http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-lifata0427,0,2767626.story?coll=ny-main-bigpix


http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2007-04/29378664.jpg

:sad:

2007 BMW, you can see the front bumper/grille and it looks like a 3 coupe

what do you expect when u give two IRRESPONSIBLE teens the keys to an '07 (and prolly I6 powered) BMW........

i know in CA u cant even legally carry passengers in teh car for a year after u get ur license (and ur <18).

2007 BMW, you can see the front bumper/grille and it looks like a 3 coupe
wheel(s) make me think 3series.

I am guessing that's 335i E90 (from the sport package wheels)

The hit a tree..... I've seen cars that hit trees.....

.......... I can't imagine how fast they hit that tree.......

Damn. That car just disintegrated. No sign of an explosion though...

that looks like what a plane crash looks like with all of the debri scattered around...

What car? I don't see a car...

+1 for bmw. and lol at dix hills. damn im immature.

Sigh... immature teenagers.

Wow! :eek2: Just by judging the wreckage, I don't think anybody could have survived that.

Wow! :eek2: Just by judging the wreckage, I don't think anybody could have survived that.
i bet you chuck norris coulda hit the tree in such a way that it would have exploded into a million shards, landed in such a way as to make u a log cabin with attached garage, AND turn the 335i into Porsche Carrera GT :cool:

chuck norris is lame.

C'mon folks, these teens DIED.

The guy that split his white 350Z in half survived, but these two people are gone now.

Show some respect for the dead, not talk about what rims the car had, Chuck goddamn' Norris, etc.

Geez.

I have seen worse in Mexico...like things blowing up;)

Looks as if it disintegrated from an explosion :eek2:

Well, as much as I feel back for the two teens, I'm kind of glad they killed themselves only, and didn't kill any other innocent drivers. I am very familiar with that area, it's an upscale are in Long Island, and a lot of parents overspoil their kids by buying them these expensive fast cars, and this accident goes to show why it's not a good thing.

Well, as much as I feel back for the two teens, I'm kind of glad they killed themselves only, and didn't kill any other innocent drivers. I am very familiar with that area, it's an upscale are in Long Island, and a lot of parents overspoil their kids by buying them these expensive fast cars, and this accident goes to show why it's not a good thing.

was just about to say that... Dix Hills has some pretty nice homes, and the owner of the BMW's house was shown... pretty ncie. the passengers dad was on TV and torn apart, crying on TV, a grown man... made me feel very bad for the families, especially the passengers father.

I keep telling people that BMW's aren't that reliable and just fall apart.

whoa..where's the chassis? that thing should still be in tact.

Well, as much as I feel back for the two teens, I'm kind of glad they killed themselves only, and didn't kill any other innocent drivers. ......

I agree.
It wasn't like they were innocent bystanders.

You pay your own price for being reckless.:sad:

BTW, is this a gauge cluster on the ground???:eek2:

is their parents fault for lettin their kids drive it, they should know the BMW is fast and turbocharge and crash it at 110mph bcs they lost control of the wheel reachin at the speed.

is their parents fault for lettin their kids drive it, they should know the BMW is fast and turbocharge and crash it at 110mph bcs they lost control of the wheel reachin at the speed.

i dont think thats real fair to say. i dont have kids, but i know how alot of parents are in denial on how irresponsible kids can be, and give these kids cars like these to keep their kids happy, thinking their kids are not gonna drive in excessive speeds, or wrecklessly.

what about the passengers parents? they didnt get their child the 3 series.

I don't want to dog the kids because they paid the ultimate price for their actions.

Parents that are wealthy enough to afford their children fast cars should be more responsible. My dad knew I drove fast when I was a teen, so he talked to me about it and set me straight. These parents have enough money to put a speed-log device similar to that used by rental and insurance companies. Any sign of irresponsible driving could easily warrant the appropriate actions. Unfortunately many kids seem to wear the pants in the parent-child relationship these days.

An aside - Who pays for the cleanup of that mess? Taxpayers or the insurance company?

C'mon folks, these teens DIED.

Show some respect for the dead, not talk about what rims the car had,

Geez.

Nope....NO WAY. You can "'Geez" all you want, but the a**hole driving that car, at least, doesn't DESERVE any respect, alive or dead. To disintegrate a car like that, especially with the kind of unibody frame a BMW has, shows he was going insanely fast...far too fast for conditions. The passenger? :uh: Maybe he deserves some respect, maybe not. I don't know. The grieving parents, friends, and loved ones? Definitely...THEY deserve some respect.

I don't want to dog the kids because they paid the ultimate price for their actions.



I disagree........see my post above. Stupidity is stupidity, whether someone dies from it or not.

Could be a E92 335i coupe, non sport. There's a chunk of metal that looks like the coupe rear right quarter panel.

