Last Sunday, conservative pundit and sports commentator Rush Limbaugh said the following of three-time Pro-Bowler Donovan McNabb:

"I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't deserve. The defense carried this team. "

Donovan McNabb had a press conference today to address these comments. He did not seek an apology because, "An apology would do no good because he obviously thought about it before he said it." His main concern was that none of the other commentators on ESPN's Pregame show had anything to add to that comment.

Limbaugh responded in kind, ""All this has become the tempest that it is because I must have been right about something."

What do you guys think?

Limbaugh is an a** hole.

James

It's not even an issue. It's appears to more politically motivated than anything else.
I think McNabb was more upset and dissapointed that there wasn't a more balance
opinion on his performance from the other Commentators :cry:

Typical race card to get attention. Not the first time, not the last. It makes stories, that is what keeps people listening. I didn't think anything of it, and hearing Rush explain the context from his own mouth just made me realize that either the media is hurting for something to chew on, or since they can't beat him, they will try to deface him.

Who's pulling the race card here?! It wasn't McNabb who became vocal and started making an issue out of being black. Let me jog your memory....

Rush: "I think what we have had here is a little social concern in the NFL".

Rush: "The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well."

Rush: "There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't deserve."

To think that anyone else made race an issue other than Rush himself :rolleyes:

Rush Limbaugh has made his success as a shock-jock talkshow host and inflammatory writer: his only marketable skill is to incite anger and disgust in people. He sucks horribly at sports commentating, obviously, and anger and disgust is all that he's brought to the table. What the hell does that have to do with "pulling the race card"? I think you got your cliches mixed up.... :rolleyes:

Originally posted by lex400sc
Who's pulling the race card here?! It wasn't McNabb who became vocal and started making an issue out of being black. Let me jog your memory....

Rush: "I think what we have had here is a little social concern in the NFL".

Rush: "The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well."

Rush: "There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't deserve."

To think that anyone else made race an issue other than Rush himself :rolleyes:

Rush Limbaugh has made his success as a shock-jock talkshow host and inflammatory writer: his only marketable skill is to incite anger and disgust in people. He sucks horribly at sports commentating, obviously, and anger and disgust is all that he's brought to the table. What the hell does that have to do with "pulling the race card"? I think you got your cliches mixed up.... :rolleyes:


Media pulls the race, or better should I say the racist card. The need a story, period. The media hates Rush because he has a following and bond with his listeners that most forms of media would kill to have. That is the point of his insignifigant opinion making it on nearly every media outlet today. They want nothing more than to attempt to deface him, and paint him as the devil that the ignorant think he is.

Limbaugh was forced to resign, this is a cause for celebration :cool: http://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif :p

"I think what we've had here is the little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well," Limbaugh said. "There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team (Eagles) that he didn't deserve. The defense carried this team"
- Rush Limbaugh during ESPN's "Sunday NFL Countdown" show

Reactions to Rush:

"As the quarterback of the show, I feel bad about it. I don't think it was meant the way it came out. I dont think that defines the way Rush feels about people."
- Chris Berman, anchor of Sunday NFL Countdown

"Although Mr. Limbaugh today stated that his comments had 'no racist intent whatsoever,' we have communicated to Mr. Limbaugh that his comments were insensitive and inappropriate. Throughout his career, he has been consistent in his criticism of the media's coverage of a myriad of issues."
- ESPN statement

"Limbaugh's comments last Sunday about Donovan McNabb, the African American quarterback for the Philadephia Eagles, were both bigoted and ignorant... If this is the future of ESPN, I think fair-minded fans, who tune in for sports news coverage, and not for racist views, should get their sports on other networks. It is appalling that ESPN has to go to this extent to try to increase viewership.
- NAACP president Kweise Mfume

There is no legitimate place in sports braodcasting for voices that seek to discredit the achievement of athletes of the basis of race.
- Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean, Democratic presidential candidate

"He doesn't know anything about football. He doesn't know anything about Donovan McNabb. .. ESPN spent 25 eyars building up a brand and in two days this guy has squandered it"
- Sam Katz, GOP mayoral dandidate (Philadelphia), calling for Limbaugh's dismissal

"Rush must not be reading the local... I think the people of this city (Philadelphia), who know Donovan best and rely on him most, have actually been very critical of him, and have treated him like an athlete. Some of it has been fair. And a lot of it has been uncomplimentary. Donovan has been very graceful"
- Mayor John Street

"ESPN knew what it was getting when they hired Rush ILmbaugh. ESPN selects its on-air talent, not the NFL."
- Joe Browne, NFL vice president

"It's pretty heavy," McNabb said. "It's something that I've been going through since I was young -- through highschool, through college, and through the NFL. You figuge it would be over now."
- Donovan McNabb

What is your reaction to these comments????

