallic bright white with red seats and a black carpet.

For the wheels, I want a machine finish lip with body color spokes.

Can someone please start photoshopping some other colors onto the car?

I think that brushed aluminum like color is hot.
Black interior.
I love the exterior right now. I love how the C-pillar cuts back towards the front over the rear quarter window.

You'll likely also need some proper door handles and a hole which you can fill it up with.:D


Old school shaved handles for the win!!!!

**Hint** take a closer look at the door panel infront of the air scoop area :D

As for the gas tank lid :p yeah that too....

or just make it run off Adrenaline, absorbed though osmosis :woohoo:

So I took the liberty of chopping some colors. Iono what other colors you guys might want to see, so just let me know. Also, I used this view since it's my favorite view and in my opinion probably closer to production than the front view.

Black
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/8441/blackzv6.jpg

IS-F blue
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/6215/bluekf0.jpg

British racing green (yeah I don't know why but I think it looks GOOD)
http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/9782/greentx8.jpg

Matador red
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/1847/redyd7.jpg

Smokey Granite Mica
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/1746/sgmmk5.jpg

Crystal White (my personal favorite)
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/192/whitekz2.jpg

aaand... yellow. Because all exotic cars need to be seen in yellow at least once!
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/1654/yellowfm6.jpg

British racing green (yeah I don't know why but I think it looks GOOD)
http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/9782/greentx8.jpg

I'm actually a huge fan of Jaguar's British Racing Green.

It's too bad that most other car companies lack the cojones to pull it off for most of their cars...

Wow, I never thought I would say this; but that yellow one is *hot*.

I'm actually a huge fan of Jaguar's British Racing Green.

It's too bad that most other car companies lack the cojones to pull it off for most of their cars...Porsches have it too. Of all the color chops above, I actually like this green one the most--it makes the car look all that much more exotic! Thanks knihc2008!:thumbup:

Awesome chops knihc2008 - way to go! :woot:

wow, that car can pull all those colors off right. i don't normally like yellow but that yellow looks good. in red, just get ready for everyone to ask if that is a ferrari, even though the big ass L is on the front and back.

Thanks for doing the terrific color adaptations knihc2008.

White is going to be great.

My 350 is crystal white, which is a nice color but I would like the brightest non metallic paint I can find on this thing.

I look at the LFA as Lexus starting from the S2000 and saying lets bring that feeling/experience to a supercar and make it more comfy for older rich guys.

Thanks for the compliments guys; I've got a PSD file saved so any other colors you guys would like to see I can do in a flash, just let me know!

Personally I love the Crystal White but that British Racing Green is something else, isn't it? Knowing Lexus' ability to pull off some really amazing pearl colors, I think they could do something really special with a British Racing Green, especially after seeing Jaguar's absolutely beautiful green color.

The interior of that car maybe the best interior I have ever seen. :thumbup:

Awesome chops knihc2008 - way to go! :woot:

I agree, amazing work!

Agreed, amazing work. Well done, hats off.

Loving the yellow and British racing green...Tho the only way you would see that green on a non-english car is by a different name :D

Could you do it in a light blue? I dont remember what lexus calls it, but it almost looks like a metallic sky blue.
And Gold too... please.
Thankx

Wow those pics look great. I am not a fan of the air scoops in the front, but otherwise the car is much improved.

Could you do it in a light blue? I dont remember what lexus calls it, but it almost looks like a metallic sky blue.
And Gold too... please.
Thankx

Breakwater?

wow nice pics there! i think the white looks the sharpest, and the granite mica looks pretty nice too!

Those are my 2 favorites too :) , although I think the Smoky Granite will look better from the front.

Wow what a beautiful car. The next couple of years is going to be sweet. Thanks for the pics.

Anyone know where I can find this picture high res?

http://shows.autospies.com/gallery/auto-show-photos.asp?imageId=37552&galleryId=50

Love the look of this thing :thumbup:

FYi the side mirrors can be cameras, this has been explored before on many concept cars, so you have small screens on the inside as your side mirrors

FYi the side mirrors can be cameras, this has been explored before on many concept cars, so you have small screens on the inside as your side mirrors

It's expensive and honestly unnecessary though. Especially for an exotic that's supposed to be lightweight.