That point aside, well lets just say the driver wasn't the most responsible of people. 'nuff said.:thumbdn:

Wow! Where is the rest of the car?

C'mon folks, these teens DIED.

Show some respect for the dead

Do you show respect for the murderers/rapists/etc that died through death sentences too?

Being dead doesn't automatically give them any rights to more respect than they had before they died, especially if they were idiots to began with.

Yes it's sad that they died, but their actions caused the accident.

I keep telling people that BMW's aren't that reliable and just fall apart.

Really?....you just had to make that snide remark didn't you?

Related: Teens 'trunking' to avoid a new law.

http://cbs13.com/local/local_story_117202453.html

Just can't keep the little buggers down.

Do you show respect for the murderers/rapists/etc that died through death sentences too?

Ok, that's just absurd.

It's not like the teens loaded bombs in the trunk and try to deliberately kill innocent people.

Now don't get me wrong. I'm not praising them at all.

I think driving at that speed was stupid of them, and speeding on public roads just shouldn't be done.

But honestly, how many people here can say they haven't done something crazy on the public roads at least once in their lifetime?

I don't think the number will be that high.

If you died from being in an accident from doing that crazy thing in the past, would you want a forum to criticize and make jokes of you?

I think not.

Well, as much as I feel back for the two teens, I'm kind of glad they killed themselves only, and didn't kill any other innocent drivers. I am very familiar with that area, it's an upscale are in Long Island, and a lot of parents overspoil their kids by buying them these expensive fast cars, and this accident goes to show why it's not a good thing.

The northern part of Long Island is filled with kids with expensive cars. If I remember correctly a couple of years back a teen was also killed out here because he was racing his M-B CLK against a corvette.

May they RIP though.

Ok, that's just absurd.

It's not like the teens loaded bombs in the trunk and try to deliberately kill innocent people.

Now don't get me wrong. I'm not praising them at all.

I think driving at that speed was stupid of them, and speeding on public roads just shouldn't be done.

But honestly, how many people here can say they haven't done something crazy on the public roads at least once in their lifetime?

I don't think the number will be that high.

If you died from being in an accident from doing that crazy thing in the past, would you want a forum to criticize and make jokes of you?

I think not.

If they had died because something happened to the car, or someone outside was involved, then its a different story. These kids KNEW the consequences. There shouldn't get sympathy from others for doing crazy stuff.

People do crazy things all the time on the road, but thats no excuse for their actions. Just because people have done it in the past does not give any reason for the next person to do the same.

If I died because I did something stupid, I could care less of what an internet forum may think. After all, I would be dead. Second of all, I would deserve to being made fun of and criticized. I shouldn't expect people to sympathized for my erattic behaviors.

What did those kids do that deserve them more respect?

btw guys, i think all that white stuff on the ground is their school work, not parts of the car's body.. but yea, thats gotta be the worst crash ive ever seen,

i remember my uncle died in a car crash when he fell aslp at the wheel and crossed the median and was T-boned but it wasnt that bad..

C'mon folks, these teens DIED.

The guy that split his white 350Z in half survived, but these two people are gone now.

Show some respect for the dead, not talk about what rims the car had, Chuck goddamn' Norris, etc.

Geez.

Nah.


Do you show respect for the murderers/rapists/etc that died through death sentences too?

Being dead doesn't automatically give them any rights to more respect than they had before they died, especially if they were idiots to began with.

Yes it's sad that they died, but their actions caused the accident.

Werd.

Ok, that's just absurd.

It's not like the teens loaded bombs in the trunk and try to deliberately kill innocent people.

Now don't get me wrong. I'm not praising them at all.

I think driving at that speed was stupid of them, and speeding on public roads just shouldn't be done.

But honestly, how many people here can say they haven't done something crazy on the public roads at least once in their lifetime?

I don't think the number will be that high.

If you died from being in an accident from doing that crazy thing in the past, would you want a forum to criticize and make jokes of you?

I think not.

These teens were driving recklessly and their actions could well possibly have killed someone if they are nearby. That's even worse than setting a bomb. It is far more likely for someone to die from a car accident than a bomb explosion.

I don't do crazy things on public roads.

If I die from doing crazy things on the road and people on the forums criticize me, that's karma. I always tell my friends not to drive crazy, because if they die from accidents that they caused, I really can't feel sad about them or come up with a good reason to comfort their family members. That's true. People who die from doing their own stupid things and might possibly endanger others is better off dead than alive.

If that was your brother, father, or mother in the car they COULD have hit that night you'd all be a lot less likely to "respect" them.

Listen up kids I was just a kid no to long ago (now 38). I don't think they were deserving of death, its just what happens sometimes. Do you all deserve death when you speed 20-30-50 miles over the posted limit. Being young you think your car can do everything you ask of it. Any car can do 100 these days BMW or Honda so make is not the issue here.

