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GFerg
04-28-07, 02:05 PM
http://i.usatoday.net/money/_photos/2007/04/27/scion-medtopper-472.jpg




Scion casts Net for edgy young dudes

TORRANCE, Calif. — Please don't read this. It's probably not meant for you.

Not unless you're a young man with an artistic bent, in which case Toyota (TM) is fairly sure you have already tripped across one of its edgy Internet ads, cryptic movie trailers or other odd marketing placements for the redesign of its boxy Scion xB that goes on sale next week.

Toyota is actively trying to isolate Scion messages from the tragically unhip by relaunching the xB without any advertising on television or in mainstream publications.

Auto industry executives say such a move is highly unusual. The only other recent example was in 2000 when Volvo tried an online-only approach to launch a sedan at the height of dotcom mania.

"It's a brilliant and gutsy stroke," says consultant Gordon Wangers about Toyota's ad strategy. "It gives them credibility in some regard with the counterculture."
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Not that Toyota thinks it needs the cred. From Scion's beginning, it has tried to tightly court a single, narrow demographic: male urban trend setters, ages 18 to 35. The belief is that those guys' street cred will pull in customers of all ages. Women, too.

Hence, the online advertising at the expense of TV and print. "Young men spend more time online than they do watching TV," says Scion's boomer-age chief, Mark Templin.

But entirely shutting off the mainstream is a radical notion. Former Hyundai Motor America CEO Bob Cosmai, now a consultant, says medium-sized automakers may spend up to $50 million to launch a vehicle, with the bulk going to TV and print. Even the original xB, the toaster-shaped van that has come to define the brand, had at least some TV advertising behind it when it launched in 2003. And Toyota has set an ambitious target for sales of the shapelier new xB: 42,500 this year and 60,000 next year.

Toyota tried to whip up grassroots anticipation in December by inviting 300 owners, Scion club members and selected alternative-press reporters for a private showing of customized versions of the new vehicle, two months before the official unveiling at the Chicago Auto Show.

Then the Scion team followed up in February by launching a website, Want2BSquare.com as the centerpiece of its teaser campaign. Movie trailers, posters and billboards pointed viewers to the site, filled with video content and games, without giving away that it was to promote a Scion.

Scion will have billboards in urban areas as part of the xB launch that poke fun at its polarizing looks. One, for instance shows an xB with messages on either side. One says, "Just as gorgeous as it used to be." The other says, "Just as hideous as it used to be."

But Templin says the goal was to design a billboard campaign that's "almost invisible to the mainstream." Mom, dad and grandpa may see the board, but the message won't stick. Young men will think it's cool.

Likewise, Scion is becoming more selective about the Internet sites on which it chooses to advertise. The popular, youth-oriented personal page site MySpace.com no longer ranks because it "is way too mainstream" now for Scion, Templin says. Instead, Scion buys placement on sites like Second Life, in which visitors assume a character as they navigate through a digital landscape.

In 2000, Volvo put its entire ad budget for the launch of the S60 sedan into a campaign on America Online. Spokesman Soren Johansson says it was a success, but AutoPacific consultant Jim Hall remembers otherwise. "They thought they could do it online, and it died the death of a thousand razors," Hall says.

Toyota, he says, can make a success of its unconventional campaign because it's not expecting to sell huge volumes by taking the exclusivity approach.

Indeed, Scion second-in-command Steve Haag says: "Could we sell more cars tomorrow if we put an ad in Newsweek and USA TODAY? Yeah, we probably could, but that's not why we're here."

Templin says the strategy is in line with the Scion brand's goal of taking risks, even if it means occasionally falling flat on your face.

"Someone asked me the other day (what) I wanted to do this year, and I said 'I want to fail more.' "

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2007-04-26-scion-usat_N.htm

TRDFantasy
04-28-07, 02:39 PM
Very interesting twist on Scion's marketing, and it will be interesting to see how well it works. It's refreshing that Toyota is willing to take such big risks with Scion. Most other automakers would never take such risks, even if it was a youth brand.

I am still hoping that Scion one day will come Canada, and not be just an exclusive brand for the US. Scion could easily become very popular here in Canada.

PhilipMSPT
04-28-07, 02:47 PM
The New xB Teaser Website (www.want2BSquare.com)

That is one freaky website...