FYi the side mirrors can be cameras, this has been explored before on many concept cars, so you have small screens on the inside as your side mirrors

it's been on a lot of concept cars but i have yet to see it in production. heck even the 04 TL concept back then had that

Wow, great photoshops everyone. The car looks striking in all colors!

It's expensive and honestly unnecessary though. Especially for an exotic that's supposed to be lightweight.Huh? Cameras are extremely lightweight these days, compared to the housing and the mirrors that would've otherwise been used. Besides, the real benefit of using cameras is in the aerodynamics! The conventional rear view mirrors have always been such a huge drag in aerodynamics. Switching to cameras would drastically improve drag coefficient, I can guarantee you.

Huh? Cameras are extremely lightweight these days, compared to the housing and the mirrors that would've otherwise been used. Besides, the major benefit of using cameras is in the aerodynamics! The convential rear view mirrors have always been such a huge drag in aerodynamics. Switching to cameras would drastically improve drag coefficient, I can guarantee you.

Monitors as well and electronics that control them.

Monitors as well and electronics that control them.Ever held a camera cell phone lately?

Ever held a camera cell phone lately?

Good point. But those are low res, I'd rather something that is more clear especially for safety. But I suppose it wouldn't add too much weight. Where do they mount the monitors in the car though?

Good point. But those are low res, I'd rather something that is more clear especially for safety. But I suppose it wouldn't add too much weight.Well, have you seen a point-and-shoot 5-megapixel digital camera these days?;)Where do they mount the monitors in the car though?This I'm not sure about, but I suppose they can use HUD instead, projecting images directly to the windshield.

On the LF-S they projected the image into the center console display, which I thought took some getting used to IIRC. I would prefer it to be on the windshield...

Bring my some old mirrors!!! :thumbup:

Hear are one custom part, what is it? :D
http://www.bildillamagasin.no/e107_plugins/autogallery/Gallery/Japser/orangeLFAlys600.gif

:D :D

I'm sorry but any of the posts you've made thus far have made absolutely no sense to me.

We certainly have "wow'ed" and "Woo'ed" when Lexus unveiled the concept LF-A back in 2005's Detroit auto show. Lexus certainly took this one seriously, and you know they are serious when they retouched the original concept and unveiled their progress on LF-A the 2nd time.

For your viewing pleasure, I'll start it off with a (un-official) scatch concept:
http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop-580x436/making_of_Lexus_LF-A_TS_aw.jpg

And Here's the initial unveil in comparison to Version 2:
SIDE Profile:
http://www.weblogsinc.com/common/images/7044952284094727.JPG
http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop-580x386/01_LF-A_4w.jpg

REAR Quarter:
http://www.weblogsinc.com/common/images/6178632328675953.JPG
http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop-580x386/06_LF-A_7w.jpg




From IS.net

FRONT:
http://www.weblogsinc.com/common/images/3475140959436816.JPG?0.3553322694043106
http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop-580x386/05_LF-A_8w.jpg

BACK:
http://www.weblogsinc.com/common/images/7547889455610766.JPG
http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop-580x386/16_LF-A_4w.jpg

INTERIOR:
http://www.weblogsinc.com/common/images/6325444887710744.JPG
http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop-580x386/25_LF-A_9w.jpg
http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop-580x386/23_LF-A_dw.jpg

Some more details you don't see from Version 1:
Nicely matched lines from side view mirror/camera to rear intake dam.
http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop-580x386/13_LF-A_8w.jpg

Carbon Ceramic Rotors with Lexus logo'ed Brembo brakes:
http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop-580x386/19_LF-A_5w.jpg

Different rear light design.
http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop-580x386/18_LF-A_dw.jpg

Loving the new headlight: LED headlight perhaps? like the ones on the new LS.
http://www.livesinspired.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1048&g2_serialNumber=1

I didn't like the IS-F look in the pictures (maybe it'd grow on me in person) but the changes in LF-A surely are positive in my book. The subtle change in rear lights, the reduced height in rear radiator vents, the much wider bottom diffuser provide the car with a lowered and more aggressive stance than version 1.

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The most improved areas on the LF-A IMHO are the changes in the headlight and front bumper. The aggrssive curves around the headlight, hood, bumper, along with enlarged front air dam are much better matched to the rear end than the boring design of version one.

What do ya think?

