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Old Dec 18, 2007 | 06:24 PM
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Congress Set to Boost Fuel Economy Limit

By H. JOSEF HEBERT – 8 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Congress is set to increase fuel mileage requirements for automobiles and SUVs for the first time in 32 years and President Bush has signaled he will accept the new mandates on the auto industry.

Democratic leaders were confident the House will pass an energy bill Tuesday that includes a new 35-miles-per-gallon standard, a huge increase in the use of ethanol and new energy efficiency standards for appliances and building construction.

"This legislation is a historic turning point in energy policy," said Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of Maryland because it will cut demand for foreign oil and promote nonfossil fuels that will cut greenhouse gases linked to global warming.

It increases energy efficiency "from light bulbs to light trucks," said Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., a longtime protector of the auto industry who was key to a compromise on vehicle efficiency increases.

Many Republicans denounced the Democratic-crafted bill for failing to push for more domestic production of fossil fuels and for mandates some GOP lawmakers warned will not be possible.

"What we have here is a mandatory conservation bill," said Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas. He argued that both the auto fuel efficiency requirements and the huge increase in ethanol use may not prove to be technologically or economically possible.

Democrats disagreed. The legislation takes measured and concrete steps that are achievable, said Dingell.

The Senate passed the bill last week after discarding billions of dollars in higher taxes on oil companies and a solar and wind power mandate that opponents said would raise electric rates in the Southeast. Those measures were opposed by President Bush and Senate Republicans.

The centerpiece of the bill remained the requirement for automakers to increase their industrywide vehicle fuel efficiency by 40 percent to an industry average of 35 mpg by 2020 compared to today's 25 mpg when including passenger cars as well as SUVs and small trucks.

Congress has not changed the auto mileage requirement since it was first enacted in 1975.

Democrats said the fuel economy requirements eventually — when the fleet of gas-miser vehicles are widely on the road — will save motorists $700 to $1,000 a year in fuel costs. They maintain the overall bill, including more ethanol use and various efficiency requirements and incentives, will reduce U.S. oil demand by 4 million barrels a day by 2030, more than twice the daily imports from the volatile Persian Gulf.

The automakers have repeatedly fought an increase in the federal fuel standard, known as CAFE, maintaining it would limit the range of vehicles consumers will have available in showrooms and threaten auto industry jobs. Bush also has argued against an arbitrary, numerical increase in the fuel efficiency requirement, preferring instead legislation to streamline the federal requirements and market incentives to get rid of gas guzzling vehicles.

But the automakers have accepted the political shift toward a tougher requirement. After the Senate approved the legislation last week, the White House immediately said Bush would sign it once it reaches his desk.

The bill requires a massive increase in the production of ethanol for motor fuels, outlining a rampup of ethanol use from the roughly 6 billion gallons this year to 36 billion gallons by 2022. After 2015, the emphasis would be on expanded use of cellulosic ethanol, made from such feedstock as switchgrass and wood chips, with two thirds of the ethanol — 21 billion gallons a year — from such non-corn sources.

However, commercially viable production of cellulosic ethanol has yet to be proven and some Republicans have argued that the new requirements could be impossible to meet and may raise corn prices and food supplies.

The bill requires improved efficiency standards for lighting, commercial and government buildings, and appliances such as refrigerators, dishwashers and freezers. It also tells the Energy Department to issue efficiency standards more quickly.

Democrats failed to get through a broad tax package that they had designed to pay for incentives aimed at spurring the development of wind, solar and alternative fuels such as cellulosic ethanol, as well as energy efficiency and conservation programs.

The package would have rolled back $13.5 billion in tax breaks enjoyed by the country's five largest oil companies. The tax package passed the House earlier this month, but was rejected in the Senate as Democrats failed by one vote to overcome a GOP filibuster. The White House said Bush opposed singling out the oil industry for higher taxes and that if the taxes were included, he would veto the bill.
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Old Dec 18, 2007 | 06:35 PM
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I think its part of the answer. Make automakers BECOME more fuel efficient and make people have more fuel efficient options. If we depend on them, we'll continue to just get bigger vehicles with marginal MPG gains.

