So don't blame this president or any other it's your boss who may be to blame. If your company is public your ability to "increase share holder value" is what is all about:thumbdn:

http://www.dailyherald.com/search/main_story.asp?intID=3789213


More of the same:

http://www.dailyherald.com/search/main_story.asp?intID=3789066

When Jagdish Dalal first got the idea to hire computer programmers in India back in 1983, most people thought he was taking too big a risk.

blame him :) lol.

- Are there people here who are still convinced that unemployeed Americans are just "lazy bums"?

- Are there people here who are still convinced that giving billionaire executives enormous tax breaks will cause them to hire more American workers?

Maybe Jimxo is right and this is why Bush's Growth and Jobs Plan has failed to stop the hemorrhaging in the American job market. So it's not entirely his fault this plan isn't working, but does that mean he should continue spending billions to enforce it? Or should he redirect the billions in tax relief to the rich to programs for the unemployeed and suffering. Does someone with $20 billion in the bank need a $100,000 tax cut more or can it be better spent distributing $1,000 to a hundred low-to-middle class unemployeed?

You know protectionism has always been a key American strategy. For example the United States government almost blocked Lexus from being introduced into the States in 1989 because of the projected threat it posed on the domestic market. And even today, there is a pretty high import tariff on Japanese cars. Boeing was given the executive stamp of approval for government and industry while Airbus products are all but nonexistant in America despite the fact that Airbus alternatives are often superior to Boeing.

American politicians are always out to protect American industry, but never once have they considered protecting American workers. This migration of jobs into other countries is nothing new, it's actually pretty old news. It's just now the migration is reaching new levels of skilled labor and finally people are growing concerned because it now affects them. Sad news, but I don't see any help from government in the near future.

Originally posted by lex400sc
- Are there people here who are still convinced that unemployeed Americans are just "lazy bums"?

- Are there people here who are still convinced that giving billionaire executives enormous tax breaks will cause them to hire more American workers?



- I don't know a single person who wanted a job and couldn't get one. I do know lots of people who are "too proud" to take the jobs that are available. That isn't anyones fault but there own. They should get over themselves and work, instead of complaining all the time.

- If the billionaire thinks he was going to make a return on investment then yes, he would hire more americans. Would you put your money into something you didn't think would have ANY return? No. So the billions of dollars (or at least portions of it) will be reinvested in business which is where people work. Pretty simple logic actually, I don't know why so many people have such a hard time understanding it.

BTW, do you guys REALLY still believe that only "billionaires" and the rich are getting breaks? I am not in that tax bracket, and personally I think they are the only ones who deserve a break! They pay more than anyone else in the first place! I wish ALL the money really was going back to them, they pay for us to have to opportunity to sit around and argue about where it goes!

-Ethan

'don't know a single person who wanted a job and couldn't get one. I do know lots of people who are "too proud" to take the jobs that are available. That isn't anyones fault but there own. They should get over themselves and work, instead of complaining all the time."

"- Are there people here who are still convinced that unemployeed Americans are just "lazy bums"?'


Just had a guy I talked to on Sunday tell me he is now “use to the lifestyle” of not having to work. I said I had a job paying 45-55k in the area he wanted with full relocation, his reply was “Well I need at least 60-65k to consider any position” UMMM YOU BEEN OUT OF WORK FOR 18 MONTHS!!@#!

I cannot count how many times a week this happens. People straight up admit, after being out of work for 2-3 months, it is really hard to go back so they make excuses or you have the idiots who really think they are worth $130,000 a year when everyone else is making $85,000. Sorry you got an over inflated salary during the 90’s boom, but those days are gone buddy wake the hell up and come down off your high horse.

So yeah, a lot of them are lazy over inflated salary bums.

Originally posted by jpa2400
'don't know a single person who wanted a job and couldn't get one. I do know lots of people who are "too proud" to take the jobs that are available. That isn't anyones fault but there own. They should get over themselves and work, instead of complaining all the time."

"- Are there people here who are still convinced that unemployeed Americans are just "lazy bums"?'


Just had a guy I talked to on Sunday tell me he is now “use to the lifestyle” of not having to work. I said I had a job paying 45-55k in the area he wanted with full relocation, his reply was “Well I need at least 60-65k to consider any position” UMMM YOU BEEN OUT OF WORK FOR 18 MONTHS!!@#!

I cannot count how many times a week this happens. People straight up admit, after being out of work for 2-3 months, it is really hard to go back so they make excuses or you have the idiots who really think they are worth $130,000 a year when everyone else is making $85,000. Sorry you got an over inflated salary during the 90’s boom, but those days are gone buddy wake the hell up and come down off your high horse.

So yeah, a lot of them are lazy over inflated salary bums.

Man, I love reading your posts because 99% of the time I agree with what you say!

Off Topic: Are you still emjoying single malts?:) I think I talked to you about that a while back:)

-Ethan

Originally posted by Ebanks
- I don't know a single person who wanted a job and couldn't get one. I do know lots of people who are "too proud" to take the jobs that are available. That isn't anyones fault but there own. They should get over themselves and work, instead of complaining all the time.

So where did the 1.7 million jobs go that were lost last year? If an IT job no longer exists, what difference does it make what one guy expects to recieve in pay for it. It doesn't exist! Do you think the migration of these jobs to some other country is being replaced over here, tit-for-tat, by some other phantom IT job? Or do you think computer engineers should just drop their pride and start pick grapes in a field because those jobs are available?

It's not a matter of inflated salaries, it's the fact that companies are in a down economy and it's now an employer's market. A market of picking and choosing, and low-balling because they can. In the past, when we had prosperity, an employer could pay IT workers $60k, $70k, $75k, whatever it took to get people on board and the money machine rolling.

The problem now is that no one is buying, the economy is stagnant, and no one is investing or buying because everyone is on their toes with the uncertainty in the economy. Who do you think drives the economy: the top 10% of the social elite, or the hundreds of millions that buy their products and services? I think it makes more sense to stimulate the buyers to buy than the sellers to hire when there are no buyers. Then again I also think tax rebates used for the purpose of fixing economies is just a bunch of crap that only ignorant people would still have faith in. It didn't work the last four years, what makes you think it's gonna work tomorrow?! :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Ebanks
- If the billionaire thinks he was going to make a return on investment then yes, he would hire more americans. Would you put your money into something you didn't think would have ANY return? No. So the billions of dollars (or at least portions of it) will be reinvested in business which is where people work. Pretty simple logic actually, I don't know why so many people have such a hard time understanding it.

