Notices
Car Chat General discussion about Lexus, other auto manufacturers and automotive news.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Innova

New bill would make hybrid cars noisy to protect blind

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Apr 9, 2008 | 07:15 AM
  #1  
Gojirra99's Avatar
Gojirra99
Thread Starter
CL Community Team
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 30,283
Likes: 363
From: Canada
Default New bill would make hybrid cars noisy to protect blind

Plan would make hybrids noisy to protect blind
Bill to be introduced in Congress; no record yet of cars injuring sightless


Tues., April. 8, 2008

BALTIMORE - A bill intended to protect blind people and other pedestrians from the dangers posed by quiet cars will be introduced Wednesday in Congress.

The measure would require the Transportation Department to establish safety standards for hybrids and other vehicles that make little discernible noise, including an audible means for alerting people that cars are nearby.

"The beneficial trend toward more environmentally friendly vehicles has had the unintended effect of placing the blind and other pedestrians in danger," said Democratic Rep. Edolphus Towns, who's sponsoring the bill with Republican Rep. Cliff Stearns.

The Baltimore-based National Federation of the Blind has pushed for the legislation to protect those who rely on their hearing to know when to cross the street.

While the organization is not aware of people being struck by cars they couldn't hear, NFB President Marc Maurer has said he fears it's only a matter of time.

Preliminary results of an ongoing study at the University of California-Riverside have indicated the cars pose some risk. The study found that hybrids operating at slow speeds must be 40 percent closer to pedestrians than combustion-engine vehicles before they make enough noise for their location to be detected.

Hybrid vehicles operate on battery-powered electric motors when idling and traveling at slow speeds; internal combustion engines, with their distinctive rumble, kick in when the cars speed up.

The bill would require the Transportation Department to conduct a two-year study before issuing safety standards. Automakers would than have two years to comply.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is planning a listening session this spring to consider possible solutions to the quiet-car problem and is already working with manufacturers.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24019034
Reply
Old Apr 9, 2008 | 07:18 AM
  #2  
PhilipMSPT's Avatar
PhilipMSPT
Cycle Savant
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 21,528
Likes: 9
From: In rehab...
Default

In support of this bill, I will just scream jibberish while walking the streets, in the event that a blind person doesn't realize that I'm in front of him...
Reply
Old Apr 9, 2008 | 07:44 AM
  #3  
kit cat's Avatar
kit cat
Lexus Test Driver
15 Year Member
Photogenic
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 6,571
Likes: 3
From: US
Default

Originally Posted by PhilipMSPT
In support of this bill, I will just scream jibberish while walking the streets, in the event that a blind person doesn't realize that I'm in front of him...
I support it too. I was being an idiot walking around Tokyo with my earbuds on and changing songs on my iPod and got hit by a Prius
Reply
Old Apr 9, 2008 | 08:11 AM
  #4  
SLegacy99's Avatar
SLegacy99
Lead Lap
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 4,534
Likes: 0
From: MD
Default

Originally Posted by Coco-bun
I support it too. I was being an idiot walking around Tokyo with my earbuds on and changing songs on my iPod and got hit by a Prius
Haha, thats funny. I recently did a study examining who looks before before crossing the street. I found that people listening to MP3 players were the most likely to look, people on their cell phones were next, and people that were just walking were the least likely to look. Opposite of what I expected to find.


I was just in NYC and didn't have a problem hearing hybrids' wooshing wind noise and whizzing electrics motors coming from behind me.
Reply
Old Apr 9, 2008 | 08:43 AM
  #5  
Saiji's Avatar
Saiji
Lexus Champion
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,857
Likes: 0
From: ~626~ S.G.V
Default

Hahahha cocobun were you okay? Well I'm sure you're okay cuz you're posting, but you didnt' get hurt?
Reply
Old Apr 9, 2008 | 10:09 AM
  #6  
rominl's Avatar
rominl
exclusive matchup
20 Year Member
Liked
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 81,915
Likes: 512
From: Lovely OC
Default

this is so stupid imho..... i thought cars getting quieter and quieter is a good thing..
Reply
Old Apr 9, 2008 | 10:58 AM
  #7  
kit cat's Avatar
kit cat
Lexus Test Driver
15 Year Member
Photogenic
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 6,571
Likes: 3
From: US
Default

Originally Posted by SLegacy99
Haha, thats funny. I recently did a study examining who looks before before crossing the street. I found that people listening to MP3 players were the most likely to look, people on their cell phones were next, and people that were just walking were the least likely to look. Opposite of what I expected to find.


I was just in NYC and didn't have a problem hearing hybrids' wooshing wind noise and whizzing electrics motors coming from behind me.
Well I have an earbud called Shure e2C which shuts the noise from the outside pretty well. I usually do look before I cross but I got my station I've been using for the past 4 years and I guess I wasn't cautious enough.


Originally Posted by ssaristo
Hahahha cocobun were you okay? Well I'm sure you're okay cuz you're posting, but you didnt' get hurt?
lol, i'm fine. you know how Tokyo is...i was walking through a "shotengai" and the Prius was going like 5km/h. The poor driver freaked out more than I did. It was quite an impact though only at 5km/h.
Reply
Old Apr 9, 2008 | 10:59 AM
  #8  
kit cat's Avatar
kit cat
Lexus Test Driver
15 Year Member
Photogenic
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 6,571
Likes: 3
From: US
Default

Originally Posted by rominl
this is so stupid imho..... i thought cars getting quieter and quieter is a good thing..
yeah, I think there should be an on/off button...no need for places like Winchestertonvillefield, but places like NYC could probably benefit from it.
Reply
ClubLexus Stories

Celebrating Lexus & Toyota from Around the Globe

story-0

Toyota and Lexus Join Mille Miglia For The First Time

 Verdad Gallardo
story-1

Lexus NX 350h: A Fuel-Sipping Secret Hot Hatch???

