General Car Conversation 2024 - part 1
05-17-24, 09:31 PM
#3886
Lexus Fanatic
The low sales-level of the LS may not necessarily be because of comparison to an S-Class. The market for large/luxury sedans in the U.S. has been going downhill for years. That's why the Kia K-900, Cadenza, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Chevy Impala, Buick Lacrosse, Lincoln Continental, Cadillac CT6, and others like them are no longer available...and why the Chrysler 300's days are also probably numbered. How long the Genesis G90 and G80 sedans will be available in the U.S. is also an interesting question.
My comment about other people not realizing I got a new car doesn’t have anything to do with caring what they think,‘it’s a comment that replacing something with something new that looks just like what you replaced is kind of silly.
i'm always caught by surpise when anyone looks at my car. i was getting in my lc the other day at a medical facility and this guy was walking into the parking lot and yelled "is that yours?" i said yes. and he said "that's bad ***, man!" i got a good laugh over that. 
No need to laugh at the guy, just be gracious and say thank you.
ha, well you're not really considering it. basically wasting his time.
The guy has sold at least 7 cars off of me too, he’s doing fine. In sales we do things for old customers all the time that may or may not result in business. Part of the job.
I care a lot about styling. And the new S class I haven’t warmed up to it yet. I’m still stuck on the W221. The W223 It just looks so bland and watered down to me. And the interior with the glossy black plastic and no ***** and buttons wouldn’t appeal to me. I think I’d rather have a late SWB LS 460 over both of them. My Lexus dealer has a nice 2017 in stock. So many things I like better on it….
I also don’t dwell on older versions of cars. I don’t drive or buy older cars so what a car may have looked at in a previous version doesn’t mean anything to me. I liked my 2017 LS a lot but I would never go back to it
05-17-24, 11:21 PM
#3888
Lexus Test Driver
Yeah, both my 92 LS400 and my parents' 91 LS400 looked pretty beat-up inside in the low 100k mile range 10-15 years ago.
At a minimum the seats would have had to be redone somewhere in that 435k. That's a lot of *** in seat time.
At a minimum the seats would have had to be redone somewhere in that 435k. That's a lot of *** in seat time.
05-18-24, 07:50 AM
#3889
Lexus Fanatic
It all has to do with how you take care of the car. I could absolutely keep an interior in great shape for that long.
05-18-24, 08:23 AM
#3890
As I have said before anybody who buys a full sized $100k+ luxury sedan who tells you they don’t care about public perception on any level is lying to you. Prestige is absolutely part of it.
My comment about other people not realizing I got a new car doesn’t have anything to do with caring what they think,‘it’s a comment that replacing something with something new that looks just like what you replaced is kind of silly.
Well, you did buy one of the flashiest cars one can buy under $150k lol
No need to laugh at the guy, just be gracious and say thank you.
Didnt say that I wasn’t considering it at all, if the numbers were really compelling I would consider it.
The guy has sold at least 7 cars off of me too, he’s doing fine. In sales we do things for old customers all the time that may or may not result in business. Part of the job.
I don’t buy cars for looks. I want them to look attractive to me, but I buy a big car like this for how it drives and how comfortable it is. It’s not the kind of car you sacrifice those things for looks…
I also don’t dwell on older versions of cars. I don’t drive or buy older cars so what a car may have looked at in a previous version doesn’t mean anything to me. I liked my 2017 LS a lot but I would never go back to it
My comment about other people not realizing I got a new car doesn’t have anything to do with caring what they think,‘it’s a comment that replacing something with something new that looks just like what you replaced is kind of silly.
Well, you did buy one of the flashiest cars one can buy under $150k lol
No need to laugh at the guy, just be gracious and say thank you.
Didnt say that I wasn’t considering it at all, if the numbers were really compelling I would consider it.
The guy has sold at least 7 cars off of me too, he’s doing fine. In sales we do things for old customers all the time that may or may not result in business. Part of the job.
I don’t buy cars for looks. I want them to look attractive to me, but I buy a big car like this for how it drives and how comfortable it is. It’s not the kind of car you sacrifice those things for looks…
I also don’t dwell on older versions of cars. I don’t drive or buy older cars so what a car may have looked at in a previous version doesn’t mean anything to me. I liked my 2017 LS a lot but I would never go back to it
I care a lot about styling. And the new S class I haven’t warmed up to it yet. I’m still stuck on the W221. The W223 It just looks so bland and watered down to me. And the interior with the glossy black plastic and no ***** and buttons wouldn’t appeal to me. I think I’d rather have a late SWB LS 460 over both of them. My Lexus dealer has a nice 2017 in stock. So many things I like better on it….
05-18-24, 08:29 AM
#3891
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
replacing something with something new that looks just like what you replaced is kind of silly.
No need to laugh at the guy, just be gracious and say thank you.
I don’t buy cars for looks.
05-18-24, 08:31 AM
#3892
Lexus Fanatic
Yeah I love the way the 223 looks, I also love my 222, but it is starting to feel a little dated in places. I still don't like the interior layout as much as mine, but it is what it is.
05-18-24, 08:33 AM
#3893
Lexus Test Driver
You buy new every 3 years friend.
You must be hypothetically speaking is my guess. 🛸. 🤓
As I get older, what looks dated still looks new to me. Lol
05-18-24, 08:33 AM
#3894
Lexus Fanatic
mmkay... lol.
Hence the 7 vs the S Class, I like the looks of the S Class better but thats not what made the decision between the two for me.
05-18-24, 08:38 AM
#3895
Lexus Fanatic
My Ford Explorer had 225,000 miles on it and the interior was also perfect. LS400 had 165,000 miles on it and the interior was perfect.
05-18-24, 08:43 AM
#3896
I should know this by now lol, but you're keeping the S560 for 6 more months and then re-evaluating?
The S Class is so good, I don't think there's anything out there to make you change.
The S Class is so good, I don't think there's anything out there to make you change.
05-18-24, 08:51 AM
#3898
Lexus Fanatic
Well, at the risk of sounding like a broken phonograph record, except for some engine/transmission ECU control-quirks (and the oil-sludging in the ES300 version if you got lax with oil changes), that generation of ES was, IMO, the best one ever built. It definitely had the nicest interior.
05-18-24, 09:18 AM
#3899
Lexus Fanatic
Well, at the risk of sounding like a broken phonograph record, except for some engine/transmission ECU control-quirks (and the oil-sludging in the ES300 version if you got lax with oil changes), that generation of ES was, IMO, the best one ever built. It definitely had the nicest interior.
05-18-24, 09:35 AM
#3900
Lexus Fanatic
I still don’t know lol. I got an email today from my local dealer offering me $52k for mine, it was an automated email which is funny. If they would offer me $52k for mine then I could trade it now.
No oil slugging in 4ESs, that’s a 3ES issue. No doubt it’s a good one. I have gotten my $39,000 out of that car without a doubt
No oil slugging in 4ESs, that’s a 3ES issue. No doubt it’s a good one. I have gotten my $39,000 out of that car without a doubt
The 4Gen ES came in both ES300 and ES330 versions, depending on the size of the V6. The shift to the 3.3L V6 (ES330) came in 2004....still within the same-generation vehicle.