By that same logic, what difference does an extra $50,000 tax return make to a man who has $50 million invested, makes $1 million every year in dividends, $500,000 in salary, has a generous pension, and has another $10 million in the bank? I don't care what salary figures you want to substitute in for an example, if Mr. Money thinks he will make a profit by hiring someone, a small tax return won't affect his decision to make more money. If he's going to make money with extra workers on his payroll, he will hire them regardless of his annual tax check! I think that is even simpler logic than yours.

Originally posted by Ebanks
BTW, do you guys REALLY still believe that only "billionaires" and the rich are getting breaks? I am not in that tax bracket, and personally I think they are the only ones who deserve a break! They pay more than anyone else in the first place! I wish ALL the money really was going back to them, they pay for us to have to opportunity to sit around and argue about where it goes!

Really? So what you're trying to tell me is: the guys living the high life playing golf for work and sipping champagne on their 200-foot weekend yachts for leisure---with millions of dollars laying around---are the ones that need their annual tax money returned to them first and foremost? If anything, these men built their success on the backbone of America and Americans, and when the going gets tough, they are the ones who are best equipped to lend back a helping hand in the interest of preserving their success. Or do you think it's the other way around and the McDonalds workers of the nation are building their success and prosperity on the backbone of America and it is them who should shoulder the weight of hard times??? :rolleyes:

As oyu might have noticed, the cost of living in America is not getting any cheaper with the increase of taxes and decrease in public funding, nor are the salaries in the low and middle class increasing. What you especially might not realize is that people that aren't endowed with comfortable lives, fun toys, and soft financial landings have to carry more weight than the rich just to s-u-r-v-i-v-e a sustainable life. Millionaires have no problem dealing with a tripling of license fees, an extra 30 cents per gallon of gas, or an extra $100/month on utilities. A guy making only $2500/month might have a little bit more trouble coping though. But of course in your eyes they deserve to suffer because they aren't the wealthy elite.

"Man, I love reading your posts because 99% of the time I agree with what you say!

Off Topic: Are you still emjoying single malts? I think I talked to you about that a while back

-Ethan"

Thanks :)

And of course.

I am a Macallan fan at heart. They are discontinuing a few ranges but I am looking forward to seeing what the next line up is going to bring. My fav right now is the 18 Gran Reserva which I believe is going to be a rare bottle over here by years ends.

I always have a hard time with justifying tax cuts for those who don’t pay much tax to begin with. I understand the point that the wealthy don’t need the tax breaks as much the lower income levels, but on the other hand let’s get back to basics, why do we pay taxes in the first place? I think everyone should pay THEIR share of tax to support the systems that run our government \ services \ facilities ect..

I pay way more tax then the guy making $50,000, but I still get the same fire dept he does, the same FBI that works for him works for me, I drive on the same roads as this guy, the same army protects us.

You should have to pay your share to live in this country. There should just be a flat Federal \ State \ County \ City taxes and everyone pays one rate, they pay for their cut to live in this country. But we all know that wouldn’t work, because only the “wealthy” could afford it.

Or do you think computer engineers should just drop their pride and start pick grapes in a field because those jobs are available?

If they need work they should. They should also get a second low income job if that job doesn't make enough money for them.

It's not a matter of inflated salaries, it's the fact that companies are in a down economy and it's now an employer's market. A market of picking and choosing, and low-balling because they can. In the past, when we had prosperity, an employer could pay IT workers $60k, $70k, $75k, whatever it took to get people on board and the money machine rolling.

No, they COULDN'T afford to pay IT workers what they were paying them, and that is one reason we are in the situation we are in now. They overpaid and dug themselves into a hole, that they are now trying to get out of. You don't get out of it by overspending again, you do it by paying the correct amount for the job, and hiring the correct number of people.

The problem now is that no one is buying, the economy is stagnant, and no one is investing or buying because everyone is on their toes with the uncertainty in the economy. Who do you think drives the economy: the top 10% of the social elite, or the hundreds of millions that buy their products and services? I think it makes more sense to stimulate the buyers to buy than the sellers to hire when there are no buyers. Then again I also think tax rebates used for the purpose of fixing economies is just a bunch of crap that only ignorant people would still have faith in. It didn't work the last four years, what makes you think it's gonna work tomorrow?! :rolleyes:

Stimulate what buyers? According to you none of them have any money, BARELY enough to SURVIVE! What kind of tax refund would they get if they already get 100% tax return?! What should we do, bump of the minimum level of welfare so we can get more people on my dime?!

You stimulate business and SMALL business because that provides jobs, which provides money, which provides more consumers willing to spend.


By that same logic, what difference does an extra $50,000 tax return make to a man who has $50 million invested, makes $1 million every year in dividends, $500,000 in salary, has a generous pension, and has another $10 million in the bank? I don't care what salary figures you want to substitute in for an example, if Mr. Money thinks he will make a profit by hiring someone, a small tax return won't affect his decision to make more money. If he's going to make money with extra workers on his payroll, he will hire them regardless of his annual tax check! I think that is even simpler logic than yours.

So of all the money you have listed how much of that do you think is discretionary? His $500000 salary will get cut down to $250k, and god knows what his dividends will get cut down to. But you know where that extra money would probably go... Into the market, i.e. business. What does business do? Oh yeah, it supplies jobs!



Really? So what you're trying to tell me is: the guys living the high life playing golf for work and sipping champagne on their 200-foot weekend yachts for leisure---with millions of dollars laying around---are the ones that need their annual tax money returned to them first and foremost? If anything, these men built their success on the backbone of America and Americans, and when the going gets tough, they are the ones who are best equipped to lend back a helping hand in the interest of preserving their success. Or do you think it's the other way around and the McDonalds workers of the nation are building their success and prosperity on the backbone of America and it is them who should shoulder the weight of hard times??? :rolleyes:

You know, all the people you refer to are SO poor that they already get a 100% return! We need to get people OFF welfare, not promote it! If those guys living the "high life" didn't have that money, all these people you worry so much about wouldn't even have a place to work, let alone be able to ***** about not getting enough money back!


As oyu might have noticed, the cost of living in America is not getting any cheaper with the increase of taxes and decrease in public funding, nor are the salaries in the low and middle class increasing. What you especially might not realize is that people that aren't endowed with comfortable lives, fun toys, and soft financial landings have to carry more weight than the rich just to s-u-r-v-i-v-e a sustainable life. Millionaires have no problem dealing with a tripling of license fees, an extra 30 cents per gallon of gas, or an extra $100/month on utilities. A guy making only $2500/month might have a little bit more trouble coping though. But of course in your eyes they deserve to suffer because they aren't the wealthy elite.

If you are that worried about cost of living you shouldn't live in CA! For $2500/mo you could live pretty well here if you didn't have some fancy car with a big payment. And no, I don't think deserve to suffer, but I also don't think they deserve to suck anymore money out of my pockets.

Ditto what JPA said: Flat Tax.

