ChronoJ1
06-26-03, 06:26 PM
I desperately need help as to how to solve a problem I have.
Here's the story.
I came across a T&E Vertex body kit for SC3/400. The starting bid was 1000. I e-mailed the seller to ask whether he would take 1450 dollars for the kit including shipping before the bidding closes. I got his e-mail in less than an hour and he was down for the deal.
I sent him the money through paypal (June 2nd), and was promised that I'd get a tracking number the next day. Guess what. I got an e-mail saying that the kit he has wouldn't fit my car but only 97+ SCs. WHAT? The description on e-bay add says it is for 92 - 00! But I went easy on him and agreed to wait for another T&E kit that was on the way from Japan. Since I never had done transaction over the internet with such large sum of money, I was very anxious and e-mailed him almost every day. And of course I asked him whether he was sending me a VIS kit or not. And his answer was that he wasn't even aware of a company named 'VIS Racing'
Here's one of our numerous e-mail conversation.
Hey Kerry,
Just wanted to get some more info... So, what exactly is different between pre-97 between 97+ vertex kits. I mean the 97+ kit should fit onto my car without a problem right? Also, this is not a Vis Vertex, but real JDM T&E vertex kit, right? Thanks.
His response.
the difference is the front bumper and the rear bumper, where the front bumper attaches to the body the bolts are positioned differently, also the fog lights on the 97 and up are bigger, so they are positioned on a different place, the kit i have at home will not fit thats why im having your cars year shipped to you, the frieght alone takes a week to ship and the prep i spoke of is clearing the kit through american customs when it comes over on the container from japan, the vertex t&e is the kit you are recieving i dont know what vis vertex is, my boxes say carmake t&e vertex on them, and that is what you should recieve. so the eta on this thing is about 14 to 21 days straight from japan, i was going to send you mine until i found out this wont even bolt up! and you would have to replace your whole reinforcement system to get it to fit, just be patient and ill have you good to go, oh here goes the pics of my old paint and kit, note that the engine is a 2jz-gte twin turbo YEAH! just so you know, im workin on a 1jz in my garage with a turbo kit, i just finished stripping the turbos off of it, so if you are interested in an engine swap let me know and ill keep you in mind when the engine is comletely revamped! thanks for the biz and ill keep you updated.
He was so concerned with my thinking that he's a scammer, he told me numerous times he's selling me the real stuff and how he's in the army so he won't lie.
the process is very complicated and expensive, and the problem was that i had 3 whole kits at my home when i listed it on ebay, two of them were bought within the 10 day listing (why people never bid i dont know) and the kit i have left over is the 97and up kit, i understand that you made an appointment and that it will have to be rescheduled, my apoligieg but i had no ideah that you r car would be a younger year, put it this way, you would much rather wait the coulple weeks to get the right kit than get the wrong kit any day (to redo a 94 to a 97 and up requires an extra 12-1700 dollars in parts and then theres the labor, dude i just sold a 6000 turbo kit for the acura rsx on ebay, you think you are nervous! he sent 3100 for the kit throught paypal!, i understand that the wait is long and unplanned but thats what has to happen, also the paypal system will allow me to refund money for 30 days after a transaction, so if you havent gotten your kit by that long amount of time i can just refund the money! but im sure everything will be fine. i have excellent feedback on ebay, you have my home address full name and both numbers , im a soldier in the army and tuning is my partime business, so be at ease that i am not gonna scam you (thats not enough money to go to jail over!) lol. ill keep you updated on the progress of your shipment. kerry hughley
Well, after numerous more e-mail exchanges and phone calls, yesterday the kit finally arrived at the bodyshop I directed him to send to. I WAS IN SHOCK! There was a big print on the box reading 'VIS' The kit had numerous cracks and uneven surfaces, and for some reason it was already primered.