Here is mine: Never like Rush, using race to get rating. McNabb didn't sign a $115 millions dollar contract because he's black, he didn't get a better deal because he's black. He got all his money because he earned with his unmatched talent. The race issue is laughable, a sharp and experience commentator as Rush can't make a mistake or regretteful comment toward one of the best quarterback in the league like he did, plain stupid! I do not believe, again, McNabb got paid all that money by the white owner because he's black. Com'on, really, if anyone believes such, you need to move to the deep south, or 18th Century!!!! Welcome to Philly!!!!


B6682121

Now Limbaugh is in trouble for being involved in an illegal drug ring, apparently he's a Vicodin junky reported to pop 100 pills a day... :eek1:

Originally posted by lex400sc
Funny that wasn't the case when the Dixie Chicks said something asinine about one person. Now that a conservative says something asinine about a segment of society, it's a non-issue :rolleyes:

Don't say that.. Dixie Chicks criticized their President in another Country to thousands. Rush only make a point.


"Now that a conservative says something asinine about a segment of society, it's a non-issue :rolleyes"
Thats crap, what about Trent Lott?

Originally posted by lex400sc
Now Limbaugh is in trouble for being involved in an illegal drug ring, apparently he's a Vicodin junky reported to pop 100 pills a day... :eek1: A Headline statement right out of the National Enquirer! :rolleyes:


And besides. how liable is the source when they talk to the National Enquirer (Ching....Ching....$$$$) .:egads:

"The Daily News story cited the National Enquirer, a supermarket tabloid, which quoted Limbaugh's housekeeper saying her boss was addicted to prescription drugs, sometimes bought in secret handoffs in parking lots."
"Miami lawyer Ed Shohat, representing former housekeeper Wilma Cline, issued a brief statement on Thursday saying his client stood by what she told the National Enquirer."

Originally posted by SCLexus3.0
Don't say that.. Dixie Chicks criticized their President in another Country to thousands. Rush only make a point.

Exactly! The Dixie Chicks made a direct personal opionion and Rush made a Media fact observation. :rolleyes:

Calling Rush a raccist over this would be like calling lex400sc racist against white people because he says Bush isn't qualified for his job. Like the previous person said, the statement is a non-issue, it's who said it, and the color of skin that is making a big deal. I mean you know when Al Sharpton wants to get involved it's all just hype.

a lady called in to the local sports talk radio station today. she was going on and on about how Rush didnt mean anything by it and that it was all true. she went on to say that she feels sorry for the "white quarterbacks that are losing their jobs to black qbs" and that the "NFL just wants the whole league to be black and thats not right". i called the station to see if it was a hoax and they assured me that it wasnt. this lady had left all kinds of messages on the producers VM and wanted to be heard. they gave her her shot. the screener asked me if i wanted to be on the air and comment. i declined, b/c i was way to upset to go on.
so i festered and festered and finally couldnt take it anymore. i had to say my peace. my point was/is this. rush was not wrong about mcnabb. i do think that he is a tad-bit over-rated. my problem is is that when you say black quarterback instead of just quarterback, then you are being racist. you are judging that man by not only his talents but by the color of his skin. people want to hide their heads in the sand and say that racism doesnt exist and that people of color should just get over it. but the truth is, everytime you use a color as an adjective (black doctor, mexican lawyer, white cornerback, etc) you are being racist. there is a sign here for the MLK foundation that says "He's an articulate black man" and the word black is crossed out. people dont seem to think about it like that, but its the truth. the host (and he is white) was like, his favorite was, "he speaks so well for a black man". my personal fav, b/c i have heard it so many times from blacks and whites, is "you sound like youre white". WTF?????? b/c i can enunciate my words properly? racism now is not as overt as it once was, but its just as insidious.


Doc

Rush's comment was stupid, but I *think* he was *ACCUSING THE MEDIA* of inappropriately boosting McNabb's stardom in an 'affirmative action' kinda way.

But I agree with what you say DrRick.