-Ethan

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Originally posted by jpa2400
'don't know a single person who wanted a job and couldn't get one. I do know lots of people who are "too proud" to take the jobs that are available. That isn't anyones fault but there own. They should get over themselves and work, instead of complaining all the time."

"- Are there people here who are still convinced that unemployeed Americans are just "lazy bums"?'


Just had a guy I talked to on Sunday tell me he is now “use to the lifestyle” of not having to work. I said I had a job paying 45-55k in the area he wanted with full relocation, his reply was “Well I need at least 60-65k to consider any position” UMMM YOU BEEN OUT OF WORK FOR 18 MONTHS!!@#!

I cannot count how many times a week this happens. People straight up admit, after being out of work for 2-3 months, it is really hard to go back so they make excuses or you have the idiots who really think they are worth $130,000 a year when everyone else is making $85,000. Sorry you got an over inflated salary during the 90’s boom, but those days are gone buddy wake the hell up and come down off your high horse.

So yeah, a lot of them are lazy over inflated salary bums.

I am looking for a job. Can you help me? I have been looking for an IT position since November 2002 and still have no job. I have a B.S in CIS and I am willing to work. I am not lazy. Please let me know if you can help.

RedToesBlue@yahoo.com

I will 3rd flat tax, but add in a little relief, those familes with working individuals, at least one, making under say $15k/yr would be exempt, but also not qualify for any refunds.

Originally posted by Ebanks
If they need work they should. They should also get a second low income job if that job doesn't make enough money for them.

What you're probably not aware of is that many people do work two or more full time jobs when they have families to support. Actually I personally know a few people that work multiple jobs. The custodian at my old job for instance had three jobs he worked at. A number of my college professors work one full time job in addition to a part time job. Of course there are always leeches that lie around on welfare, but to categorically ignore ALL the lower income struggling and unemployeed because of the few is just a cop out for you to justify excluding them from any sort of relief package.

Originally posted by Ebanks
No, they COULDN'T afford to pay IT workers what they were paying them, and that is one reason we are in the situation we are in now. They overpaid and dug themselves into a hole, that they are now trying to get out of. You don't get out of it by overspending again, you do it by paying the correct amount for the job, and hiring the correct number of people.

Are you sure you know what you're talking about? You're saying that just because the economy was good in the 1990's, all tech companies would overpay their tech employees to a degree that they became unprofitable operations year-in and year-out? That they spent ten years not making money because they overpaid all their tech workers? And that is why we are in a down economy today? That's proposterous. I worked for two tech companies during the dot-com boom and regardless of what money they paid us, they still made a killing, they still grew their operations. You should research the real causes of the dot-bomb, and it wasn't due to the growth of tech jobs or their salaries, LOL!

Originally posted by Ebanks
Stimulate what buyers? According to you none of them have any money, BARELY enough to SURVIVE!

You just answered your own question.

Originally posted by Ebanks
What kind of tax refund would they get if they already get 100% tax return?! What should we do, bump of the minimum level of welfare so we can get more people on my dime?!

Who is getting a 100% tax return? People making income below the poverty line? That is true, but the poverty line for a person is $10,850/year and for a family of four it is $16,420/year! Do you think these people SHOULD be paying away 30-40% of their income? I'd like to see you live off this amount of money. Those are the ones getting tax examption, what about all the millions and millions that are making $11,000-60,000 per year? These people pay their taxes and have the same high living standards as people making $2,000,000 per year.

Originally posted by Ebanks
You stimulate business and SMALL business because that provides jobs, which provides money, which provides more consumers willing to spend.

Good idea! It's just too bad small business owners aren't nearly as rich as the top ten percentile who are receiving all the tax returns!! Disqualified!

Originally posted by Ebanks
So of all the money you have listed how much of that do you think is discretionary? His $500000 salary will get cut down to $250k, and god knows what his dividends will get cut down to. But you know where that extra money would probably go... Into the market, i.e. business. What does business do? Oh yeah, it supplies jobs!

Dividends are essentially tax free. Dividents are owned only by the very wealthy. Thus it only makes sense that Bush would first focus on relieving the very rich of any tax obligations. Oh boo hoo, someone making $90,000 gets their salary cut down to $50,000 and you're crying over a millionaire making $500,000 losing $250,000? Let's see which of the two is going to have to re-adjust more to compensate for the lost wages.

Originally posted by Ebanks
You know, all the people you refer to are SO poor that they already get a 100% return! We need to get people OFF welfare, not promote it! If those guys living the "high life" didn't have that money, all these people you worry so much about wouldn't even have a place to work, let alone be able to ***** about not getting enough money back!

Do you think very many people enjoy living at the bottom rung of society? Most people would rather own a house, would rather move into a nice neighborhood in a nice town, would rather have a steady, well-paying white-collar job. Most people on welfare HAVE jobs. They put in 40 hours a week of real work, and that's more than could be said about executives who leave the office after 4 hours to go golfing.

Originally posted by Ebanks
If you are that worried about cost of living you shouldn't live in CA! For $2500/mo you could live pretty well here if you didn't have some fancy car with a big payment. And no, I don't think deserve to suffer, but I also don't think they deserve to suck anymore money out of my pockets.

Out of your pockets?? That brings up an interesting point. What do you do for a living to afford over $40,000 worth of performance tuning under your hood. And please don't lie, I already know where all that money came from ;).

There is no reason to say that people who can't find a job are lazy or greedy. Show some respect please.

Originally posted by redtoesblue
I am looking for a job. Can you help me? I have been looking for an IT position since November 2002 and still have no job. I have a B.S in CIS and I am willing to work. I am not lazy. Please let me know if you can help.

Who is getting a 100% tax return? People making income below the poverty line? That is true, but the poverty line for a person is $10,850/year and for a family of four it is $16,420/year! Do you think these people SHOULD be paying away 30-40% of their income? I'd like to see you live off this amount of money. Those are the ones getting tax examption, what about all the millions and millions that are making $11,000-60,000 per year? These people pay their taxes and have the same high living standards as people making $2,000,000 per year.

The people in this sort of low income bracket are actually getting back more money than they put in. Families with children and low income get EIC (Earned Income Credit). I've seen people earning $20k - $25k with kids get back thousands and have no tax liablility.

Am I complaining? Nope. I think it's a good way to help out the lower income brackets. Do people abuse the system? Sure.

I'm trying to figure out why we generalize people so much. We're sitting here saying that unemployed people are too proud or too lazy or overpaid or whatever. Every person is different and their reasons for not working are just as different. Yes, some are lazy. Yes some are too proud. Yes, some want too much money. Yes, some want to mooch the system. Some are honest and would work very hard if given the chance.

