I can't think of any good reasons to put a V6 into a Corolla.
Maybe a turbo or larger displacement I4, but V6 is not really necessary for the Corolla.

If the Corolla gets pricey, you might as well get a Camry...

I read that their new 4 cylinder engine is flexible enough to range from 1.8-3.0 Litres, so I would imagine that they can extract as much power as they want from that.

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Is Toyota planning a V6 Auris/Corolla ?

Posted on Wednesday 23 May 2007


Could the new Corolla really get a V6 powerplant? According to one of its developers, the engine bay can fit anything from a 1.4L four-banger to a 3.5L V6. Toyota technician Soichiro Okudaira, who spoke with AutoTelegraaf.nl, revealed that execs are seriously considering launching a V6 powered Corolla with AWD but are yet to reach a final decision. AWD versions of the Corolla are already sold in Japan, in a vehicle labeled the Toyota Blade, and this is most likely the system that will feature in cars sold in other markets.

According to Okudaira, the reinforced rear wheel architecture needed to incorporate an AWD system has already been developed and will likely feature in a high-output diesel version for Europe.

The V6 version, which will run on gasoline, is most likely intended for the American market, and if given the go-ahead, will make its debut during the US-launch of the Corolla later this year. http://autotelegraaf.nl/vanonzeredactie/?id=43716, via motorauthority
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Cool... if its a limited edition WRX type of vehicle. :thumbup: Would be a new approach on the little pocket rocket type of cars we already have here. But I doubt it would happen.

I can't think of any good reasons to put a V6 into a Corolla.

I can't think of any good reasons to put a V6 into a Corolla.


Ditto. Why do we need a V6 Corolla again? :uh:

Wouldn't a turbo 4 be lighter or is the 3.5 litre (which is a huge engine) really that light?

also, if it can fit a 3.5 litre V6, then there's a lot of wasted space on the standard Corolla with the 1.8 litre and the hood must be freakin huge.

I think a Corolla AWD sports car would compete too much with the STI/WRX.

Why not? If the Audi can fit anything from a 1.8L to a 4.2L V8 into an A4, I don't see anything impossible.

Why not? If the Audi can fit anything from a 1.8L to a 4.2L V8 into an A4, I don't see anything impossible.
However, the purpose and function of Audi's A4 & its derivatives are far delineated from the purpose and function of Toyota's Corolla.

Toyota making an V6 AWD little car, bring it on

Yes, bring it on. I'd rather drive a V6 Corolla than a V6 Camry. I'd drive a hybrid Camry over a V6 Corolla, though.

I think a Corolla AWD sports car would compete too much with the STI/WRX.

where esle would/should it compete?

The regular corolla competes with the lancer & imprezza. If toyota can give us a competitor for circa $25k then that would be a good thing..........right?

Ditto. Why do we need a V6 Corolla again? :uh:

Wouldn't a turbo 4 be lighter or is the 3.5 litre (which is a huge engine) really that light?

also, if it can fit a 3.5 litre V6, then there's a lot of wasted space on the standard Corolla with the 1.8 litre and the hood must be freakin huge.


Perhaps beacuse sticking the 3.5 v6 that they already have and use in pretty much every vehicle they produce would be cheaper than developing a new 2.0 turbo I4?

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see a new Turbo I4 from toyota, but I'd be very surprised (albeit pleasantly) if it happened (at least as a factory effort).

The 3.5 is lighter, more fuel efficient and probably has better emissions than the 2.0 3SGTE...

p.s. is the 2GR really THAT huge? I mean physically, because it is pretty light.

Perhaps beacuse sticking the 3.5 v6 that they already have and use in pretty much every vehicle they produce would be cheaper than developing a new 2.0 turbo I4?

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see a new Turbo I4 from toyota, but I'd be very surprised (albeit pleasantly) if it happened (at least as a factory effort).

The 3.5 is lighter, more fuel efficient and probably has better emissions than the 2.0 3SGTE...

p.s. is the 2GR really THAT huge? I mean physically, because it is pretty light.

I know it's "light" especially compared to the 1MZ and 3MZ engines but if the engine cover is any indication, it looks huge. Just check under the hood of the ES, RX, Camry, Avalon or Sienna.

where esle would/should it compete?

