I was looking at an autotrader and found a 94' TT supra for sale. It only had 64k miles on it. It was said to be stock so I am wondering what the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times were for that car when it was released. Also, How limited in production and availability are they? They seem rather difficult to find as I look.

I know the stock 0-60 time is 5.0-5.2 secounds. I think the 1/4 is in the mid 13's. I don't have production numbers, but it is limited production and good clean ones are hard to find. Beware there are many scams with selling Supras I heard it is very easy for odometers to be rolled back.

Here are the numbers as published by Toyota:

http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data//500/Supra_cutaway.jpg

Yes, I do have this poster in my office, and I bought it in 1994.

Yes, I do have this poster in my office, and I bought it in 1994.

But what's the gas mileage? :D

18/26. I can scan the Mulroney sticker and post it if you like. I have that too.

What I would have done to be able to buy one of these brand new:D Had a MK3 and it was sweet wish I had the money for of these.

I was making $33k a year when I bought mine in '94. Trust me, it was a sacrifice, but well worth it.

Funny how The Supra managed to do 0-60 and 1/4 mile in about the same time as the IS-F even though the technology is 15 years older and about 100 less hp... True legend.

Have you heard of something called "GOOGLE"?

I wish toyota would bring back the supra now!!!!!

I wish they never made that "...." movie with a Supra in it. :(

Funny how The Supra managed to do 0-60 and 1/4 mile in about the same time as the IS-F even though the technology is 15 years older and about 100 less hp... True legend.

Probably 0-1 airbags vs., 6?
No ABS?
No traction control
Less space
No nav
etc.

All the above adds WEIGHT to the IS-F which is why it's not exactly a fair comparison.

For that time, 320hp was a lot for an import car right off of the production line. Same goes for the FD Rx-7 and 300zx. They had impressive numbers from the factory as well. Those cars were my dream cars when I was in middle school.

Probably 0-1 airbags vs., 6?
No ABS?
No traction control
Less space
No nav
etc.

All the above adds WEIGHT to the IS-F which is why it's not exactly a fair comparison.

While the IS-F does weigh some 300lbs more than a Supra TT, the Supra did have ABS and traction control. The ISx50 is quite heavy as a platform (3500lbs just about the same as the Supra) to begin with. It also isn't a fair comparison because they're quite different in target. The Supra was an overbuilt all out sports car, hardly luxurious. The IS-F is a high output sports luxury sedan.

I would say it has something to do with the fact that the Supra TT had a manual transmission able to throw a lot more of it's power down. Given the IS-F has lockable gears it is still an automatic which does reduce the actual power to the wheels.
The Supra also had an LSD.

Probably 0-1 airbags vs., 6?
No ABS?
No traction control
Less space
No nav
etc.

All the above adds WEIGHT to the IS-F which is why it's not exactly a fair comparison.
the Supra had:
-ABS
-Traction control
-Driver and Passenger airbags
-3,445lbs curb weight
-0-60mph in 4.9s
-0.98g

the IS-F:
-96+hp more (a decent bit more if u use the same standard as was used for the supra)
-56+ lb/ft of torque
-Driver, Passenger, Head, Side, and perhaps more airbags
-4 doors
-3,780lbs curb weight
-0-60 in 4.6s

15 years...and 0.3s, granted, the IS-F is a lovely car, but until toyota comes out with a true purpose built sports car, you can't really compare....

The Supra was an overbuilt all out sports car, hardly luxurious. The IS-F is a high output sports luxury sedan.

Hold on a minute there professor...

"The car shares the same chassis as the MKIV 1993-1998 model Toyota Supra. Both cars suspension, brakes, drivetrains, and engine parts are interchangeable."

http://www.cars-directory.net/history/toyota/soarer/

While the Supra is/was a solid 90's sports car it did share the major components with the SC which is definitely a luxury Sport Coupe.

Yes it was built with a purpose... to compete w/ the RX-7, 3000GT, & 300ZX, but it was not an 'all-out' sports car.

Hold on a minute there professor...

"The car shares the same chassis as the MKIV 1993-1998 model Toyota Supra. Both cars suspension, brakes, drivetrains, and engine parts are interchangeable."

http://www.cars-directory.net/history/toyota/soarer/

While the Supra is/was a solid 90's sports car it did share the major components with the SC which is definitely a luxury Sport Coupe.