So why stop the barrier at sports, I mean if one talks about a black quarter back it's racism. So why is there a double standard when one talks about students, government persons, politicians, activists, etc. it does not have a bad notation. According to all this anger, people should get angry when a media outlet talks about a specific minority doing well at a college, or a successful politician being a minority. what is the difference from saying a black quarterback, a black student, and black congressman excetera. Scholarships and grants that are there to help minorities are not racist. Explain how affirmative action is not racist. If putting a label on someone that is determined by their race is racist, I suppose we better boycott all the racist colleges, employers, loan agencies, and the like that ask for your race on an application. Even if it is for survey reasons, why is it important how a black group of students is doing compared to a hispanic group, compared to a caucasion group. According to your claim, it should just be how the students are doing. You can't say "it's alright to group people together here, but not over there". That is exactly what is being done, and the reason they are doing it is only to discredit a successful WHITE male.
I have this theory that is is wrong to be a successful white male in America, and this does nothing more than to support my theory.

First situation (fiction)

Because, what a coincident, they had a show about a black journalist with high profile and credential who turned out to be a liar, fraud his interview with a famous murderer etc. The black journalist was accused of murdering someone who was going to unvail his true talent, LIE! The defend lawyer came in court and based his defense on that the system, society created him and forced him to be who he isn't, that affirmative action, quota status were the ground to promote a blackman to where he's NOT ready to be yet.

Second situation (real)

Michigan State University quotas status and extra credit for black students

Third situation (real)

Jayson Blair @ The New York Times:
"Blair "committed frequent acts of journalistic fraud," according to a Times investigation, and Raines and Boyd were blamed for promoting the troubled reporter, whose mistakes and excesses had been repeatedly flagged by other editors.
...People have argued whether race played a role in the Blair scandal. Some contend that Raines allowed Blair, who is black, to flourish at the Times despite his problems because of his color. Critics of affirmative action used the Blair situation as an argument against diversity programs.

Others said race was not the issue - Blair's mendacity was." by Alfred Lubrano, Larry Fish and Annette Joh-Hall, The Philadelphia Inquirer

For the whole article: Scandal brings down Times editors (http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/front/6024341.htm)


Relevant to McNabb's comments???? You choose! Did Rush want to rid of affirmation which causes great humilation for black? or Rush wanted to trash talking a QB who he doesn't know anything about? or Rush tried to create his own voice on TV?

My take is still not changed: Never like the guy!

The point of my post wasn't the plight of the white man. The point was that you can't say this is racism, and this is not, when essentially they are the same. If one does, then there is an alternate motive behind their reasoning. In this case the media would love nothing more than to destroy the career to Rush. If you follow the history of his success, you would see that it is not the first time, never the less will it be the last. Goes along with the saying that "what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger". If the point of my post was the troubles of being a minority, I would have started another debate.

my bad, i guess i just picked the point that bothered me the most. and that theory of yours really struck a nerve. perhaps i should delete it. anyway, Rush has used his little subtle racial jabs for years to build his fame. nothing has changed and never will. and now he has clones that are doing the same thing (boortz, et al) espn should have known that eventually it would rear its head. i just get tired of black quarterback this or white cornerback that. when you say things like that, you are demeaning their accomplishments by separating them from everyone else. its sports and you would think that politics and race shouldnt play such a role.

Doc

Originally posted by DrRick
here we go again. the overwhelming plight of the successful white male. gimme a friggin break. but, i would love to hear your theory. b/c i have one myself. how hard is it to be a successful white male in a country that was founded to provide for the successful white male? those were the ones that colonized this country. if you go by that logic, they are doing nothing more than standing on the shoulders of their ancestors that pillaged, enslaved, and killed to get what they had. the white male were the highest rung on the ladder that came here. and it seems that some would use the same tactics today to insure this status. now dont get me wrong, i have no problems with anyone's success, ragardless of race. but lets make sure you earned it. but of course, doesnt everyone think that they have?
as for affirmative action and quotas based on race, im not sure where i stand with that. i dont need anyone to help me with anything. but i didnt grow up in abject poverty. i dint have to worry about being killed on the way to school. i had 2 parents that loved me and provided for me. there are others that dont. and maybe they want a better life for themselves. should we turn our back on them? where do you think the best teachers want to teach? not at MLK high school downtown. so how are these kids in the "ghetto" going to get the education and materials in order to achieve? i know, its not your problem. but you see it is your problem. b/c when people become hopeless they turn to other means to survive, white black or otherwise. so that kid who couldnt get in to college b/c you dont want quotas, will prolly figure out a way to get in to your house. you choose.
and in business, do you not believe that a glass ceiling exists? prolly not b/c youve never felt it. but i have tons a professional friends at fortune 500 companies that are constantly passed up for promotions. its not b/c they arent diligent and hard-working, b/c i ve gotten the instant messages in the middle of the night from them while theyre at work. so what could it be? maybe the good ol boy network. take college football for example, there is no reason that in 114 schools D1 schools, where 80% of the players are minority, that there are only 4 minority head coaches. 4!!!. you mean to tell me that none of the players have aspirations to be head coaches? could you imagine the fallout at alabama had they hired the more qualified assistant coach (who happened to be black), who has been with the school for decades, over mike schula? they could, and thats why they didnt hire him. racist or not?
my point in all of this is that i dont have the answers. but i have a helluva lotta questions. it is easy to sit in the house and say that everyone else outside is "hatin". but i guarantee that were you in the trenches, you may feel different...........