So shut up and grow up or you"ll be dead just like them and I'll be laughing at you blamming your parents for raising a moron.:uh:....not really but you get the point.

We all live, and sometimes die, by our actions. The responsibility lies with the driver, aided and abetted by parents that didn't know their kid well enough to understand that giving a 2007 BMW to their kid was not the smartest thing to do. Now the son is dead and the parents will ask 'why'?

No word if a) alcohol or drugs were involved, or b) were they belted in? I would wager that one, and possibly both, of those items played a roll, although the crash itself was probably not survivable even if they had their belts on. Sorry that they were killed, but happy no innocents were killed by their stupidity.

The amount of energy dissipated in that crash was tremendous, I would suspect that they had the car up to the speed limiter when things went bad.

Do you show respect for the murderers/rapists/etc that died through death sentences too?

Being dead doesn't automatically give them any rights to more respect than they had before they died, especially if they were idiots to began with.

Yes it's sad that they died, but their actions caused the accident.

i agree with most of what has been said on this board but htis got me.

the DRIVER and ONLY the DRIVER is responsible for what happened. His actions were the ones that caused the accident and unless his friend was intentionally distracting him (no way to (dis)prove that now) so it will go down as being ONLY his fault.

C'mon folks, these teens DIED.

The guy that split his white 350Z in half survived, but these two people are gone now.

Show some respect for the dead, not talk about what rims the car had, Chuck goddamn' Norris, etc.

Geez.

this kid was an idiot, crashed his car, and died.

yes, i realize that he is dead, gone, passed away, bit the farm, etc. and so on.

doesn't erase the fact that he ****ed up now does it.


im not saying he deserved to die and im not saying im glad he died, but i am saying that he brought it via his own stupidity and knew as soon as he started the car that he could kill himself and his friend.

Listen up kids I was just a kid no to long ago (now 38). I don't think they were deserving of death, its just what happens sometimes. Do you all deserve death when you speed 20-30-50 miles over the posted limit. Being young you think your car can do everything you ask of it. Any car can do 100 these days BMW or Honda so make is not the issue here.

So shut up and grow up or you"ll be dead just like them and I'll be laughing at you blamming your parents for raising a moron.:uh:....not really but you get the point.

It's pretty messed up for you to say that we should shut up and grow up or else we'll be dead :uh: I am confident that my driving is safe, and will not endanger anyone in my car or on the streets. Nor will I give my kids a car that is racing-friendly, will often be the target of street racing challenges. So am I suppose to die now? Just because the kid brought it to himself? :uh:

I agree with GlobeCLK. Also, it's pretty clear the kids were going far more than just 20 or 30 miles per hour above the speed limit to cause that kind of destruction. What they were doing had to have had death wish written all over it for the car to disintegrate that badly.

i agree with most of what has been said on this board but htis got me.

the DRIVER and ONLY the DRIVER is responsible for what happened. His actions were the ones that caused the accident and unless his friend was intentionally distracting him (no way to (dis)prove that now) so it will go down as being ONLY his fault.

You're right. It's the driver's fault. But I would say most of those who are criticizing about this accident are criticizing the driver anyways.

"I've been doing this 23 1/2 years, and this has to be in the top two of the worst accidents I've seen," Feld said.

Top two? I'd like to see pics of the other member of the top two...

State Police were investigating the cause of the accident.

Er, stupidity?

Kids are dead. So? Doesn't make them immune from ridicule. Kinda like the two who died in a road rage accident on I-270 in the MD area recently. This 28yo guy and 25yo girl were in a Sebring convertible and were seen verbally sparring with and flicking off the driver of a green pickup. Pickup dude was super angry and got in front and slammed on his brakes, and the Sebring tried to evade but drove off the highway. Crashed, passengers ejected because neither was belted. Pickup driver hasn't been found. What he did was absolutely reprehensible. He deserves jailtime as much as the two in the Sebring deserve ridicule for not wearing seat belts. In fact, it's kinda like the NJ gov -- hard to feel much sympathy for him given his broken legs are probably due more to not buckling up than his driver speeding at 91mph.

All that said, I acknowledge I've done some amazingly boneheaded things in a car and have been extremely lucky to have lived to make fun of all these people. ;)

Really?....you just had to make that snide remark didn't you?

and he shouldn't have because....:uh:


i found it rather amusing :p

Over at Bimmerforums.com they are reporting it was a 335i.

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=737581

Speed was 'in excess of 100 mph' .... well in excess of that, I would say. The pic of what is left is amazing.

Of course now the stories come out on how the kids were so 'dependable and intelligent'. Yeah, right. Bottom line, no 17yo kid should be handed the keys to a +300hp car.