Yes it was built with a purpose... to compete w/ the RX-7, 3000GT, & 300ZX, but it was not an 'all-out' sports car.

Alright maybe it wasn't a race spec raw sports car but the IS-F, in my opinion, isn't in the same class as the Supra. The SC300 (comparable to a NA Supra) weighed almost 300lbs more than the NA Supra. That's a lot of weight difference in a car with the same chassis and same engine. The Supra did have some luxury aspecs but luxury was mostly meant for the higher priced SC300.

While the IS-F does weigh some 300lbs more than a Supra TT, the Supra did have ABS and traction control. The ISx50 is quite heavy as a platform (3500lbs just about the same as the Supra) to begin with. It also isn't a fair comparison because they're quite different in target. The Supra was an overbuilt all out sports car, hardly luxurious. The IS-F is a high output sports luxury sedan.

I would say it has something to do with the fact that the Supra TT had a manual transmission able to throw a lot more of it's power down. Given the IS-F has lockable gears it is still an automatic which does reduce the actual power to the wheels.
The Supra also had an LSD.

You forgot to mention that the Supra TT power figures were totally underrated also. My 97 Supra TT w/ just an exhaust and DP made 345 whp. I've seen stock Supra TT dyno at 310whp (on an MD no less, not a Dynocrap)....

I would take a Supra over an IS-F any day of the week. The IS-F is still a lexus attempt at being a sports car. There is still no option for a manual tranny. Lexus needs to come out with a nice gearbox besides their automatics.

I would take a Supra over an IS-F any day of the week. The IS-F is still a lexus attempt at being a sports car. There is still no option for a manual tranny. Lexus needs to come out with a nice gearbox besides their automatics.

I'm curious on your answers, but why do they need a manual tranny? Are there customers going to go racing? Do people missing heal and toeing in traffic that much? Or is this just a ego thing that screams, "yes, i'm a real sports car (albeit i can't drive like one)".

Don't get me wrong, my last 4 sports cars (Lance Evo IX, Honda S2000, 2 Supra TTs) had manual and I loved them when I drove them at the track. But on the streets, I'd love to get a DSG / manumatic anyday!

I would take a Supra over an IS-F any day of the week. The IS-F is still a lexus attempt at being a sports car. There is still no option for a manual tranny. Lexus needs to come out with a nice gearbox besides their automatics.

a shifter with 9 slots would look wierd.

I always want a Supra. sadly still can't afford one haha.:D

Supra was a GT car, and the odometer is scary-easy to disconnect, which is part of the reason I gave up hope on finding a clean one after I sold my '97 6-spd. Lexus DOES need a manual tranny, or a bonafide DSG tranny. This manumatic sh1t is a waste of time. LSD should also be a given in any performance car. Supra > IS-F

What I would have done to be able to buy one of these brand new:D Had a MK3 and it was sweet wish I had the money for of these.

Got my TT 6sp back new in 94 I was a high school student and a volunteer at a local senior center.... it was some tough time back then:cry:

Now you can get one pretty cheap my co-worker just pick up a 93 TT auto with 160k miles clean title for 11 or 12k... even with 160k these thing still run pretty strong...

the Supra had:
-ABS
-Traction control
-Driver and Passenger airbags
-3,445lbs curb weight
-0-60mph in 4.9s
-0.98g

the IS-F:
-96+hp more (a decent bit more if u use the same standard as was used for the supra)
-56+ lb/ft of torque
-Driver, Passenger, Head, Side, and perhaps more airbags
-4 doors
-3,780lbs curb weight
-0-60 in 4.6s

15 years...and 0.3s, granted, the IS-F is a lovely car, but until toyota comes out with a true purpose built sports car, you can't really compare....

Very good info and I totally agree with the conclusion. But Toyota seems more interested in building yet more boring boxes.

I'm curious on your answers, but why do they need a manual tranny? Are there customers going to go racing? Do people missing heal and toeing in traffic that much? Or is this just a ego thing that screams, "yes, i'm a real sports car (albeit i can't drive like one)".

Don't get me wrong, my last 4 sports cars (Lance Evo IX, Honda S2000, 2 Supra TTs) had manual and I loved them when I drove them at the track. But on the streets, I'd love to get a DSG / manumatic anyday!