Originally posted by Vegassc400
The people in this sort of low income bracket are actually getting back more money than they put in. Families with children and low income get EIC (Earned Income Credit). I've seen people earning $20k - $25k with kids get back thousands and have no tax liablility.

Am I complaining? Nope. I think it's a good way to help out the lower income brackets. Do people abuse the system? Sure.

I'm trying to figure out why we generalize people so much. We're sitting here saying that unemployed people are too proud or too lazy or overpaid or whatever. Every person is different and their reasons for not working are just as different. Yes, some are lazy. Yes some are too proud. Yes, some want too much money. Yes, some want to mooch the system. Some are honest and would work very hard if given the chance.

Well said.

Do people abuse the system? Sure.

And I think the focus should be eliminating the abuse, not dissolving the entire system like others suggest. A lot of people here talk economics like experts. Are these economics experts also aware of social costs associated with ignoring the bottom half of society? They may well encounter such social costs, first hand, if they continue in their ways.

Originally posted by lex400sc


Out of your pockets?? That brings up an interesting point. What do you do for a living to afford over $40,000 worth of performance tuning under your hood. And please don't lie, I already know where all that money came from ;).

I'm glad you apparently know so much about me.

I work 55-60 hours a week overnights in a sleep study clinic here in Kansas City. Prior to this, before I got engaged, I lived with my parents, had no bills and worked like 20 hours a week in a sleep clinic in Springfield. 100% of my income went into the car.

I split the first round of mods with my father, 50/50.

Since then I have paid for it.

I have got a first hand dose of what these taxes do over the past 6 months, because I just got out on my own and immediately started paying for 2 lives with one income. I have roughly $88-$1000/paycheck taken out in taxes. Should I get a big refund? Probably not. Should the guy who gets $180000 taken out get a refund? In my opinion, yes, but I guess we just disagree.

And yes, out of my pocket. Do you think I am not in that category of people in your $20-$60k income bracket? I will pay @22k in taxes this year, and you don't see me whining about it. What I whine about it other people wanting me to pay more, and saying it isn't enough because I should just give it all to the system!

-Ethan

Originally posted by lex400sc
Well said.



And I think the focus should be eliminating the abuse, not dissolving the entire system like others suggest. A lot of people here talk economics like experts. Are these economics experts also aware of social costs associated with ignoring the bottom half of society? They may well encounter such social costs, first hand, if they continue in their ways.

I'll eliminate some abuse.

#1 Don't allow people to go on disability just because they get too fat.

#2 Require women on Welfare to be on birth control, or don't give them any money.

#3 Drug test all welfare recipients. If it comes up dirty, you don't get paid.

There, that will get rid of some of it. Oh no, but that isn't nice enough is it! Guess what, when you take other peoples money to live off of, they get to make the rules, not you! When you lived in your parents house you had to live by their rules, and when you get out in society and live off their money you should have rules to live by too!

-Ethan

I wasn't aware that you are on your own now. This is all that I was told about you...

Originally posted by Ebanks
I lived with my parents, had no bills and worked like 20 hours a week in a sleep clinic in Springfield. 100% of my income went into the car.

I split the first round of mods with my father, 50/50.


Originally posted by Ebanks
I have roughly $88-$1000/paycheck taken out in taxes. Should I get a big refund? Probably not. Should the guy who gets $180000 taken out get a refund? In my opinion, yes, but I guess we just disagree.

Well if you and I don't deserve that refund, neither do the richest of the rich. Moreover, with all the states suffering budget deficits, and the federal government suffering the greatest deficit in history, why should anyone get refunds in government revenue. Does it makes sense to throw away revenue when you have a deficit of revenue? Not in my opinion.

Originally posted by Ebanks
And yes, out of my pocket. Do you think I am not in that category of people in your $20-$60k income bracket? I will pay @22k in taxes this year, and you don't see me whining about it. What I whine about it other people wanting me to pay more, and saying it isn't enough because I should just give it all to the system!

I don't whine about paying taxes, and I don't dodge taxes. I happily pay them because I know it is a necessity to running a government and a society's infrastructure. What I have a problem with is government giving away money when they can't afford to! Say we have a $7 trillion dollar surplus, yeah we can start returning some tax money, and I even agree to give the large proportion to the rich under those circumstances, but when there is a $7 trillion deficit, we shouldn't be giving any money away, and the first people that would need a hand-out---if we were giving one---would be the first segment of society to suffer a poor economy.

The lower income people DO NOT PAY HARDLY ANY TAXES.. we all know this.. Its like the Democrats and Liberals want to punish people that choose to succeed..

Example:
A man that goes to College and gets his masters degree, works his butt off at a company for years, slowly works his way up the chain of command, finally one day his dream is relized and he becomes President and CEO... <--Liberal Answers to this.. Lets take a LARGE chunk of his money and give it to those who didn't earn it or are too proud to go work for it.

Why Work for your money and be proud when you reach a level when you can live off people who do it for you.

Thats what is happening.

Originally posted by Ebanks
I'll eliminate some abuse.

#1 Don't allow people to go on disability just because they get too fat.

#2 Require women on Welfare to be on birth control, or don't give them any money.

#3 Drug test all welfare recipients. If it comes up dirty, you don't get paid.

That's a good start and those are great ideas http://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif Unfortunately there are ways around that. You can detox any drug substance from your body and falsify the test. Women that don't take birth control regularly will void the results. Miss one pill one day and you can get pregnant until the hormone treatment is stable again. The fatness can also be argued to death about being hereditary vs lifestyle.

Originally posted by Ebanks
There, that will get rid of some of it. Oh no, but that isn't nice enough is it! Guess what, when you take other peoples money to live off of, they get to make the rules, not you!

Actually the politicians make the rules and they make them based on the most vocal constituency. The only way to effect change is to be politically active. The poor minorities in inner-cities are very active, which is why politicians pay attention to them. They just want to be re-elected and so they cater to the voters, not necessarily the people.

Originally posted by SCLexus3.0
The lower income people DO NOT PAY HARDLY ANY TAXES.. we all know this.. Its like the Democrats and Liberals want to punish people that choose to succeed..

Example:
A man that goes to College and gets his masters degree, works his butt off at a company for years, slowly works his way up the chain of command, finally one day his dream is relized and he becomes President and CEO... <--Liberal Answers to this.. Lets take a LARGE chunk of his money and give it to those who didn't earn it or are too proud to go work for it.

Why Work for your money and be proud when you reach a level when you can live off people who do it for you.

Thats what is happening. [/B]

That's a gross generalization and a popular sterotype.

"I'll eliminate some abuse.

#1 Don't allow people to go on disability just because they get too fat.

#2 Require women on Welfare to be on birth control, or don't give them any money.