Of course now the stories come out on how the kids were so 'dependable and intelligent'. Yeah, right. Bottom line, no 17yo kid should be handed the keys to a +300hp car.

thats a very bad generalization

i myself was driving my (290hp but close enough) LS4 before i turned 18 (a few months ago)

i had a '95 before that.

i have quite a few friends with higher HP cars and some are stupid and shouldnt be allowed to drive, but there are people of all age groups who fall into this category. in fact, i know more people 20+ that drive stupid/do stupid isht on the roads than people 16-19.

thats a very bad generalization

i myself was driving my (290hp but close enough) LS4 before i turned 18 (a few months ago)

i had a '95 before that.

i have quite a few friends with higher HP cars and some are stupid and shouldnt be allowed to drive, but there are people of all age groups who fall into this category. in fact, i know more people 20+ that drive stupid/do stupid isht on the roads than people 16-19.

That is true. There are stupid people in all age groups. I think people usually generalize because younger folks with not much social accountability and financial responsibility tend to do things without considering the consequences. But like I said there are old immature people, as well as young but conscious people.

At the crash scene Saturday, teenagers spent the afternoon sifting through the brush. They found earphones, a gray headrest and Alfieri's acceptance letter to Hofstra University, where he had planned to study business in the fall. He was an only child who had burns on his arms from pulling hot pizzas out of the ovens at the Bohemia restaurant that his family runs.

"His father, Anthony, will probably never be the same," said Barbara Skelly, a former waitress at Saviano's on Sunrise Highway that the Alfieri family has run for 30 years. She stopped by the restaurant Saturday to drop off a flower at the door.

A sign taped to the door said the restaurant would be closed until further notice.

So I guess to some of you, if it were your kid driving that car, you would say "blah that stupid ***hole kid of mine, doesn't deserve any respect, its good that he/she died"
Sometimes these accidents are caused by peer pressure, sure it is still the driver's decision to follow or reject the pressure, but it's a hard thing to do. It's a sad thing that these kids have not matured yet.

I would really like to know how they lost control though.

So I guess to some of you, if it were your kid driving that car, you would say "blah that stupid ***hole kid of mine, doesn't deserve any respect, its good that he/she died"
Sometimes these accidents are caused by peer pressure, sure it is still the driver's decision to follow or reject the pressure, but it's a hard thing to do. It's a sad thing that these kids have not matured yet.

I would really like to know how they lost control though.

im pretty sure that nobody here thinks the kid got what he deserved, it was a tragic event...

BUT, it was preventable, and theres a lot of peer pressure to do drugs, smoke, drink, and do tons of other stupid $*%# and the only person to blame is the one who was behind the wheel. the introduction of the idea that "peer pressure" was the cause of this is nothing more than supposition.

So I guess to some of you, if it were your kid driving that car, you would say "blah that stupid ***hole kid of mine, doesn't deserve any respect, its good that he/she died"
Sometimes these accidents are caused by peer pressure, sure it is still the driver's decision to follow or reject the pressure, but it's a hard thing to do. It's a sad thing that these kids have not matured yet.

I would really like to know how they lost control though.

I think alot of you are missing the point. No one is saying "screw the kid and his parents too because they don't know any better." It is more like "teach your child how to behave and don't give the kids something dangerous."

I hope the family can cope with their loss, and eventually they will need to see that maybe the freedom and spoil they gave to their child is proven to be too much for him to handle.

At the same time, don't label people who are criticizing the driver as cold-blooded devils with no sympathy and heart. If it was your kid riding in the passenger seat of that car and he passed away from this tragic accident without having a role in causing this accident, then it will not be so easy to brush it off and say let's move on with our lives.

thats a very bad generalization

i myself was driving my (290hp but close enough) LS4 before i turned 18 (a few months ago)

i had a '95 before that.

i have quite a few friends with higher HP cars and some are stupid and shouldnt be allowed to drive, but there are people of all age groups who fall into this category. in fact, i know more people 20+ that drive stupid/do stupid isht on the roads than people 16-19.

We don't allow 12 year old kids to use firearms unsupervised, we don't allow medical students to treat patients without supervision, we don't allow people under 18 to enter into contracts by themselves, and the list goes on. As you state, you have friends who are stupid with cars. So how do we separate the good from the bad? By putting some restrictions on when, and where, inexperienced people can use these things. We have a curious system in this country where if you have the money you can buy the most powerful car or motorcycle as long as you pass the simple motor vehicle driving test which is inadequate to determine if you have the skills and temperment to use said vehicle. All other countries I've lived in have a multi-tiered licensing system with restrictions on size and power of vehicles, number of passengers that can be carried, alcohol use, time of day, etc. until they get some experience under their belt. It's not perfect, but it prevents a 16 yo getting his hands on a 160hp hyper Sports bike, or a +300 hp BMW. It's a step in the right direction.

Here's another example of children in cars capable of mass destruction.

http://www.4get2.com/2007/04/turbo_m3_911_tt_porsche_ferrari_f430_etc.php

Obviously their parents have way more dollars than sense.

