http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=6&u=/ap/20030927/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_protests

What a mess.

An estimated 1,200 demonstrated in Brussels, while about 400 people marched through downtown Berlin. In Stockholm, police said about 250 people staged a demonstration.

it would be if more people showed up to it than a aerosmith concert.

They don't ***** like that when there's a natural disaster and we give them aid. Who gives us aid every tornado season? Did they help recovering Isabel victims? :nono:

Kinda sad really. There were more people cheering for Randy Couture last night at the Mandalay Bay than protesting.

You're comparing a protest of political activism to a rock concert and a boxing fight? An entertainment venue that people are so engaged in that they pay money to attend? That's a rather unfair comparison. How motivated must you be to stage a rally in a cause you believe in? I don't see you all gathering in 9/11 Remberance vigils, yet you are all so "touched" by that event, or so you claim. Well imagine how "touched" others are when they have the motivation to go out and march for their beliefs.

Still, these protests are minor compared to the millions that marched against the war in the Spring of 2003. You probably never heard of them, but millions took to the streets worldwide. Two million in England, two million in Spain, three million in Italy, half a million in Austrailia, half a million in Germany, half a million in New York, 250,000 in San Francisco, I could go on....

When I was in Greece, I saw grafitti spray painted in red all over Athens that said "GO HOME KILLERS" and "KILLERS GO HOME". I assumed it was directed at the Turks or the Albanians, until I asked my friend one day and he told me it was aimed at Americans for the Iraq War. There is a lot of resentment worldwide for Americans. You don't see it because national governments supress it, media supresses it, and national governments give their red stamp approval, while the people of the government are silenced. But believe me, lots of people dislike America right now. I resent Bush for attaching such a stigma and hatred to the idea of "American". Without Bush, that negative connotation would not exist. The world cried for us on 9/11, and in two years Bush has turned the tables. The world resents us and the international camraderie we once enjoyed is all but dissolved.

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You're comparing a protest of political activism to a rock concert and a boxing fight? An entertainment venue that people are so engaged in that they pay money to attend?
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Yep.



Those people payed for the chance to be there, this was a freebie and they still didn't show.

Originally posted by onelasttry
Yep.



Those people payed for the chance to be there, this was a freebie and they still didn't show.

I think you're confusing the nature of both events. People go to concerts and boxing matches to have a good time experiencing one of their hobbies live. Protests are gatherings of people who are angry and wish to demonstrate their disapproval for something they see as wrong. It's not fun and games.

Protests are based on beliefs. Everyone has a beliefs. So tell me when's the last time you protested something? Or attended a peace vigil for 9/11? Not motivated enough? Well I'm guilty of the same crime. It takes a lot of motivation to drive out to one! Can you imagine the parking??? I think 20,000 people is still a respectable crowd. Can anyone on CL muster up an equal anti-protestor protest? Or a support-the-troops demonstration? I hope you've gained a higher appreciation for even minor protest numbers now that we know none of us can do any better.

Just compare to CL, we have how many tens of thousands of members on ClubLexus? And how many people attended our collective regional meets in 2003? 250? 200 of which are from California alone? What percentage of the whole community is that? What percentage here are Lexus enthusiests but are not motivated enough to drive to a Lexus enthusiest meet as close as five miles away.

I think your confusing the fact that noone cared about the protests and that's the point. The we have this outrageously biased website making it sound like another "we are the world" reunion. 22k people out of the whole world decided it was worth showing up to.

Let me do the honors...........................:woo:

Originally posted by onelasttry
I think your confusing the fact that noone cared about the protests and that's the point.

I care, someone else cared enough to make a thread out of it, you obviously cared enough to respond to it, millions of people cared enough to stage anti-war protests, the media cared enough to report on them, so who is really confused here? ;)

Originally posted by onelasttry
The we have this outrageously biased website making it sound like another "we are the world" reunion. 22k people out of the whole world decided it was worth showing up to.

The Associated Press is "outrageously biased"??? Wow, that's the first time I've heard a claim like that. Please enlighten me....

Noone has been able to yet, i'm not interested in the job of trying ;)
Please enlighten me....

Okay so then you can't explain to me why you made the baseless claim that Associated Press is "outrageously biased". That's what I thought :).

PS: "No one" is two words.

Originally posted by lex400sc
PS: "No one" is two words.


Originally posted by lex400sc
Everyone has a beliefs.

...and "beliefs" as used above should be in the singular "belief" or should have been used in it's plural form without the "a".

My point to lex400sc, you can do better than picking out minor spelling issues, especially on posts of the moderator of this forum. You had no problem understanding what he meant to say and your post was merely meant to be hurtful and antagonistic.

