Redspencer's Track-Tuned IS350 w/ OS Giken LSD Build Thread
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My car reads an AFR in the mid-upper 13:1 range and my most recent pulls had the timing at 32 degrees. This was with 55-60F intake temperatures, but I still haven't seen where my timing has been pulled in logs where the intake temps were in the 80s. I bet you wouldn't have a problem with 13:1 and 30 degrees, would certainly make more power. RR should at least adjust your tune so that you don't have to just guess about your WOT AFR, anything above pegged at the bottom sounds preferable. Need it or not, you are missing quite a chunk of power up top that can be fixed with a tune. Maybe ill get my car on a dyno next month and we can compare numbers. Your maf values are about the same as mine after correcting for altitude so it wouldn't be an unfair comparison between tunes.
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My car reads an AFR in the mid-upper 13:1 range and my most recent pulls had the timing at 32 degrees. This was with 55-60F intake temperatures, but I still haven't seen where my timing has been pulled in logs where the intake temps were in the 80s. I bet you wouldn't have a problem with 13:1 and 30 degrees, would certainly make more power. RR should at least adjust your tune so that you don't have to just guess about your WOT AFR, anything above pegged at the bottom sounds preferable. Need it or not, you are missing quite a chunk of power up top that can be fixed with a tune. Maybe ill get my car on a dyno next month and we can compare numbers. Your maf values are about the same as mine after correcting for altitude so it wouldn't be an unfair comparison between tunes.
I look forward to seeing what numbers your car pulls with the settings of your existing tune.
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Hey Rafi. Thanks for providing additional input on this thread and for the productive email feedback regarding how the parameters of the RR-Racing tune was determined. Since my KCLV is showing a very strong and healthy 24 at WOT, I do wonder if there's an opportunity to further adjust the ignition timing to 30 degrees vice 27 degrees on the standard tune. ![Big Grin](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
Yeah, I heard that both the engine and transmission was replaced on the 2IS350 test vehicle that you have at the shop so that should resolve the low KCLV reflected on that vehicle.![Thumb Up](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif)
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Yeah, I heard that both the engine and transmission was replaced on the 2IS350 test vehicle that you have at the shop so that should resolve the low KCLV reflected on that vehicle.
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Ignition timing advance- 27.5 degrees
Knock Correction Learning Value (KCLV)- 23.93
Knock Feedback Value- -3 to -4.25 degrees
AFR- 12.08 or 0.78 lambda (which could be 11.5)
My KCLV is near optimal at WOT (24 out of 25) which should mean I have little to no knock. The Knock Feedback Value shows a figure from -3 to -4.25 degrees at WOT (and always -3 degrees at idle and all other RPM ranges). I'm trying to determine if the -3 degrees Knock Feedback Value means that ignition timing is being pulled back or if it's a good indicator because of the high KCLV. I went through the entirety of the IS-F ECU Tuning thread (which I think is a great idea) but I found no answers there: https://www.clublexus.com/forums/is-...ts-please.html
EDIT:It appears that the more negative the Knock Feedback Value, the better. If both my KCLV and Knock Feedback Value are indeed great, it looks like my AFR (which could be 11.5 based on the lambda reading of 0.78) and ignition timing are still not where it should be (30 degrees instead of 27.5 degrees) for optimal power.
From OBD Fusion:
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From Torque Pro:
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Kinda off-topic Red, but it's something I've always wondered if I was correct in saying. If able, pull the ignition timing data upon cold start / cold operation and let me know what readings you get. I'm under the impression that the car pulls timing until at operating temp. Just would like to confirm this since I've wondered about it since I've owned this car.
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Kinda off-topic Red, but it's something I've always wondered if I was correct in saying. If able, pull the ignition timing data upon cold start / cold operation and let me know what readings you get. I'm under the impression that the car pulls timing until at operating temp. Just would like to confirm this since I've wondered about it since I've owned this car.
On a more positive note, I posted my question about the Knock Feedback Value on the IS-F ECU Tuning thread and the responses I received back was that the more negative the degree, the more KCLV increases. The more negative the knock feedback value is the better.
If both my KCLV and Knock Feedback Value are indeed great, it looks like my AFR (which could be 11.5 based on the lambda reading of 0.78) and ignition timing are still not where it should be (30 degrees instead of 27.5 degrees) for optimal power.
Last edited by redspencer; 04-27-18 at 06:54 AM.
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Kinda off-topic Red, but it's something I've always wondered if I was correct in saying. If able, pull the ignition timing data upon cold start / cold operation and let me know what readings you get. I'm under the impression that the car pulls timing until at operating temp. Just would like to confirm this since I've wondered about it since I've owned this car.