Doc


PS.....my intent is not to offend anyone on this board. i sincerely hope that my opinions havent.

That being said,

Asians make up almost 1/4 of the highest income bracket in the country.
They were slaves as well... Tell me why an African American person is any more vulnerable to racism than an Asain person?


BTW: I'm Asian

Originally posted by DrRick
my bad, i guess i just picked the point that bothered me the most. and that theory of yours really struck a nerve. perhaps i should delete it. anyway, Rush has used his little subtle racial jabs for years to build his fame. nothing has changed and never will. and now he has clones that are doing the same thing (boortz, et al) espn should have known that eventually it would rear its head. i just get tired of black quarterback this or white cornerback that. when you say things like that, you are demeaning their accomplishments by separating them from everyone else. its sports and you would think that politics and race shouldnt play such a role.

Doc

The funny part about this is that Rush has quite a following from many groups of people, including women and minorities. Hell, from many of the calls, you would think them to be some of his strongest supporters. I think Rush is comfortable with his beliefs, and does not feel any prejudice toward people of a different racial background, hence the reason he was comfortable say what he said an how he said it. I know I too sometimes offend those with tender ears because something I say I might not see as racial, but others who are overly concerned about the plight of the minorities do see it that way. Tell me, did you ever say to yourself, that Eminem, Vanilla Ice, or Everlast was getting a little more attention than other rappers because they were white??

Originally posted by SCLexus3.0
That being said,

Asians make up almost 1/4 of the highest income bracket in the country.
They were slaves as well... Tell me why an African American person is any more vulnerable to racism than an Asain person?


BTW: I'm Asian

didnt i just delete that post so as to not have to get into all this? asians were slaves in america when? do you mean the interment camps during WW II? sorry but you cant compare that with what blacks had to go through with slavery in the formative years of america. the initial image of blacks in thus country was as slaves. unfortunately, that view is still alive. correct me if im wrong but asians came to america of their own volition, right?. and then with pearl harbor and the war, the views where changed. but let me say that racism isnt the only problem in the urban community. and those are problems that have to be addressed on the inside. everyone is vulnerable to racism, but imho, its more prevalent towards blacks. feel free to disagree.......


Rick

Originally posted by SDuquette
Tell me, did you ever say to yourself, that Eminem, Vanilla Ice, or Everlast was getting a little more attention than other rappers because they were white??

now thats a damn good point. im sure that they did get more attention b/c of their melanocyte activity. or lack thereof:D and its the fact they entered an arena where no one "like" them had entered. but everlast and eminem (screw vanilla ice) dont want to be "white rappers". they just wanna be rappers. same point. i dont wanna be compared to black chiropractors, i wanna be judged with all chiropractors......


Rick

Originally posted by SCLexus3.0
Don't say that.. Dixie Chicks criticized their President in another Country to thousands. Rush only make a point.


"Now that a conservative says something asinine about a segment of society, it's a non-issue :rolleyes"
Thats crap, what about Trent Lott?

That's a funny way of twisting it. How about the Dixie Chicks said they "were embarassed that Bush was from Texas". That is them telling people how they feel about Bush. It is not a personal attack. Rush Limbaugh on the other hand made a racially based comment saying that the only reason McNabb has his job is because he's black.

Originally posted by EmeraldLexuSC3
Exactly! The Dixie Chicks made a direct personal opionion and Rush made a Media fact observation. :rolleyes:

A "direct personal opinion"....what---what does that mean?! You mean an opinion? They made an opinion and that is somehow more heinous than a racially motivated opinion by Rush? Rush made an "observation"?? So you are alledging that his opinion is a factual observation? You are no better than him if you believe that.