Kinda depends where one lives I think. In traffic, I agree with you a stick is no fun. But on empty roads it's great fun. Yes, DSG is truly amazing, but still not the same visceral feel as a stick. And a stick is likely to be less expensive than a DSG.

But if I lived near a lot of traffic, no way I'd want a stick.

Oh and on a track I'd want DSG :D One less thing to think about.

You dont need to race to enjoy a manual. I like rowing my own gears because I'm engaged in driving, even though I go through the same commute every day. No one needs an F1 paddle shifter for the streets either, but it's there for your personal enjoyment :p

You dont need to race to enjoy a manual. I like rowing my own gears because I'm engaged in driving, even though I go through the same commute every day. No one needs an F1 paddle shifter for the streets either, but it's there for your personal enjoyment :p

+1 I dont race my 5spd ES 300(ok sometimes:D) but I just enjoy driving stick more then auto. I like the control over my own gear changes.

The whole manual transmission is just more fun. This is coming from someone who just recently crossed over from automatics. I now have a stick and love it. I have driven a Lambo with their E-transmission and it just doesn't feel right. Many people will disagree with me but after driving a car with three pedals and taking the time to learn how to do it right. I can say this, there is no skill involved in a paddle shifter transmission like the IS-F or IS350. There is skill revolved around driving an old fashion 6 speed gearbox. It is fun, you have more engine feel it requires work. At the end of the drive you feel like you drove a car instead of being driven to a location.

The whole manual transmission is just more fun. This is coming from someone who just recently crossed over from automatics. I now have a stick and love it. I have driven a Lambo with their E-transmission and it just doesn't feel right. Many people will disagree with me but after driving a car with three pedals and taking the time to learn how to do it right. I can say this, there is no skill involved in a paddle shifter transmission like the IS-F or IS350. There is skill revolved around driving an old fashion 6 speed gearbox. It is fun, you have more engine feel it requires work. At the end of the drive you feel like you drove a car instead of being driven to a location.


As I said, I can understand the fascination with sticks on a track...but on the streets? Even when i was driving around with my 500hp Evo, i never found myself wanting a stick for the street (and again, i come from a background of tracking cars / racing bikes). There is no skill driving around on the street on a stick (it took me about 1 hour to learn riding one when i first bought mine). Yes, throttle blipping for a perfect double clutch heal and toe rev match is fun at first, but after time, who cares unless you are at the track....I'm not dissing you, just don't understand the fascination with a stick on the street and find it more to be an ego thing than anything else.....

I dont think its about ego at all, unless the person you're talking to is one of those who thinks "manuals are for real men and autos are ghey'. I love driving and the stick makes it more engaging for me, even on the streets. It's just like those who own v8 rwd luxury vehicles. You dont need 8 cyl with rwd to get to the office, but you have it anyways because you enjoy having such features; otherwise, we could find it more to be an ego thing than anything else :)

Very good info and I totally agree with the conclusion. But Toyota seems more interested in building yet more boring boxes.

That's because their "boring boxes" are more profitable overall. The MKIV Supra didn't sell well at all brand new. Although it has cult status now, only a small percentage of those who worship the MKIV would actually shell out the money to pay for a brand new one.

That's because their "boring boxes" are more profitable overall. The MKIV Supra didn't sell well at all brand new. Although it has cult status now, only a small percentage of those who worship the MKIV would actually shell out the money to pay for a brand new one.

Which is exactly why the IS-F and IS350 do not have a manual option. Not enough buyers.

AFA the Supra not being hard edged - the first time I test drove the car (1994) I could not believe how loud it was inside. It was difficult to hold a conversation. It is still true now, and with the Tein HAs I have, it's even worse. The SCs have bushing problems, the Supras do not. Why? Because the SCs were intended to have a luxurious ride, not a hard edged stiff bushing ride. Toyota wanted to annihilate the competition on the skidpad and they succeeded with Pilot Sport MXX3s specifically built for the Supra, stiff suspension, and stiff bushings (that's how the hardtops got 0.98g). They wanted to annihilate the competition with brakes - Motor Trend said in 1998 the Supra's brakes are the best brakes they've seen in 30 years of new vehicle testing bar none.

