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Old Jun 22, 2007 | 08:47 AM
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Toyota Takes Aim at Bad Dealers

Program to fix “horrendous” dealer process.
by Paul A. Eisenstein (2007-06-22)



When a power window motor on Robert Glenn's Camry went bad, the suburban Los Angeles writer expected to spend a couple hundred dollars on repairs, but when he called the dealer he'd been using for 20 years, the price came in at twice that amount. Frustrated, Glenn called another dealer, closer to his office, who said he'd do the work for half price. So Glenn switched shops asking his new dealer to do an oil change, too.

The next day, however, the bill came to…$400. Instead of a regular, $30 oil change, Glenn was charged $168 in labor alone for a "power oil flush." Now, clearly angry, the father of two called Toyota's factory representative, who admitted there's no such thing as a power oil flush, but who declined to push the dealer for a refund.

After owning six Camry sedans over the last two decades, Glenn is suddenly getting interested in the new Honda Accord coming out this autumn, and he's not alone. While Toyota has some of the highest loyalty rates in the U.S. auto market, according to industry statistics, data also reveal a growing frustration with the automaker's sales and service process, a trend that could lead to a loss of the long-time Toyota customers the company needs to maintain the fast-paced growth it's experiencing in the U.S. market.

As a result, Toyota is readying an expansive plan to dramatically improve the entire "experience" of buying, owning and maintaining one of the company's products, TheCarConnection.com has learned.

"It's a movement, not a program," explained Jack Hollis, the corporate manager with Toyota's U.S. sales subsidiary who was put in charge of developing EM2, or Everything Matters Exponentially. "The company is trying to address the entire sales and service experience (because) if we really want to keep growing, we have to do it by increasing customer loyalty."

The program or, if you prefer, movement, comes at a critical time. Toyota is undergoing phenomenal growth all over the world, but no market is more important than the affluent U.S., where the company is now routinely nudging ahead of Detroit's number two maker, Ford.

But even as the sales number climb, there are problems that could backfire on the company, starting with a variety of well-publicized recalls that resulted in more cars being called back for service last year than Toyota sold in the States. And another recall, this time of the important, new Tundra pickup, is looming, due to a defective V-8. Tellingly, the automaker tumbled in the latest J.D. Power Initial Quality Survey, released earlier this month, slipping behind Honda, now the mainstream brand with the lowest level of "problems" right out of the plant.

Perhaps more significant, Toyota has slipped not only in these "things-gone-wrong" surveys, but also in studies measuring "things-gone-right," the things a maker can do to surprise and delight a customer. In the latest Vehicle Satisfaction Awards, from the California research firm, AutoPacific Inc., which measures things both wrong and right, didn't even measure up to industry average, falling behind not only TGW leaders like Honda and Cadillac, but brands such as Volkswagen, Land Rover and Hummer, which have traditionally suffered from weak quality.

"Their sales and service are the pits, absolutely horrendous" echoes CNW's Art Spinella, who conducted an extensive survey of U.S. auto buyers, for the Japanese business magazine, Diamond Weekly. That poll placed Toyota fifth in customer satisfaction, behind not only Honda and Nissan, but also BMW and General Motors.

Though Toyota officials downplay the series of recent poll results, they readily acknowledge they've got work to do. "I would argue that we're not doing well," contended Hollis, losing as many as four out of ten existing customers to competitive brands. In the past, conquests, or first-time buyers, have fueled Toyota's steady growth, but long-term, those numbers will slow and the automaker needs to make sure it keeps those customers it has, Toyota believes.

And that's where EM2 comes in. By "holding up a mirror," Hollis told TheCarConnection that a team of "all starts," from each of Toyota's corporate departments, has been looking at every aspect of the customer experience, including the basic sales process, service and the way both customers and dealers interact with the factory. Dealers have also been asked to look at their processes to see what works and what doesn't.

Several steps have already been outlined. For one thing, a sizable number of corporate employees will be shifted from Toyota headquarters, in suburban Los Angeles, out into the field, where they'll be closer to the customer, and given more leeway to resolve problems, such as L.A. writer Glenn faced.

The 13 dealers on Toyota's regional and national dealer councils have weighed in with a list of suggestions. Hollis declined to discuss specifics, but it appears the company will use a carrot-and-stick approach, using financial and other rewards to encourage the best behavior, while discouraging the sort of heavy-handed sales and service tactics studies show consumers hate.

Company representatives spent hours studying the minutiae of operations at an Atlanta showroom operated by the mega-retailer, Group One Automotive. "Normally, we wouldn't let them do it," acknowledged Group One CEO Earl Hesterberg, but he agreed with the factory's contention that "their customer satisfaction scores are commensurate with the quality of their vehicles."

Hesterberg has mixed feelings about the changes proposed under EM2, cautioning that dealers alone aren't the problem, and that they alone can't fix things. "It's a high-pressure dealer network,." The former Ford executive emphasized, and Toyota itself will have to accept that a more friendly sales process may not win as many conquest customers.

Corporate officials say they're aware of the trade-offs. There "won't be any magical answers," Hollis acknowledged, but as EM2 rolls out, over the coming years, he said Toyota is hoping that it will achieve "a whole new customer experience level" that will pay off in the long-run.
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Old Jun 22, 2007 | 08:52 AM
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i hope it works out. definitely need to maintain dealership quality. although toyota and lexus are growing in a lot of aspect, but i think dealership service is something that hasn't been growing in the same rate
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Old Jun 22, 2007 | 09:42 AM
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Interesting how lexus can have excellent service while toyota is just horrendous

One of the main reasons to buy an ES vs. an Avalon

And when a customer reports to corporate, they should help out rather than brush it off and reply, "It's individually owned".
That applies to lexus too.
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Old Jun 22, 2007 | 09:56 AM
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The Toyota dealerships I've been too are quite conceited and snooty. The salesman are unprofessional, pushy, and act like they are giving you God's gift by selling you a Toyota. I had been contemplating getting a truck (Tacoma vs. Frontier), but my stomach turns every time I step on a Toyota lot.
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Old Jun 22, 2007 | 11:36 AM
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But even as the sales number climb, there are problems that could backfire on the company, starting with a variety of well-publicized recalls that resulted in more cars being called back for service last year than Toyota sold in the States. And another recall, this time of the important, new Tundra pickup, is looming, due to a defective V-8. Tellingly, the automaker tumbled in the latest J.D. Power Initial Quality Survey, released earlier this month, slipping behind Honda, now the mainstream brand with the lowest level of "problems" right out of the plant.
That is just a brutal statistic. I'm north of LA and AFIK, the Toyota dealer here has an excellent reputation (DCH)

This "movement" is certainly a step in the right direction. Getting the corporate folks out into the field should go a long way in shaping things up.
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Old Jun 22, 2007 | 12:27 PM
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Interesting, here on oahu we only have Sevco toyota/lexus and ive never had problems with their parts dept. *never used service dept cuz it is a stealership after all* The guys in parts are alwasy helpful in actually pushing me to go aftermarket rather than pay for a genuine toyota part that costs alot of $$$. This is one of the reasons i am a loyal toyota customer, course i am a shade tree mechanic and the questions i ask make it obvious, maybe if i was the mechanicly clueless type i might have a different experiance...
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Old Jun 22, 2007 | 12:43 PM
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Talk abou it, I just went to Toyota last night trying to buy a Scion xB, but the sales was really rude even when I am paying cash for it and there is no negoiating anyway, I was so pissed and got up and left.
Sorry Toyota, you didn't get my business..
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Old Jun 22, 2007 | 01:13 PM
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In Mexico, Toyota ranked 2nd behind Honda in terms of a service in a survey I saw. In fact, Honda is the one they look at directly in terms of a rival, since Honda was here for several years before Toyota opened its dealer doors in early 2002), just after I got down here. I know several of their mechanics at certain dealers here, and friends and family who have bought Toyota here have nothing but positives and rarely do they have a complaint, and usually it is an isolated issue with a single person.
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Old Jun 22, 2007 | 04:45 PM
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Mother in-law recently had her Corolla in for 75K service. They told her
1. Serpentine belt was cracked
2. Oil leaking from timing chain cover
3. Needed brake fluid flush
4. and one other thing that I can't remember.

Fortunately I'm friends with the service manager who admitted (what I already know)
1. A serpentine belt that appears cracked on the outside does not mean it is in need of replacement
2. Most Corollas develop a small oil leak on the timing chain cover - not even enough to drip on the garage floor
3. Toyota only recommends brake flushes on ABS equipped cars - and she does not have ABS

He said 1 & 2 could be corrected at the 90K when we change the timing belt/chain.

In short...
Let's remember folks, everyone wants to buy their car at cost and the dealer is not in this for the good of mankind. So they need to make their $ somewhere.....
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Old Jun 22, 2007 | 04:46 PM
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Some of it too is consumers. They need to read. Everyone says how dealers in general screw you. So why go in and not know ANYTHING about cars or service??

Google is your friend.
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Old Jun 22, 2007 | 04:50 PM
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What's worse down here is what I like to call the car-wash service. A few friends of mine were suspicious of two American manufacturer dealers who they took their vehicles to for an oil change and felt afterwards that nothing had changed except for a clean car. After taking a look at the oil with my Uncle Antonio, we knew no oil had been change. Next time we placed a mark on both oil filters and sure enough no oil changes and oil was still old. Both of them now to take their vehicle's to my uncle's place, where we invite them to watch while we do the work.
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anyone know where I can get new muffler bearings for my GS400??
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Originally Posted by Coco-bun
anyone know where I can get new muffler bearings for my GS400??
yea, but the place only has Prestone anti-freeze, not the Quaker State....
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Old Jun 22, 2007 | 08:47 PM
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I think this should apply to Lexus service departments as well. Some are known to lure in with a basic service and then handed a bill that is at least twice what they first agreed to.

On a different but related note, there is a Lexus dealership service dept. local to me (one I will not name, but has been mentioned in our SoCal section often) that overcharges for the same basic maintenance other dealerships only charge less than half for. The excuse is, they're the only one in our area so they can charge whatever they want, but there are 4 other Lexus dealers in my 50 mile radius i'd rather drive to for service.
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Old Jun 22, 2007 | 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
Some of it too is consumers. They need to read. Everyone says how dealers in general screw you. So why go in and not know ANYTHING about cars or service??
LOL that is so funny... *snicker*
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