#3 Drug test all welfare recipients. If it comes up dirty, you don't get paid.

There, that will get rid of some of it. Oh no, but that isn't nice enough is it! Guess what, when you take other peoples money to live off of, they get to make the rules, not you! When you lived in your parents house you had to live by their rules, and when you get out in society and live off their money you should have rules to live by too!

-Ethan"

I watched several of my own family milk our tax money for years, and a few still do it, it makes me sick. 3-4-5 kids and no one in the family wants to work. If you have one kid and you cannot even support that one, snip snip because WE the people who do pay tax in this country refuse to support anymore of your kids.

Welfare, we will match what you make. GET A JOB, any job. You make $500, we will match it $500 on up until you can support yourself. OUR money pays for your rent, you live on your own money. So many things this country could be doing to stop all this waste.

You could make women have the shot that lasts 3 months, and you could require it on time every third month to give them there money.

I think it would be great if you could do something to men to, but you can't guarantee that when they did get off there feet you could fix a visectimy (sp?) . I wish you could guarantee it because we could start cuttin'!

-Ethan

BTW, my previous post should have said "$800-$1000" not $88.

-Ethan

Originally posted by redtoesblue
I am looking for a job. Can you help me? I have been looking for an IT position since November 2002 and still have no job. I have a B.S in CIS and I am willing to work. I am not lazy. Please let me know if you can help.

RedToesBlue@yahoo.com

Where are you located? My friends just graduated with a CIS degree last year, and he is working as a computer tech at best buy. In our area that starts @$10/hr.

Getting hired on at BB should be easy too, especially going into the holidays!

Not real glamorous, but better than taking from the government!

-Ethan

I pay more every year out of my income than most high income people would earn in a year.. I believe I earn my money, but some think all my hard work and 60 hour weeks don't matter and I should give more.

Because what the hell, I'm in the top 1% of income earners and I don't need the money.....

Originally posted by redtoesblue
I am looking for a job. Can you help me? I have been looking for an IT position since November 2002 and still have no job. I have a B.S in CIS and I am willing to work. I am not lazy. Please let me know if you can help.



RedToesBlue@yahoo.com

What state and what city? I will post 5 jobs for you

Originally posted by jpa2400
Welfare, we will match what you make. GET A JOB, any job. You make $500, we will match it $500 on up until you can support yourself. OUR money pays for your rent, you live on your own money. So many things this country could be doing to stop all this waste.

Good idea, but I don't think we should just give them blank checks. It should be compensation in the form of food stamps, health care coupons, gas cards, and partially-subsidized low income housing. You give them $500 for every $500 they make and who knows where that money goes? Drugs, needles, new Jordans, hollowpoints?

Originally posted by Ebanks
You could make women have the shot that lasts 3 months, and you could require it on time every third month to give them there money.

I think the Norplant is only 70% effective.

Originally posted by Ebanks
I think it would be great if you could do something to men to, but you can't guarantee that when they did get off there feet you could fix a visectimy (sp?) . I wish you could guarantee it because we could start cuttin'!

You can reverse a vasectomy in most cases, but again there is still a chance of failure.

"form of food stamps"

Which you would think by all means is the perfect route. My sister will sell the coupons for half in value for cash, and when they started buckling down with ID with the food stamps, she just took the person shopping then got the cash to spend on drugs and cigs.

redtoesblue - I don't have any openings for your type of work right now (I am an ex IT guy myself) but I will send you an email with some stuff that will help you get a job like how to setup a correct resume, what NOT to do on an interview (3 people last week didn't bother to read it and lost second interviews, have to love it) where to look for a job and also how to be proactive on searching for a job, you DO NOT have to wait for ads to pop up online or in the paper, there are other ways that you can actively search for jobs if you want to put in the effort. If you don't get anything from me by later tomorrow, drop me a PM to remind me. You can do up a rough draft of your resume and I will help you tweak it.

I been in the recruiting and research industry for a while now, there are jobs out there! Ever since early summer, my sales people are bringing in more and more new orders from existing clients as well as from new business development. Don't let the media get you down, and when they do say things look to be turning around, from the job market perspective we are seeing it.

Originally posted by lex400sc
I think the Norplant is only 70% effective.


70% fewer children born into the welfare program works for me... It is a good start at least!

They also have that thing that you place in the womans body that lasts like 5 years at a time, and is supposed to be really effective, but I don't know much about it... I have just heard about it.

-Ethan

That would be the norplant, the shot I believe is damn effective if one follows the program. Believe me, 5 years, no problems.
Anyways, people on welfare on babies just prevents more people on welfare, since of course look at the role models and work ethic they have to grow up to right? I will revert to my belief that a certain political party wants to make everyone dependent on them, thus giving them the power to control us. It all sounds good when you are poor and they are giving you all this free stuff, most don't really look at the true cost of the handouts. A good amount of Americans are raise on the
now way of thinking. Only think about what is happening now, and let someone else worry about the consequences when the time comes. Why do you think California is in the problem it is in. Spend all the money now, let someone else fix it.

Originally posted by SCLexus3.0
What state and what city? I will post 5 jobs for you

I am in Orange County, Ca. I want a job in Irvine, but I am willing to move where the money is at. I have no preferences. I just want a job in my field in which I can grow.

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Where are you located? My friends just graduated with a CIS degree last year, and he is working as a computer tech at best buy. In our area that starts @$10/hr.
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There are other jobs that pay 45K to 55K a year for IT. It doesn't have to be a big company. For example: a company in printing industry would pay that salary. A friend of mine just got the same job last month in Riverside, CA. To get $10.00 is easy, go to In and Out burger and will see what I am talking about.
You have spent so much money for your tuition, don't waste your time for hourly pay work.

Originally posted by SCLexus3.0
A man that goes to College and gets his masters degree, works his butt off at a company for years, slowly works his way up the chain of command, finally one day his dream is relized and he becomes President and CEO... <--Liberal Answers to this.. Lets take a LARGE chunk of his money and give it to those who didn't earn it or are too proud to go work for it.
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Incorrect!!
Let me revise your statement, not all people who have college degree could get a steady job and work hard to go to the top level.
you need to “work smart” not to “work hard”

Here is my own experience:

I also have a degree in CIS. Used to have a good paying IT job up in San Francisco. However, after the economic started to slow down, I started to look for another career. There were some chances to work outside US, but I didn’t really want to leave the country. Talked to some friends and they introduced me to this gentleman. He was the senior vice president of a well known bank. There was an opening for a personal banker which offers 35K a year plus bonus for every quarter. I took it, even though; it payed a lot less than the IT job. In 2 & 1/2 years I was promoted to be a business banker and start dealing w/ 2M loan. My group’s goal every quarter was 7M to 8.5 M. and we would get 1.5% out of it. Guess what? Combine my salary and the bonus per quarter makes me to make more money than the IT job!!!!