Check out more High-res picture of LF-A Version 2 here:
[url]http://www.topspeed.com/cars/lexus/lexus-lf-a-sports-car-ar18770.html

Cool pics! The LF-A is very improved in many aspects. I am glad they did not (horrors!) use the squared-off headlights that were in spy pics, and rendered in the first picture.

The rear has improved a lot, I think that is pretty much done. Only...where will they put the name? I guess right under the Circle-L, but there doesn't seem to be room (license plate).

I do find the side door elements to be pretty cool but you do lose the rear quarter window visibility a bit. That is not such a big deal perhaps from the inside but I think the cabin loses a bit of its capsule look from the outside, while gaining an interesting cue.

I also think slapping the F-badges on the side seems a bit much given the name LF-A. One site already went so far as to call it LF-AF which sounds like a laugh.

In the end though the car seems great, and based on the edits others made will look even better in different colors.

It looks 100x better than the first LF-A introduced. When it comes out i dont know if they will keep the LF-A name. It might be called GT-F or something of that nature.

My only concern on the LF-A is the same as with the IS - I find the front too 'snouty' and long.

http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop-580x386/05_LF-A_8w.jpg

I'm no chop expert, but here's an edit I did...

That chop looks even better. Now lets send it to lexus. :thumbup: :woot:

Those are carbon ceramic brakes. Gotta be. If this car can blend some really good sport with the usual Lexus luxury, I think Lexus has a chance.

That chop looks even better. Now lets send it to lexus. :thumbup: :woot:

Wow, thanks! :)

I agree, the chop improves the front (which itself has been improved with the new lights and no longer droopy front end).

There are 2 basic problems with the front, 1) the excessive empty space between the headlights, and 2) the front bumper area looks weird.

The revision fixes the empty space...I think a slightly larger Lexus logo without blackout would also help.

http://www.veracast.com/citigroup/aany07/getSlide.cfm?eventName=1051_toyota&token=0.9461655593080.98275625426&slideNumber=59

http://www.veracast.com/citigroup/aany07/getSlide.cfm?eventName=1051_toyota&token=0.9461655593080.98275625426&slideNumber=59

You are posting Red X's all over the place this evening Mike ;)

Mike thanks for the new wallpaper at work!

You are posting Red X's all over the place this evening Mike ;)
its a toyota presentation. basically, it says "future product" and its a pic of the LF-A

lol

has the 9000 rpm redline in a V10 been mentioned, thats insane, you can see it from the gauge cluster, and yes those appear to be LED headlights as posted before

toyota/lexus engineering > bmw imo
if bmw can get 500hp from 8krpm v10, i would think toyota could do a bit better spinning another thousand rpm faster

The light blue and gold that was requested earlier...

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/6546/breakwatervs4.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/4159/golddf1.jpg

Nice! I can't wait to see the car in some color other than silver. First up--RED.

as promised i will post pics of the car i took...i am here in detroit and already went to the autoshow openeing day and today..and will be going monday as well..lol i fly back home tuesday.


let me just say that the lfa and is-f r just plain SYCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

u have to see it to believe it..and the LF-A is NOT silver..it is another color tune of hue and metallic gray sheen..its gorgeous..perfect on this car.

i took a total of about 600 pics on my sont dsc-t50 camra but i dont have the usb cord to connect so i cud show u guys..just wait couple more daysss:D

u have to see it to believe it..and the LF-A is NOT silver..it is another color tune of hue and metallic gray sheen..its gorgeous..perfect on this car.


Actually it is silver and is only a concept color at this time. The color is thrown off by the lighting inside Cobo Center. The LF-S, LF-C and etc. are painted the exact same silver color. I will have my pics up of this car in both the Riverview Ballroom (where the car was unveiled during the press release) and the floor where it was temporarily parked on last Monday right after the press release, right before they parked it on a turntable.

Keep the pics coming guys! I really appreciate it.

Here's one teaser photo of the LF-A I will post for now. This was after the Press Release at the Riverview Ball room when it was cleared out. It's a pic of the multi-LED headlamps turned on for us to see.

http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data//500/IMG_5955_Small_.jpg

Front end reminds me of the 350Z.

The rear end, in the blue and gold shots above, is stunning.............better, IMO, than most of the Italian exotics.
Lexus, IMO, has needed a good-looking coupe ever since they dumped the original stunning SC models several years ago for the present Audi TT- look with the trick roofs.