Despite all this good stuff, dealers with Supras in 1998 could expect the car would sit on the showroom floor for more than 180 days, and often as much as 9 full months before a buyer came along. Unfortunately Supras do not taste good even with salt and pepper, so dealers hated them. Only 13k of all types (TT, NA, SE) were imported over 5 years. The dealers were glad to see them finally go away.

Then came F&F. It was the best thing ever for MkIV Supra owners, and still is. When my ex drove the first one into a wall in 1995 after one whole year of ownership, ACV was $31k on a car I paid $39,600 to purchase. I bought my second one a year and a half later (luckily it was also a silver hardtop TT) before F&F for $28,500 with 32k miles on it. Now it has 145k miles and I could sell it for what I paid for it. Not bad in my mind for a car I've owned and driven for 11 years.

AFA the manual being more "fun" - no, it's more work. But you get to decide what gear you are in, and what gear you need to be in to do the thing you want to do. Paddles and manumatics shift quicker no doubt, and if going truly fast is your first task, they're a significant improvement because the driver isn't distracted with all the intricacies of executing a clean shift. But the electronic gizmos won't let you slip the clutch mercilessly to build boost faster and launch harder. So, as with all things, there is good and there is bad.

BTW, the hardtops weigh 3415 according to Toyota, and mine weighs exactly what they claim. It also made 305 whp on a DynoDynamics just a few weeks ago, with everything bone stock except boost. Even with high mileage, they're strong performers.

the Supra had:
-ABS
-Traction control
-Driver and Passenger airbags
-3,445lbs curb weight
-0-60mph in 4.9s
-0.98g

the IS-F:
-96+hp more (a decent bit more if u use the same standard as was used for the supra)
-56+ lb/ft of torque
-Driver, Passenger, Head, Side, and perhaps more airbags
-4 doors
-3,780lbs curb weight
-0-60 in 4.6s

15 years...and 0.3s, granted, the IS-F is a lovely car, but until toyota comes out with a true purpose built sports car, you can't really compare....

Yup. The end of Supra production was the beginning of the epically bland direction of the Toyota brand, and sadly continues to this day...

the Supra had:
-ABS
-Traction control
-Driver and Passenger airbags
-3,445lbs curb weight
-0-60mph in 4.9s
-0.98g

the IS-F:
-96+hp more (a decent bit more if u use the same standard as was used for the supra)
-56+ lb/ft of torque
-Driver, Passenger, Head, Side, and perhaps more airbags
-4 doors
-3,780lbs curb weight
-0-60 in 4.6s

15 years...and 0.3s, granted, the IS-F is a lovely car, but until toyota comes out with a true purpose built sports car, you can't really compare....
Supra had turbos. IS F is NA. I think I like NA better.
The whole manual transmission is just more fun. This is coming from someone who just recently crossed over from automatics. I now have a stick and love it. I have driven a Lambo with their E-transmission and it just doesn't feel right. Many people will disagree with me but after driving a car with three pedals and taking the time to learn how to do it right. I can say this, there is no skill involved in a paddle shifter transmission like the IS-F or IS350. There is skill revolved around driving an old fashion 6 speed gearbox. It is fun, you have more engine feel it requires work. At the end of the drive you feel like you drove a car instead of being driven to a location.
I enjoy my automatic a hellava better than my old manual.
It only takes a little more skill to drive manual. Don't give yourself too much credit:D. Honestly, people who drive manuals truly think that just because they have 3 pedals, they must be better drivers. I've been looked down at by people driving manual civics. im tired of this bs. I'm not refering to you btw, silver.

Yup. The end of Supra production was the beginning of the epically bland direction of the Toyota brand, and sadly continues to this day...

But as was pointed out, Supras just didn't sell very well when available.

i'd just like to point out that BMW started offering a manual 6spd for the M5 after MASSIVE consumer demand.

they had no plans prior to the release of the manu-matic.

But as was pointed out, Supras just didn't sell very well when available.

and toyota lost alot of money...

But as was pointed out, Supras just didn't sell very well when available.