Originally posted by EmeraldLexuSC3
A Headline statement right out of the National Enquirer! :rolleyes:

USATODAY---"Meanwhile, law enforcement officials who spoke on condition of anonymity confirmed to The Associated Press that Limbaugh is being investigated by the Palm Beach (Fla.) County state attorney's office for allegedly illegally buying and abusing prescription painkillers."

Originally posted by SDuquette
Calling Rush a raccist over this would be like calling lex400sc racist against white people because he says Bush isn't qualified for his job.

Hmm, except that I never used race as a qualifier in my statement. Did I say Bush is not qualified for his job and the only reason he still has his job is because he's white?

It is very hard to understand a point of view if you cant see the situation from that view. Some of you will not understand what DrRick is saying because you are not Black. With that being said, remember sports had to be intergrated. So now, even the mention of race has no place in sports. Bottom line he should have said Quarter Back. The fact that he added Black means he was ready for the outlash. I think he knew well what he was saying.

On the sports side.. I think the D-fence carried the team last year. If the D didnt hold, we wouldnt have won a lot of those games last year. Im tired of the QB being interviewed after every game even if he sucked. Its should be a rep from the D their also.

I have friends of all races and I dont see why we cant end this racist way of thinking. It truly hurts us as a people....Matter of fact, this weekend Im going to be partying with a wide varitey of races this weekend with no problems.

Originally posted by SDuquette
Tell me, did you ever say to yourself, that Eminem, Vanilla Ice, or Everlast was getting a little more attention than other rappers because they were white??

Eminem got the attention he did because he was a damn good rapper. At the time, I don't think anyone could or had flowed the way he did, rhyming six or seven lines in a row. I will say that there was a racial factor to the phenomenon of Eminem. Haven't you ever heard the "white rapper" and "w*gg*r" terms, as well as people making fun of white gangsters by calling them "Eminem". Vanilla didn't get crap for attention, he is a joke today. He was a one-hit-wonder and that one hit he stole the music from David Bowie & Queen. Who the heck is Everlast??????

Originally posted by DrRick
didnt i just delete that post so as to not have to get into all this? asians were slaves in america when? do you mean the interment camps during WW II? sorry but you cant compare that with what blacks had to go through with slavery in the formative years of america. the initial image of blacks in thus country was as slaves. unfortunately, that view is still alive. correct me if im wrong but asians came to america of their own volition, right?. and then with pearl harbor and the war, the views where changed. but let me say that racism isnt the only problem in the urban community. and those are problems that have to be addressed on the inside. everyone is vulnerable to racism, but imho, its more prevalent towards blacks. feel free to disagree.......

You're correct DrRick, Asians weren't ever slaves in America and there never was a massive slave trade of Asians in America. Slavery played a huge role in the development of racism against black people. Slavery dehumanized black people and for hundreds of years they were treated as farm tools, insured property, subhuman, no rights and no voice. Many slaves were treated worse than livestock. At least livestock was never beaten to death, lynched, raped, whipped, and unjustly tried in court. If a horse ran away, it would be captured and locked back in the stables. If a slave ran away, he or she was "made into an example".

Originally posted by DrRick
correct me if im wrong but asians came to america of their own volition, right?. and then with pearl harbor and the war, the views where changed. but let me say that racism isnt the only problem in the urban community. and those are problems that have to be addressed on the inside. everyone is vulnerable to racism, but imho, its more prevalent towards blacks. feel free to disagree.......

Yes, Asians were willing immigrants that came to America to find work, and they were paid (poorly) for the work they did. True the Chinese workers were given undesireable, often dangerous jobs, paid the absolute lowest of wages, and died in droves building the Central Pacific Railroad. In California they didn't gain sufferage until the Progressives took power in the state and they did suffer a short term of racism. But this was the same kind of racism experienced by the Irish and Italians---basically an anti-immigrant racism. Western European settlers didn't want these different people taking their jobs. This isn't the same type of racism as "don't drink from the same water fountains as me you scum". The treatment of the Japanese during WW2 wasn't racism as much as it was xenophobia and paranoia of sabotage. Not to diminish the travesty of internment camps, but a racist version of that would be concentration camps like the ones Hitler used. The US interned Japanese-Americans because we were at war with Japan and there was an irrational distrust of Japanese-American loyalties.

For as much as you think you know about music, you ask who is everlast?? Eminem even has an Everlast diss. Anyways, he was from House of Pain, but also had 2 really good solo albums. And for Vanilla Ice, at the time, he was getting a lot of attention as the white rapper, who cares what he is now, we are talking about media hyping someone up because of their race. In their time, they all had quite a bit of attention focused on them, quite a bit more than some much better Black rappers. Uh oh, I used a label, I'm a racist.