Here's one teaser photo of the LF-A I will post for now. This was after the Press Release at the Riverview Ball room when it was cleared out. It's a pic of the multi-LED headlamps turned on for us to see.



more please...

Here's one teaser photo of the LF-A I will post for now. This was after the Press Release at the Riverview Ball room when it was cleared out. It's a pic of the multi-LED headlamps turned on for us to see.Looks sweet. Do you have pics of the side rear-view cameras in action? I've always wondered how they really work.:p

Oh, and you don't happen to have sound clips of the V10 engine revs do you?:eek2::D

Looks sweet. Do you have pics of the side rear-view cameras in action? I've always wondered how they really work.:p

Oh, and you don't happen to have sound clips of the V10 engine revs do you?:eek2::D

I wish I did, but did not get the chance. They had us clear the room so they could tear down the stage and props and move the car into the main hall for display.

http://chrispoblete.com/gallery/albums/DAS07/IMG_5928.sized.jpg

was the car fully functional and drivable? or just a model with working lights, etc?

Here's one teaser photo of the LF-A I will post for now. This was after the Press Release at the Riverview Ball room when it was cleared out. It's a pic of the multi-LED headlamps turned on for us to see.


You sir are an evil man.:rolleyes:

ill show u one pic for tonight..the rest - tomorrow :D

the intoxicating LF-A.....

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last picture guys :)

While I feel this current version of the LF-A (F series) pushes the styling envelope, it does remind me of the current state of the Formula One cars. They are all full of swoops and fins as a result of extensive wind tunnel testing. Maybe we'll get used to it in a street car.

Wow, great photos!!! I want this car LOL.

Thanks for the pics, xcntuatd77. Just a little advice...try using a tripod next time. Human hands are not attached to a steady foundation after all.;)

Here's one teaser photo of the LF-A I will post for now. ...

http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data//500/IMG_5955_Small_.jpg

Looks a good bit like a last gen ES in that shot too.

And xcntuatd77's shots - WOW... side profile is incredible. Great photography!

I hope they give the interior a bit of the New LS' graceful swoops and curves. Mirroring the exterior.

One thing I wonder who will chrome out this car lol

Here's a pic of the V10...ITB's and all...

http://chrispoblete.com/gallery/albums/DAS07/IMG_6019.sized.jpg
http://chrispoblete.com/gallery/albums/DAS07/IMG_6020.sized.jpg
http://chrispoblete.com/gallery/albums/DAS07/IMG_6021.sized.jpg
http://chrispoblete.com/gallery/albums/DAS07/IMG_6022.sized.jpg

I'm no expert but they look like decent clean headers!

And man that engine is HUGE. :eek2:

A beast. :D

now thats a nice engine

I would expect the headers to be cast metal for production, probably aluminum and they could replicate the tuned profile of equal length runners but it would exit down and back. I can't wait, maybe I can figure out how to come up with the $$.

I think it was XeroK00L that asked if the LF-A v.2 is a running vehicle...I forgot to answer him but yes it is NOT a running/driveable vehicle.

I love the way the engine looks. Not too fond of the car's front bumper though. The vents are weird.

Saw the LF-A and IS-F in person at the Houston Auto Show, both are stunning in person, LOTS of people were around the Lexus section to see it

Anyone see the article in R&D about the LF-A?

I can not wait too see this car on the road *drools*

Are they still calling it GT 450?

And if the display was "LF-AF" then would it be Lexus GT-F?

Are they still calling it GT 450?

And if the display was "LF-AF" then would it be Lexus GT-F?
Rumor had it that it would be called the GT 500, although that has been overused and misused already (even the PT Cruiser has a GT version...).

"LF-A" stands for Lexus Future (- Advanced?). Please, someone correct me.

Personally, I think the LF-A should be the next gen SC-F. I would then like to see what the "regular" SC460 would look like...