I tried calling this SOB, but he won't pick up the phone. I e-mailed him about the situation and this is the answer I got.
dude first i didnt send you anything and i didnt order you a vis kit, i orsered the same kit i have on my sc, its not cheap its 1200 straight from japan, i made 200 dollars when i sold you the kit, and i paid 50 for the customs fees!!!! vis racing doesent even have a kit on thier web page for the sc i just looked, my kit isnt cracked at all! ill call the company to see whether they ****ed up or what since first my boxes say vertex, not vis i didnt order a kit from vis racing!!!, i call and see what the **** is up, dude i didnt scam you at all, you never asked my was it vis or not, i didnt even know who they were till now! give me some time to get to the bottom of this crap and send me some pics of the kit and stuff so i can rip off someones head at the wholesale office, and when i just called vis racing thier kit is 749 plus shipping! so i am in no way scamming you , im just mad because the product sucks, tell me what is wrong withh it and let me get to the bottom of it. kerry
Just an hour ago, I got a hold of him through his home phone, and again, he gave me all this BS about how the Japanese bodykit company messed up. I asked him for a full refund so I can send the kit to his place at my own cost, but he denied. I asked him for the phone number of the company and stupidly enough he did give me the number and told me he would first call him and give me a call back in 15 minutes.
30 minutes passed, and I called the company myself. As I imagined, it was a company located in California that sold VIS and Wings West bodykits. I talked to this nice guy named Richard, and I told him the whole story. He was in shock too. This SOB, Kerry, payed 700 dollars for a vis Kit, and put it on ebay as T&E kit, and lied to be all along.
40 minutes passed, and there was a call from Kerry. He gave me the same BS. I told him to shut up for a moment and listen. "I just talked to a guy at this bodykit company. If you don't give me a refund by 9 pm easter time through paypal, I'm going to have your ass tracked down and f$#k your credit up." And he said, "Aight" and cut me off.
It's 9:20 pm and havne't gotten my money back.
WHAT SHOULD I DO? I have he e-mails, cell phone number, home phone number, address, invoice from the bodykit company, etc. I just filed an electronic complaint to paypal, but I don't think I'll ever get an answer in near future. Plus I had 1000 word limit.
I desperately need help.
Here's the story.
I came across a T&E Vertex body kit for SC3/400. The starting bid was 1000. I e-mailed the seller to ask whether he would take 1450 dollars for the kit including shipping before the bidding closes. I got his e-mail in less than an hour and he was down for the deal.
I sent him the money through paypal (June 2nd), and was promised that I'd get a tracking number the next day. Guess what. I got an e-mail saying that the kit he has wouldn't fit my car but only 97+ SCs. WHAT? The description on e-bay add says it is for 92 - 00! But I went easy on him and agreed to wait for another T&E kit that was on the way from Japan. Since I never had done transaction over the internet with such large sum of money, I was very anxious and e-mailed him almost every day. And of course I asked him whether he was sending me a VIS kit or not. And his answer was that he wasn't even aware of a company named 'VIS Racing'
Here's one of our numerous e-mail conversation.
Hey Kerry,
Just wanted to get some more info... So, what exactly is different between pre-97 between 97+ vertex kits. I mean the 97+ kit should fit onto my car without a problem right? Also, this is not a Vis Vertex, but real JDM T&E vertex kit, right? Thanks.
His response.
the difference is the front bumper and the rear bumper, where the front bumper attaches to the body the bolts are positioned differently, also the fog lights on the 97 and up are bigger, so they are positioned on a different place, the kit i have at home will not fit thats why im having your cars year shipped to you, the frieght alone takes a week to ship and the prep i spoke of is clearing the kit through american customs when it comes over on the container from japan, the vertex t&e is the kit you are recieving i dont know what vis vertex is, my boxes say carmake t&e vertex on them, and that is what you should recieve. so the eta on this thing is about 14 to 21 days straight from japan, i was going to send you mine until i found out this wont even bolt up! and you would have to replace your whole reinforcement system to get it to fit, just be patient and ill have you good to go, oh here goes the pics of my old paint and kit, note that the engine is a 2jz-gte twin turbo YEAH! just so you know, im workin on a 1jz in my garage with a turbo kit, i just finished stripping the turbos off of it, so if you are interested in an engine swap let me know and ill keep you in mind when the engine is comletely revamped! thanks for the biz and ill keep you updated.