The regular corolla competes with the lancer & imprezza. If toyota can give us a competitor for circa $25k then that would be a good thing..........right?

Toyota has the highest shares in Subaru. I don't think they'd want to step on eachothers toes. I mean don't get me wrong, it'd be awesome for Toyota to do it but I'm doubtful that they'll compete with Subaru.
If they want to compete in that segment they should bring a coupe variant. All-Trac Celica. :thumbup:

Toyota has the highest shares in Subaru. I don't think they'd want to step on eachothers toes. I mean don't get me wrong, it'd be awesome for Toyota to do it but I'm doubtful that they'll compete with Subaru.
If they want to compete in that segment they should bring a coupe variant. All-Trac Celica. :thumbup:


that i'd love to see and have been waiting for since they stopped the GT-4 in 99.

But guess what? Toyota only owns ~8.7% of subaru. I doubt they give a .... u know what. Besides, their products already clash

I'm really hoping for a new All-Trac.

if they would put a v6 in a corolla it would probably be the 4GR-FSE (the 2.5 liter from the IS 250)

that i'd love to see and have been waiting for since they stopped the GT-4 in 99.

But guess what? Toyota only owns ~8.7% of subaru. I doubt they give a .... u know what. Besides, their products already clash

Well, I know it's a small percentage but they're trying to work together on technologies. Subaru is kinda a niche market being an AWD lineup. So yea, the Impreza is in the same small sedan market as the Corolla but they are vastly different because of the AWD factor.
I'm not holding my breath though.

if they would put a v6 in a corolla it would probably be the 4GR-FSE (the 2.5 liter from the IS 250)

It would probably be? Or your opinion is that the 2.5 makes more sense?

If they find some logical reason to put a V6 in the Corolla, then the 2.5 does make more sense than the 3.5. But in the end, people buy the Corolla because of price point and economy. Not for its [non-existent] sporting tendencies. Can you imagine a nose-heavy car with a Toyota-pillow-soft suspension? Can you say understeer? Yeah, that'd be fun to drive.

It would probably be? Or your opinion is that the 2.5 makes more sense?

If they find some logical reason to put a V6 in the Corolla, then the 2.5 does make more sense than the 3.5. But in the end, people buy the Corolla because of price point and economy. Not for its [non-existent] sporting tendencies. Can you imagine a nose-heavy car with a Toyota-pillow-soft suspension? Can you say understeer? Yeah, that'd be fun to drive.

1. Stuffing big engines in small cars has been happening for decades
2. Some people might just want a faster car, not one that handles better
3. No one knows what a base new Corolla drives like, yet alone this new one.


Funny but the Corolla may have the same size engine as Honda's top of the line sedan, a 3.5 liter V_6. That is LAUGHABLE.

1. Stuffing big engines in small cars has been happening for decades
Name a few for me. edit: and I'm not referring to one-off project cars, or small sports cars.

Funny but the Corolla may have the same size engine as Honda's top of the line sedan, a 3.5 liter V_6. That is LAUGHABLE.
Laughable in the sense that it's just wasteful overkill? I agree.

Name a few for me. edit: and I'm not referring to one-off project cars, or small sports cars.


Laughable in the sense that it's just wasteful overkill? I agree.
Back in the 1950s, Mr. Delorean put huge V-8s in smaller cars.
AUdi, BMW, Lexus, Benz all put V-8s in their compact entry level cars.
Mazdaspeed 3 has the engine from the 6
BMW 135 has the I-6 from the 3 series

There are tons of others I fail to mention of the top of my head. Some people are interested in a nice bigger engine with some torque and power at low RPM.

What you see as overkill, many see as a nice abundance of power. Some people don't want to rev their cars to 8,000 RPM to get 100lbs of torque.

I guess that's not what I was after. I was thinking small cars, like the Civic, Corolla, Mazda3, Kia, Hyundai, etc. Entry level, economy cars. None of them (that I can think of) uses a big engine in any of their offerings, because of weight, size, and loss of economy.

And when I say big engine, I mean large/heavy. With a softly sprung, light-ish car (well, any car for this matter), the last thing you want is a big, heavy engine sitting out in front of the the front axle. It just compounds bad handling characteristics that are already inherent in FWD designs.