Shouldn't be too long before we read the story about a teen-age driver of a red Ferrari F430 being killed while doing 135 MPH in daddy's car.....:sad:

There's a sign in the video which reads "Fairview Golf and Game Center". The location is in Cleveland, TN
I wonder how many red Ferrari F430s are registered with the DMV in Cleveland, Tennessee? Probably not too many!
It should be easy enough to track down its owner and send him the video of his son being a total moron behind the wheel.
Might even help save the kid's life, if it's not too late.

This was posted at e90post the other day; according to them it was a 2007 335i coupe non sport. The wheels tell the story.

You guys act like your all F'ing angels on here and never went fast in a car..If it was your brother or someone in your family would they deserve death? Kid made a stupid mistake thats what kids do but this kid wasn't that lucky. I don't see anyone flaming 1sick when he post his kills threads

Do you show respect for the murderers/rapists/etc that died through death sentences too?

Being dead doesn't automatically give them any rights to more respect than they had before they died, especially if they were idiots to began with.

Yes it's sad that they died, but their actions caused the accident.
Ouch! A little harsh there comparing an accident over premeditated murder. :sad:

You guys act like your all F'ing angels on here and never went fast in a car..

I don't see anyone flaming 1sick when he post his kills threads

1SICK is not dumb enough to do something like this. He is one of CL's, and CAR CHAT's, most auto-saavy people.

And, as far as being an angel goes, I won't claim that, but I am in my 50's and have NEVER gotten a speeding ticket...though I have a couple of red-light violations. I don't drive like an idiot... though I review a lot of cars and test their acceleration a reasonable amount.
And there is a reason why I don't drive like that. I saw more than one of my own high school classmates killed exactly like that moron in this thread.

1SICK is not dumb enough to do something like this. He is one of CL's, and CAR CHAT's, most auto-saavy people.

And, as far as being an angel goes, I won't claim that, but I am in my 50's and have NEVER gotten a speeding ticket...though I have a couple of red-light violations. I don't drive like an idiot... though I review a lot of cars and test their acceleration a reasonable amount.
And there is a reason why I don't drive like that. I saw more than one of my own high school classmates killed exactly like that moron in this thread.

Never say never my friend things happen...I was just making a point, doesn't matter how "auto saavy" someone is accidents still happen..:thumbup:

We don't allow 12 year old kids to use firearms unsupervised, we don't allow medical students to treat patients without supervision, we don't allow people under 18 to enter into contracts by themselves, and the list goes on. As you state, you have friends who are stupid with cars. So how do we separate the good from the bad? By putting some restrictions on when, and where, inexperienced people can use these things. We have a curious system in this country where if you have the money you can buy the most powerful car or motorcycle as long as you pass the simple motor vehicle driving test which is inadequate to determine if you have the skills and temperment to use said vehicle. All other countries I've lived in have a multi-tiered licensing system with restrictions on size and power of vehicles, number of passengers that can be carried, alcohol use, time of day, etc. until they get some experience under their belt. It's not perfect, but it prevents a 16 yo getting his hands on a 160hp hyper Sports bike, or a +300 hp BMW. It's a step in the right direction.

Those are some EXTREME examples. :sad:

This accident wasn't so much about experience. It was about irresponsibility. You can argue that the two are related in some ways (which they are), but it's not like the driver didn't know how to handle the vehicle.

He made a bad decision. He decided to drive *recklessly* which is what caused the accident.

On the topic of nasty crashes, here's one of a sub-one-ton vehicle. Yes, the Lotus Elise.

http://www.x3world.com/lounge/31123-lotus-elise-wreck.html

And look at how fast the driver was going..............:thumbdn:

Those are some EXTREME examples. :sad:



Of course it was an extreme example. Extreme stupidity brings extreme results.

On the topic of nasty crashes, here's one of a sub-one-ton vehicle. Yes, the Lotus Elise.

http://www.x3world.com/lounge/31123-lotus-elise-wreck.html

And look at how fast the driver was going..............:thumbdn:

Say how old was he ? :uh:

Don't think he was a 16 yrold.

Say how old was he ? :uh:

Don't think he was a 16 yrold.

The article said 17. He and his passenger were both high-school seniors.

uhh.. what article are you referring to?

"Jack Griffith, 41, was traveling west at a high speed on FM 2244 between West Lake Hills and Bee Cave just after 1:30 p.m. when he lost control of his car and hit an eastbound GMC pickup driven by William Jackson, 42, of Austin, DPS communications operator Analisa Guerra said. Then the car collided with an eastbound Ford pickup driven by Cutberto Segura, 29, of Austin, Guerra said."

Of course it was an extreme example. Extreme stupidity brings extreme results.