He was so concerned with my thinking that he's a scammer, he told me numerous times he's selling me the real stuff and how he's in the army so he won't lie.
the process is very complicated and expensive, and the problem was that i had 3 whole kits at my home when i listed it on ebay, two of them were bought within the 10 day listing (why people never bid i dont know) and the kit i have left over is the 97and up kit, i understand that you made an appointment and that it will have to be rescheduled, my apoligieg but i had no ideah that you r car would be a younger year, put it this way, you would much rather wait the coulple weeks to get the right kit than get the wrong kit any day (to redo a 94 to a 97 and up requires an extra 12-1700 dollars in parts and then theres the labor, dude i just sold a 6000 turbo kit for the acura rsx on ebay, you think you are nervous! he sent 3100 for the kit throught paypal!, i understand that the wait is long and unplanned but thats what has to happen, also the paypal system will allow me to refund money for 30 days after a transaction, so if you havent gotten your kit by that long amount of time i can just refund the money! but im sure everything will be fine. i have excellent feedback on ebay, you have my home address full name and both numbers , im a soldier in the army and tuning is my partime business, so be at ease that i am not gonna scam you (thats not enough money to go to jail over!) lol. ill keep you updated on the progress of your shipment. kerry hughley
Well, after numerous more e-mail exchanges and phone calls, yesterday the kit finally arrived at the bodyshop I directed him to send to. I WAS IN SHOCK! There was a big print on the box reading 'VIS' The kit had numerous cracks and uneven surfaces, and for some reason it was already primered.
I tried calling this SOB, but he won't pick up the phone. I e-mailed him about the situation and this is the answer I got.
dude first i didnt send you anything and i didnt order you a vis kit, i orsered the same kit i have on my sc, its not cheap its 1200 straight from japan, i made 200 dollars when i sold you the kit, and i paid 50 for the customs fees!!!! vis racing doesent even have a kit on thier web page for the sc i just looked, my kit isnt cracked at all! ill call the company to see whether they ****ed up or what since first my boxes say vertex, not vis i didnt order a kit from vis racing!!!, i call and see what the **** is up, dude i didnt scam you at all, you never asked my was it vis or not, i didnt even know who they were till now! give me some time to get to the bottom of this crap and send me some pics of the kit and stuff so i can rip off someones head at the wholesale office, and when i just called vis racing thier kit is 749 plus shipping! so i am in no way scamming you , im just mad because the product sucks, tell me what is wrong withh it and let me get to the bottom of it. kerry
Just an hour ago, I got a hold of him through his home phone, and again, he gave me all this BS about how the Japanese bodykit company messed up. I asked him for a full refund so I can send the kit to his place at my own cost, but he denied. I asked him for the phone number of the company and stupidly enough he did give me the number and told me he would first call him and give me a call back in 15 minutes.
30 minutes passed, and I called the company myself. As I imagined, it was a company located in California that sold VIS and Wings West bodykits. I talked to this nice guy named Richard, and I told him the whole story. He was in shock too. This SOB, Kerry, payed 700 dollars for a vis Kit, and put it on ebay as T&E kit, and lied to be all along.
40 minutes passed, and there was a call from Kerry. He gave me the same BS. I told him to shut up for a moment and listen. "I just talked to a guy at this bodykit company. If you don't give me a refund by 9 pm easter time through paypal, I'm going to have your ass tracked down and f$#k your credit up." And he said, "Aight" and cut me off.
It's 9:20 pm and havne't gotten my money back.
WHAT SHOULD I DO? I have he e-mails, cell phone number, home phone number, address, invoice from the bodykit company, etc. I just filed an electronic complaint to paypal, but I don't think I'll ever get an answer in near future. Plus I had 1000 word limit.
I desperately need help.