I guess that's not what I was after. I was thinking small cars, like the Civic, Corolla, Mazda3, Kia, Hyundai, etc. Entry level, economy cars. None of them (that I can think of) uses a big engine in any of their offerings, because of weight, size, and loss of economy.

And when I say big engine, I mean large/heavy. With a softly sprung, light-ish car (well, any car for this matter), the last thing you want is a big, heavy engine sitting out in front of the the front axle. It just compounds bad handling characteristics that are already inherent in FWD designs.


Ok....so Toyota will just take this V6 (which the chassis was already designed to accommodate) and plop it in without any other modifications? I fail to see your reasoning.

People, 1) This is a rumor
2) If they do it, it will be to avoid the expense of developing a new engine
3) Honda has a hi-po civic, mitsubishi- the lancer evo, subaru- imprezza wrx, mazda-mazda speed 3.

Everyone B**tches and moans about the boring corolla, then some glimmer of hope for the Enthusiast who probably remembers the Corolla and Celica All-Trac and then everybody changes gear...... WTF?!?!?! you just can't please everybody can you?

And another thing, the 2GR is probably lighter than the last gen aluminum V6s, which were lighter than the old iron block I4s. Put that into a relatively light chassis, and even with awd you will still see decent economy. Not 40 mpg, but probably better than what the V6 camry sees. Furthermore, I highly doubt that this will be a main stream model, so the dude looking for "appliance transport jr." will not buy this model.

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Ok....so Toyota will just take this V6 (which the chassis was already designed to accommodate) and plop it in without any other modifications? I fail to see your reasoning.

No modification will change the fact that you have all that extra weight out in front of the front axle.

No modification will change the fact that you have all that extra weight out in front of the front axle.

Tell that to Audi :thumbup:

Tell that to Audi :thumbup:

They already know. :p

I guess that's not what I was after. I was thinking small cars, like the Civic, Corolla, Mazda3, Kia, Hyundai, etc. Entry level, economy cars. None of them (that I can think of) uses a big engine in any of their offerings, because of weight, size, and loss of economy.

And when I say big engine, I mean large/heavy. With a softly sprung, light-ish car (well, any car for this matter), the last thing you want is a big, heavy engine sitting out in front of the the front axle. It just compounds bad handling characteristics that are already inherent in FWD designs.

Isn't a 2.4 litre in a tC big for a small car?

or 2.3 litres in a Mazda3?

Or that 2.5 litre in the Sentra SE-R?

I don't know but those are pretty big engines (and big 4 cylinders too). Hell, the Sentra has a bigger engine than our 02 Camry!

Aren't compact cars "supposed" to have 1.6-1.8 litres? (and remember the Corolla had a 1.3 litre engine in the mid 90s although it wasn't offered here)

No modification will change the fact that you have all that extra weight out in front of the front axle.

A bit of a narrow viewpoint. A rearward-biased AWD system, as mentioned in the article, can certainly counteract the weight that a V6 would place on the front axle.

Bigger engine and heavier weight = less gas mileage.

That's not a good idea for the Corolla...

Bigger engine and heavier weight = less gas mileage.

That's not a good idea for the Corolla...

Assuming it does happen, it will NOT be the MAINSTREAM Corolla......

I guess that's not what I was after. I was thinking small cars, like the Civic, Corolla, Mazda3, Kia, Hyundai, etc. Entry level, economy cars. None of them (that I can think of) uses a big engine in any of their offerings, because of weight, size, and loss of economy.

And when I say big engine, I mean large/heavy. With a softly sprung, light-ish car (well, any car for this matter), the last thing you want is a big, heavy engine sitting out in front of the the front axle. It just compounds bad handling characteristics that are already inherent in FWD designs.

you do realize that in Japan and Europe, hot hatches have almost godly status? Golf R32, 147 V6, Megane F1, etc, etc.

Softly sprung? Why would it be softly sprung?

People buy small cars in Europe and Japan because thats something they can park easily, not because they are cheap, and there are new "Corolla's" with smart entry, leather covered dashes, navi w/ hdd, xenons, power seats, etc, etc, things that were not available in Lexus's 2 years ago.

so yes, it requires thinking out of the box, as not every market is same as US.