That GT name seems to be more blown up rumor than fact. The F marque is here to stay. But true, the "LF" is an abbreviation of Lexus Future i.e. LF-C, LF-Sh and etc.
Emphasis on the "F" marque definitely pronounces Lexus' performance line up. The v.2 LF-A doesn't necessarily follow the alpha numeric model designation, but then again the IS-F doesn't really follow it either. :uh:

That GT name seems to be more blown up rumor than fact. The F marque is here to stay. But true, the "LF" is an abbreviation of Lexus Future i.e. LF-C, LF-Sh and etc.
Emphasis on the "F" marque definitely pronounces Lexus' performance line up. The v.2 LF-A doesn't necessarily follow the alpha numeric model designation, but then again the IS-F doesn't really follow it either. :uh:

BMW's M doesn't follow their traditional naming scheme either.
I think F should just be what it is. I mean I doubt Lexus would offer two different engines for each of their F cars. They don't have enough motors to source out for that. Unlike AMG which has the 5.5 and 6.3 V8, and the 6.0TT V12.

Rumor had it that it would be called the GT 500, although that has been overused and misused already (even the PT Cruiser has a GT version...).I thought Ford already has had official right to the GT500 name for a long long time.:D

Anyone see the article in R&D about the LF-A?

I can not wait too see this car on the road *drools*

what are you referring to?

I mean I doubt Lexus would offer two different engines for each of their F cars. They don't have enough motors to source out for that.

Lexus/Toyota has a large array of engines for different platforms and purposes. Anything is possible. Toyota is literally a cash cow for producing/R&D engines.

Lexus/Toyota has a large array of engines for different platforms and purposes. Anything is possible. Toyota is literally a cash cow for producing/R&D engines.

True they have a lot of money to R&D new engines but Toyota is known for being pretty conservative. Even with the new F series, they sourced an already developed 5.0 V8 and 8 speed auto tranny. I don't really see a need for Lexus to market more than one F series for each car anyway.

Even with the new F series, they sourced an already developed 5.0 V8 and 8 speed auto tranny.

True the 5.0L is being used in two other vehicles, the Lexus Daytona Prototype which was the first, and the LS600hL as second but is still undergoing R&D and final certification for dot and epa. The engine displacement and tranny are a basis but each are purposely built for each. i.e. Hybrid Synergy Drive, race motor or high output performance motor. The 8 speed tranny are only used in two vehicles, but like the engines, they may be similar having the same number of gears, but they are purpose built for each application. It may seem like it was an afterthought but IS-F project has been in development for quite some time.

Rumor had it that it would be called the GT 500, although that has been overused and misused already (even the PT Cruiser has a GT version...).

"LF-A" stands for Lexus Future (- Advanced?). Please, someone correct me.

Personally, I think the LF-A should be the next gen SC-F. I would then like to see what the "regular" SC460 would look like...

Many would disagree with you. I do too

I would like to see a SC-F apart from the LF-A

BMW's M doesn't follow their traditional naming scheme either.
I think F should just be what it is. I mean I doubt Lexus would offer two different engines for each of their F cars. They don't have enough motors to source out for that. Unlike AMG which has the 5.5 and 6.3 V8, and the 6.0TT V12.

Where did you get the idea of 2 different engines for each of their F cars? or do you mean 2 engines for the whole F line?

They already have the 5.0 V-8. Then there is the V-10 that will probably eventually see duty in another F car, apart from the LF-A (and i'm sure Lexus only slapped the F badge on that for promotion of the F brand, as it doesnt even have a base model yet) even if it is a generation from now.

If I had any say, I'd get them to develop a twin turbo version of the 1GZ 5.0 V12 to put in an LS-F.

There...3 engines 5.0 V8, 5.0 TT V-12, ~4.8 V10.... 3 power plants, just like MB.
Just so you know though, MB is migrating from the 5.5 to use only the 6.3, tuned differently for different applications. Do you think Lexus would see the need to develop any more engines than the 5.0 V8?

Where did you get the idea of 2 different engines for each of their F cars? or do you mean 2 engines for the whole F line?

They already have the 5.0 V-8. Then there is the V-10 that will probably eventually see duty in another F car, apart from the LF-A (and i'm sure Lexus only slapped the F badge on that for promotion of the F brand, as it doesnt even have a base model yet) even if it is a generation from now.

If I had any say, I'd get them to develop a twin turbo version of the 1GZ 5.0 V12 to put in an LS-F.

There...3 engines 5.0 V8, 5.0 TT V-12, ~4.8 V10.... 3 power plants, just like MB.
Just so you know though, MB is migrating from the 5.5 to use only the 6.3, tuned differently for different applications. Do you think Lexus would see the need to develop any more engines than the 5.0 V8?

