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Old 05-23-12, 08:56 AM
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Default So let's all be clear on what the "Spindle" really is...

Better to just jump to the link.

http://kaizenfactor.wordpress.com/20...pindle-grille/
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What does the article clarify? I'm lost.
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Originally Posted by oohpapi44
What does the article clarify? I'm lost.
Basically that Lexus is patenting their Spindle grille to protect it from imitation.

I think it's interesting from a design standpoint to see what they are actually regarding as the spindle. In other words, it's that very angular, trapezoidal, hourglass shape. So when people say they are seeing spindles in other cars it helps to see what the spindle really looks like as defined by Lexus.
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Have any other auto makers trademarked their grille designs before?
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Thanks for the explanation, I couldn't make the correlation. I hope no other company is going to copy the spindle design (including next gen Lexus engineers - sigh)
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Originally Posted by oohpapi44
Thanks for the explanation, I couldn't make the correlation. I hope no other company is going to copy the spindle design (including next gen Lexus engineers - sigh)
Unfortunately, Lexus "thinks" they have a real winner here.. Look at Audi big open-wide mouth grill (nobody copy that crap and i don't think any other co. wants that Spindle "Predator" crap neither..)

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I hope no other company is going to copy the spindle design (including next gen Lexus engineers - sigh)
Yes please, one generation is enough.. its not full blown predator on all of them yet and I'm already tired of looking at them.. (Big Sigh)
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interesting that you can patent a "style" / "shape"
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Originally Posted by rominl
interesting that you can patent a "style" / "shape"
No different than a logo.
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Originally Posted by PhilipMSPT
No different than a logo.
Well, actually yes it is, a lot different. A logo is a distinct design with specific elements that make it unique. Type, color, composition, etc. For example, you really can't trademark the letter "T". But if it's a red, uppercase, serif capital T with a blue dot to the left of it then it's someone's trademark and you can copyright that.

It's a slippery slope in this case because we're talking about a styling element. It would be the same as patenting the Hofmeister kink, which we all know is unprotected.
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Originally Posted by speedflex
Well, actually yes it is, a lot different. A logo is a distinct design with specific elements that make it unique. Type, color, composition, etc. For example, you really can't trademark the letter "T". But if it's a red, uppercase, serif capital T with a blue dot to the left of it then it's someone's trademark and you can copyright that.

It's a slippery slope in this case because we're talking about a styling element. It would be the same as patenting the Hofmeister kink, which we all know is unprotected.
Hofmeister kink is unprotected because it appeared a lot before Hofmeister :-)
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Originally Posted by spwolf
Hofmeister kink is unprotected because it appeared a lot before Hofmeister :-)
But you see what I mean.
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Originally Posted by PhilipMSPT
No different than a logo.
can't patent a logo, only trademark it.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
can't patent a logo, only trademark it.
thank you, paul. you can trademark a shape (and not all shape, it has to has specific elements), but i didn't know you can patent one.
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Lexus should have reserved the spindle for the "F" cars range while continuing using the traditional grille for the basic models.
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Originally Posted by rominl
thank you, paul. you can trademark a shape (and not all shape, it has to has specific elements), but i didn't know you can patent one.
you're welcome. most people don't realize you can't patent an idea for a thing either, only the 'non-obvious' process of creating a thing or the process itself of doing something.
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