Its because FF is a Toyota-hater :)

None of the logic here makes sense; if it were an option; it'd be some hopped-up version... including suspension, tires, and a few other things. It would be at a premium and at a much lesser availability than a standard econobox Corolla. Who CARES what you think about the motor being in the spirit of the car? The same ignorant BILE was spouted by idiotic car critics back in the muscle car era when GM decided to just throw a BIG engine inside the LaMans/GTO. Well guess what? It was a pretty popular car :)

Complaining about the extra weight over the front? No one has pointed out that an extra 70lb differential in the rear of a AWD car would most certainly help out. The 2GR isn't THAT heavy guys. Its lighter than the last gen aluminum V6; and would still be A LOT lighter than the Camry.

What's up with the emo status that has come to all of you? You LITERALLY complain about EVERYTHING that Toyota does and keep saying its stupid; but they keep on truckin, breakin records and making money. I think they know what they're doing.

It is not like Toyota to throw in a more powerful engine and not upgrade suspension anyways, so if Toyota makes a V6 powered Corolla we will see it with a suspension to match it.

There's a completely chrome Auris at the Toyota dealer in Paris. I saw it last week, it was pretty amazing. I have the pics but haven't uploaded them yet.

Its because FF is a Toyota-hater :)

None of the logic here makes sense; if it were an option; it'd be some hopped-up version... including suspension, tires, and a few other things. It would be at a premium and at a much lesser availability than a standard econobox Corolla. Who CARES what you think about the motor being in the spirit of the car? The same ignorant BILE was spouted by idiotic car critics back in the muscle car era when GM decided to just throw a BIG engine inside the LaMans/GTO. Well guess what? It was a pretty popular car :)

Complaining about the extra weight over the front? No one has pointed out that an extra 70lb differential in the rear of a AWD car would most certainly help out. The 2GR isn't THAT heavy guys. Its lighter than the last gen aluminum V6; and would still be A LOT lighter than the Camry.

What's up with the emo status that has come to all of you? You LITERALLY complain about EVERYTHING that Toyota does and keep saying its stupid; but they keep on truckin, breakin records and making money. I think they know what they're doing.

Thank you, my point exactly

Isn't a 2.4 litre in a tC big for a small car?

or 2.3 litres in a Mazda3?

Or that 2.5 litre in the Sentra SE-R?
Those may be large in terms of displacement, but not necessarily weight. The problem with V6's, is that you now have twice as many heads, cam shafts, and you have more pistons, heavier block, more connecting rods, more valves (presumably), more intake, more exhaust, bearings, etc etc, and on and on. It's also not as compact as an inline 4, which results in more engine out in front of that front axle.

Softly sprung? Why would it be softly sprung?
Because it's a Toyota.

None of the logic here makes sense; if it were an option; it'd be some hopped-up version...
You don't know that. When's the last time Toyota came out with a hopped up version of anything?

Complaining about the extra weight over the front? No one has pointed out that an extra 70lb differential in the rear of a AWD car would most certainly help out.
That's not going to help the pendulum effect of having all that engine sitting in front of the front axle. Audi uses AWD, but still suffers from excessive weight in the front end.

What's up with the emo status that has come to all of you? You LITERALLY complain about EVERYTHING that Toyota does and keep saying its stupid; but they keep on truckin, breakin records and making money. I think they know what they're doing.
Complaining? We're debating the merits of putting a big engine in the front of a compact economy car. If all we did was agree and tout the many wonders of Toyota, it'd be an awfully boring forum to visit. :)

Those may be large in terms of displacement, but not necessarily weight. The problem with V6's, is that you now have twice as many heads, cam shafts, and you have more pistons, heavier block, more connecting rods, more valves (presumably), more intake, more exhaust, bearings, etc etc, and on and on. It's also not as compact as an inline 4, which results in more engine out in front of that front axle.

Hmm? So a 2.5 litre V6 is heavier than a 2.5 litre I4? Smaller cylinders in the V6 don't counterbalance the extra two cylinders?

twice as many camshafts? I thought they're all DOHCs? so wouldn't it just be extended to cover the 2 extra cylinders?


Compact? Depends how you align it I suppose but in terms of length, I'm sure a V6 is shorter than an I4 because you have 3 cylinders on each bank as opposed to 4 cylinders in a row. In terms of width, yeah the V6 is wider than the I4.

