2024 Toyota Land Cruiser August 1 Debut - Predictions/Reactions
#136
Again that comparison makes no sense. The Land Cruiser is sold as a relatively spartan vehicle all over the world, and has been here as well. "Land Cruiser" is actually 3 lines of vehicles...this is just a different line than we had here previously since the "Wagon" line did not sell well here. Plus again, you can still buy that vehicle as the Lexus LX600.
In any event, this interior still looks pretty luxurious in higher trim:
Since the LC sold so poorly here there aren't many of those to feel that way. This LC will appeal to way more buyers than the old 200 LC ever did. It will sell at least 4-5 times as well as the 200 LC did.
In any event, this interior still looks pretty luxurious in higher trim:
Since the LC sold so poorly here there aren't many of those to feel that way. This LC will appeal to way more buyers than the old 200 LC ever did. It will sell at least 4-5 times as well as the 200 LC did.
#137
Land Cruiser sells well over 6 digits all over the world, here they're just luxed-out cash cows for Toyota. Toyota isn't hurting because it didn't sell 25k LCs, ditto Lexus LX.
That said, this new one will sell a lot more because it's more affordable.
Also it just proves how we are in different areas politically again, this is HEAVY gas guzzling SUV area....200s all over the place, and I mean all over the place. Yet I see virtually zero electric cars other than Teslas and the Taycan every now and then around here. You see all kinds of EVs all day long yet no Land Cruisers. They all must sell in the South.
Regardless I think this new one is a good idea--other than the engine being trash. I just wouldn't want to roam the desert in a hybrid mess versus a V8.... but whatever.
#138
once again agree to disagree. I think my s class analogy is an appropriate parallel. Your mention about the LC not being a spartan vehicle is debunked not only by the previous land cruiser but also by the current land cruiser that is still sold in other countries. I have mentioned this more than once in response to you about the same rebuttal that u have presented. Eventually we end where we started. This is that point as far as I’m concerned.
I think we are to the point where we have heard your specific concerns and its time for you to let the conversation about the new Land Cruiser progress with those that are interested in the new model...
It sold in numbers Toyota expected it to sell. Same with LX. Like I said they don't expect to sell 80,000 of them like Tahoes.
Land Cruiser sells well over 6 digits all over the world, here they're just luxed-out cash cows for Toyota. Toyota isn't hurting because it didn't sell 25k LCs, ditto Lexus LX.
That said, this new one will sell a lot more because it's more affordable.
Land Cruiser sells well over 6 digits all over the world, here they're just luxed-out cash cows for Toyota. Toyota isn't hurting because it didn't sell 25k LCs, ditto Lexus LX.
That said, this new one will sell a lot more because it's more affordable.
Here are the sales in the US from 2005, as you can see very slow seller and they were still selling 2021s in 2022 and 2023, so hardly a quick seller.
Here are the LX sales figures (the 26,000 year is a data error, if you look at the monthlies they are saying it sold 22,000 units in one month, likely should have been 220). As you can see neither sell very well, makes no sense for them to have two separate slow selling vehicles that are the same vehicle
As a comparison, the Ford Bronco is on track to sell ~ 100,000 units. This new Land Cruiser is going to be a runaway sales success that will dwarf the annual sales of the 200 Series LC in a month or less.
Here is the sales breakdown, Ford had already sold over 85,000 Broncos in 2023 through July:
If Toyota does HALF the sales of the Bronco with this it will be a runaway success
Last edited by SW17LS; 08-08-23 at 02:35 PM.
#139
I can't speak to longevity, of course, but every recent hybrid truck or SUV that I've tested (F150 PowerBoost, Tundra TRD Pro, Sequoia, Wrangerl 4Xe) drives really well. Very smooth and torquey.
And, yeah, if Toyota can get into the Bronco market, and I think there are several reasons why the LC is superior (including the fact that it's got more power and it's not a convertible with a plastic top), it's going to be a massive hit in a way the $100K version never was.
And, yeah, if Toyota can get into the Bronco market, and I think there are several reasons why the LC is superior (including the fact that it's got more power and it's not a convertible with a plastic top), it's going to be a massive hit in a way the $100K version never was.
#140
Toyota's cash cow that sells insane is the GX and 4R. LX600 is just extra gravy, even though I've still never seen one.
I agree this new one will sell like hotcakes.
#141
The flaw in your logic is that they were still selling 2021 Land Cruisers in 2022 and 2023 when we had a worldwide vehicle shortage. These vehicles sat on lots, they were not in demand. Again, if they were happy selling 3,500 a year here they wouldn't have stopped doing it.
Toyota's cash cow that sells insane is the GX and 4R.
#142
not bad you say? well how about lexus lx:
i rest my case.
#143
They can buy the virtually identical Lexus LX, but even if there are there are very few of them that will be quickly dwarfed by the huge sales success of this new LC. This is a smart business move for Toyota.
The flaw in your logic is that they were still selling 2021 Land Cruisers in 2022 and 2023 when we had a worldwide vehicle shortage. These vehicles sat on lots, they were not in demand. Again, if they were happy selling 3,500 a year here they wouldn't have stopped doing it.
Not really for the GX. GX sells about 2,500 units a month which is well, well behind other midsized SUVs, but the 4Runner is a big seller, about 130k units a year and for as old as it is thats pretty amazing. This LC will cannabalize a lot of sales from the 4Runner though, look for the 4Runner to move even more downmarket.
The flaw in your logic is that they were still selling 2021 Land Cruisers in 2022 and 2023 when we had a worldwide vehicle shortage. These vehicles sat on lots, they were not in demand. Again, if they were happy selling 3,500 a year here they wouldn't have stopped doing it.
Not really for the GX. GX sells about 2,500 units a month which is well, well behind other midsized SUVs, but the 4Runner is a big seller, about 130k units a year and for as old as it is thats pretty amazing. This LC will cannabalize a lot of sales from the 4Runner though, look for the 4Runner to move even more downmarket.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 08-08-23 at 05:57 PM.
#144
Not really for the GX. GX sells about 2,500 units a month which is well, well behind other midsized SUVs, but the 4Runner is a big seller, about 130k units a year and for as old as it is thats pretty amazing. This LC will cannabalize a lot of sales from the 4Runner though, look for the 4Runner to move even more downmarket.
#148
All I see from sharing the Land Cruiser sales is that there was a consistent sales number ~3500. Demand didn't increase nor wane, and Toyota knew that specific target market that consistently bought the car.
And leftover MYs that sell the following years is common with discontinued specialty cars, dealers holding onto them marked up and sometimes for display.
And leftover MYs that sell the following years is common with discontinued specialty cars, dealers holding onto them marked up and sometimes for display.
#149
It's abundantly clear if Toyota was happy with the sales figures of the J200 Land Cruiser in the US, they'd have brought the J300 here. Clearly it wasn't worth the certification and complicating the LX600's production line to do so. Or they would have done it. They did the calculation and figured that people who can't buy a new J300 but want something that size will buy the LX, or downsize to a different Toyota like the Sequoia or the J250 LC.
#150
I'm sure that's exactly what Toyota's mindset was. I'm just pointing out that the LC200's sales remained extremely consistent nearly it's whole life.
Also FWIW, who knows the LC300 could've seen insane success in the US, the same way it did overseas all of a sudden seeing over 2 year long waitlists in some markets, which was unheard of with the LC200.
Also FWIW, who knows the LC300 could've seen insane success in the US, the same way it did overseas all of a sudden seeing over 2 year long waitlists in some markets, which was unheard of with the LC200.