I think it has something to do with the high insurance rate.. i remember my full coverage with Statefarm was 8k a year and then the 2nd year it went up 12k a year!!!! back in the 90's thats a lot of money for insurance.. I was trying to hard to trade the supra in for a E36 M3 so i can get cheaper insurance but no BMW dealer will take my supra.. I been all over SO cal trying to find a place to buy my Supra no luck... I even went to the largerst Toyota dealer in US call LONGO TOYOTA and used car manager there won't buy it back cause they have Supra in their used car lot that they cannot sell.. this was back in 97... and yeah not to mention my 50k 94 Supra went down to 40k MSRP in 97.. that didn't really help the resale value got to thank toyota for doing that.....

I think autos are great depending on your car of choice. If I want a sports sedan I at least want the option for a dual clutch or 6MT. It is certainly fun as long as you aren't in traffic. The supra appears to have one of the most bulletproof engines every created. I am reading some books on Turbocharging and each one visits the Supra specifically to discuss how they design those cars. Supras and Silvias make great FI cars. There something cool about a Japanese BOV and the turbo rush after 3500 rpms. My buddy has an FX500 kit on his NSX and that is pretty similar to a Supra. I would take that car over the Supra any day. It looks soooo much better and it actually looks and feels like a supercar.

Toyota Supra Dropped from Production Plans (http://www.egmcartech.com/2008/08/15/toyota-supra-dropped-from-production-plans-hybrid-venza-and-sienna-in-the-works/)

While GM is pushing forward with lithium-ion battery technology, Toyota will play it safe and move forward with nickel-metal hydride battery powered hybrids. Lithium-ion will come into play after the next-generation Prius makes its debut. A plug-in version of the Prius powered by lithium-ion batteries is expected in mid-2010.

According to Automotive News, the Toyota Sienna and the new Venza crossover are next on the list to get hybrid systems. Both hybrid models will arrive in 2012. 2012 will also be a big year for other models in the Toyota lineup.

A redesign of the Yaris, Camry, Avalon, RAV4 and a new rear-wheel-drive sports coupe will all arrive in 2012. In 2013, we’ll see a redesign of the Corolla and Matrix.

However we have some horrible news for you. If Automotive News is to be believed - and they mostly always are - the Supra has been dropped from Toyota’s production plans due to high mpg requirements.

If it is your daily driver than get an auto but if it is a weekend car i expect it to be a manual, case closed.

Toyota Supra Dropped from Production Plans (http://www.egmcartech.com/2008/08/15/toyota-supra-dropped-from-production-plans-hybrid-venza-and-sienna-in-the-works/)

While GM is pushing forward with lithium-ion battery technology, Toyota will play it safe and move forward with nickel-metal hydride battery powered hybrids. Lithium-ion will come into play after the next-generation Prius makes its debut. A plug-in version of the Prius powered by lithium-ion batteries is expected in mid-2010.

According to Automotive News, the Toyota Sienna and the new Venza crossover are next on the list to get hybrid systems. Both hybrid models will arrive in 2012. 2012 will also be a big year for other models in the Toyota lineup.

A redesign of the Yaris, Camry, Avalon, RAV4 and a new rear-wheel-drive sports coupe will all arrive in 2012. In 2013, we’ll see a redesign of the Corolla and Matrix.

However we have some horrible news for you. If Automotive News is to be believed - and they mostly always are - the Supra has been dropped from Toyota’s production plans due to high mpg requirements.



speculation from the news media is STILL SPECULATION!

Shouldn't be a surprise though, Toyota is always about making a business case first & foremost. They don't build a car just for the sake of having it in the line-up & put profits over flash . . .

I was looking at an autotrader and found a 94' TT supra for sale. It only had 64k miles on it. It was said to be stock so I am wondering what the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times were for that car when it was released. Also, How limited in production and availability are they? They seem rather difficult to find as I look.

Why are 0-60 and quarter-mile times the first thing you ask about? There are LOTS more important things to be concerned with on a vehicle (especially a used one) than acceleration times.

In most cases, the main thing to look at is the physical condition of the specific car you're interested in. All kinds of problems can happen with a used car.

^^ well, it's a SPORTS car afterall he's looking at, yes, there are other criteria to consider, but why shouldn't speed be a top priority ?

^^ well, it's a SPORTS car afterall he's looking at, yes, there are other criteria to consider, but why shouldn't speed be a top priority ?