 Michael S. Palmer
story-2

5 Best & 5 Worst Lexus Daily Drivers

 Joe Kucinski
story-3

Top 5 Hottest Lexus & Toyotas in 2026 (Hardest To Buy)

 Brett Foote
story-4

2026 Lexus IS 350 F Sport Review: The Last of Its Kind Still Rocks

 Michael S. Palmer
story-5

Top 10 Most Confusing Things Lexus Has Ever Done!

 Joe Kucinski
story-6

2026 Lexus ES Review: Lexus Re-Embraces Founding Principles

 Michael S. Palmer
story-7

10 Lexus Bargains That are Cheaper Than a New Toyota RAV4

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

8 Weirdest Things Lexus Has Ever Built

 Verdad Gallardo
story-9

10 Lexus Designs That Have Aged Like Fine Wine

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Apr 9, 2008 | 11:03 AM
  #9  
Saiji's Avatar
Saiji
Lexus Champion
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,857
Likes: 0
From: ~626~ S.G.V
Default

When I was walking in Tokyo I was suprised to see older women driving cars and when they pass by I just hear. Pshhhhhh! Supercharged...
Reply
Old Apr 9, 2008 | 11:52 AM
  #10  
encore888's Avatar
encore888
Lexus Champion
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 8,695
Likes: 2
From: CA
Default

I think a beep-beep warning system during some types of driving would be ok...sorta like in Asia how some cars play classical music when backing up.
Reply
Old Apr 9, 2008 | 11:54 AM
  #11  
RX_330's Avatar
RX_330
Lexus Test Driver
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,388
Likes: 9
From: Michigan
Default

Originally Posted by Coco-bun
yeah, I think there should be an on/off button...no need for places like Winchestertonvillefield, but places like NYC could probably benefit from it.
NYC is always full of cars anyway. I doubt a blind person would be walking the streets of NYC alone or without some sort of assistance.
Reply
Old Apr 9, 2008 | 01:17 PM
  #12  
gbondioli's Avatar
gbondioli
Lead Lap
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 773
Likes: 0
From: WI
Default Eureka!

How about using RFID, or something similar? Blind people could where one such device when they know they will be walking amongst motorized traffic. Near-silent cars could also have sensors. When in close proximity, both the pedestrian and the driver could be alerted via beeping, etc. Problem solved!
Reply
Old Apr 9, 2008 | 02:59 PM
  #13  
CK6Speed's Avatar
CK6Speed
Lexus Test Driver
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 7,719
Likes: 5
From: HI
Default

I don't think it has to be noisy, but just make some sort of noise. Heck, I'm not even blind and I almost walked right behind a Prius that had just started to reverse in a parking lot. I was pushing the shopping cart so you know how those wheels are kind of noisy. I didn't even know the Prius was running and just as he started to reverse I walked right behind him. Couldn't really see the reverse lights in the day light sun plus I wasn't looking for it.
Reply
Old Apr 9, 2008 | 03:03 PM
  #14  
xknowonex's Avatar
xknowonex
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 5,045
Likes: 1
From: CA
Default

Slap on a Tom's Racing exhaust on a Prius

Reply
Old Apr 9, 2008 | 03:16 PM
  #15  
SLegacy99's Avatar
SLegacy99
Lead Lap
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 4,534
Likes: 0
From: MD
Default

How bout one of those fake turbo blow off valves for the muffler.......
Reply



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 06:45 PM.

story-0
Toyota and Lexus Join Mille Miglia For The First Time

Slideshow: A five-car lineup spanning more than five decades of Toyota performance and engineering will tackle one of Italy's most celebrated automotive routes.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-15 16:53:16


VIEW MORE
story-1
Lexus NX 350h: A Fuel-Sipping Secret Hot Hatch???

Slideshow: a quick review of the 2026 Lexus NX 350h F Sport Handling

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-15 15:25:34


VIEW MORE
story-2
5 Best & 5 Worst Lexus Daily Drivers

Slideshow: The 5 best and 5 worst Lexus daily drivers

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-15 11:14:58


VIEW MORE
story-3
Top 5 Hottest Lexus & Toyotas in 2026 (Hardest To Buy)

These five Lexus and Toyota models are the most sought-after on the market right now.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-15 10:47:52


VIEW MORE
story-4
2026 Lexus IS 350 F Sport Review: The Last of Its Kind Still Rocks

Slideshow: the 2026 IS 350 isn't all that new, and that's why we love it!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-04 14:35:23


VIEW MORE
story-5
Top 10 Most Confusing Things Lexus Has Ever Done!

Slideshow: 10 most confusing things Lexus has ever done.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-04 09:40:55


VIEW MORE
story-6
2026 Lexus ES Review: Lexus Re-Embraces Founding Principles

Slideshow: Our First-Drive Review of the 2026 Lexus ES!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-29 20:30:16


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Lexus Bargains That are Cheaper Than a New Toyota RAV4

Slideshow: 10 Lexus bargain that are cheaper than a new Toyota.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-20 10:28:20


VIEW MORE
story-8
8 Weirdest Things Lexus Has Ever Built

Slideshow: From hoverboards to luxury yachts, these are the strangest projects Lexus has ever attached its badge to.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-16 11:34:36


VIEW MORE
story-9
10 Lexus Designs That Have Aged Like Fine Wine

Slideshow: Some luxury cars chase trends, but these Lexus models look better now than they did when they first rolled into showrooms.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-06 17:58:29


VIEW MORE