AJT123

That Maybach is stunning.

Toys4RJill

no W12 cylinder

SW17LS

But remember, sales are UP. That’s what you refuse to accept. You can’t say with any credibility that they made a mistake when sales are up.

Have you read any reviews of the new Accord? They still praise the chassis lol. Having the engine doesn’t mean anything if enough people don’t buy it to make it make sense for them to keep offering it.

I think you will find very few mainstream buyers who “won’t drive a hybrid”. Remember in every survey I have seen asking buyers what is most important to them, #1 is fuel economy. Performance isn’t even in the top 10

Times are different than they were 20-30 years ago. Honda has the larger Civic that they do have sportier versions of for that consumer today. The Accord is left for the pedestrian sedan buyer who isn’t looking for that sort of thing.

I would not at all be surprised if GM no longer offered V8 trucks in 2030.

Here is one such survey, where is performance and 0-60 time? Not on there.

Carfan94

It is truly shocking to see how low down on the list driving comfort is!

bitkahuna

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it's hard to feel comfortable if you can't afford the gas to put in it.

bitkahuna

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maybach's have never had 'w12's, that's vw/audi (2 v6's bolted together) thing.

SW17LS

Maybach can be had in a V12…better than a W12 IMO

Toys4RJill

That Twelve Cylinder Bentley flagship luxury saloon I see all the time has a top speed of 207mph. I wonder what the top spec S class hits?

TangoRed

I’m really not going to miss that W12 much. I’ve driven several Bentleys with that motor and, while interesting, it doesn’t sound as good as a traditional V12. It’s a novelty item and the V8 character fits the sporting image of Bentley just fine imo.

AJT123

I'm not refusing to accept anything, lol. I didn't deny that!

But what would it hurt to bring back a little speed to the Accord? It wouldn't make the sales worse. I bet that guy in the Accord that got dusted by a huge 10 year old SUV wishes they didn't drop the 2.0t.

We'll just see. I would not be surprised if they bring back something way better engine-wise. Things like this have happened before in the car world, it ain't unheard of.

The bet was more specific, IIRC you said they would all be EV. Not splitting hairs, and in any case it's all on here in the threads but I don't care to find it. The bet is will GM still offer V8 trucks in 2030.

We'll see on that one too. That's less than 6 years away, and GM is coming out with a new small block.

Toys4RJill

the irony is that Honda has a new V6 engine. Naturally aspirated




more irony




also another V6 with turbo. All new in 2023






GM has a new V8. Naturally aspirated

Sales of sedans are up because crossovers and trucks are more expensive. Because of higher interest rates and inflation, many consumers are downsizing to a cheaper alternatives.


I don’t think this will apply to all demographics

SW17LS

Businesses aren’t in business to do things that “don’t hurt”. They build cars to make money, this is a mainstream family car.

9.9/10 people would never race anything in an Accord lol

Not gonna happen.

I did not say GM would be selling all EV trucks by 2030…

AJT123

That’s just not true. 9.9/10? So then what were the odds of that race the other night? I’m terrible at math but 100:1? I promise that guy wished it still had the 2.0T lol.

We are not all mindless vessels that just buy whatever is thrown at us.

About our bet I’m gonna dig at some point but I don’t really care, we know what it is clearly now. V8 or not from GM in 2030.

AJT123

BTW I do silly little bets like this with friends in real life CONSTANTLY, albeit not about cars much.

This isn’t a bytchy huge bet, just a friendly stupid wager.

SW17LS

The odds of that race were very small lol. Are you sure the guy was even racing you? If he was he had no idea what his cars capability is. Of course a moron is born every minute.

I find these “race” stories questionable. Somehow in my 25 years of driving I’ve never been in a street race, and nobody has ever tried to get me to race them to my knowledge.

Again look at the sales figures and look at the surveys of what buyers want. That explains all of the product decisions carmakers make. Nobody is saying buyers are mindless vessels, they buy what they want and what they want is fuel economy over performance in a mainstream vehicle. What the majority of buyers want and what you want is just not the same.