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Old Mar 25, 2008 | 05:12 PM
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If there were an award for last year's most profitable premium brand, it would be an unequivocal victory for Mercedes-Benz.

After cutting Chrysler loose, profits at Daimler, Mercedes' parent, have shot upward like an untethered balloon. None of its rivals could keep up.

There was a surprise in last year's results, though. Audi's profit margin topped BMW's. And Audi accomplished the feat without a financial arm of its own. Parent company Volkswagen handles the brand's leasing and financing.

BMW's comparatively bad showing demonstrates just how right CEO Norbert Reithofer has been in pursuing drastic cost reductions. Anyone who continually sells more cars without making more money is heading in the wrong direction.

BMW's results can be excused only partly by rising raw material prices. In the United States, BMW has become a victim of its own success. The weak dollar most hurts the import company selling the most in the United States.

But some of BMW's problems are homegrown. The 7 series has $2,500-$5,000 dealer incentives in the United States. BMW wouldn't need to support the vehicle if it were more attractive.

The U.S.-built X5 premium SUV scores well with U.S. customers and reportedly has 60 percent local content. But its expensive engines and transmissions still come from Europe and must be paid for with a weak dollar. So it hasn't had the effect on BMW coffers that the company was seeking.

In a perverse sense, Audi should be grateful to Ralph Weyler, its departed sales and marketing chief. Contrary to his clear mandate, Weyler only halfheartedly looked after the American market.

Weyler's inattention helped put Audi far behind Mercedes and BMW in U.S. sales. But as an unintended positive result, the dollar's weakness today is barely affecting the company.

That's certainly a silver lining. In fact, it makes one wonder if the folks at Audi might be secretly hoping for Americans to buy a record number of BMWs again this year, too.
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So what the article is trying to say is all 3 of the German brands are doing well despite bad economy conditions in US, with Benz doing the best followed by Audi then BMW?
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Cost-cutting can actually work against a company in the long run. Cheapen and decontent the vehicles too much, without dropping prices, and you will alienate your customers. That, I'm afraid, is what is starting to happen at Subaru, which, up to now, has done some of the best cars in the industry for the money....and which has had one of the highest repeat-buyer rates.

You don't make ANY money if your cars don't sell, economization or not.

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I am sure the accountants have gotten creative with all those lease deals and class leading incentives.

BMW maybe forced to drop their Maintenance plan like Audi did.
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
BMW maybe forced to drop their Maintenance plan like Audi did.
But, again, the maintenance plan is one of the things that draws in at least a portion of their customers.....the ones, of course, that don't buy BMWs just for the blue and white propeller on the hood.
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"But some of BMW's problems are homegrown. The 7 series has $2,500-$5,000 dealer incentives in the United States. BMW wouldn't need to support the vehicle if it were more attractive."

um, the car is almost 7 years old - incentives are to be expected at this point. Its not like it had these incentives the whole time.....


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Cost-cutting can actually work against a company in the long run. Cheapen and decontent the vehicles too much, without dropping prices, and you will alienate your customers. That, I'm afraid, is what is starting to happen at Subaru, which, up to now, has done some of the best cars in the industry for the money....and which has had one of the highest repeat-buyer rates.

You don't make ANY money if your cars don't sell, economization or not.
Yes, take a gander at some of the new Toyota interiors as well - Sequoia and Land Cruiser come to mind.....
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Old Mar 25, 2008 | 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by doug_999
"But some of BMW's problems are homegrown. The 7 series has $2,500-$5,000 dealer incentives in the United States. BMW wouldn't need to support the vehicle if it were more attractive."

um, the car is almost 7 years old - incentives are to be expected at this point. Its not like it had these incentives the whole time.....




Yes, take a gander at some of the new Toyota interiors as well - Sequoia and Land Cruiser come to mind.....
7 series had incentives since day one. It was the first 7 actually to HAVE incentives.

We are not talking about Toyota interiors here, but BMW ones (even if I agree with you).
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I wonder how Benz profits compare with Lexus profits.

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um, the car is almost 7 years old - incentives are to be expected at this point. Its not like it had these incentives the whole time.....
Not in the prestige luxury segment. Incentives at this price point and in such a prestigious segment are definitely not expected. I don't remember the previous gen LS or S Class ever having such incentives, despite being dated.
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I don't even understand why BMW isnt making money. Their cars are already expensive, moreso than lets say Lexus, Infiniti or Acura, but their build quality and materials are defenately not up to Lexus levels. They must be doing something really wrong if they arent making money.
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Originally Posted by TRDFantasy
Not in the prestige luxury segment. Incentives at this price point and in such a prestigious segment are definitely not expected. I don't remember the previous gen LS or S Class ever having such incentives, despite being dated.
I often wonder if you shop these cars or if you just go off of what you see on the websites. Lexus was cutting incredible deals on the LS430 at the end of its life cycle as was MB with the previous gen S Class.
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I don't even understand why BMW isnt making money. Their cars are already expensive, moreso than lets say Lexus, Infiniti or Acura, but their build quality and materials are defenately not up to Lexus levels. They must be doing something really wrong if they arent making money.
They are making money - just not as much as the others because they are getting killed by the Euro because they sell so many cars here. I'm not sure where you get the "build quality and materials" comment from however as I would argue that it is as good as if not better than Lexus IMHO.
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Old Mar 26, 2008 | 09:09 AM
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It is a shame that you can be penalized for selling too many cars. That is crazy that in this current market, you have to balance the amount of cars you sell state side. I think quality is excellent, but I also think that the prices are too high and if they continue to go up like this, then you end with less consumers and maybe they will decrease sales, therfore, increase profits...I think?
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Originally Posted by Och
I don't even understand why BMW isnt making money. Their cars are already expensive, moreso than lets say Lexus, Infiniti or Acura, but their build quality and materials are defenately not up to Lexus levels. They must be doing something really wrong if they arent making money.
I think the competitors have mostly caught up. BMW differentiates its as the ultimate driving machine but a good portion of the customer base buys it based off perceived quality and as a status symbol. These status seeking customers are increasingly looking at MB, Audi and Lexus...and not everyone loves the Bangle designs for BMW

On the performance side BMW I think still maintains its edge but that cutting edge engineering costs money.
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Originally Posted by werewolf
I think the competitors have mostly caught up. BMW differentiates its as the ultimate driving machine but a good portion of the customer base buys it based off perceived quality and as a status symbol. These status seeking customers are increasingly looking at MB, Audi and Lexus...and not everyone loves the Bangle designs for BMW

On the performance side BMW I think still maintains its edge but that cutting edge engineering costs money.
BMW, despite its weaknesses in some areas, DEFINITELY puts money into its steering systems and chassis engineering.

IMO, with the possible exception of Porsche, BMW sets the industry standard for being a "Driving Machine". I know of no other American-market sedans (and I drive a lot of new cars) that have such a telepathic steering feel and such a well-done combination in the suspension of ride and handling.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
BMW, despite its weaknesses in some areas, DEFINITELY puts money into its steering systems and chassis engineering.

IMO, with the possible exception of Porsche, BMW sets the industry standard for being a "Driving Machine". I know of no other American-market sedans (and I drive a lot of new cars) that have such a telepathic steering feel and such a well-done combination in the suspension of ride and handling.
Agreed, drove a 2007 Boxster the other day and it sets the standard for overall poise and balance...but $56K for a 2 seater convertible is a big ask...
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