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Cold Start:
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Anytime!
There's been a lot of great discussion from several folks here regarding datalogs and what the ECU is reading for both stock and tuned applications. I found the old IS350 ECU tuning Q&A thread that I resurrected today in the Performance section which will hopefully carry forth as our community archive for ECU datalogs and further inquiries as this has been a very interesting topic:
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/per...l#post10185489
There's been a lot of great discussion from several folks here regarding datalogs and what the ECU is reading for both stock and tuned applications. I found the old IS350 ECU tuning Q&A thread that I resurrected today in the Performance section which will hopefully carry forth as our community archive for ECU datalogs and further inquiries as this has been a very interesting topic:
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/per...l#post10185489
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Kinda off-topic Red, but it's something I've always wondered if I was correct in saying. If able, pull the ignition timing data upon cold start / cold operation and let me know what readings you get. I'm under the impression that the car pulls timing until at operating temp. Just would like to confirm this since I've wondered about it since I've owned this car.
So I'm curious, why would this be of interest as none of use are going to jump to WOT when cold. Even after the water is up to temp I **usually** give it another 10 min plus plus plus before opening it up.
I grabbed a boroscope device and to look about inside as I wonder if something is causing spark knock on my engine. At 60,000 mi 5 of the 6 plugs were spotless but #5 had some build up on it. Hopefully all is well as those were the original plugs.
Let us know if you want a new thread for our tune ramblings...
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Feel free to use this thread or the ECU tuning thread for tuning discussions as there are very few 2IS tune threads and I've recently become obsessed with datalogs ever since I took the car to the dyno last month. I'm constantly using either Torque Pro or OBD Fusion to see what the IS350 is doing at all times. ![Stick Out Tongue](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif)
Speaking of tunes, I did receive an updated ECU Tune file from RR Racing earlier this week. Since the process of uploading a new tune had reset my KCLV from a healthy 24 to a pitiful 15, it will take a while before I can build the KCLV back to the mid-twenties in order to determine if the AFR and/or Ignition Timing Advance has improved when the car is at WOT.
Since the weather is starting to warm up quite significantly in FL, I have also been paying close attention to my IAT at both idle and when I'm cruising around town or the freeway. I've been reading DickH's Intake Mod thread earlier today (https://www.clublexus.com/forums/per...d-results.html) and I might play around with a roll of insulation that I have in the garage to see if there will be any performance improvements from wrapping the intake tube and snorkel.
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Speaking of tunes, I did receive an updated ECU Tune file from RR Racing earlier this week. Since the process of uploading a new tune had reset my KCLV from a healthy 24 to a pitiful 15, it will take a while before I can build the KCLV back to the mid-twenties in order to determine if the AFR and/or Ignition Timing Advance has improved when the car is at WOT.
Since the weather is starting to warm up quite significantly in FL, I have also been paying close attention to my IAT at both idle and when I'm cruising around town or the freeway. I've been reading DickH's Intake Mod thread earlier today (https://www.clublexus.com/forums/per...d-results.html) and I might play around with a roll of insulation that I have in the garage to see if there will be any performance improvements from wrapping the intake tube and snorkel.
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After having the revised RR Racing ECU tune for nearly a month and capturing multiple datalogs from both Torque Pro and OBD Fusion, below is a snapshot of the best representative data from 5200-7100 RPMs.
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When compared to the previous tune, this version of the ECU tune has improved the ignition advance from 27.5 to 29.5 degrees. Ignition timing advance has also improved significantly from mid-range as well.
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One factor that hasn't changed with the revised tune is the AFR which is still at 0.787 lambda (mid 11s) when at WOT. I've sent a request to RR Racing to see if they can lean out the AFR for the 2IS350 tune if it has a significant impact. After watching this tuning video that compared HP output between an AFR of mid 11s to 13 (at the 2:26 mark), it looks like there would be little impact to the overall HP:
On a side note, I've been debating on whether or not to get a Megan Racing midpipe to supplement the F-Sport exhaust. Though I anticipate the gains to be very minimum (2-3 rwhp), I still have the urge to make the exhaust note a bit louder.
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Last edited by redspencer; 05-24-18 at 08:57 AM.
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Though completely on a different platform and ZERO personal tuning experience, both back when I had Honda Civics and one that was boosted to WELL above what we make to the wheel, I was informed that a 11.5 AFR was a good, safe figure. Plus I was at a 9.5:1 compression ratio on E85. But I do know that direct injection helps ALOT with this, so yeah. Continue on. LOL!