Ethanol is not the answer either...
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=324646

I think the government should CHALLENGE GM and Ford and say "we will assist and support you making the best fuel efficient vehicles/lineups on the planet"

Our leaders ALSO need to lead the charge, don't just tell people what to do, SHOW people what to do. Buy a more economical car. Drive a hybrid.
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Automakers do need this push. Otherwise, they make very slow progress. Particularly the US automakers.

Toyota and Honda will have no problem attaining these numbers but GM, Ford, and Chrysler will struggle.

We are definately going to see less big trucks and SUV's when this comes to pass. Good.
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I don't think we might see less trucks and SUVs, just more of a way to make them more efficient....
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
Josh,
I don't think we might see less trucks and SUVs, just more of a way to make them more efficient....
Perhaps. But even the automakers have fought against these proposed regulations and have said that it would "reduce the range of vehicles that could be offered in the showroom".

Either way, larger SUV's will have to be hybrid or some other alternative to todays regular combustion engine. 15 mpg's ain't gonna cut it.
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get rid of E85 crap if you want to meet this new mpg regulation
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Originally Posted by 4TehNguyen
get rid of E85 crap if you want to meet this new mpg regulation
E85 is not even widely used...
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I haven't seen any E85 stations in Massachusetts. Not one.
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
Josh,
I don't think we might see less trucks and SUVs, just more of a way to make them more efficient....
Imagine if you could get a vehicle like the RAV4 or even the Highlander in a 4 cylinder hybrid with say 200 hp instead of all the hp the 3.5L gives you.


I think 35 mpg is very achieveable through:

hybrids
diesels
direct injection techology
valve timing
Smaller displacements with turbo chargers
Active fuel management

Subaru even has SI drive that changes engine mapping. So you can set it to sport, sport sharp, or intelligent. Intelligent is apparently good for a 10% improvement in fuel economy.
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I forgot CVTs. There is a big one. Look at the Nissan Rogue for example.
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
I think its part of the answer. Make automakers BECOME more fuel efficient and make people have more fuel efficient options. If we depend on them, we'll continue to just get bigger vehicles with marginal MPG gains.

Ethanol is not the answer either...
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=324646

I think the government should CHALLENGE GM and Ford and say "we will assist and support you making the best fuel efficient vehicles/lineups on the planet"

Our leaders ALSO need to lead the charge, don't just tell people what to do, SHOW people what to do. Buy a more economical car. Drive a hybrid.

Ethanol was and is the answer for Brazil, they recuded imports of oil by 80 percent.

corn is not the only source for ethanol production: sugar beets, sugar cane as in Brazil, and a new look at switchgrass with a better yield per acre than corn.

I think those corn farmers saw dollar signs but competition will do a reality check on them.

That or if the feds/states open up national highway right of way to plant switchgrass
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Old Dec 19, 2007 | 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Koma
I haven't seen any E85 stations in Massachusetts. Not one.
Most of them, not surprisingly, are in the Midwestern Corn Belt.
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Originally Posted by ES350Bob
corn is not the only source for ethanol production: sugar beets, sugar cane as in Brazil, and a new look at switchgrass with a better yield per acre than corn.
About sugar, that's great for Brazil, but it's barely grown in the U.S.
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Anyone know how CAFE works in terms of 'requiring' manufacturers to meet it?

I think it's the average fuel economy of all the vehicles they sell, but what if they can't make their massive trailer towing pickup get anywhere close but it's a runaway seller because everyone else abandoned making them? Does that mean THEY will be punished (fined?) for producing something people want?
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
About sugar, that's great for Brazil, but it's barely grown in the U.S.
If only we could ferment Ethanol with High Fructose Corn Syrup..... We'd BE SO SET!
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