I did know that MBZ was moving to the 6.3. But that still leaves the 6.0TT V12 as another engine.

Well if they ever decide to do an LS-F than yes they would need to develop another engine. The LS600hL already used the 2UR engine.
The 1GZ doesn't output much power especially for a V12 but the application is for the Century which is supposed to be a refined vehicle.

And I don't really know where I pulled the 2 engines for the F-series from. I was thinking that myself when I looked at my post. :dunno:

The SC-F will not be the LF-A, they're different vehicles. One is a two seater and one is a 2+2 hardtop convertible (although there have been some testing done on a drop-top LF-A). Although I could see a retuned version of the V10 in both a SC-F and GS-F.

I did know that MBZ was moving to the 6.3. But that still leaves the 6.0TT V12 as another engine.

Well if they ever decide to do an LS-F than yes they would need to develop another engine. The LS600hL already used the 2UR engine.
The 1GZ doesn't output much power especially for a V12 but the application is for the Century which is supposed to be a refined vehicle.

And I don't really know where I pulled the 2 engines for the F-series from. I was thinking that myself when I looked at my post. :dunno:

The SC-F will not be the LF-A, they're different vehicles. One is a two seater and one is a 2+2 hardtop convertible (although there have been some testing done on a drop-top LF-A). Although I could see a retuned version of the V10 in both a SC-F and GS-F.

Apart from the IS-F, so far only one other production vehicle will use the 5.0L 2UR, and that is the LS hybrid. Both the LS Hybrid and IS-F are limited production, exclusive vehicles. Further, the LS hybrid's 2UR is tuned specifically for fuel economy. The 2UR in the LS Hybrid also uses FSE heads, while the IS-F will use exclusive GSE heads. No other Lexus model will share the 2UR-GSE, as least for now.

As for the LF-A, it too will likely have an exclusive V10 engine, not used by any other model. It would also be Toyota's first production V10 engine.

I did know that MBZ was moving to the 6.3. But that still leaves the 6.0TT V12 as another engine.

Well if they ever decide to do an LS-F than yes they would need to develop another engine. The LS600hL already used the 2UR engine.
The 1GZ doesn't output much power especially for a V12 but the application is for the Century which is supposed to be a refined vehicle.

And I don't really know where I pulled the 2 engines for the F-series from. I was thinking that myself when I looked at my post. :dunno:

The SC-F will not be the LF-A, they're different vehicles. One is a two seater and one is a 2+2 hardtop convertible (although there have been some testing done on a drop-top LF-A). Although I could see a retuned version of the V10 in both a SC-F and GS-F.

The V12 does NOT put out 'only 280hp'. Its closer to 330-350hp. Its is comparable to other NA V12 engines considering the displacement. Forged internals, re-tuned heads and twin turbos..... I can see 600hp easy

The V12 does NOT put out 'only 280hp'. Its closer to 330-350hp. Its is comparable to other NA V12 engines considering the displacement. Forged internals, re-tuned heads and twin turbos..... I can see 600hp easy

Top Secret's V12 GZ-powered Supra shown at the Tokyo Auto Salon is said to make 800HP, and capable of 1000HP.

so I heard...I wanna see it on he dyno, then I wanna see it put it down on the road/track, then I wanna see how long it lasts, then we can talk.

so I heard...I wanna see it on he dyno, then I wanna see it put it down on the road/track, then I wanna see how long it lasts, then we can talk.

Top Secret is known and reputable for making not just show cars, but also cars that can prove themselves on the street and on the track.

Top Secret is known and reputable for making not just show cars, but also cars that can prove themselves on the street and on the track.

I know, i've seen their work. I wanna see this latest product before I give it a full 2 thumbs up.

One thing it would be interesting to see the Lexus LF-A (GT-F) in 24h Le Mans

Now THAT i'd love to see.

Comon Lexus Make An Announcemenet About The all New Sc to Be Unveiled In New York!!!!!! You Didnt Do Nothing In Chicago So Make Us Speechless Like You Did With The Lfa (ii)!!!


Make The Announcement Already!!!!! :d

^^^
I would LOVE that.

I would expect an announcement from lexus by now if they were going to introduce the SC....