Originally posted by SDuquette
So why stop the barrier at sports, I mean if one talks about a black quarter back it's racism. So why is there a double standard when one talks about students, government persons, politicians, activists, etc. it does not have a bad notation. According to all this anger, people should get angry when a media outlet talks about a specific minority doing well at a college, or a successful politician being a minority. what is the difference from saying a black quarterback, a black student, and black congressman excetera. Scholarships and grants that are there to help minorities are not racist. Explain how affirmative action is not racist. If putting a label on someone that is determined by their race is racist, I suppose we better boycott all the racist colleges, employers, loan agencies, and the like that ask for your race on an application. Even if it is for survey reasons, why is it important how a black group of students is doing compared to a hispanic group, compared to a caucasion group. According to your claim, it should just be how the students are doing. You can't say "it's alright to group people together here, but not over there". That is exactly what is being done, and the reason they are doing it is only to discredit a successful WHITE male.
I have this theory that is is wrong to be a successful white male in America, and this does nothing more than to support my theory.

The difference is in the use of these ethnic labels. When you say "black student" or "black Congressman", you are often describing a demographic of people. "Black student" is used in statistics and demographic studies. "Black Congressman" I've only heard used in the context of "the first black Congressman of Arkansas" etc.

The difference of Rush Limbaugh's context in "black quarterback" is that he used that term as a qualifier in his statement and it was also a negative statement. The message he conveyed is that McNabb is overrated and underqualified, and the only reason he's still here is because he is black. He could have worded his sentence and made the exact same point without describing the "quarterback" as black. But here is where the racist part comes in: if you remove the "black" from his statement, you get "the media has been very desirous that a quarterback do well." This statement doesn't make much sense. That is why the statement is racially motivated, because you remove the race, and it loses any meaning.

Originally posted by lex400sc
The difference is in the use of these ethnic labels. When you say "black student" or "black Congressman", you are often describing a demographic of people. "Black student" is used in statistics and demographic studies. "Black Congressman" I've only heard used in the context of "the first black Congressman of Arkansas" etc.

The difference of Rush Limbaugh's context in "black quarterback" is that he used that term as a qualifier in his statement and it was also a negative statement. The message he conveyed is that McNabb is overrated and underqualified, and the only reason he's still here is because he is black. He could have worded his sentence and made the exact same point without describing the "quarterback" as black. But here is where the racist part comes in: if you remove the "black" from his statement, you get "the media has been very desirous that a quarterback do well." This statement doesn't make much sense. That is why the statement is racially motivated, because you remove the race, and it loses any meaning.



I'm just plain loving this. Essentially you are saying you are saying that the rules are different when talking about people of a certain race. Where was the media uproar when "White Men Can't Jump" came out??


Point is, had it been most anybody but Rush, it would have floated on by unnoticed. Tell me, if Al Sharpton had said it, would anyone have cared?

Originally posted by SDuquette
For as much as you think you know about music, you ask who is everlast??

Tell me, how much do I think I know about music? You have a bad habit of making assumptions about me. I never boasted or claimed any level of knowledge about music. And I'm not much of a fan of House of Pain other than I used to play "Jump Around" on the radio all the time. And how much can you assume about my msuci knowledge because I don't know the name of one member of a decade old rap group? Do you know Peter Charell? Dallas Smith? Dan Estrin? If not, you must be music-illiterate!

Originally posted by SDuquette
I'm just plain loving this. Essentially you are saying you are saying that the rules are different when talking about people of a certain race. Where was the media uproar when "White Men Can't Jump" came out??

Apparently you don't have to understand it to "love it"... The rules are different when you use "black" or "white" in an overtly negative connotation. 'White Men Can't Jump' was a basketball comedy with interracial camraderie as a main theme. It wasn't the title of a racist book that outlined why the white race is genetically inferior when it comes to athletic ability.

Originally posted by SDuquette
Point is, had it been most anybody but Rush, it would have floated on by unnoticed. Tell me, if Al Sharpton had said it, would anyone have cared?

No one else would be sutpid enough to say something like "he only got hte job because he's black".

Originally posted by lex400sc


No one else would be sutpid enough to say something like "he only got hte job because he's black".


Guess that is good considering that is not what he said, and so far from anything I've read, you're the only one to say that. I don't think it needs to be reposted what was said, we all know, and if you want to twist around someone words and intentions, by all means do so, but it just detracts from the intellegent things you say once and a while. His comment was on the media, not the player. I will go so far as to say his comment was an attack on the media, probably also fueling the uproar.