No I was not trying to be antagonistic, I was pointing it out as an aside because he typed "noone" twice in two posts. If it was a single mistype, such as "a beliefs" then I would not have given it a second thought (as I often don't). I was just pointing out the proper grammar because I thought that was his normal way of typing the two words. Anyway, I think this whole thread has become antagonistic just by reviewing all the preceeding posts. It seems like the fact that I take the unpopular viewpoint makes me out to be the antagonist because people have a problem with diversity of opinions. But now that I have two S-mods on my back, I guess I'll just bow out of this thread... :(

Originally posted by onelasttry
I think your confusing the fact that noone cared about the protests and that's the point. The we have this outrageously biased website making it sound like another "we are the world" reunion. 22k people out of the whole world decided it was worth showing up to.

Let me do the honors...........................:woo:


lol:rockon:

Originally posted by lex400sc
You're comparing a protest of political activism to a rock concert and a boxing fight? An entertainment venue that people are so engaged in that they pay money to attend? That's a rather unfair comparison. How motivated must you be to stage a rally in a cause you believe in? I don't see you all gathering in 9/11 Remberance vigils, yet you are all so "touched" by that event, or so you claim. Well imagine how "touched" others are when they have the motivation to go out and march for their beliefs.


Can't say better :thumbup:

I attended an anti-war protest, when they pathetic little anti-war terrorists were trying to block the street I took my 3/4 ton GMC and drive right through it blasting toby keith. I think I clipped a couple who were acting tough too, they smudged up my freshly waxed paint. If they didn't like the war, maybe they should do something about it. Standing your jobless ass out on the street with a stupid trendy saying wasn't getting them anything but a bad name. And a news flash for lex400sc, PEOPLE DIDN'T LIKE THE US BEFORE THE WAR!!! Who cares what the other countries think, without us, they would be even poorer, sicker, and and even more ass-backwards.

Originally posted by SDuquette
I attended an anti-war protest, when they pathetic little anti-war terrorists were trying to block the street I took my 3/4 ton GMC and drive right through it blasting toby keith. I think I clipped a couple who were acting tough too, they smudged up my freshly waxed paint. If they didn't like the war, maybe they should do something about it. Standing your jobless ass out on the street with a stupid trendy saying wasn't getting them anything but a bad name.

Okay, because protestors were marching around on a street for a few hours on a Sunday, they are all somehow jobless? And because they protest, they are trendy? Funny I didn't know being anti-war was a hip thing in the United States? :rolleyes: Certainly not here on CL. Also, the protests we were referring to were 100% legal, all the paperwork filed with the city, no traffic obstruction, no police arrests, and no incidents. It's unwise to take one protest gone awry and make a blanket statement about all protests. How would you like it if a foreigner judged all Americans by the actions of Charles Manson and Ted Kaczynski?

Originally posted by SDuquette
And a news flash for lex400sc, PEOPLE DIDN'T LIKE THE US BEFORE THE WAR!!! Who cares what the other countries think, without us, they would be even poorer, sicker, and and even more ass-backwards.

The difference is that before, only extremists hated us. We now have a much larger group of people that despise and distrust us. And after 9/11, we had the full support and condolences of all of Europe, Asia, and the Americas. What has become of that camraderie since then? What has become of our credibility since then? What happens when we really need help from other nations one day?

Originally posted by SDuquette
Who cares what the other countries think

You obviously learned nothing from 9/11.

Originally posted by SDuquette
without us, they would be even poorer, sicker, and and even more ass-backwards.

It's odd that you think that.

Originally posted by lex400sc
Okay, because protestors were marching around on a street for a few hours on a Sunday, they are all somehow jobless? And because they protest, they are trendy? Funny I didn't know being anti-war was a hip thing in the United States? :rolleyes: Certainly not here on CL. Also, the protests we were referring to were 100% legal, all the paperwork filed with the city, no traffic obstruction, no police arrests, and no incidents.

Not sure which protests you were at, but the anti-war protests here covered several days, and were unruly, people were hurt, and everyday the police were having to regulate what went on. They were harassing people that were out with their flags and blocking one of our main streetsuntil police finally got frustrated and started making arrests. From the news I saw, this was a pretty common occurrence across the nation.

Originally posted by lex400sc
The difference is that before, only extremists hated us. We now have a much larger group of people that despise and distrust us. And after 9/11, we had the full support and condolences of all of Europe, Asia, and the Americas. What has become of that camraderie since then? What has become of our credibility since then? What happens when we really need help from other nations one day?.

Again, I sincerely doubt only the extremists hated us, unless you want to call the governments of Iraq, Iran, and many other countries extremists, which if that is the case, extremists take extreme measures, therefore pre-emptive strike was justified to counter their extremist views toward our country?