TRDFantasy
04-28-07, 02:50 PM
The New xB Teaser Website (www.want2BSquare.com)

That is one freaky website...

I too have visited that website. It's almost shocking that such a strange website is associated with an automaker.

spwolf
04-28-07, 03:07 PM
60k in full year? they will double that number if they have the supply...

mmarshall
04-28-07, 03:35 PM
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I am still hoping that Scion one day will come Canada, and not be just an exclusive brand for the US. Scion could easily become very popular here in Canada.

The Toyota Yaris, which IS available in Canada, has the same platform, drivetrain, and even the same goofy center-dash gauges as the Scion xA and xB.
http://www.toyotanation.com/yaris/

o2GS43o
04-28-07, 03:38 PM
Full kit, dropped, on rims... eww... Xbox still...

Stage3
04-28-07, 03:45 PM
I like it. And I think the advertisement is perfect... it got us talking about it... good bad or indifferent. Just think about all the plain jane ads that are out there that we never talk about... Good job.:thumbup:

GFerg
04-28-07, 03:55 PM
The New xB Teaser Website (www.want2BSquare.com)

That is one freaky website...

I have no idea what the hell Im looking at on that site.

thetopdog
04-28-07, 04:14 PM
I think I hate every single thing about Scion, the cars, the advertising, the styling. Scion's entire raison d'etre is ridiculous

TRDFantasy
04-28-07, 05:33 PM
The Toyota Yaris, which IS available in Canada, has the same platform, drivetrain, and even the same goofy center-dash gauges as the Scion xA and xB.
http://www.toyotanation.com/yaris/

What I meant was that I wanted to actually have the funky Scion styling, and that it would be a good move for Toyota to offer Scion here, complete with the strange marketing, and extensive customization. I'd rather pay a bit more for a new xB or new xD than a Yaris. With Scion, you're getting some unique styling, some great standard features and equipment, including a Pioneer audio system, and the new Scion cars all have a better engine than the Yaris' 1.5L.

The new xD has that sweet 1.8L ZR engine, and the new xB gets the 2.4L AZ engine. With the xB, you now have the option of adding a supercharger, just like on the tC.

Having the Scion brand fully in Canada would get a lot of kids to drive Scions instead of Civics. Virtually all the modified cars, at least in and around Toronto are Civics. There is no variety here in terms of modded cars. Bringing over Scion would add more variety, plus it would make Toyota more credible amount young people.

TRDFantasy
04-28-07, 05:35 PM
I think I hate every single thing about Scion, the cars, the advertising, the styling. Scion's entire raison d'etre is ridiculous

If you are an older buyer, Scion purposely wants you to ignore or to hate Scion, because that tends to make it cooler among young people, and tends to get younger people interested in Scion.

STIG
04-28-07, 06:59 PM
The product need to polarize people. It's either really ugly or it looks good.

1SICKLEX
04-28-07, 07:19 PM
I can appreciate them admitting its ugly to some people and gorgous to some. We have too many car makers who's arrogance is stated by their design team "we are just too advanced" or "people don't understand it yet".

No its just ugly to some and its gorgous to others.

Brilliant!

thetopdog
04-28-07, 07:23 PM
If you are an older buyer, Scion purposely wants you to ignore or to hate Scion, because that tends to make it cooler among young people, and tends to get younger people interested in Scion.

I'm 23 and I have a ton of disposable income. I'm exactly the kind of buyer Scion is looking for

I honestly don't know any young males that want a modified Toyota Echo that looks like a delivery van. Not to mention that the marketing is obnoxious.

It might just be my friends and I, but every guy my age loves power and sleek styling. So I have no idea what kind of person would buy a Scion. No offense to those who have one, but I'm content enough with my Corvette, which is basically the polar opposite of a Scion

MR_F1
04-28-07, 07:35 PM
^^ scion does not care about you. Lexus might though

thetopdog
04-28-07, 07:52 PM
^^ scion does not care about you. Lexus might though

I thought young males with disposable income are Scion's target market? Not to be cocky but maybe I have too much disposable income and can actually afford a performance car?