I was actually hoping for more information about the LF-A and some more concrete estimates about actual release, production numbers, etc....

i dont get it. last year they made huge introductions...ES, LS, IS, GS hybrid...one reveal every major autoshow.

They didnt do anythign in chicago this year...the other auto show left is new york. It would be kinda dumb and they will overshadow themselves by not making any announcement at New York, with only detroit reveals.

id be interested in hearing the weight. and when they plan on introducing the production car.

my bet on the production intro = TMS07 or more likely detroit 08, with sales starting a year out, is-f style.

anyone want to bet on the weight? 3100lbs? i got over. who wants to take the under?

i dont get it. last year they made huge introductions...ES, LS, IS, GS hybrid...one reveal every major autoshow.

They didnt do anythign in chicago this year...the other auto show left is new york. It would be kinda dumb and they will overshadow themselves by not making any announcement at New York, with only detroit reveals.

Lexus historically doesn't do much at Chicago. Typically, Lexus makes big announcements at Detroit and New York. Lexus also premiered the 2nd gen IS at Geneva.

It's a bit too early to make New York announcements. Also watch out for a potential Geneva announcement.

^^
Yep, Lexus IS at Geneva was a key step for the expansion of Lexus Europe; LS/GS at Detroit is a tradition at the 'biggest show,' there were followup previews of the IS/GSh at NY, and then the ES premiered at Chicago...

...I expect that also we'll be seeing more premieres, etc. at Tokyo...

^^
Yep, Lexus IS at Geneva was a key step for the expansion of Lexus Europe; LS/GS at Detroit is a tradition at the 'biggest show,' there were followup previews of the IS/GSh at NY, and then the ES premiered at Chicago...

...I expect that also we'll be seeing more premieres, etc. at Tokyo...

In the future, expect to see Lexus premieres on a worldwide scale, not just in North American autoshows. The production LF-A is rumoured to premiere this year at Tokyo. The next SC could premiere at any number of shows. The LX570 may premiere in New York. And IS model variants like the coupe could also premiere in Europe.

Hmm, I think it was R&T that said it'll be called the GT-F since GT500 is already taken by Ford

GT-F sounds probable. If thye do make IS coupe they shoudl rename it to "IC"

I was thinking IC just like SC, but I think Lexus will probably be wanting to promote the IS brand even further, just like BMW has the 3-series as its iconic car. Fortunately Lexus has given itself flexibility because IS stands for "Intelligent Sport" according to the US promo vids (S not for Sedan like in other Lexus models)...

this opens the door for an IS 350c or IS 460 C however they want to call it.

GT-F sounds very good :thumbup:

this opens the door for an IS 350c or IS 460 C however they want to call it.

Looks like a wannabe-Bimmer if they do the IS350c.

Perhaps ISc350? I dunno...

Looks like a wannabe-Bimmer if they do the IS350c.

Perhaps ISc350? I dunno...

Or just IS350.
G35 has no coupe designation.
I find it redundant to have a coupe designation. You can tell it's a coupe.

Or just IS350.
G35 has no coupe designation.
I find it redundant to have a coupe designation. You can tell it's a coupe.
Much better. Good idea. :thumbup:

Or just IS350.
G35 has no coupe designation.
I find it redundant to have a coupe designation. You can tell it's a coupe.

+2 :thumbup:

It may seem like it was an afterthought but IS-F project has been in development for quite some time.


He's right, Lexus corporate commissioned Rod Millen Motorworks back in 2003 to build a custom IS430. This means they have been seriously thinking about it for a while, and decided to wait until the new platform to actually go through with it.

Or just IS350.
G35 has no coupe designation.
I find it redundant to have a coupe designation. You can tell it's a coupe.

not only that...lexus cars that carry the c designation are exclusively coupes

not only that...lexus cars that carry the c designation are exclusively coupes

Well that's only held true for the SC thus far. But I think it would be dumb to create a brand new name plate just for the coupe/convertible or to give it any special naming at all. If you can't tell it's a coupe than... hell you're dumb.

agreed...

But tell that to mercedes and their CL Klase
.......ROFL!!!

Doesn't IS stand for Intelligent Sedan or something?

IS = Intelligent Sport

I think it's a deliberate thing, shift from Luxury Sedan / Executive Sedan / etc.

Of course the 1 IS had an IS 300 SportCross...