However since Bush took over the White House; the economic is going down the hill. Large companies have laid off employees. Many of those people move to smaller firm that pay less money. It affected the middle class-income Americans. I believe it didn’t affect you (cuz you most likely get paid above 350K per year). People tend to stop buying and expanding their business. This substantial increase in proverty and decline in the median level income has also affected our bank. Our projected business loan has dropped very steep to from 7M to 8.5M down to 1.5M to 2.5M for every quarter. So you see, my quarterly bonus has also dropped. That means my income has also dropped drastically.

Why this is happening? Lex400sc has explained to the very detail what Bush has done ! You are a business man, so I believe you are also aware of this situation.

Originally posted by LS400Dom
[QUOTE]
Where are you located? My friends just graduated with a CIS degree last year, and he is working as a computer tech at best buy. In our area that starts @$10/hr.
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There are other jobs that pay 45K to 55K a year for IT. It doesn't have to be a big company. For example: a company in printing industry would pay that salary. A friend of mine just got the same job last month in Riverside, CA. To get $10.00 is easy, go to In and Out burger and will see what I am talking about.
You have spent so much money for your tuition, don't waste your time for hourly pay work.

$10/hr is a different thing in CA. I didn't know he was located in cali. Most of my friends who have moved from here to Cali have seen there wages go up by 100-150%, so at BB you would probably be in the $20/hr range.

Additionally, this is exactly the wrong mentality that is causing the problems! "You have spent so much money for your tuition, don't waste your time for hourly pay work". When you need work you work, plain and simple. You don't ***** about how the money is paid, or how little it is. You work.

-Ethan

Originally posted by LS400Dom
Incorrect!!
Let me revise your statement, not all people who have college degree could get a steady job and work hard to go to the top level.
you need to “work smart” not to “work hard”

However since Bush took over the White House; the economic is going down the hill.

This is wrong... Since bush has taken office it CONTINUED to go down hill. It didn't start going down hill when he took office.

-Ethan

"When you need work you work, plain and simple. You don't ***** about how the money is paid, or how little it is. You work."
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

"This is wrong... Since bush has taken office it CONTINUED to go down hill. It didn't start going down hill when he took office."

Those who had real money in the market KNOW THIS.

We felt the problems starting before bush took office, corps already started dropping people and started the great trend of "we are on a hiring hold"

I will second that, the company I work for has been cutting back emplyees for the last 4 years or so, maybe even longer, but I started noticing it arounf 1999, I had only been there a year. Recently though, we have taken on about 3 or 4 extra people that our regular number.

Originally posted by Ebanks
This is wrong... Since bush has taken office it CONTINUED to go down hill. It didn't start going down hill when he took office.

-Ethan

Thing is the average life cycle of a recession is about 11months. It might have started under Clinton's term, but it should have ended a long time ago if it were a natural fluctuation. However, because of Bush's wasteful spending (did you know the federal spending continued to grow this year), along with his extremely poor economic planning (massive revenue hacking) allowed an actual stimulus of recession, driving our economy further and further into turmoil, instead of revitalizing it. This recession is in its third year---though it technically ended months ago---and we are losing millions of jobs per month still with no end in sight!

Realistically, what can you do with $10 an hour? Can you pay for a house & a car? Plus cover your food? Maybe in montana, but in california, the cost of living is much higher than in other areas of the U.S. I know a job is a job, but if you can't make enough to even put gas in your car to make it to work, then there is something wrong. I am looking to make enough to survive.

I make $10/hr, I just work 60ish hours/wk :D :D :D

Originally posted by SDuquette
I make $10/hr, I just work 60ish hours/wk :D :D :D

That still won't cut it in CA, especially not in the Bay Area. When I was working on commissioned sales full time, my pay ranged from $15/hr year-round to $40/hr around the holiday season. Even at 40 hours a week, that is still barely sustainable pay. Lucky for me I was only paying a rent of $200 month to my parents and I drove a Camry given to me that was 100% troublefree and got ~35/miles to the gallon! I could not imagine living off those wages paying rent to an apartment, with monthly utilities, taxes, gas, phone/internet bills, school fees, car loan, insurance, and other expenses :eek1:. In fact, the thought of it frightened me for a time when it became a real possibility. My friends are only able to do it with two-three other roomates bunked up with them and some of them still receive minor financial support from their families!

I really don't understand how all of you guys are using CA as a vantage point for pay. CA IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE PLACE TO LIVE IN THE US! 90% of the people DO NOT HAVE TO PAY THAT MUCH. If you dont like the expense of CA then MOVE! Simple solution!

If you lived in Missouri and made $10/hr and worked 50-60 hours a week you could have a nice apartment a $15000 car, buy food, and reasonable clothes and still save money every month.

BTW, a small thing happened that kind of put the recession into overdrive... Do you remember what that was?

-Ethan

I find this thread pretty interesting because i have not had to deal with or consider a single bit of it to get to where i am........... retired.... at 27, but did it at 25.

You've heard that it takes money to make money, well so true. After you have a chunk of it, you should have no problem making it last. Smart turnaround on your money will make it do everything you want. once you get it back, take the profit in your pocket and turn the base around again. I see people all the time that expect to have a "career" for life working 50 hrs a week and think they have it all together.

Now, i cannot live forever, or even 10 years off what i have in my pocket right now. What i can do is make my money work for me, smart money. I took $1,000 and turned it into $900,000 gross in 2 years, kept well over half of it, and cut $225k back into the stores. When 9-11 hit i was losing cash daily by the pound. I sold out and took the money and ran at a point after 9-11 when i couldn't afford to lose anymore. I have not owned stores, nor worked since and my money has actually started to go UP lately rather than down.

You have to use it wisely, it DOES take it to make it. I wouldn't say not to worry about the oversea's labor because it is a very big problem to the corporations.However i also believe if you expect to get ahead you have to be the top man on the totem pole. I would never work for anyone else again no matter what happened in life, because i know that sucess is based upon desire, will power, and savvy.

I went back to school to better myself and noone else. My EE Degree is based on my will to learn what i need to stay independent in life. Oversea's labor concerns will not affect any of you if you ask yourself what do "I" need to do to get into position to conquer my goals and needs.

You guy's in Cali have more potential than anyone else. you could live 100 miles away from the expensive side of town, humble yourselves for 2 years, and come back with your goals within reach.

Originally posted by Ebanks
I really don't understand how all of you guys are using CA as a vantage point for pay. CA IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE PLACE TO LIVE IN THE US! 90% of the people DO NOT HAVE TO PAY THAT MUCH. If you dont like the expense of CA then MOVE! Simple solution!