Not always. If that were the case, half the members on this board would have experienced EXTREME results. Your defense for Mike is not a solid argument. Saying that he's a talented driver and a "auto-savvvy" member on this board does not exempt him for consequences he COULD HAVE suffered from racing.

My point is, comparing this incident with something like 12 year old shouldn't handle firearms without supervision, has a HUGE gap in between. It's difficult to compare the two.

The article said 17. He and his passenger were both high-school seniors.

I was talking about the driver of the Elise. :p

This story only proves my point of view on this incident. It's not necessarily about his age (though I agree, many younger drivers don't understand the great amount of responsibility they have behind the wheel of a car). It's about the driver and how reckless the individual is. Age isn't the key point.

OK...sorry, Brian. I thought you were talking about the BMW with the two kids in it that disintegrated..the first accident, not the one with the Elise.

And the Elise, IMO, is an even dumber car to speed in excessively than a BMW....though its go-kart manuverability can get you around a lot of potential accidents, if you DO hit something in an Elise, its tiny, lightweight, tin-can structure, unlike a BMW's, offers almost no crash protection.

What Mike did in the years before I knew him, I can't comment on....and that is his buisness, not mine. I joined CL in 2003, and ever since I've known him, he has been, IMO, one of CL's best overall car-chat people.

OK...sorry, Brian. I thought you were talking about the BMW with the two kids in it that disintegrated..the first accident, not the one with the Elise.

And the Elise, IMO, is an even dumber car to speed in excessively than a BMW....though its go-kart manuverability can get you around a lot of potential accidents, if you DO hit something in an Elise, its tiny, lightweight, tin-can structure, unlike a BMW's, offers almost no crash protection.

What Mike did in the years before I knew him, I can't comment on....and that is his buisness, not mine. I joined CL in 2003, and ever since I've known him, he has been, IMO, one of CL's best overall car-chat people.

Haha it's okay. I didn't make it clear as to which article I was referring to. :rolleyes:

And I agree. The Elise is definitely a worse car to drive around recklessly in.

And I agree again! Mike is most certainly an awesome member on this board. Friendly, informative, funny, etc. What I am referring to is his "kill" stories which are definitely stories of him racing and IMO, driving recklessly. He is a very talented driver, if not one of the best at handling the GS. However, that does not exempt him from possibly accidents. That's the only point I was making. ;)

See, this type of driving isn't unusual for most 17 year olds. What the hell do the parents think when they hand these kids the keys for such fast cars...? When my daughter is old enough to drive, I'm getting her a big, heavy, slow and boring buick.

geez its almost every month now some kid totally splatters his BMW and his body on some road in america. oh well!

Some of you guys need to check your ego's at the door, you're not any better than whoever may have lost their lives in the wreck, no matter how high and mighty you make yourself out to be. I won't mention names, but you know who you are. You don't know anything about the kids, weather they were good, bad or indifferent. Quit likely, the only difference between you and them is that when you were stupid enough to go as fast as they were, you were lucky enough not to crash (or get killed) and learned from your stupid mistakes, they weren't as fortunate, that doesn't mean they "deserved" to die. Funny how you guys have all the answers and all you know is that it's a white BMW that wrecked, badly. Pathetic.

Some of you guys need to check your ego's at the door, you're not any better than whoever may have lost their lives in the wreck, no matter how high and mighty you make yourself out to be. I won't mention names, but you know who you are. You don't know anything about the kids, weather they were good, bad or indifferent. Quit likely, the only difference between you and them is that when you were stupid enough to go as fast as they were, you were lucky enough not to crash (or get killed) and learned from your stupid mistakes, they weren't as fortunate, that doesn't mean they "deserved" to die. Funny how you guys have all the answers and all you know is that it's a white BMW that wrecked, badly. Pathetic.

Thats right, I cant tell you that I personally drove quite recklessly not too long ago. And I'm sure as hell glad that my car at that time was a 4 cylinder Honda, and it took a lot of effort to go over 100mph, so I was lucky to have avoided any major accidents. Had my car at that time been my GS, things might have been different. I stopped driveing recklessly when I had a tire blowout at 85mph in my old GS. I was lucky enough to have been able to keep the car under control, otherwise I would've been ran over by the truck that was behind me. Ever since that incident I slowed down a lot, and try to stay within 10-15mph of the speed limit, and never drive over 90mph under any circumstances.

See, this type of driving isn't unusual for most 17 year olds. What the hell do the parents think when they hand these kids the keys for such fast cars...? When my daughter is old enough to drive, I'm getting her a big, heavy, slow and boring buick.

so by ur logic i should have my car confiscated.........

so by ur logic i should have my car confiscated.........

No, not at all. First of all, everyone is different, thats why I said MOST, not all teenagers. It really should be to the parents to make the right decision.