Then again there's the LF-C...coupe

...but this is the LF-A thread and supposedly it might be GT-F...

Did anyone see the latest Road & Track cover article? It has the NSX, GT-R, and LF-A on the cover...

only they call it '550 bhp Lexus GT-F"

Did anyone see the latest Road & Track cover article? It has the NSX, GT-R, and LF-A on the cover...

only they call it '550 bhp Lexus GT-F"Wow 550hp...now that's really something.:eek2: It actually sounds about right, given the same displacement as but with a 1000rpm higher redline than the M5.

Wow 550hp...now that's really something.:eek2: It actually sounds about right, given the same displacement as but with a 1000rpm higher redline than the M5.

I hope it's true & it BETTER be, the LF-A is still ~2 years away from launch, the competition aren't standing still . . .

Hmmmmm...GT-F...I remember the name "GT" popping up internally with Lexus but we thought it was going to be what is now the "F" line...maybe GT is a car then....

Wow 550hp...now that's really something.:eek2: It actually sounds about right, given the same displacement as but with a 1000rpm higher redline than the M5.

550 would be nice, but if they get closer to 600 would be even nicer, atleast it have the same horsepower as the Viper and Corvette when those models come out in 2008 also.

They dont need more than 550hp if they meet their weight target of 2600 lbs

They dont need more than 550hp if they meet their weight target of 2600 lbs

very true

600 hp would be some nice over kill :)

One thing 2600 lbs whoa thats less than a Saleen S7!

They dont need more than 550hp if they meet their weight target of 2600 lbs

[fainted] :eek3: Wow, I'd always heard they were aiming for 3000 or under, but 2600? That car would wipe the floor with most exotics out there... especially anything under $200,000. Any clue how much the Nissan GTR is gonna weigh in? With a price tag of 60 or 70, there's no way it can be an all carbon fiber car. I'm gonna guess its gonna be no less than 3,000lbs.

Sorry but no way in bloody hell the LF-A will weigh 2600lbs...

IF THE LF-A WEIGHS 2600lbs, I even say 2700lbs, I will sing "WE ARE THE WORLD" and post it on Clublexus.

The RX-8 doesn't weigh 2600lbs. There use of lightweight tech would be immense and the cost of this car around $500,000, unless Lexus eats the cost.

Considering this is a LEXUS. which means it will have tons of luxury and tech, it will weigh 3300lbs.

The 911 TURBO weighs 3500lbs.

Sorry but no way in bloody hell the LF-A will weigh 2600lbs...

IF THE LF-A WEIGHS 2600lbs, I even say 2700lbs, I will sing "WE ARE THE WORLD" and post it on Clublexus.

The RX-8 doesn't weigh 2600lbs. There use of lightweight tech would be immense and the cost of this car around $500,000, unless Lexus eats the cost.

Considering this is a LEXUS. which means it will have tons of luxury and tech, it will weigh 3300lbs.

The 911 TURBO weighs 3500lbs.

3300 pounds would sound about right but 2600 would be even sweeter lol

9 months until the Tokyo autoshow :(

Sorry but no way in bloody hell the LF-A will weigh 2600lbs...

IF THE LF-A WEIGHS 2600lbs, I even say 2700lbs, I will sing "WE ARE THE WORLD" and post it on Clublexus.

The RX-8 doesn't weigh 2600lbs. There use of lightweight tech would be immense and the cost of this car around $500,000, unless Lexus eats the cost.

Considering this is a LEXUS. which means it will have tons of luxury and tech, it will weigh 3300lbs.

The 911 TURBO weighs 3500lbs.

LOL. 2600 lbs. Man an all aluminum/carbon fiber chassis. :D

Sorry but no way in bloody hell the LF-A will weigh 2600lbs...

IF THE LF-A WEIGHS 2600lbs, I even say 2700lbs, I will sing "WE ARE THE WORLD" and post it on Clublexus.

The RX-8 doesn't weigh 2600lbs. There use of lightweight tech would be immense and the cost of this car around $500,000, unless Lexus eats the cost.

Considering this is a LEXUS. which means it will have tons of luxury and tech, it will weigh 3300lbs.

The 911 TURBO weighs 3500lbs.

All carbon fibre is the rumor. Make that sub 3000lbs and ur on. Cuz personally I dont think they can do 2600lbs either.

An optimistic 2800 at best.