View Full Version : Damn, L-tuned Dead, TRD re-focusing


1SICKGOAT
12-03-02, 08:23 PM
Toyota Racing Development hits aftermarket slowdown, company scales back ambitions


By MARK RECHTIN | Automotive News


Toyota Racing Development used the 2000 Celica, above, to showcase its performance and appearance products. But the unit now is cutting back on spoilers, air dams and body kits.
LOS ANGELES -- Toyota has scaled back ambitions for its performance parts business.

Only two years ago, Toyota Racing Development's annual revenues were projected to soar to about $50 million by now. Instead, sales have risen to just over $20 million. Growth forecasts have been lowered to a still healthy but less ambitious 15 percent annually.

But Toyota is far from panicking. It said the slowdown was deliberate. Its big move was to cease carrying aerodynamic body part kits that are a big piece of the aftermarket, instead concentrating on street-legal performance parts for a more consistent image.

The company also abandoned its Kazuma line of racing products. And while its sizable display at the Specialty Equipment Market Association show in Las Vegas in November had plenty of vehicles, traffic appeared slow compared with that of other exhibitors.

It also appears that Toyota Racing Development has put Lexus L-Tuned underhood parts on the back burner. Eighteen months ago, executives predicted that supercharged versions of the Lexus IS 300 and GS 300 would be in showrooms within months. It never happened.

A Toyota product-planning source said L-Tuned vehicles were "basically dead."

"Our aftermarket business was expanding rapidly a couple years ago, and while it continues to grow, we have deliberately narrowed our focus," said David Wilson, Toyota Racing Development's vice president of sales and administration. He claims the unit's business is "healthier than ever."

Wilson said Toyota Racing Development felt its supercharger research and sales should be aimed at a broader consumer market, such as the Tundra pickup and outgoing 4Runner sport-utility. A supercharger for the Matrix also is on the way.

But outsiders feel that Toyota Racing Development's slow pace may have more to do with the dowdy image of its parent company. It's hard to sell high-performance parts when your demographic doesn't buy into that sort of thing.

"Toyota got into performance a little late, when its image had already been solidified in a conservative envelope," said Todd Turner, analyst with Car Concepts in Thousand Oaks, Calif. "The base architecture and fundamentals of the cars are sound, but the excitement of the brand is lacking.

"Getting people to see Toyota as something other than a safe choice, they'll have to invest more and get the word out better. It doesn't help that they killed the Supra," Turner said.

Toyota also may be confronting some generational resistance, in that younger buyers traditionally are the ones who modify their vehicles and Toyota customers have aged beyond that demographic boundary, said Joe Ivers, partner with J.D. Power and Associates' office in Troy, Mich.

So why did Toyota stop selling aerodynamic kits when they did such strong business? The cost of designing and holding in inventory all the various rocker panels and valences was too expensive for an operation of Toyota Racing Development's size. Instead, the unit is focusing on performance shocks, brakes, springs and superchargers, said Jim Aust, Toyota Racing Development president.

"It is getting increasingly difficult in this business," Aust said. "Technology changes so fast. You have to be spot-on."

He thinks Toyota Racing Development may have been too aggressive in its growth plans in the past.

As for killing Kazuma, Toyota decided that the parts lineup was not deep enough to justify the expense required to sustain the brand, Wilson said. Those Kazuma products already released were shifted to Toyota Racing Development's "Sport Part" line.

Bringing back Kazuma is a possibility once the unit gets better footing, Wilson said.

Contrary to some industry theories, no Toyota Racing Development resources have been put toward the fledgling Scion youth brand, even though Scion bbX show cars were abundant at the SEMA show. Although Toyota Racing Development communicates with Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A. Inc., it does not take orders from the sales arm.

"We will make go-fast parts for Scion, but we don't respond to Toyota saying, 'Make this.' We look at the business case first," said Gary Boler, Toyota Racing Development senior manager of sales and marketing.

Carl Sheffer, vice president of OEM relations for SEMA, said that some customers may want the reassurance of a Toyota badge on their add-on products, but there is no way Toyota Racing Development can match the speed and agility of smaller independent companies in hitting market trends. Given the access their dealer body provides, Toyota can get a piece of the action, but never the lion's share, because most consumers prefer to chart their own course with modifications.

"Exterior and interior treatments are very individualistic," Sheffer said. "The size and complexity of some systems does not lend itself to short (production) runs by a big company. And 99 percent of our member companies can beat the automaker at a price point.".

Counters Wilson: "Our customers have higher expectations. It's forced us to elevate our game."



Damn

:(

AdrianXT
12-03-02, 08:56 PM
Stupid Toyota. Face it. We will never have anything better than a V8 GS as far as performance goes...:( :( :(

GlobeCLK
12-03-02, 08:56 PM
of course they screwed up by killing the Supra.