Alright, at the risk of ove-analyzing his words...

Rush said, "he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't deserve. The defense carried this team."

Basically Rush is stating that the success of the Eagles was due to the defense, and that McNabb received credit for success that he did not contribute much to. Agreed?

Next Rush says, "The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well."

Basically Rush is saying that the only reason McNabb was recognized for any success in the team is because he is a black man. The media is the one that give him this credit because they want to see a successful black quarterback.

So in reflection, I was incorrect in saying that Rush implied "McNabb only has his job because he's black", BUT Rush is still making the racial suggestion that all of McNabb's past accomplishments were recognized only because he has black skin.

BTW, I never said Rush is a racist, you were the only one to mention that, twice.

The problem is in ANY situation it shouldn't be "black" this or "white" that.

You know what you all are... AMERICANS. If you want to be called a "white" or "black" american then you can't complain about it being applied as an adjective in other scenarios like "white quarterback" or "black quarterback". You CAN NOT pick and choose where you want your racial heritage to be used. It is either used or not.

The problem with this is people get pissed off when something like this is said, but also get pissed off when the GOP and other want things like affirmative action downsized and eventually gone. This is PICKING and CHOOSING and you can't do that, because it is inconsistent.

Either you WANT to be seperated out by our ethnicities or you DON'T WANT to. Pick ONE, don't stand in the middle!

-Ethan

I don't mind being called for what I am: black, white, yellow, brown, or red. The problem rises when people start making excuses like "you're only where you are today because you're black", "he only let you do that 'cause you're white", "you're probably incapable of doing that because you're yellow".

"You know what you all are... AMERICANS. If you want to be called a "white" or "black" american then you can't complain about it being applied as an adjective in other scenarios like "white quarterback" or "black quarterback". You CAN NOT pick and choose where you want your racial heritage to be used. It is either used or not. "

Heck, this is the first time I agree w/ Ebanks. ;)
I have a dark skin (maybe black) – got it mixed from Dad who is black (Portuguese) and Mom who is white (Dutch).

Most people think I am from Cuba :D

You can argue with Limbaugh's opinion that McNabb......currently ranked near the bottom of NFL QBs.....has been overrated and that journalists rooting for him accounts for it. But that race matters in the NFL and in the media coverage of it is indisputable. Instead of shutting up conservatives who notice this, maybe all of Limbaugh's critics should resolve to rollback the NFL coach-hiring policy and never mention race again in connection with a sport that should be all about merit. That should come as a blessed relief to everyone from McNabb to Limbaugh. :rolleyes:

In regard to racial comments that aren't exactly racist (labeling that upsets others),

You are what you are and if you get upset being called that, then you are ashamed that you are whatever that may be in some way. The problem is not with the deliverer of the mesage, but the reciever.

Originally posted by O. L. T.
In regard to racial comments that aren't exactly racist (labeling that upsets others),

You are what you are and if you get upset being called that, then you are ashamed that you are whatever that may be in some way. The problem is not with the deliverer of the mesage, but the reciever.


I've always felt that too, if someone calls me white trash, and I get upset, somewhere inside of me I am upset that it might eb true. But to be honest, I can't remember the last time I took offense to something, maybe I'm just too insensitive like Rush

I'm still waiting for McNabb to apologize for what happened to Regional Denny during the LA riots:) All I can say is when OJ got off for murder nobody in my neighborhood started fires and flip my car over-of course who would want to flip over such a nice car:D

Originally posted by jimxo
I'm still waiting for McNabb to apologize for what happened to Regional Denny during the LA riots:) All I can say is when OJ got off for murder nobody in my neighborhood started fires and flip my car over-of course who would want to flip over such a nice car:D

Why apologize, the white man did that to them 200 years ago, it's not their fault, it's our (white people) faults. Even though my family were french Canadian immigrants and Spanish ranch hands in the southwest, still because of the color of my skin, it's my fault

Has anyone ever seen when they have Chris Rock as a guest on ESPN Sports and he talks? He is the most racist voice out their, even if it is for humor only, he still spouts off EVERYTHING wrong wit duh White Man......

The only think Rush did wrong was to allow a Liberal network to catch something that they could use against him..

Originally posted by SCLexus3.0
......The only think Rush did wrong was to allow a Liberal network to catch something that they could use against him..

Tthe fact that he's a crack head isnt helpin' him out much :D


Maybe he was high when he said it ;)













loser:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Emerald
The fact that he's a crack head isnt helpin' him out much :D Which source sited the fact, that he's a "crack" head?

