2024 Toyota Land Cruiser August 1 Debut - Predictions/Reactions
08-15-23, 05:47 PM
#198
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sure, i understand you wanting V8, just pointing out that worldwide, LC200s have been sold with crap diesel V8 (and not I6).
4.6l V8 was quite good in LC200, just sooooo thirsty. For rest of the world, regular V8 is just not an option anymore due to consumption and then associated taxes as well.
4.6l V8 was quite good in LC200, just sooooo thirsty. For rest of the world, regular V8 is just not an option anymore due to consumption and then associated taxes as well.
08-16-23, 04:30 AM
#199
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08-16-23, 04:31 AM
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08-16-23, 05:58 AM
#201
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08-16-23, 09:39 AM
#202
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Ok I said I was done talking about the engine but calling it an "I-Force Max" when the last one was a 350CI V8 is a bit of a stretch.
At least think about that, to those that disagree with me.
Toyota surely could have come up with something clever, that's even better (for this application).
At least think about that, to those that disagree with me.
Toyota surely could have come up with something clever, that's even better (for this application).
08-17-23, 05:00 AM
#203
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Ok I said I was done talking about the engine but calling it an "I-Force Max" when the last one was a 350CI V8 is a bit of a stretch.
At least think about that, to those that disagree with me.
Toyota surely could have come up with something clever, that's even better (for this application).
At least think about that, to those that disagree with me.
Toyota surely could have come up with something clever, that's even better (for this application).
08-17-23, 08:40 AM
#204
Not sure if this is a dumb question, but from my experience owning a PHEV, the battery drains pretty quickly. Is all 465 lb/ft of torque still available when the battery is drained or nearly drained? I can picture situations where the truck is off road and it doesn't have much opportunity to recharge, thus draining the battery.
08-17-23, 09:20 AM
#205
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Not sure if this is a dumb question, but from my experience owning a PHEV, the battery drains pretty quickly. Is all 465 lb/ft of torque still available when the battery is drained or nearly drained? I can picture situations where the truck is off road and it doesn't have much opportunity to recharge, thus draining the battery.
08-18-23, 03:01 AM
#206
Not sure if this is a dumb question, but from my experience owning a PHEV, the battery drains pretty quickly. Is all 465 lb/ft of torque still available when the battery is drained or nearly drained? I can picture situations where the truck is off road and it doesn't have much opportunity to recharge, thus draining the battery.
We took a Tundra TRD Pro (it's exclusively a hybrid) on a fairly challenging off-road course and were surprised at how little the hybrid powertrain came into play. Our cross-country trip in the Rivian R1T and our time with the Jeep Wrangler 4xe has made us fans of electric off-roading, but when we shifted the transfer case of the Tundra TRD Pro to 4-Low range, the gas engine started and stayed running for the length of the trail, and we were unable to detect the hybrid system offering assistance as we crawled through the dirt and mud. We asked Toyota's engineers why there's no silent electric off-roading option, and they cited the clutch between the engine and motor. Connecting and disconnecting the engine and motor would cause a jerk, the antitheses of the smooth throttle modulation that off-roading requires. They assured us the motor can help out if you open the accelerator climbing a grade or crossing a bog.
08-18-23, 07:55 AM
#207
Plug-in hybrids will run on electric-only (unless you override this and/or stomp on the gas pedal) until there's only enough juice to run as a traditional hybrid. It's unclear, to me at least, how power levels drop as the battery depletes. But this iFORCE MAX is more like a traditional hybrid in that 1) it's not a plug-in, so the battery is smaller on purpose which helps them charge and discharge quickly, 2) the battery should always have enough power for maximum torque (unless, perhaps, one did several back-to-back 0-60 or quarter mile tests) because it will recharge itself from the motor and/or the brakes as needed.
For the Sequoia and Tundra TRD Pros that I've driven, as well as the F150 PowerBoost, which are more similar to the LC, the hybrid motor effectively works in tandem with the turbos... on the cluster, you'll see a gauge for each that displays how much the turbo is spooling, and how much the e-motor is helping. And all of that is controlled by the computer's interpretation of throttle input, vehicle geometry, driving mode, and various sensors (wheel speed and such). Those vehicles never ran in e-only mode unless I was cruising on flat terrain and under ~20mph (so basically parking lots and a congested highway)... otherwise, it was a combination of ICE, turbos, and e-motor.
In those applications, I don't really see the benefit to silent crawling since, as the engineers pointed out, smoothness is the goal. And in low-range, the gearing is so extreme, the computer may not need to add very much e-boost, as it were.
But trust me, brake-torque one of these turbo/hybrid trucks and plant your foot and you'll launch super hard off the line. In other words, the power is there when you really need it (towing & acceleration, or as the engineers said, going up grades and through bogs).
For the Sequoia and Tundra TRD Pros that I've driven, as well as the F150 PowerBoost, which are more similar to the LC, the hybrid motor effectively works in tandem with the turbos... on the cluster, you'll see a gauge for each that displays how much the turbo is spooling, and how much the e-motor is helping. And all of that is controlled by the computer's interpretation of throttle input, vehicle geometry, driving mode, and various sensors (wheel speed and such). Those vehicles never ran in e-only mode unless I was cruising on flat terrain and under ~20mph (so basically parking lots and a congested highway)... otherwise, it was a combination of ICE, turbos, and e-motor.
In those applications, I don't really see the benefit to silent crawling since, as the engineers pointed out, smoothness is the goal. And in low-range, the gearing is so extreme, the computer may not need to add very much e-boost, as it were.
But trust me, brake-torque one of these turbo/hybrid trucks and plant your foot and you'll launch super hard off the line. In other words, the power is there when you really need it (towing & acceleration, or as the engineers said, going up grades and through bogs).
08-18-23, 08:14 AM
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