There's just one problem: it takes money to move. And aside from that I am only 21 years old, and I'm still going to school to get a degree so that I am a more marketable employee. I don't intend to live off hourly wages for the rest of my life. I expect to get a salary job, doing skilled labor that pays well, be it white-collar or blue-collar work. When I was 6 years old, I really didn't have much say in whether my family was going to move from Austin to San Francisco or not. The jobs were in California and my parents moved what I call "home" over here. And right now I am making the best of what I can out of my situation so that I have the comfort and flexibility to do just that. I am not complaining about the cost of living here. I'm just trying to make you understand that all the United States isn't Missouri. You make it sound like $10/hr is sustainable here, well I'm just telling you that it is not.

Originally posted by lex400sc
There's just one problem: it takes money to move. And aside from that I am only 21 years old, and I'm still going to school to get a degree so that I am a more marketable employee. I don't intend to live off hourly wages for the rest of my life. I expect to get a salary job, doing skilled labor that pays well, be it white-collar or blue-collar work. When I was 6 years old, I really didn't have much say in whether my family was going to move from Austin to San Francisco or not. The jobs were in California and my parents moved what I call "home" over here. And right now I am making the best of what I can out of my situation so that I have the comfort and flexibility to do just that. I am not complaining about the cost of living here. I'm just trying to make you understand that all the United States isn't Missouri. You make it sound like $10/hr is sustainable here, well I'm just telling you that it is not.

I don't remember ever saying that $10/hr would pay your life in CA. I remember saying $10/hr in most of the rest of the US would. MOST people don't live in LA, San Fran, NYC, etc. Remember, we are talking about the United States problems, NOT californias or Missouris. Fortunately most places in the country are cheap like Missouri, and not out of control expensive like CA.

You could live in basically any state in the country on $2500/mo if you weren't expecting to live it up, including CA if you moved away from major cities. I am not saying it would be easy, but you could live just fine.

BTW, have you ever actually moved? It isn't exactly like only millionaires can afford to move. It isn't that expensive. I just moved to Kansas City from Springfield for a total of about $150. We moved my sister from Springfield to Los Angeles about 2 years ago for a total of about $500. Now if you can't go out where you live now and make an extra $500 to move somewhere where you can actually afford to live then I just don't honestly believe that. If you are willing to bust ass and put yourself in a better situation, you can.

-Ethan

Originally posted by onelasttry
I find this thread pretty interesting because i have not had to deal with or consider a single bit of it to get to where i am........... retired.... at 27, but did it at 25.

You've heard that it takes money to make money, well so true. After you have a chunk of it, you should have no problem making it last. Smart turnaround on your money will make it do everything you want. once you get it back, take the profit in your pocket and turn the base around again. I see people all the time that expect to have a "career" for life working 50 hrs a week and think they have it all together.

Now, i cannot live forever, or even 10 years off what i have in my pocket right now. What i can do is make my money work for me, smart money. I took $1,000 and turned it into $900,000 gross in 2 years, kept well over half of it, and cut $225k back into the stores. When 9-11 hit i was losing cash daily by the pound. I sold out and took the money and ran at a point after 9-11 when i couldn't afford to lose anymore. I have not owned stores, nor worked since and my money has actually started to go UP lately rather than down.

You have to use it wisely, it DOES take it to make it. I wouldn't say not to worry about the oversea's labor because it is a very big problem to the corporations.However i also believe if you expect to get ahead you have to be the top man on the totem pole. I would never work for anyone else again no matter what happened in life, because i know that sucess is based upon desire, will power, and savvy.

I went back to school to better myself and noone else. My EE Degree is based on my will to learn what i need to stay independent in life. Oversea's labor concerns will not affect any of you if you ask yourself what do "I" need to do to get into position to conquer my goals and needs.

You guy's in Cali have more potential than anyone else. you could live 100 miles away from the expensive side of town, humble yourselves for 2 years, and come back with your goals within reach.

Did you just play the market well or what?!

For a while I was living off a budget of $1,500 a month in Long Beach. I split a two bedroom townhome with a friend so I only have to pay $500 for rent and approx. $125 for utilities. I learned to live off $925 for car insurance, gas, food, clothes, entertainment, etc. so it depends on how much you're willing to sacrifice. I'm still living in the same place and I am quite comfortable. It comes down to sacrifice, what you're willing to accept in the interim. Some people don't want to sacrifice and get a job that pays minimum wage and live in a place they can afford with this meager amount of pay. You have to do what you have to do.

Originally posted by lex400sc
That still won't cut it in CA, especially not in the Bay Area. When I was working on commissioned sales full time, my pay ranged from $15/hr year-round to $40/hr around the holiday season. Even at 40 hours a week, that is still barely sustainable pay. Lucky for me I was only paying a rent of $200 month to my parents and I drove a Camry given to me that was 100% troublefree and got ~35/miles to the gallon! I could not imagine living off those wages paying rent to an apartment, with monthly utilities, taxes, gas, phone/internet bills, school fees, car loan, insurance, and other expenses :eek1:. In fact, the thought of it frightened me for a time when it became a real possibility. My friends are only able to do it with two-three other roomates bunked up with them and some of them still receive minor financial support from their families!

All the more reason, if someone doesn't like it, there are 49 other states and a million other jobs/houses/oppurtunities. And BS, on the it takes money to move. You could set up a new life in another state with $1000 in your pocket, you just have to be smart on how you use it.

Originally posted by Ebanks
Additionally, this is exactly the wrong mentality that is causing the problems! "You have spent so much money for your tuition, don't waste your time for hourly pay work". When you need work you work, plain and simple.

Originally posted by jpa2400
"When you need work you work, plain and simple. You don't ***** about how the money is paid, or how little it is. You work."
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:


Before you start judging others, first you need to know what type of financial situation they are in.
Let me give you my situation. I had promised my parents to pay back the tuition he paid for my college (they were also supporting my sister for college tuition). I was paying him back when I got laid off from my IT job. I was lucky to meet that guy who offered me the banking job. I got less pay compare to the previous one. A lot less, so I had to call my credit cards company to get some extension in payments. I had to cut some of expenses, but I was still paying back my parents. Promise is a promise !!!
Now don’t you tell me about having a wrong mentality. I did what I had to do and was struggling before I am at my position right now !

Originally posted by Ebanks
I really don't understand how all of you guys are using CA as a vantage point for pay. CA IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE PLACE TO LIVE IN THE US! 90% of the people DO NOT HAVE TO PAY THAT MUCH. If you dont like the expense of CA then MOVE! Simple solution!

If you lived in Missouri and made $10/hr and worked 50-60 hours a week you could have a nice apartment a $15000 car, buy food, and reasonable clothes and still save money every month.