Because, like I indicated in the last post, a worn-out engine or transmission isn't going to give you much in the way of speed. The physical condition of the car is the most important thing...especially with used sports cars, which often have been driven hard and/or had abuse. You should check a used car out as much as possible with your eyes and ears, then (if desired) have a techincian look at it............THEN concern yourself with its performance figures.

You are free, of course, to disagree with me, but I see THIS order as top priority, not the reverse.

Because, like I indicated in the last post, a worn-out engine or transmission isn't going to give you much in the way of speed. The physical condition of the car is the most important thing...especially with used sports cars, which often have been driven hard and/or had abuse. You should check a used car out as much as possible with your eyes and ears, then (if desired) have a techincian look at it............THEN concern yourself with its performance figures.

You are free, of course, to disagree with me, but I see THIS order as top priority, not the reverse.
Checking for whether the car is in good shape applies to INDIVIDUAL used cars as you find them available in used lots. What he is asking is the 0-60 times of the car model when it's released-which apply to ALL samples in general, not individual car. So your answer to his post is not really talking about the same thing he is asking ;)

Checking for whether the car is in good shape applies to INDIVIDUAL used cars as you find them available in used lots. What he is asking is the 0-60 times of the car model when it's released-which apply to ALL samples in general, not individual car. So your answer to his post is not really talking about the same thing he is asking ;)

OK, not worth arguing about. Just my $.02.

For the record, though, I remember when the mid-90's Supras were new, though different magazines and test organizations got different times depending on conditions, in general, manual twin-turbo versions, stock, after break-in, usually did 0-60 between 5.0-5.5 seconds. Quarter-miles were around 13 seconds.

Shouldn't be a surprise though, Toyota is always about making a business case first & foremost. They don't build a car just for the sake of having it in the line-up & put profits over flash . . .

Making profits is all good, but it's just sad that the biggest and by far the richest car company in the world doesn't have a single fun car in its lineup.

So if this is true then Toyota is obviously content to continue to neglect the Asian car enthusiast sector and let it be entertained by Nissan and Mazda (and to a lesser extent Honda).

"The forecast for Toyota is dull with a 90% chance of totally boring. Back to you, Jim."

So if this is true then Toyota is obviously content to continue to neglect the Asian car enthusiast sector and let it be entertained by Nissan and Mazda (and to a lesser extent Honda).

"The forecast for Toyota is dull with a 90% chance of totally boring. Back to you, Jim."

AE86 successor anyone....?

Making profits is all good, but it's just sad that the biggest and by far the richest car company in the world doesn't have a single fun car in its lineup.

I guess IS-F isn't fun to you? :uh:

I guess IS-F isn't fun to you? :uh: Maybe he meant Toyota as in just Toyota & not Lexus/Scion.

Toyota Supra Dropped from Production Plans (http://www.egmcartech.com/2008/08/15/toyota-supra-dropped-from-production-plans-hybrid-venza-and-sienna-in-the-works/)

While GM is pushing forward with lithium-ion battery technology, Toyota will play it safe and move forward with nickel-metal hydride battery powered hybrids. Lithium-ion will come into play after the next-generation Prius makes its debut. A plug-in version of the Prius powered by lithium-ion batteries is expected in mid-2010.

According to Automotive News, the Toyota Sienna and the new Venza crossover are next on the list to get hybrid systems. Both hybrid models will arrive in 2012. 2012 will also be a big year for other models in the Toyota lineup.

A redesign of the Yaris, Camry, Avalon, RAV4 and a new rear-wheel-drive sports coupe will all arrive in 2012. In 2013, we’ll see a redesign of the Corolla and Matrix.

However we have some horrible news for you. If Automotive News is to be believed - and they mostly always are - the Supra has been dropped from Toyota’s production plans due to high mpg requirements.




noooooooooooo theres goes my FT-HS dream...........
ugh such a disappointing speculation
im just hoping its false

I guess IS-F isn't fun to you? :uh:

I did an IS-F review a few months ago. Its powertrain is responsive, yes.....especially starting at 3500-4000 RPM.......but, unless you are on a glass-smooth road, the suspension is far too stiff. Toyota/Lexus engineers simply cannot combine ride/handling and chassis dynamics the way that BMW and Mercedes engineers do by giving great handling without a bone-jarring ride.

I have seen this in other Toyota products as well (especially Supras and MR2s). Great handling, unlike BMW, usually goes with an overly-stiff ride.

