what do you guys think?

:thumbup: :cool: :thumbup:

I'll tell you this, I will shed no tears for Gray Davis. :D

Maybe he'll make some moves that will help out other body builders... I've heard talk that he could get effedra back on store shelves.. Not that he will, that's just one possibility. He could help out bodybuilders.. That would be pretty awesome..

I dig it!! Arnold is the man!!!!

We're still screwed...just not as much screwed as having Davis as governor. :rolleyes: :sad:

It's great.

wow! i wonder if theyre gonna make a T4. maybe in some other distant future he becomes governor in T4. oh well. i dig arnold so good luck to him and all of us assuming we dont get screwed.

Ahnold was the "Most Powerful Presence For Change" in the Gov's race, and that's why he won.........PERIOD! If the State of Cali was truly looking for Repub leadership, they would have voted in Ultra-Conservative McClintok (thank goodness for you guys they didn't!).
G. Davis had pretty much reached the point of no return when it was apparrent that even most Dems wanted him out and the sheer # of people in the state wanted a recall.
Bustamante, unfortunately did NOT assert himself, nor disassociate himself far enough away from MechA, nor provide a 'Solid Presence' during the debates. Which I personally believe sealed the deal for Ahnold.
I mean he literally had 10x more 'PRESENCE' than anyone on the stage: voice, tone, expressions, etc. He did NOT come across as a Politician in someones back pocket, he is a "rags to riches" American Dream story. He flat out apologized about the allegations, right off the bat. And say what you want, but like he admitted last night during his acceptance speach....Democrat, Maria Shriver had a HUGE factor in his win! She no doubt helped him appeal to not only women, but Democrats, and not-so-conservative Repubs as well.
Hell, I like the guy so much from his movies and the way he once again did NOT come across as a mainstream Politician. And who could not like the guy everytime he said, "Let me tell you somesing!" :D
But seriously though, since I do like him, I as I'm sure TONS of his actor piers, know that he has a TOUGH-A** road ahead of him! This man will have pressure that will make his Mr. Universe competitions look like childs play! :icon9: And I was raised in Cali and still have friends and family there, so I know what the "quick-expectations" are for the man.
One thing that was literally funny about the GOP's response last night was that they ALL felt this was a Win for them come next year in the White House..........:icon8:
I do hope they realize that ALL of this was 90% due to the Hell-Hole of an Economy that Cali suffers from currently........Uhhhh, America is not far behind guys! If we could recall Dubya's arse right now.......Can you say, "Ahsta La Vista Baby!"
I admit, that if the GOP could gain the popularity of Cali, that would be dissasterous for us Dems.......It ain't gonna happen though. http://www.corvetteforum.cc/zeroimg/smilies/nono.gif This was a Perfect example of being the RIGHT person at the RIGHT time. Dubya doesn't have either one of those scenarios to look forward to. ;)

"I admit, that if the GOP could gain the popularity of Cali, that would be dissasterous for us Dems.......It ain't gonna happen though. This was a Perfect example of being the RIGHT person at the RIGHT time. Dubya doesn't have either one of those scenarios to look forward to. "



At this point, I hope most people care less what party is in office and focus on getting the state turned around.

wow...


that's all i can say...

Hope he'll remove that 300% car tax soon:(

Gray Davis: Terminated!

All I have are flashbacks from the movie "Demolition Man" where Sandra Bullock is telling Stallone about the Arnold Schwarzenegger Presidential Library......

Originally posted by Lonely Toothbrush
Hope he'll remove that 300% car tax soon:(

if he does that, it puts California 4 billion more in the hole

so he better find cuts somewhere or it's more debt

Originally posted by stckyfngz
if he does that, it puts California 4 billion more in the hole

so he better find cuts somewhere or it's more debt

Just make some of the low income people pay a couple dollars more in income taxes. There are a few million of them, and hey, whats a couple dollars if you love your state.

Originally posted by stckyfngz
if he does that, it puts California 4 billion more in the hole

so he better find cuts somewhere or it's more debt

It doesn't put CA 4 billion more in the hole, it leaves us as is. I would rather be in a 4-billion dollar hole than pay 300% car tax.

