beginner clay question
07-01-11, 01:53 PM
#1
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beginner clay question
bought a clay kit, came with two 80 gram peices (blue). i took one of them and split it, and ended up using both halves on the car (RX 330).
question is, at what point does the clay stop working / lose its effectiveness?? (i assumed once it started to come apart easily and flake apart while rubbing)
question is, at what point does the clay stop working / lose its effectiveness?? (i assumed once it started to come apart easily and flake apart while rubbing)
07-01-11, 02:04 PM
#2
What are you using as clay lube?
If you are using any type of soap or shampoo mixed with water.... THAT will cause the clay to break apart and lose effectiveness.
Clay used with dedicated clay lube, quick detailer, or something like ONR (Optimum No-Rinse @ clay lube dilution) should never cause the clay to break apart like you are experiencing.
Used with proper lube, clay becomes dangerous when you have used it on too many cars/panels to the point where it's filled with contamination. At that point, you are risking rubbing the contaminants back into the paint and causing maring. But the clay should not be falling apart.
If you are using any type of soap or shampoo mixed with water.... THAT will cause the clay to break apart and lose effectiveness.
Clay used with dedicated clay lube, quick detailer, or something like ONR (Optimum No-Rinse @ clay lube dilution) should never cause the clay to break apart like you are experiencing.
Used with proper lube, clay becomes dangerous when you have used it on too many cars/panels to the point where it's filled with contamination. At that point, you are risking rubbing the contaminants back into the paint and causing maring. But the clay should not be falling apart.
07-01-11, 03:37 PM
#4
Claying doesn't solely depend on the size of a car. Although the RX is by no means a large SUV, it is larger than the average car. If your RX is not heavily contaminated you could get several safe uses out of a single bar of clay EASILY. Again, it has nothing to do with how big the car is, but how much contamination you pick up.
07-01-11, 03:39 PM
#5
Lead Lap
Thread Starter
the kit included a spray wax detailer, which was used liberally.
the clay only started to break apart after half the car was done.
is it possible that the clay got too saturated with lube, which caused it to break apart?
i will try using it next time i clay, maybe letting it dry out will help.
the clay only started to break apart after half the car was done.
is it possible that the clay got too saturated with lube, which caused it to break apart?
i will try using it next time i clay, maybe letting it dry out will help.
07-01-11, 03:53 PM
#6
the kit included a spray wax detailer, which was used liberally.
the clay only started to break apart after half the car was done.
is it possible that the clay got too saturated with lube, which caused it to break apart?
i will try using it next time i clay, maybe letting it dry out will help.
the clay only started to break apart after half the car was done.
is it possible that the clay got too saturated with lube, which caused it to break apart?
i will try using it next time i clay, maybe letting it dry out will help.
You need to work both in cool climate AND on a cool surface. Sometimes in the summer, that's not possible, so I keep a glass (or some sort of container with water and ice) and periodically dip my clay bar in the cold water so that it doesn't get too soft and sticky. It's a trick I learned a while back from a great detailer and it has worked in the hottest 90+ degree days. Just dip the clay in the cold water and it should instantly (within 10 seconds at least) harden and be ready to use again.
07-02-11, 08:07 AM
#7
Lead Lap
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i managed to pick a cool day, mostly cloudly, and a high of 24 (celcius). also made sure i parked in the garage, so no direct sunlight, and the paint was not hot to the touch, warm at best.
i will put this experience down to being a beginner, better luck next time, luckily i didnt throw the old clay out.
i will put this experience down to being a beginner, better luck next time, luckily i didnt throw the old clay out.
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07-02-11, 09:23 AM
#8
after every panel, inspect the clay, maybe spray some lube right on it and rub off any dirt, pick out any specks, then knead the clay and reform it into a patty.
Tip: Position it across your fingers below your fingertips. If your fingertips are in the clay there is a tendency to press harder with the tips and you break through the clay faster so you will have to reknead etc...
Tip: Position it across your fingers below your fingertips. If your fingertips are in the clay there is a tendency to press harder with the tips and you break through the clay faster so you will have to reknead etc...
07-03-11, 07:15 AM
#9
Lead Lap
Thread Starter
after every panel, inspect the clay, maybe spray some lube right on it and rub off any dirt, pick out any specks, then knead the clay and reform it into a patty.
Tip: Position it across your fingers below your fingertips. If your fingertips are in the clay there is a tendency to press harder with the tips and you break through the clay faster so you will have to reknead etc...
Tip: Position it across your fingers below your fingertips. If your fingertips are in the clay there is a tendency to press harder with the tips and you break through the clay faster so you will have to reknead etc...
like i said, first time claying, very happy with the results.
only other question is, how often should i clay? when the paint feels rough? every year or two??
07-03-11, 08:48 AM
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07-03-11, 04:30 PM
#12
i think that was my problem, as the clay got saturated with lube combined with me pushing too hard with finger tips, the clay started to come apart.
like i said, first time claying, very happy with the results.
only other question is, how often should i clay? when the paint feels rough? every year or two??
like i said, first time claying, very happy with the results.
only other question is, how often should i clay? when the paint feels rough? every year or two??
Whenever your finish feels like it needs it, you can clay. Horizontal panels usually get contaminant buildup and if you park under trees, or drive on the highway a lot, you will definitely need to clay more often.