Hmm? So a 2.5 litre V6 is heavier than a 2.5 litre I4?
Design and materials used being equal, yes, the V6 should be noticeably heavier.

Smaller cylinders in the V6 don't counterbalance the extra two cylinders?
Cylinders don't weigh anything. It's just a hole in the engine block. Depending on the bore and stroke used, the pistons and connecting rods might be bigger, or smaller. But having 2 extra pistons and 2 extra connecting rods and 2 extra sets of bearings and extra crankshaft counterweights is going to more than tip the weight scale on the side of the V6 (i.e. heavier).

twice as many camshafts? I thought they're all DOHCs? so wouldn't it just be extended to cover the 2 extra cylinders?
DOHC means 2 cams per cylinder bank. V6 has 2 cylinder banks, so it has twice as many heads and cams.


Compact? Depends how you align it I suppose but in terms of length, I'm sure a V6 is shorter than an I4 because you have 3 cylinders on each bank as opposed to 4 cylinders in a row. In terms of width, yeah the V6 is wider than the I4.
Basic design being similar, the V6 should be shorter, correct. But much, much wider. This is bad in a FWD car because now you have even more engine hanging out in front of the front axle, and it's hanging further forward too. The pendulum effect is made worse, and this is bad for handling. "hello, understeer!"

Why all the FWD bashing when the article quotes that the V6 version will come standard with AWD?:uh:

Why all the FWD bashing when the article quotes that the V6 version will come standard with AWD?:uh:

AWD is still going to be a FWD layout.

AWD is still going to be a FWD layout.Who knows if Toyota won't pull an Audi, who has no problem turning a FWD A4 into a rear-biased beast aka the RS4?;)

I don't think Toyota would ever make a V6 Corolla (at least for production). I think the main thing that would kill this would be price. It would probably cost too much and at that price point, most people would rather just have a Camry. Heck, in a way Toyota already tried this by releasing the XRS model with the VVTi Celica motor and that didn't even sell.

If anything, I say they bring the Corona stateside.

Design and materials used being equal, yes, the V6 should be noticeably heavier.


Cylinders don't weigh anything. It's just a hole in the engine block. Depending on the bore and stroke used, the pistons and connecting rods might be bigger, or smaller. But having 2 extra pistons and 2 extra connecting rods and 2 extra sets of bearings and extra crankshaft counterweights is going to more than tip the weight scale on the side of the V6 (i.e. heavier).


DOHC means 2 cams per cylinder bank. V6 has 2 cylinder banks, so it has twice as many heads and cams.



Basic design being similar, the V6 should be shorter, correct. But much, much wider. This is bad in a FWD car because now you have even more engine hanging out in front of the front axle, and it's hanging further forward too. The pendulum effect is made worse, and this is bad for handling. "hello, understeer!"

I see...

But that's assuming the engine is ahead of the axle. Most have it over the axle or even behind it. Granted, it's a Corolla and given the way Toyota has designed their compacts, it probably will be ahead of the front axle.

AWD is still going to be a FWD layout.

Like the RS4, Evo etc..........

Whatever. Keep wishing that this doesnt come out, and if it does, keep wishing that they just stuff the big engine in there and do nothing else. :thumbup:

There are people that will buy it. There are people that will simply look at straight line performance numbers and buy. Considering the Camry V6 now is already a mid 14 second car (assuming the Corolla has the same engine), a 268 HP Corolla AWD would more than likely be a 13 second car.

I agree that this will not be the regular Corolla, but rather the highest end Corolla. Safe bet that there will be suspension upgrades, brakes, etc, but there is a market for it. Might just not be a big one. Not everyone cares about balance and handling and instead, just go for the 0-60 and 1/4 mile numbers.

As for the Corolla XRS, I think an auto tranny option might have gone a long way for the mainstream.

As for the Corolla XRS, I think an auto tranny option might have gone a long way for the mainstream.

True. They did have an auto option for the 03 Matrix XRS.

however, I think Toyota wanted to appeal to the enthusiasts and by not offering an automatic, the potential buyers can ensure that "posers" won't be cruising around in it and rather stick with the Corolla S.