Originally posted by GlobeCLK
It doesn't put CA 4 billion more in the hole, it leaves us as is. I would rather be in a 4-billion dollar hole than pay 300% car tax.

the last budget counts on 4 billion from the car tax
if Arnold gets rid of the tax that's 4 billion dollars less he has to balance the budget
so yes it will put California 4 billion dollars more in the hole

I'm somewhat confused by the phrase "it leaves us as is"?
if you take 4 billion out of the budget, how is that "as is"?

if you don't want to pay the car tax...
I understand
but lets not bury our heads in sand and ignore facts
the state will be 4 billion more in the hole if Arnold gets rid of the tax

Good, now hopefully Arnold with take away the 300% registration increase. And I'm all for paying out a couple of extra bucks for a state which I love living in. However, I would much rather pay it in alcohol tax or cigarette tax . Not gas tax or license tax. Heck, I spend waaaay more money on a year's worth of booze and smokes than I would on one year's registration. Just my 2 cents.

Originally posted by stckyfngz
the last budget counts on 4 billion from the car tax
if Arnold gets rid of the tax that's 4 billion dollars less he has to balance the budget
so yes it will put California 4 billion dollars more in the hole

I'm somewhat confused by the phrase "it leaves us as is"?
if you take 4 billion out of the budget, how is that "as is"?

if you don't want to pay the car tax...
I understand
but lets not bury our heads in sand and ignore facts
the state will be 4 billion more in the hole if Arnold gets rid of the tax

You can't count in something ILLEGAL as budget. That's like saying "our states depend on the 20 billion that Davis will be stealing from other states". Don't count the 4 billion as something that is SUPPOSE to happen. It is illegal, it is morally incorrect, and it's NOT suppose to be calculated as the budget. Why don't we include the 500 million that Bill Gates will donate to CA? Because it's not gonna happen, and why balance in something that's not suppose to be there? Just MO.

Originally posted by GlobeCLK
You can't count in something ILLEGAL as budget. That's like saying "our states depend on the 20 billion that Davis will be stealing from other states". Don't count the 4 billion as something that is SUPPOSE to happen. It is illegal, it is morally incorrect, and it's NOT suppose to be calculated as the budget. Why don't we include the 500 million that Bill Gates will donate to CA? Because it's not gonna happen, and why balance in something that's not suppose to be there? Just MO.

you should probably read up on the history of the California car tax

it hasn't been tripled, actually it's just been put back to it ORIGINAL status of a few years ago

you're making two different arguments

1) that it's illegal (which it isn't) actually it's a law

2) that it's immoral (what ever that means)
so is murder and war, but American's seem to gloss over that

when California was running a huge surplus, we (Californian's) were given a rebate check on the car tax
now that were $39 BILLION in the hole Davis is looking for revenue
the Car Tax is and had been including in the budget for years
do you think this is some new concept?

the car tax isn't a donation (like Bill Gates) it's a source of GAURANTEED revenue
that's why it's in the budget

if Arnold doesn't like it he'll have to get 2/3 of the Assembly and Senate to write him a new law

Originally posted by SDuquette
Just make some of the low income people pay a couple dollars more in income taxes. There are a few million of them, and hey, whats a couple dollars if you love your state.

This is a good statement.......NOT!

Yeah make the poor, poorer by making them pay more than they can afford. Why dont they just do that to the high income people?


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Originally posted by stckyfngz
you should probably read up on the history of the California car tax

it hasn't been tripled, actually it's just been put back to it ORIGINAL status of a few years ago

you're making two different arguments

1) that it's illegal (which it isn't) actually it's a law

2) that it's immoral (what ever that means)
so is murder and war, but American's seem to gloss over that

when California was running a huge surplus, we (Californian's) were given a rebate check on the car tax
now that were $39 BILLION in the hole Davis is looking for revenue
the Car Tax is and had been including in the budget for years
do you think this is some new concept?

the car tax isn't a donation (like Bill Gates) it's a source of GAURANTEED revenue
that's why it's in the budget

if Arnold doesn't like it he'll have to get 2/3 of the Assembly and Senate to write him a new law


Of course the car tax is not some new concept. Of course it's been in the budget for years. But hey why don't they make the car tax 30 times as much as today? Then that'll generate the state 40 billion, and we'll be out of the hole in no time! So it's OK to have 3x the car tax but 30x is too much? To me it's the same thing. The state government trying to juice out every single penny from the people. If they make the car tax 30 times as much as today would you still accept it cheerfully? I think not.

