coming big uaw strike?
10-30-23, 02:46 PM
#361
Lexus Fanatic
Problem is.....it hasn't been feeding enough. That's why the strike itself occurred. Workers used to get pensions, until they went out years ago.
And, when workers DID get pensions, the Big Three were at their peak, so one cannot say that the pensions will bankrupt the companies. The more benefits the workers lost over the years, the worse things got for the companies...until the 2008-2009 bailouts.
And, when workers DID get pensions, the Big Three were at their peak, so one cannot say that the pensions will bankrupt the companies. The more benefits the workers lost over the years, the worse things got for the companies...until the 2008-2009 bailouts.
10-30-23, 03:04 PM
#362
Lexus Fanatic
10-30-23, 05:19 PM
#363
10-30-23, 05:42 PM
#364
Lexus Fanatic
As for electric vehicles, there is a lot I could say about that, but it would probably be getting into the area of politics, and the moderators would probably cut it off.
10-30-23, 05:44 PM
#365
Lexus Fanatic
10-30-23, 05:51 PM
#366
Lexus Fanatic
Second, I never said that execs should not earn more. More responsibility usually means more pay...this is not Socialism or Communism. But, when you have the huge gaps between execs and workers you have today, they need a little evening out...especially when one considers that the company could not operate without the workers. Vehicles don't build themselves.
10-30-23, 05:52 PM
#367
Lexus Fanatic
Anyhow, the strike, for all intents and purposes, seems to be almost over. The workers seem to be getting a decent pay increase, but still apparantly no word on the most important thing of all...pensions.
10-30-23, 05:57 PM
#368
Lexus Fanatic
First, you are apparently being sarcastic. Second, I never said that execs should not earn more. More responsibility usually means more pay...this is not Socialism or Communism. But, when you have the huge gaps between execs and workers you have today, they need a little evening out...especially when one considers that the company could not operate without the workers. Vehicles don't build themselves.
Second, I never said that execs should not earn more. More responsibility usually means more pay...this is not Socialism or Communism. But, when you have the huge gaps between execs and workers you have today, they need a little evening out...especially when one considers that the company could not operate without the workers. Vehicles don't build themselves.
10-30-23, 06:21 PM
#369
Lexus Champion
First, you are apparently being sarcastic. Second, I never said that execs should not earn more. More responsibility usually means more pay...this is not Socialism or Communism. But, when you have the huge gaps between execs and workers you have today, they need a little evening out...especially when one considers that the company could not operate without the workers. Vehicles don't build themselves.
Second, I never said that execs should not earn more. More responsibility usually means more pay...this is not Socialism or Communism. But, when you have the huge gaps between execs and workers you have today, they need a little evening out...especially when one considers that the company could not operate without the workers. Vehicles don't build themselves.
10-30-23, 06:27 PM
#370
Lexus Fanatic
10-30-23, 06:47 PM
#371
Lexus Fanatic
This was proved long ago, in Japan, by Toyota and other companies. That is why unionization was never a big issue in Japan, and why their vehicles were so well-assembled for so many years....and showed the industry in other countries how to do quality. Unions, in general, were not needed there. The companies treat their employees much different than in the U.S., and the employees feel like they are part of a family.
10-30-23, 06:48 PM
#373
Lexus Fanatic
You are not seeing the forest for the trees. It's not a matter of talking-points, or of being "vague" or non-vague, but of simple facts. It's also a matter of worker morale...the more the workers feel that the company is trying to be fair and even-handed with them, even apart from hard numbers, the better they will feel about their jobs, and the more likely they will be to do the best they can.
This was proved long ago, in Japan, by Toyota and other companies. That is why unionization was never a big issue in Japan, and why their vehicles were so well-assembled for so many years....and showed the industry in other countries how to do quality. Unions, in general, were not needed there. The companies treat their employees much different than in the U.S., and the employees feel like they are part of a family.
This was proved long ago, in Japan, by Toyota and other companies. That is why unionization was never a big issue in Japan, and why their vehicles were so well-assembled for so many years....and showed the industry in other countries how to do quality. Unions, in general, were not needed there. The companies treat their employees much different than in the U.S., and the employees feel like they are part of a family.
10-30-23, 06:55 PM
#374
Lexus Fanatic
With all due respect, you just want to argue for the sake of arguing. I'm done with this conversation.
But, in all fairness, I will recommend this article on the strike, from the New Yorker magazine, which is excellently-written. It is rather long, so I did not copy and paste.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...ust-belt-green.
But, in all fairness, I will recommend this article on the strike, from the New Yorker magazine, which is excellently-written. It is rather long, so I did not copy and paste.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...ust-belt-green.
Last edited by mmarshall; 10-30-23 at 07:03 PM.
10-30-23, 07:26 PM
#375
Lexus Champion
You are not seeing the forest for the trees. It's not a matter of talking-points, or of being "vague" or non-vague, but of simple facts. It's also a matter of worker morale...the more the workers feel that the company is trying to be fair and even-handed with them, even apart from hard numbers, the better they will feel about their jobs, and the more likely they will be to do the best they can.
This was proved long ago, in Japan, by Toyota and other companies. That is why unionization was never a big issue in Japan, and why their vehicles were so well-assembled for so many years....and showed the industry in other countries how to do quality. Unions, in general, were not needed there. The companies treat their employees much different than in the U.S., and the employees feel like they are part of a family.
This was proved long ago, in Japan, by Toyota and other companies. That is why unionization was never a big issue in Japan, and why their vehicles were so well-assembled for so many years....and showed the industry in other countries how to do quality. Unions, in general, were not needed there. The companies treat their employees much different than in the U.S., and the employees feel like they are part of a family.
How about allow people who perform to be treated properly for doing well and not threatened with being fired for making the normal dregs look bad.