TRD really did a poor job on supporting L-Tuned with anticipated parts like the supercharger.

1SICKGOAT
12-03-02, 09:24 PM
Yeah, I got mad sources saying a supercharged IS 300 L-tuned LAST MAY, it never happened.

Unless they let TTE do their tuning. I guess the I-6 is a gonna, possibly the greatest engine of all time.

Now, I gotta get these ******* L-tuned stickers off my car

1loudlex
12-04-02, 12:02 AM
To bad no one listened to me about a couple of months ago when I told you all this.. ( L- Tuned going under) But noooo, everyone already knows everything..:mad: :rolleyes: I think that people should listen before they comment on things and just take advice.. Sorry to sound like an A@@, i just hate people who think they know everything.

Adam " Leixst "

Manaray
12-04-02, 01:55 AM
Toyota/TRD/L-Tuned put in a half-assed effort and they got a half-assed response...did they really think that it would "blow up" when their offereing wasn't really anything? The add-ons should have been a $1000 "sport package" upgrade...

Lexus just doesn't care...

nudderGS400
12-04-02, 10:15 PM
How did they expect to grow to $50 million when the majority of their dealers refuse to put on even the simplest L_tuned part? I had the service manager literally laughing when I was explaining how they could just replace the inards of the rear with a TRD LSD. He said no way in h@#ll.

My Lex dealer said they couldn't even order the parts for me. Look at us. The majority of us order from a Toyota dealer in CA!

What did Toyota/Lexus expect?

It would be a different story if they outfitted a L-tuned from the factory and actually offered it through the dealerships. Could you imagine the Car & Driver write-up for a fully tuned GS? Sways, exhaust, rims/tires, STB, body kit, LCB and steering ECU would have raised some awareness (eyebrows). Not even with the Toms or SRT stuff on it! Too bad.

Oh well, XEROX invented the PC and never did anything with it. I wonder if David Wilson or some of the other execs came from Xerox?

Ahhhh, I feel better now...:rolleyes:

Manaray
12-05-02, 05:30 AM
^^ Exactly...unfortuantely, sometimes, big wigs at corporations want to see results before they put forth any effort...which is COMPLETLY STUPID in my opinion. The company need to full back the project to make sure that something comes of it...not just sit back so they can say "told you so"...Toyota/Lexus strikes me as the type of company that would need proof before they put forth REAL effort...

Well if anyone from Toyota/Lexus is reading this...BMW M and Mercedes AMG **IS** PROOF. LUXURY OWNERS WANT PERFORMANCE TOO. Half-assed attempts like L-Tuned is NOTHING BUT A SLAP IN THE FACE TO THE CONSUMER.

Don't be so conservative. Mercedes and BMW know the secrets...IMAGE IS EVERYTHING. PERCEPTION IS REALITY. How do you think they retain their buyers even though they sell COMPLETELY SUB-PAR automobiles? People don't just want safety and reliability, they want performance and looks. And judging by Mercedes and BMW buyers, performance and looks are more important.

Now imagine if Lexus was able to deliver ALL OF IT? All for a reasonable price (because we know Toyota can)...put M3/M5 to shame...put the AMG to shame...make Lexus owners proud...make Mercedes and BMW owners second guess their purchases...

Of course, Toyota/Lexus might be happy exactly where they are and they just don't give a rat's ass...:rolleyes:

J.P.
12-05-02, 08:30 AM
I posted a while back about an l-tuned IS I seen at the dealer, the add on package was $10,000 for like wheels, body kit, what else? add on some serious performance mods for $10,000, supercharger, big brakes...

carnal_c30
12-05-02, 08:47 AM
remember when benz was the stuffiest old mans car??? look at whats happened... I see Lexus and now its the stuffy old mans car (sorta) its kind of sad... Lexus has great engines, great performance potential yet they just dont want to do enough work to actually make decent upgrade... if they had put more effort into the program I'm sure they would have had much more favorable results but throwing a bunch of junk on the market isnt going to change the image of Lexus

DROD2045
12-05-02, 01:43 PM
Originally posted by 1SICKLEX


Now, I gotta get these ******* L-tuned stickers off my car

never shoulda had stickers on in the first place :D clean and mean is best! :cool:

Iceman
12-09-02, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by nudderGS400
It would be a different story if they outfitted a L-tuned from the factory and actually offered it through the dealerships.

No, because that's actually how they started out. Apparently the L-Tuned cars sat on the lots because no one wanted to pay that much more for the mods. The IS still comes from the factory L-Tuned (well, at least as of a few months ago) and supposedly there was more interest in that than the GS, but still not enough to make dealers want to order lots of them.