Making profits is all good, but it's just sad that the biggest and by far the richest car company in the world doesn't have a single fun car in its lineup.

You don't find the 'S' version of the Corolla with it's plastic bits tacked on for oh, a good 10HP to be 'fun'? :D

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/573/2009_Toyota_Corolla_S.jpg
http://us.autos1.yimg.com/img.autos.yahoo.com/izp/toyota_corolla_s4spdat_2009_exterior_angularfront_ 640x480.jpg

I did an IS-F review a few months ago. Its powertrain is responsive, yes.....especially starting at 3500-4000 RPM.......but, unless you are on a glass-smooth road, the suspension is far too stiff. Toyota/Lexus engineers simply cannot combine ride/handling and chassis dynamics the way that BMW and Mercedes engineers do by giving great handling without a bone-jarring ride.

I have seen this in other Toyota products as well (especially Supras and MR2s). Great handling, unlike BMW, usually goes with an overly-stiff ride.

Different strokes for different folks i guess....maybe it's because I'm much younger than you, but after owning 2 Supra TT's, i found the ride to be one of the softest rides for a real sports car. My previous S2000 and especially my Evo was much more stiff....

You don't find the 'S' version of the Corolla with it's plastic bits tacked on for oh, a good 10HP to be 'fun'? :D



Did you mean the Corolla XRS?

Different strokes for different folks i guess....maybe it's because I'm much younger than you, but after owning 2 Supra TT's, i found the ride to be one of the softest rides for a real sports car. My previous S2000 and especially my Evo was much more stiff....

No arguments on the Evo (haven't driven an S2000 for a while). The Evo will shake your fillings out over bumps. Even auto enthusiast magazines like Car & Driver/Road & Track complain it is too stiff.

The front suspension on the IS-F wasn't quite the stiffest I've seen, but the rear suspension.....with the rear driveshafts and more unspring weight under it.....is stiff enough to make the rear end hop up and down over highway bumps like a porpoise; to the point of being skittish. It has almost no give at all.

I'm not a terribly big BMW fan, for a several reasons, but drive a couple of new (and not-so-new) ones and I think you'll agree that no one does steering/chassis/suspensions like they do, though a couple of other cars come close.

However we have some horrible news for you. If Automotive News is to be believed - and they mostly always are - the Supra has been dropped from Toyota’s production plans due to high mpg requirements.

I don't buy it. If thats the case than we can kiss all the Lexus hybrids good bye. They are probably just waiting for Li-Ion technology. And honestly, a 400 HP hybrid sports coupe is gonna be more efficient than an LX570, Land Cruiser, Sequioa, 4runner.

I always loved the Supra. Why is Toyota reluctant to bring out this Supra concept below? Stuff the engine bay with the 3.5 litre motor from the IS350 &/or V8 from the IS-F? Enthusiasts are craving for this..

http://www.emenki.com/cbe/images/2008ToyotaSupra.jpg

I always loved the Supra. Why is Toyota reluctant to bring out this Supra concept below? Stuff the engine bay with the 3.5 litre motor from the IS350 &/or V8 from the IS-F? Enthusiasts are craving for this..



That was Supra rumor #8736219347321 back. When I was an active part of Supra Forums, we had one owner who was in Toyota Marketing and he swore a replacement Supra was on its way. 9 years later, it's no where to be seen. Sometimes I wish the Z was such a huge runaway success, so that Toyco would answer back (that's usually their M.O.), but even popularity it's declining rapidly as much as the S2000. I believe the next "soul of a SUpra" (i doubt there will be another vehicle with a Supra badge) will probably come in the form of the IS Coupe....but we'll see.

That was Supra rumor #8736219347321 back. When I was an active part of Supra Forums, we had one owner who was in Toyota Marketing and he swore a replacement Supra was on its way. 9 years later, it's no where to be seen. Sometimes I wish the Z was such a huge runaway success, so that Toyco would answer back (that's usually their M.O.), but even popularity it's declining rapidly as much as the S2000. I believe the next "soul of a SUpra" (i doubt there will be another vehicle with a Supra badge) will probably come in the form of the IS Coupe....but we'll see.

you are probably right
better margins with IS Coupe than making a cheap toyota sports car