BTW, a small thing happened that kind of put the recession into overdrive... Do you remember what that was?

-Ethan

I told you before…..you gotta work smart not to work hard. Why move to other states? Do you think is easy for some people to make that kind of decision without having any doubt that he or she will get a better life? Think……think twice…..!!!
You will be far away from your hometown, friends, family…..Just so you know I have lived in Seattle for 1 year, in Dallas for 1 and ½ years and Montana for about six months. But I like Cali better. Why? Because I was born and grew up here. Although, I didn’t regret to have a chance to live in other states, cuz I met new people and made friends (don’t forget the girls :D).

How about you? Have you tried to move somewhere, and see what you could gain?

Anyways, working hard does not get you anywhere these days. Others will out run you in some ways. Look for some opportunities and take the risk to move on. If you have a degree, that’s even better, get other similar jobs which require probably little bit of your knowledge, but you also need to learn/adapt your new job environment.

You don’t to need a degree to make $10 bucks per hour job. It’s easy. Like you said go get a job in Best Buy. Yeah right!! And get 30 cents raise every 6 months? You must be joking. :egads:
Remember you have spent money your education. Don’t waste your time !!!! If you have a degree then you gotta be smart enough to make your move or to figure out something before you loose your current job.
I told you before…..you gotta work smart not to work hard. Working hard does not get you anywhere these days. Others will out run you in some ways. Look for some opportunities and take the risk to move on. If you have a degree, that’s even better, get other similar jobs which require probably little bit of your knowledge, but you can learn/adapt your new job environment.
Lots of employers are willing to train you if you show them that you are at least fulfilling their criteria for the opening position.

No Guts no Glory !!!!!

Originally posted by jpa2400
[BThis is wrong... Since bush has taken office it CONTINUED to go down hill. It didn't start going down hill when he took office."
Those who had real money in the market KNOW THIS.
[/B]

You are right, but you are also wrong!!
Bush didn’t start this inflation, he got it from Clinton. However, what has he done to fix it? Nothing – well okay – He has tried. Did his Tax plan work out so far? Instead he dragged the Nation into the war. Do we really have to attact Iraq? I said on the other thread "Bush just wanted to finish what his Dad didn't do" And…..whose money he is using to pay the war? :rolleyes:

Talking about “the real money” Who do you think who have the real money? In my point of view, those who have the real money are the ones who are struggling in this economic situation. Money is everything for them. They live from paycheck to paycheck. No money no food. You probably would not really understand because you have workers who produce the “money” for you.
Please don’t get offended, I am not being sarcastic here. ;)

Originally posted by LS400Dom
Bush didn’t start this inflation, he got it from Clinton. However, what has he done to fix it? Nothing – well okay – He has tried.

Inflation?? There is NO inflation or very very little. Not sure what you mean.

Originally posted by bitkahuna
Inflation?? There is NO inflation or very very little. Not sure what you mean.

Didn't the Euro recently surpass the value of the US dollar? ;)

Originally posted by lex400sc
Didn't the Euro recently surpass the value of the US dollar? ;)

You make it sound like this is the first time a foriegn currency has been more valuable than a dollar. They startet close to a 1:1, so chances are they will bounce back an forth. Remember, it's not the US that made the dollar to try to emulate the stability of the Euro.

Originally posted by Ebanks
$10/hr is a different thing in CA. I didn't know he was located in cali. Most of my friends who have moved from here to Cali have seen there wages go up by 100-150%, so at BB you would probably be in the $20/hr range.

Additionally, this is exactly the wrong mentality that is causing the problems! "You have spent so much money for your tuition, don't waste your time for hourly pay work". When you need work you work, plain and simple. You don't ***** about how the money is paid, or how little it is. You work.

-Ethan

Hm, are you sure we are not brothers? One thing that definately holds people back is equating how hard they work for their wage. Again, I refer to the catch-22 situation. The big question is how to break out of that catch-22 circle?

An example is how do people get promoted? Is it because they do normal things JUST in their job description. For the simple analogy and it can be spinned 100 ways and I understand, but please put it in context.

A company has 10 programmers that are all paid the exact same wage. Nine of them do 9-5 but one goes the extra mile. Now, who do you think will be promoted? However, all ten were paid the exact same. So that individual broke out the catch-22 circle and elevated his game. I guess the company is screwed when they have to choose who to promote if all ten do the usual routine...lol!

"Before you start judging others, first you need to know what type of financial situation they are in.
Let me give you my situation. I had promised my parents to pay back the tuition he paid for my college (they were also supporting my sister for college tuition). I was paying him back when I got laid off from my IT job. I was lucky to meet that guy who offered me the banking job. I got less pay compare to the previous one. A lot less, so I had to call my credit cards company to get some extension in payments. I had to cut some of expenses, but I was still paying back my parents. Promise is a promise !!!
Now don’t you tell me about having a wrong mentality. I did what I had to do and was struggling before I am at my position right now !"

My view is, you do what you have to do to live. My dad was laid off from his cozy $10 an hour steel job, ended up working cleaning dealerships for $8 an hour to put food on the table, I worked at a party store, helped clean the dealers and went to high school. Think he wanted to clean floors for a living? You can talk about pride, or you can do what you need to do. My moms lazy arse has been out of work for years, she won't take an $8 an hour job because it is to below her, they are massively in debt, at $8 an hour, that's $320 a week, $16000ish a year, $64,000 over 4 years, they wouldn't have any debt right now if she just took a job.

Back to Ebanks, "When you need work you work, plain and simple. You don't ***** about how the money is paid, or how little it is. You work." I agree 100%

I am bitter about this because I hear it day in and day out from people I speak with. There are jobs out there, swallow your pride and do what you need to do. The worse part is when I talk to someone who has been out of work for 12-18 months (I get this ALL the time from Cali people) and they won't take a job for $40,000-60,000 because they were making $120,000 plus bonus before, you have to be kidding me??!@$

"Talking about “the real money” Who do you think who have the real money?"


I often hear all the time from people who say Bush crashed our economy, Bush killed the stock market etc etc. My point was, anyone who had real money in the market, and I am not talking about $500.... They know very well this ball started rolling down hill before bush took office. I get tired of people talking about how Bush crashed the market and they don't even know when it started to crash!! The same with the layoffs and IT bust, this started in Clinton time, I am not even saying it was Clintons fault, the BOOM was going to happen no matter who was in office, and it was going to blow up and slow this country down regardless of who took office afterwards.

"Inflation?? There is NO inflation or very very little. Not sure what you mean."

Last time I checked, they were more worried about Deflation????

Is the U.S. on verge of deflation?



By Robert Shapiro
SLATE.COM

http://www.msnbc.com/news/806148.asp