Some of you guys need to check your ego's at the door, you're not any better than whoever may have lost their lives in the wreck, no matter how high and mighty you make yourself out to be. I won't mention names, but you know who you are. You don't know anything about the kids, weather they were good, bad or indifferent. Quit likely, the only difference between you and them is that when you were stupid enough to go as fast as they were, you were lucky enough not to crash (or get killed) and learned from your stupid mistakes, they weren't as fortunate, that doesn't mean they "deserved" to die. Funny how you guys have all the answers and all you know is that it's a white BMW that wrecked, badly. Pathetic.
Excellent post:thumbup:

Unfortunate accident occured here, and my prayers go to the family.

Some of you guys need to check your ego's at the door, you're not any better than whoever may have lost their lives in the wreck, no matter how high and mighty you make yourself out to be.

Of course, no one is perfect, but stupididy, friend, is stupidity, regardless of who lived or died. This was a case of STUPIDITY, any way you look at it. period. It is a non-debatable issue. Pointing out STUPIDITY is NOT overexcercising one's ego. If that nincompoop had survived, he would have deserved to have his license revoked.
I don't want to sound rude, but if you don't understand the relationship between grossly excessive speed and wrecks like this, may I suggest a refresher course in Introduction to Driving....101?

And, out of respect for those who DO deserve some respect here....the grieving parents, friends, and loved ones, that's all I have to say on it. I'm dropping the subject.

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See, this type of driving isn't unusual for most 17 year olds. What the hell do the parents think when they hand these kids the keys for such fast cars...? When my daughter is old enough to drive, I'm getting her a big, heavy, slow and boring buick.

Not a bad idea, Och. If she's anything like I was at that age, she'll actually LIKE her Buick. :thumbup: :D


But, having said that, I also grew up in an age of 400 HP-plus muscle-cars, and of course I liked THEM as much as I did big, soft-riding Buicks. And, yes, of course, I drove a number of them. But the idea that at age 17, you're automatically going to drive like an idiot is nonsense. I drove big-block Ford, GM, and Mopar muscle cars, and, yes, punched the gas pedal a few times........but I never drove like an idiot, even with high-powered cars like that. I knew better....I had respect for the ability of a car to kill.....and so did most of my close friends. I wouldn't hang out with people whose driving I didn't trust.

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If that nincompoop had survived, he would have deserved to have his license revoked.
Call him whatever you want, fact is he died, and it is a tragedy. Better than deserving death onto someone because of their driving habits. :sad:
I'm dropping the subject.
Sounds like a plan!
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I completely agree! :thumbdn:

Of course, no one is perfect, but stupididy, friend, is stupidity, regardless of who lived or died. This was a case of STUPIDITY, any way you look at it. period. It is a non-debatable issue. Pointing out STUPIDITY is NOT overexcercising one's ego. If that nincompoop had survived, he would have deserved to have his license revoked.
I don't want to sound rude, but if you don't understand the relationship between grossly excessive speed and wrecks like this, may I suggest a refresher course in Introduction to Driving....101?

And, out of respect for those who DO deserve some respect here....the grieving parents, friends, and loved ones, that's all I have to say on it. I'm dropping the subject.

Stupidity is stupidity, genius is genius, everything is what it is... I don't see your point though. Some of the posts here are more or less saying they deserved to die, that is without a doubt a very ignorant point of view, considering you know NOTHING about them. You being a car guy, I have no doubt that you have went at a rate of speed high enough to cause a very severe accident, the difference here is that they were unlucky, you were not. You're not any better than they are just becuase you lived and they died. Yes, you're correct, they were stupid, as are/were the rest of us at one point in our lives. That doesn't mean they were going to live out the rest of their lives being stupid, had they lived.

Kicking someone while they're down several times and then walking away, is just that, walking way. It is not a sign of respect. I don't think your last paragraph is fooling anyone.

Of course, no one is perfect, but stupididy, friend, is stupidity, regardless of who lived or died. This was a case of STUPIDITY, any way you look at it. period. It is a non-debatable issue. Pointing out STUPIDITY is NOT overexcercising one's ego.
No, perhaps hypocrisy would be a better word.

Based on your later post you are fortunate to never have put yourself in a situation where something bad could have happened while you were young and driving. I bet many people in "enthusiast" forums have though. I know I did and lived and learned from it.

If they were driving a McLaren F1 they *might* have a chance.... to not get dead. A specially reinforced uniframe honeycomb sandwiched monocoque body frame will keep the driver/passengers as safe as possible. The car also weighs under 2500 lbs so the impact will also be less than using a car that weighs 3500 lbs. That is based on my opinion though..

To bad they were on a BMW.. BMW doesn't mean all that.

and I do feel sorry for their parents.

Could be a E92 335i coupe, non sport. There's a chunk of metal that looks like the coupe rear right quarter panel.

