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that is a good insight … but depends how much bigger the crown estate is vs rav/Venza either way a Toyota hybrid station wagon would be a cool addition to the line up
it’s quite insane the number of models and engine choices Toyota is churning out
Very doubtful they will get rid of the Highlander or the name itself. When one thinks of mainstream SUVs, it's always Highlander, Pilot, Explorer and possibly the Korea twins.
No question the Crown SUV will render the Crown sedan an eentsy-teensy sales footnote.
As for resembling the old Camry-based Venza, I think that car was ahead of its time. People are more ready for carlike "SUV" station wagons now, and I don't think that will hurt its sales in the slightest. Pricing will determine whether this car sells.
My quick take: The Crown Signia is interesting I'd personally argue it's better looking than either the Lexus RX or TX and it has more of a wagon vibe. I think it's going to outsell the Crown (lifted sedan) and I was surprised no MAX powertrain.
The Camry update is fine. I was surprised there was no TRD or Turbo model, but perhaps that will come later.
I think the beehive pattern grill looks better than the horizontal line one.. but if I'm reading it correctly the horizontal lines one is actually the higher trim level. (Edit: never mind, the beehive is the XSE and the horizontal lines is the XLE)
The Signia looks okay, but I don't see why Toyota would drop a name like Venza, which people already identified with. The name Signia is foreign, and seems like uneccessary work to start over. Same can be said for the name Crown. No one knows what that is in the U.S., and there is no common heritage here to the average Joe. I think this is poor marketing across the board and shows Toyota is not fully in touch with our culture. Lastly, didn't Mitsubishi have a Signia model in the 80's? I googled it, but nothing came up. I'm certain there was already a car with a very similar name here in the 80's. Maybe it was a different manufacturer. *Edit: Mitsubishi Sigma.
On to the "new" Camry. It has Corolla and Prius vibes, yet does not make any big splash like the new Prius did. The front looks like a porpoise with a mail slot. Not attractive. Rear is clean and tidy, but very disappointed Toyota saw fit to bring in the much maligned lobster claw taillights. No one liked them on the last gen Accord, and even Honda got the hint after six long years. Interior is an improvement. Also like the fact it's all hybrid. No need for gas engines anymore when there's enough boost from the dual set-up and superior economy numbers. And speaking of that, they better be improved. But I have a feeling they will not be. Latest Prius did not gain there and I'd be surprised if this did here.
The Camry is more of a mid-cycle refresh instead of all new. Same side profile as the previous gen. front is aligned to the new Toyota looks - CHR, Prius etc.
Camry in Japan was already offered in Hybrid 4WD for the last gen, so its nothing new.
The Signia looks okay, but I don't see why Toyota would drop a name like Venza, which people already identified with. The name Signia is foreign, and seems like uneccessary work to start over. Same can be said for the name Crown. No one knows what that is in the U.S., and there is no common heritage here to the average Joe. I think this is poor marketing across the board and shows Toyota is not fully in touch with our culture.
disagree. first venza was a fail, and second did ok, but i think they're building a 'crown' brand and aligns with camry and corolla (all 'c's).
i don't care for the signia name, i think crown cross or something might have been better.
On to the "new" Camry. ... The front looks like a porpoise with a mail slot. Not attractive.
11-08-23, 02:25 PM