GlobeCLK
12-09-02, 04:43 PM
Originally posted by Iceman


No, because that's actually how they started out. Apparently the L-Tuned cars sat on the lots because no one wanted to pay that much more for the mods. The IS still comes from the factory L-Tuned (well, at least as of a few months ago) and supposedly there was more interest in that than the GS, but still not enough to make dealers want to order lots of them.

People just don't want the whole package out of the dealership. That takes the fun out of modding cars.

You buy a C32 from the dealer is different from buying a C320 and taking it to AMG for mods :D

AdrianXT
12-09-02, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by GlobeCLK


People just don't want the whole package out of the dealership. That takes the fun out of modding cars.

You buy a C32 from the dealer is different from buying a C320 and taking it to AMG for mods :D

That's a really good point. On another note, the new Tundra Stepside TRD Sport is a really nice piece of work. :cool: :cool: :cool:

Iceman
12-10-02, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by GlobeCLK


People just don't want the whole package out of the dealership. That takes the fun out of modding cars.

You buy a C32 from the dealer is different from buying a C320 and taking it to AMG for mods :D

Now I'm a little confused. Who takes their C320 to AMG for mods? By this logic L-Tuned should be making a killing because it is no longer available from the factory, only aftermarket.

And I count myself part of the at least 95% of the public that neither mods their cars nor wants to--I want it perfect off the lot. I was happy with the performance of my M Roadster, I like the L-Tuned stuff that I got installed before delivery, but I would never have ANYTHING touched after-the-fact. No clear lenses, flurourescent-painted calipers, unecessary metal rods across the engine bay, etc.

Kaban
12-10-02, 06:47 PM
The way this is going GS430 will actually increase in value a few year from now. As it will still be the fastest Lexus in it's model lineup even after 5 years later. :D

hmm...maybe I will keep my GS430 a few years longer now. ;)

1SICKGOAT
12-10-02, 06:56 PM
And I count myself part of the at least 95% of the public that neither mods their cars nor wants to--I want it perfect off the lot. I was happy with the performance of my M Roadster, I like the L-Tuned stuff that I got installed before delivery, but I would never have ANYTHING touched after-the-fact. No clear lenses, flurourescent-painted calipers, unecessary metal rods across the engine bay, etc.

And most people are like that. I don't think L-tuned got any PRESS or advertising either. Hardly any in magazines and no ads. It's Lexus own fault.

Iceman
12-10-02, 07:31 PM
Yes, I completely agree that Lexus marketing did a TERRIBLE job with L-Tuned. The last time I was in for service I was looking at the brochures in the waiting area. In addition to each of the model folders they had pamphlets on accessories, extended warranties, and the Mark Levinson line. There actually was a little blip about L-Tuned in the GS accessory book, but you really wouldn't find it unless you were looking for it (like I was). I never saw any TV or print advertising for L-Tuned. I wonder if they really expected it to just become an overnight sensation on its own?

GlobeCLK
12-10-02, 08:49 PM
Originally posted by Iceman


Now I'm a little confused. Who takes their C320 to AMG for mods? By this logic L-Tuned should be making a killing because it is no longer available from the factory, only aftermarket.



Long before AMG models were offered from dealerships (talkin like 6~7 years ago) people would get their Mercedes and bring them to AMG in Costa Mesa, CA for mods. I knew someone who got a SL500 and dropped it off at AMG for a few weeks for bodykits rims and some other things.

I don't know if people still do things like that today, as AMG-loaded MBs can be bought directly from the dealer. However I believe AMG can still do consumer mods. If I'm looking for a C32 I would probably just bring it to AMG for the Supercharger but get other brand wheels and kit. Just dont' wanna be the next same-old C32 that rolls off the lot (but the C32 is great looking from the factory already)

1SICKGOAT
12-10-02, 09:58 PM
Globe, from my understanding, AMG was bought by Mercedes back in 1992 or something. Their first car was the C32. Any modding additionally has to be done by Hamman or Lorinser etc etc.

1SICKGOAT
10-16-03, 11:25 AM
Crap.

Richie
10-16-03, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
Globe, from my understanding, AMG was bought by Mercedes back in 1992 or something. Their first car was the C32. Any modding additionally has to be done by Hamman or Lorinser etc etc.

It is true that AMG is now owned by the DaimlerChrysler.
If you have enough cash you can still get custom stuff done at AMG in germany. For example the C43 was the official AMG version but there have als been some "one off" C55's with the E55 engine.
Also custom interiour and upgrades can be done if pockets are deep enough.
I am not sure this can be done in the US but I am sure it's done at the German HQ.
I have a AMG promotional vid somewhere from 1 or 2 years ago showing it.

brendanlim
10-16-03, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
Crap.

Big CRAP.