I think it was lowered too. :p

About whether they 'deserved it', etc. Most if not all of us have done STUPID things at one time or another. Something bad COULD have happened any of those times but hopefully or thankfully it didn't. Next time we may not be so lucky. This drive did something STUPID and wasn't lucky. It's terrible that he and his passenger(s) died. Did they deserve it? Yes, they were doing something stupid. Should we feel bad that it happened? YES because it's still a tragedy, not only for them but their family members, many of whom will be guilt ridden and saddened for possibly the rest of their lives.

About whether they should have been driving a fast car - give me a break. Just about every car on the road can go 100mph or more and actually a cheaper car is LESS safe at speed due to wimpier tires, flimsy suspensions, weak brakes, fewer airbakes, no stability control, etc. So it's possibly to kill oneself in just about any vehicle on the road, and probably EASIER in a less sophisticated vehicle. And today's 'average sedan' is a rocket compared to 20 yrs ago, so let's not start pointing fingers at parents either.

Only he who is without sin should cast the first stone.

If they were driving a McLaren F1 they *might* have a chance.... to not get dead. A specially reinforced uniframe honeycomb sandwiched monocoque body frame will keep the driver/passengers as safe as possible. The car also weighs under 2500 lbs so the impact will also be less than using a car that weighs 3500 lbs. That is based on my opinion though..

To bad they were on a BMW.. BMW doesn't mean all that.

and I do feel sorry for their parents.

*Plot twist.

They weren't wearing their seatbelts and they were ejected out of the car upon impact.

Doesn't matter what reinforced uniframe honeycomb sandwiched monocoque cinnamon toast crunch body frame... they would have still flown out the windshield.

Actually, the article doesn't say whether they were wearing their seatbelts or not. But they WERE ejected out of the car so I still stand by what I said in my previous post. :cool:

car disintegrated, so everythings ejected wearing a belt or not doubt a belt wouldve saved them if the wreckage is like that

this actually happened pretty close to my house....second crash of this sort in the last 2 months. The other one, also in deer park, involved 2 teens racing and one of them losing control and swerving across 3 lanes of traffic and hitting a tree on the opposite side of the road in a G35. He was racing an '06 Vette.

Please show some compassion! To many people are passing judgement on these poor kids. No amount of stupidity deserves death! May they RIP.

Please show some compassion! To many people are passing judgement on these poor kids. No amount of stupidity deserves death! May they RIP.

+1

That's exactly how I feel too.

RIP.

Did they deserve it? Yes, they were doing something stupid.

In that case, congress should pass a law that says, doing anything stupid is punishable by death. That way, everyone gets what they deserve.

Can't we just say "Wow, those kids were unfortunate."

Instead of "Those kids were retards. They deserved their death."

I'm sure the majority of drivers have done at least one crazy thing in their cars before, and they were lucky enough to survive.

Anything could happen at any given time out on the roads.

But if all people who do, or have done foolish life-endangering acts in their lives deserve an equally deadly punishment, I bet a good chunk of this forum...no world, would be gone.

In that case, congress should pass a law that says, doing anything stupid is punishable by death. That way, everyone gets what they deserve.

Thanks for taking that tiny quote out of my larger post where I explained I did feel sorry for what happened. :rolleyes:

And no, I don't think the government needs to punish people for being stupid, because if they passed that law the government itself should instantly self-destruct. :egads:

Everyone SHOULD get what they deserve in life (good and bad) based on their own choices and decisions but our government is all too keen to 'help' save us from ourselves with so many awful unintended consequences but that's a whole other discussion.

But again, in my earlier post I tried to say none of us are 'better' than these poor kids because we've all done dumb things, but we were lucky enough not to get killed. :sad:

damn that is one messed up car

Thanks for taking that tiny quote out of my larger post where I explained I did feel sorry for what happened. :rolleyes:

And no, I don't think the government needs to punish people for being stupid, because if they passed that law the government itself should instantly self-destruct. :egads:

Everyone SHOULD get what they deserve in life (good and bad) based on their own choices and decisions but our government is all too keen to 'help' save us from ourselves with so many awful unintended consequences but that's a whole other discussion.

But again, in my earlier post I tried to say none of us are 'better' than these poor kids because we've all done dumb things, but we were lucky enough not to get killed. :sad:

+1 :thumbup:

What's wrong with getting one's comeuppance? We should all get what we deserve, whether good or bad.

damn that is one messed up car

the post to end all posts in this thread :D

I keep telling people that BMW's aren't that reliable and just fall apart.

I am ashamed that I LOL'd.

But hey the passenger could have said slow down!!!

I feel bad for the parents. :(

Thats amazing..I'm in awe.

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-lifata0427,0,2767626.story?coll=ny-main-bigpix


http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2007-04/29378664.jpg

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the whole front axle DETACHED with the car?! :eek2:

and the speedometer/tech is right in front of the wheel? :eek1: