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from autospies.

The whole thing looks Scion tC-ish...

I really just hope all of these reports of 110 or 120 hp are wrong. And a weak rear differential? So where is the modding potential going to be in this car? Come on.

I really feel like the thing needs to have at least 150hp, and if that's a problem I have to imagine it'd be more cost effective to crank out a few extra 2AZ-FE's than to create an all new engine and tool up a factory for it. 150HP in a light RWD coupe is adequate and should be enough to make things spirited depending on the weight. 110 hp...is NOT. This isn't a freakin Tercel.

**** it. drop a 3s-gte and be done with it.

I'm hearing its based off a shortened LEgacy platform, boxer I-4 and of course RWD.

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Wonder if Toyota actually has any interest in buying Subaru outright? Not that it is a big deal, but thinking out loud.

Wonder if Toyota actually has any interest in buying Subaru outright? Not that it is a big deal, but thinking out loud.

Under current Japanese law it's illegal.

I love those renderings! Hopefully the car looks close to those renderings. 120HP might not seem like much but if this car weighs under 2400lbs, it will have good performance. I do agree that the car needs more power than the rumoured numbers.

Also hopefully the rumour is true about a WRC assault with this model, as many enthusiasts want to see Toyota back in WRC.

Looks kind of like an Altima Coupe from the rear... haha

Under current Japanese law it's illegal.

Subaru can def. benefit from Toyota though in their current situation. Subaru has the potential to be profitable, but these recent designs (Tribeca before the refresh, and the new Impreza) are hitting them hard. Though the Impreza still has time to redeem itself since its relatively new, but unfortunately everyone I talk to about it thinks its hideous. Yuck IMO.

Subaru is a very small company. They only sell 200,000 or so a year. I think with better advertising and if they had their own small car like this, their sales would increase. Toyota should be a good thing for them.

I kinda like the car in the pics cant wait to see the production version. If they make it.

Doesn't look to bad.. I bet it will get great gas mileage... :thumbup:

Looks like a redesigned Scion tC.

If Subaru and Toyota are going to be sharing some technology and products then instead of a new Supra or high performance sports car getting that hybrid powerplant which is a very poor choice for a sports car due to its added weight and the batteries not being able to sustain long acceleration like on a track they should twin turbo the Subura flat six after they strengthen it of course to handle the power and make a legitimate 911, Corvette, and GTR fighter. The Lexus LFA is going to be too expensive and exotic to compete with those cars and will be competing with higher priced cars. The turbo flat six would be an ideal powerplant for a new Supra because it would be highly tunable like the last one, it would have a lower center of gravity, it would be different then anything else out on the market and could achieve hp numbers at or above its competition fairly easily. If they can make it for around 45K I think it would be a hit as long as it was aggressive and did not look like anything in the Toyota lineup. They could also have a turbo v-8 version to compete with the Z06, 911 GT2, Viper and price it below its competition. I would much rather have a turbo flat six in a sports car then some unproven heavy hybrid powerplant that will run out of charge during repeated fast driving.

As for that concept it does not excite me in any way. With that power it will probrably be slower then Avalons and Camrys. It needs more power and more aggressive looks.

If Subaru and Toyota are going to be sharing some technology and products then instead of a new Supra or high performance sports car getting that hybrid powerplant which is a very poor choice for a sports car due to its added weight and the batteries not being able to sustain long acceleration like on a track they should twin turbo the Subura flat six after they strengthen it of course to handle the power and make a legitimate 911, Corvette, and GTR fighter. The Lexus LFA is going to be too expensive and exotic to compete with those cars and will be competing with higher priced cars. The turbo flat six would be an ideal powerplant for a new Supra because it would be highly tunable like the last one, it would have a lower center of gravity, it would be different then anything else out on the market and could achieve hp numbers at or above its competition fairly easily. If they can make it for around 45K I think it would be a hit as long as it was aggressive and did not look like anything in the Toyota lineup. They could also have a turbo v-8 version to compete with the Z06, 911 GT2, Viper and price it below its competition. I would much rather have a turbo flat six in a sports car then some unproven heavy hybrid powerplant that will run out of charge during repeated fast driving.

As for that concept it does not excite me in any way. With that power it will probrably be slower then Avalons and Camrys. It needs more power and more aggressive looks.

I think they're focusing more on handling with this car, economy and affordability.

Hmm.. 1100kg, 110hp.

Correct me if I'm wrong but that's very very close to the 120hp (old SAE) non-VVTi 98-99 Corolla LE. Similar weight and power (assuming the old 120hp is closer to 110hp if it were to be rated now).


Interesting....

they should twin turbo the Subura flat six after they strengthen it of course to handle the power and make a legitimate 911, Corvette, and GTR fighter.

3.0L or 3.6L?

More power.....

remember what happened to the MK111 MR-2 Spyder?

More power.....

remember what happened to the MK111 MR-2 Spyder?

It was a convertible that's what it's problem was.

It was a convertible that's what it's problem was.

One could say it was ugly, that it was a convertible, that it was too expensive or that it had no storage space, but had it come with the 180hp 2ZZ, I can bet you it would have sold well enough to still be on the market.

http://www.egmcartech.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/subaru_toyota_rwd_sportscar_rendering.jpg
In Detail: Toyota-Subaru's Rear Wheel Drive Sports Car (http://www.egmcartech.com/2008/05/28/in-detail-toyota-subarus-rear-wheel-drive-sports-car/?disqus_reply=540945#comment-540945)
Posted on: May 28th, 2008
Filed under: Subaru, Toyota

Toyota and Subaru have both confirmed that they are indeed working on a rear-wheel-drive sports car that will arrive on the market by the end of 2011. Toyota will be handling the basic design of the car while Subaru will provide the technicals.

InsideLine has some new info on the sports car and has learned that it will be sold as a Toyota model exclusively in Japan while the rest of the world will get it with a Subaru badge. Mechanicals on both cars will be ‘identical’, but both models will have different exterior looks.

Engineers are working on Subaru’s 4WD powertrain and are modifying it to create a new rear-wheel-drive architecture. Power will come from Impreza WRX STI’s 2.0 liter engine that produces 220-hp. It will be mated to a six-speed manual gearbox.

Expect pricing to start just under $20,000.

The WRX STI 2.0 motor makes over 300hp...
So is this article saying in Japan there will only be a Toyota model and the rest of the world gets only a Subaru model? Or are they saying that Japan will get a Toyota only model and the rest of the world gets both a Toyota and Subaru model.

Wonder if it has enough room for a JZ motor lol.

The WRX STI 2.0 motor makes over 300hp...
So is this article saying in Japan there will only be a Toyota model and the rest of the world gets only a Subaru model? Or are they saying that Japan will get a Toyota only model and the rest of the world gets both a Toyota and Subaru model.

The Toyota variant will only be available in Japan. I dunno, that seems odd to me. And I wouldnt buy a RWD Subaru. AWD, it what makes a Subaru a Subaru.

The Toyota variant will only be available in Japan. I dunno, that seems odd to me. And I wouldnt buy a RWD Subaru. AWD, it what makes a Subaru a Subaru.

I'm hoping this article is all sorts of wrong. Toyota needs some sport bled into it.

sorry I am not feeling it....

for some reason the pics on the link look like the civic coupe to me.... anyone else see it?

That's an artist rendering probably not even close to what it will actually look like. But still they have their facts wrong so it makes me skeptical of their article.

This article IS all kind of wrong. Complete BS. Makes no sense whatsoever.....

Looks kind of like an Altima Coupe from the rear... haha

I was thinking the same. NO LIKE IT!! :thumbdn:

I hope this article is wrong because I want the Toyota verison to come to the States so I can buy one lol

looks like a mix between a civic and a tC, kinda lame

The article definitely IS wrong. For one thing, the article contradicts official statements made by Toyota *in the US* that a Toyota version of this sports car would be offered in the future.

The article definitely IS wrong. For one thing, the article contradicts official statements made by Toyota *in the US* that a Toyota version of this sports car would be offered in the future.

Thank god! I've never really had a preference for Subaru exteriors. Also, Toyota badly needs sports cars!! I'm still rather confused about their future plans for a line-up. Is this going to be one vehicle with multiple drivetrains and trimlines? Because they have also stated we are going to get a small cheap rwd car a la AE86 Corolla.

The "small cheap RWD" car WILL be this car. The base price is estimated to be in the low-to-mid 20K range. The Subaru version and Toyota version are both said to have the same or similar mechanicals. The Subaru version *may* be AWD instead of RWD, but likely both will be RWD. The Subaru version is supposed to have a different interior and exterior than the Toyota version.

The article is also incorrect in terms of who's developing what. Toyota is actually the one who will develop the rear end of the car as Subaru does not have the resources or expertise to develop a rear end that will meet both company's cost and quality standards. Subaru is said to be mostly working on the chassis and supplying the engine and possibly transmissions.

As for a Supra or Celica successor, a production version of the FT-HS hybrid sports car concept is rumoured to be the replacement. As it stands, insiders are saying that the Toyota brand would have a 2 car sports car assault on the market, with the FT-HS at the high end and this jointly developed car with Subaru at the lower end of the market.

woah forget the car, do u guys see their banner?? thats a bad accident.

Hey if fits the following criterias:

1. A Toyota or Lexus (Really important because I try not want a Honda no matter how good it is due to its stigma)

2. RWD

3. Cheap.

4. Fun to Drive

5. Gets good mileage

Then i want it regardless of looks