Originally posted by Emerald
Maybe he was high when he said it ;) Maybe you were too!

Originally posted by Emerald
loser:rolleyes: "Dittos" to you also! :D

Dittos!! Hey, it's big of him to come out with it, at least he "didn't inhale"

crack head....dope fiend....all tha same!

and second: he didnt 'come out'.....he was caught! what the hell else was he supposed to say?

why would I be 'high'?......high on my dope ass, un-fade-able SC maybe ;)

I've made no comments directed towards you, So Why are you calling me a loser?



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Originally posted by SDuquette
Dittos!! Hey, it's big of him to come out with it, at least he "didn't inhale"


BIG of him? man, you must have sum low standards if thats sumthing to look up to. :egads

He shouldnt have been doing it in the first place.....

He should be in jail :D

Pssssssstttttttt.

Do we REALLY want to continue this?


Say "Nooooo".

Thank you. ;)

I'm not sure about National Inquirer, but it was on the Houston Local News about his comments on what should be done to those who do drugs, and then immediately following,.. there was what is goin' to come to him for being a hypocrite and how he is pretty much thru career wise due to how all this has damaged his image.... SELF DESTRUCTION of image,.... ok... I'll forget he tried to dismiss the quarterbacks talent by race and focus on his hangin' his self with his views on others grounded in the same off axis belief system.

(synicism coming on here) : I hope he gets what every poor black male crack head gets for a prison term for possession and use... somethin' outrageous like life for a joint... but OH wait a minute,..he's a rich white male,... he just might not go to jail,... and if he does, it might have a nice leather sofa, big screen tv, and visitation....

If we wanna talk racism.... lets talk punishment for like crimes for different people....

Speaking of conservative hypocracy, which never fails to disappoint....

" It's easy for people to say that if they shoot up on heroin the only people they're hurting are themselves. But that's not true. " - Rush Limbaugh

" Drug abusers destroy their families " - Rush Limbaugh

" If we legalize these vices, we erode the societal support for prohibitions against crimes such as murder. The erosion of the moral fabric of society is a gradual, insidious process. " - Rush Limbaugh

" And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up. " - Rush Limbaugh

Limbaugh also denies that blacks are over-incarcerated compared to whites as a result of the war on drugs. His answer to any such disparity, he said, was to catch more white drug users, " convict them and send them up the river, too. "

Remembering that Rush built up his popularity on criticizing the morality of Clinton and his marijuana experience, how could you argue that he isn't a hypocrit? He completely glazed over Bush's cocaine use in college and his DUI. Talk about selective criticism...

You say Rush isn't racial or racist, but he is just too subtle for you Rush fans to pick it out. Rush once ended a call-in with a black caller on his show with " take that bone out of your nose and call me back. " He also once made the comment about African-Americans: " They are 12 percent of the population. Who the hell cares? " Sounds like role model material to me :rolleyes:

Originally posted by lex400sc
Sounds like role model material to me


Me too, and when he goes through rehab and is cured, he will still be worth $250,000,000.00, he will still have millions of fans, he will still be sought after for his political views, and we all know, what doesn't kill a man only makes him stronger. This is just a bump in the road, and I know he will be back at it expressing his thoughts to millions of people once again. BTW, you talk down on him, what do you have to show for yourself? I would be happy if I was half as intellegent and strong as him. He has faught an upward battle for an extremely long time, so this is nothing new to him.

Originally posted by SDuquette
Me too, and when he goes through rehab and is cured,

Third time's not always a charm ;)

Originally posted by SDuquette
he will still be worth $250,000,000.00, he will still have millions of fans, he will still be sought after for his political views,

Very true, idiots and myrmidons have always outnumbered the intellectuals. Some people *need* to be told how to think, and that's where the Limbaughs of the world come in. Have you ever noticed the depth of conversation in a Limbaugh fan? Nil. They are a walking quotation. If I wanted to hear Limbaugh regurgitations, I'd turn on AM radio.

Originally posted by SDuquette
and we all know, what doesn't kill a man only makes him stronger.

He sure will think twice before he makes another jack-assed remark about drug abusers though :D.

Originally posted by SDuquette
BTW, you talk down on him, what do you have to show for yourself?

For one: I'm not a bigot.

Originally posted by SDuquette
I would be happy if I was half as intellegent and strong as him.

You should set your standards higher.

Originally posted by SDuquette
He has faught an upward battle for an extremely long time, so this is nothing new to him.

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