Originally posted by GlobeCLK
Of course the car tax is not some new concept. Of course it's been in the budget for years. But hey why don't they make the car tax 30 times as much as today? Then that'll generate the state 40 billion, and we'll be out of the hole in no time! So it's OK to have 3x the car tax but 30x is too much? To me it's the same thing. The state government trying to juice out every single penny from the people. If they make the car tax 30 times as much as today would you still accept it cheerfully? I think not.

you complain about the deficit
then complain about the manner in which he fixes it
sounds like you'll never be happy
your argument has now changed from the car tax being illegal and/or immoral to "I DON'T LIKE IT"
cool your opinion is duly noted (not too sure when I asked for it)

do I want to pay this car tax...NO
but the reality is California lost 15% of it's revenue due to the dot com bubble burst
that's a lot of money to replace
the three areas of increased spending are centered in: Education, Health Care(for children) and Prisons

Where are you going to cut?

I live in California use it's resources, gain a certain amount of pleasure due to the weather and am willing to pay a little more for it.
You want no sales tax move to Wyoming.

Originally posted by ImportFAN
I think people who succeed should have to pay LESS.........

and I agree....I think lower income should have to pay more......I never got a dime for college, but everyone in CA has the option of free college education?

you want to balance the budget on the backs of poor people?

do "rich" people not use roads, police, fire etc the same as "poor" people?
They should pay less for the same services? Even though they can afford it?
I could understand the argument for a flat tax...
but a regressive tax, so the richest 1% pay nothing
rich welfare is just as bad a poor welfare
why do "rich" people need handouts

plus there's no free ride in California...where did you get that?
the cost of a public education just went up in the new budget

Arnold is the Govenator...

He be back!

Originally posted by Pagong
This is a good statement.......NOT!

Yeah make the poor, poorer by making them pay more than they can afford. Why dont they just do that to the high income people?


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Serious, what is a couple dollars a week, waste more than that on fast food. A couple dollars never made anyone poor, let alone poorer. If that is the case, why are the couple dollars they get off the government not making them richer?? Like I said, there are more poor people than wealthy people, and if someone is in poverty, what's a couple dollars not like you can go any lower than poverty right?? Maybe it's time we start taxing the largest groups, makes sense it would bring in more money?

hahaha, hey, just offering a second opinion, and btw, I am in a low income bracket, and I don't even know what I'm taxed, and I sincerely doubt most people pay much attention either

Originally posted by GS4fun
He be back!

Originally posted by LS400Dom


Awesome man! :cylon:

Originally posted by ImportFAN
You must not be up to date on current events.

read what you're talking about last night and I agree that's CRAP

I hope that doesn't get signed into law

You guys whine too much about a car tax. If you can afford a $40,000 car, why do you make it sound like it's unbearable to pay a proportional amount of tax on it? If you can't afford to drive your Lexus, sell it and get a Scion. It's that simple. The state is in a deficit and BY FEDERAL LAW, the state MUST have a balanced budget at the end of every fiscal year. There's no use in whining about what got us here anymore, it's more productive to focus on a solution. This means we either take out more bonds to pay off old bonds and pay away our state revenue on ass-raping interest rates, or we begin to generate more revenue to dig ourselves out of a bleek future and back into the black. So reflect on your own character and ask yourself do you want to by a miser and fight for a low car tax so that your state can wither away slowly before your eyes, or do you want to man up in times of need and contribute as a citizen who is 100% capable of doing so? California has the most registered vehicles probably in the world. This means it is the greatest source of revenue for the state. Unfortunately this also means it is the largest interest group in the state. People are too greedy and stingy to help contribute to a state in need. Everyone is looking out for their own and their own only. If you hate taxes, you live in the wrong state. Take stcky's advise and move to Wyoming.

Originally posted by stckyfngz
read what you're talking about last night and I agree that's CRAP

I hope that doesn't get signed into law

If you read this online, could you please post me a link? I'm not very up to date on current events either, but this one sounds interesting.

Originally posted by bluepiz
If you read this online, could you please post me a link? I'm not very up to date on current events either, but this one sounds interesting.

I reread it last night, it's not that bad...

the right is claiming were giving free education to illegals

what the law states is that if you've graduated high school have three years residency you don't have to pay out of state tuition when you apply to college

the law APPLIES to everyone not just illegals

the link is newsmax.com so take it for what it's worth

Illegal Aliens Get Tuition Break in California (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/1/17/203903.shtml)

My question is, if they are illegal, why aren't they sent back to try again the right way?? This is what I fail to understand, I mean they are called illegal immigrants because they are breaking the law.

I thought this was great...


http://www.nilsparker.com/mm/arnold-is-coming-louder.mov