I need two L-Tuned badges (got 1 -- thanks Manuel!) -- and Steve doesn't carry them anymore ;(

shftup
10-18-03, 10:23 AM
If my memory is correct, the C36 AMG, was the first True AMG out there. Had an AMG hand built 6cyc, that had something like 260hp, with 265torque..........came with 17" monobocks...very cool car.


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Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
Globe, from my understanding, AMG was bought by Mercedes back in 1992 or something. Their first car was the C32. Any modding additionally has to be done by Hamman or Lorinser etc etc.
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It is true that AMG is now owned by the DaimlerChrysler.
If you have enough cash you can still get custom stuff done at AMG in germany. For example the C43 was the official AMG version but there have als been some "one off" C55's with the E55 engine.
Also custom interiour and upgrades can be done if pockets are deep enough.
I am not sure this can be done in the US but I am sure it's done at the German HQ.
I have a AMG promotional vid somewhere from 1 or 2 years ago showing it.

Goldark
10-18-03, 05:37 PM
is this a good thing performance wise?
more superchargers?
what?

Lexkost
10-18-03, 05:51 PM
Looks like TOM'S has gone belly-up also!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I tried to buy some things on internet and saleguy told me this..........................

Richie
10-19-03, 03:41 AM
Originally posted by Lexkost
Looks like TOM'S has gone belly-up also!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I tried to buy some things on internet and saleguy told me this..........................

That would suck!!:(

GS4fun
10-19-03, 10:28 AM
It was just a matter of time.....:egads:

asnatlas
10-19-03, 11:49 AM
Originally posted by GS4fun
It was just a matter of time.....:egads:

Damn so L-tuned is really dead now ??? I see this was first posted almost a yr ago...

Shawn

TGRich
10-19-03, 05:53 PM
Someone needs to send this thread to Lexus/Toyota corporate so they can get a hint.

Richie
10-20-03, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by tggoodrich
Someone needs to send this thread to Lexus/Toyota corporate so they can get a hint.

Good plan!!

1SICKGOAT
11-17-07, 05:14 PM
BUMP!!

Well guys/gals, lets hope "F-sport" does a lot better!

Stage3
11-17-07, 05:42 PM
Stupid Toyota. Face it. We will never have anything better than a V8 GS as far as performance goes...:( :( :(

I wonder if this guy is eating that tasty crow...:rolleyes:


:slap:

doug_999
11-17-07, 05:47 PM
I wonder if this guy is eating that tasty crow...:rolleyes:
:slap:

Yea, FIVE+ YEARS LATER - boy they sure did show him eh? Oh wait, it isn't out yet is it?

jmd93
11-17-07, 07:39 PM
all i wanted was that trd turbocharger? i think for the lx470, but no, now u can't even buy them

PureDrifter
11-17-07, 07:51 PM
all i wanted was that trd turbocharger? i think for the lx470, but no, now u can't even buy them
its a supercharger and its theres a BNIB kit on ebay or IH8MUD every couple months.


wish F-Sport would make stuff for the masses of Lexus out there with the UZ series engine :(

RA40
11-17-07, 08:22 PM
Our aging LS4's aren't prime for RD anymore. Maybe the 430's but we're ancient history for tuning market products. :( TRD Japan had some nice products way back...I wish that they would recognize the tuning market for the states.

Stage3
11-17-07, 09:06 PM
Yea, FIVE+ YEARS LATER - boy they sure did show him eh? Oh wait, it isn't out yet is it?

Time still passes regardless if they actually do anything about it... Regardless if it 5 years or 50 years... they revived it. And it is out... just not available for purchase... The last I checked, the IS-F is going for sale soon along with the slew of parts thats are already being produced...

Your post = Open mouth, insert both feet.
:egads:

Coco-bun
11-17-07, 10:39 PM
what about Tom's?
http://www.tomsracing.co.jp/product/img_compresser/image/gs_430.jpg
^supercharged GS

timer00
11-18-07, 05:29 AM
Looks like TOM'S has gone belly-up also!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I tried to buy some things on internet and saleguy told me this..........................

I tried to order a Tom's Upper Strut Bar for my LS and the lowly Radiator Cap guy tells me a week and half later (after saying they have to be ordered from Japan etc.) that the strut bar was discontinued.. I am like ok give me the cap!!!! arghhhhhhhhh!

This was of course from L-tuned parts website

doug_999
11-18-07, 06:47 AM
Time still passes regardless if they actually do anything about it... Regardless if it 5 years or 50 years... they revived it. And it is out... just not available for purchase... The last I checked, the IS-F is going for sale soon along with the slew of parts thats are already being produced...

Your post = Open mouth, insert both feet.
:egads:

Yes, to say that something will never happen is wrong (and note, I did not say it - so your apology is accepted). But give the guy a break, he said it five years ago and you and I both know it should not have taken Toyota this long to come out with this car.