Lexus doesn't really appeal to me either. I don't like to generalize brands, but there's nothing in the current Lexus lineup that interests me. I bought a GS400 last summer because I always loved that car back in high school. The first gen SC400 was cool too, but besides those 2, Lexus hasn't really made a car I would consider purchasing, although I can understand why other people would buy them. I honestly can't understand why anybody young and male would want a Scion

MR_F1
04-28-07, 08:17 PM
Maybe because not all young males have disposable incomes?

thetopdog
04-28-07, 08:26 PM
Maybe because not all young males have disposable incomes?

That's true, but there are plenty of other similarly priced cars out there (new and used) that are more appealing to me than any Scion

JLSC4
04-28-07, 08:48 PM
thetopdog:

Yeah, your not a Scion customer. Scion buyers are typically young people who make around $8-12/hr and need basic but reliable transportation and want something different than a Corolla.

I'm 28 and think Scions are great. Plus, half the Scions I see are driven by people 40 and older. They seem to appeal to a much broader customer base than planned.

tuan92129
04-28-07, 10:22 PM
It looks better than the previous model, but still wacky.
I'll take my Lexus any day....

thetopdog
04-29-07, 02:19 AM
thetopdog:

Yeah, your not a Scion customer. Scion buyers are typically young people who make around $8-12/hr and need basic but reliable transportation and want something different than a Corolla.


I guess the point that I was trying to make is that even if I made $6/hr I still wouldn't consider any of their cars. The TC is OK I guess, but the xA and xB are pathetic attempts in my opinion

Obviously not everybody shares my viewpoint but I still fail to see how they market a car to young males that has no power, and is totally devoid of sex appeal. The 2 things I care about most in a car are 1)Power/Handling/Performance, 2)Beauty. I assumed most young guys agree with me but I guess I might be wrong

PhilipMSPT
04-29-07, 08:09 AM
Obviously not everybody shares my viewpoint but I still fail to see how they market a car to young males that has no power, and is totally devoid of sex appeal. The 2 things I care about most in a car are 1)Power/Handling/Performance, 2)Beauty. I assumed most young guys agree with me but I guess I might be wrong

Most people want performance and beauty. There is nothing wrong with that.

But for most people, when they only have a $20k budget, most people need functionality and cost-effectiveness. At that budget, most people are willing to sacrifice performance, especially if the car is used for everyday driving in traffic.

And Beauty is subjective; some people like the look of the xA and xB because of it's uniqueness, and that's why people would rather spend $$$ on modding and personalizing Scions, instead of getting something stock with more bells and whistles that's more expensive. For example, I find Lambos ugly looking, but it makes me like it no less than my IS or an xB...

Lexmex
04-29-07, 08:19 AM
When I saw this ad and those sayings, for some reason I thought of that 2Live Crew album, as nasty as they want to be and their clean version as clean as they want to be. Growing up in South Florida will do that to you.

Nextourer
04-30-07, 11:29 AM
not to mention the xB outsold the xA 2:1

spwolf
04-30-07, 04:05 PM
I guess the point that I was trying to make is that even if I made $6/hr I still wouldn't consider any of their cars. The TC is OK I guess, but the xA and xB are pathetic attempts in my opinion

Obviously not everybody shares my viewpoint but I still fail to see how they market a car to young males that has no power, and is totally devoid of sex appeal. The 2 things I care about most in a car are 1)Power/Handling/Performance, 2)Beauty. I assumed most young guys agree with me but I guess I might be wrong

Actually, they tested new xB vs Civic, Mazda 3, and old xB.

In fact, new xB was the best out of bunch, and only lost braking test to Mazda 3. And yes, in slalom, new xB was faster, as well as in power... so performance wise, it is quite hot for under 20k car.

mmarshall
05-01-07, 04:40 AM
thetopdog:

Yeah, your not a Scion customer. Scion buyers are typically young people who make around $8-12/hr and need basic but reliable transportation and want something different than a Corolla.

I'm 28 and think Scions are great. Plus, half the Scions I see are driven by people 40 and older. They seem to appeal to a much broader customer base than planned.

Scions, except for the tC, are indeed popular with many older people, who like them for their low price, high quality, dependability, gas mileage, and space efficiency inside. Of course, the older folks, in most cases, are not going to buy the flashy dealer accessories that some of the young tuners and customizers do.