General Car Conversation 2024 - part 1
05-29-24, 12:19 PM
#4156
Lead Lap
I wish my model year had the S68 engine that the X7 M60i has now which is a true M engine. Are there any issues with those engines?
05-29-24, 01:20 PM
#4158
Lexus Champion
I just bought out my X7 with the N63 engine, what type of issues are you seeing with that engine? The one thing I’ve mentioned before is I think I have to top off the coolant once a quarter to once every six months. I just had it in for the 30k service and they topped it off again and found no leaks, they just said it’s normal to have to top it off every once in a while.
I wish my model year had the S68 engine that the X7 M60i has now which is a true M engine. Are there any issues with those engines?
I wish my model year had the S68 engine that the X7 M60i has now which is a true M engine. Are there any issues with those engines?
Turbo coolant lines (very often)
Turbo oil line leaks under the turbos at the return
Valve cover leaks (plastic)
Some valvetronic, I doubt you will see it at lease miles
Same with Vanos
Same with carbon buildup
I have done 3 of them that lost piston rings but the miles and history were high and "eh" so I can't say if that's a real issue.
It's a very powerful engine with stupid power easily had (look at the M5s) but just too finicky for me personally unless I'm using it in a race style chassis. Cars they come are not worth the headache to me personally for the money unless it's an M5 but I'm not an M5 type of guy.
05-29-24, 01:20 PM
#4159
Lexus Champion
05-29-24, 01:49 PM
#4160
Yep here it’s Chargers, Challengers and Infiniti’s or “fin-fins” as they call them. Not making that up!
05-29-24, 01:56 PM
#4161
The videos I've seen on YouTube are in moderate to heavy traffic. Various Parkways around NYC like Palisades, Beltway etc seem to be their hotspots. Insane stuff.
05-29-24, 02:00 PM
#4162
Pole Position
I guess dealers are still doing their thing as long as they can get away with it
https://jalopnik.com/dealer-finance-...rth-1851497470
https://jalopnik.com/dealer-finance-...rth-1851497470
Even when you get a deal on something at a dealer, they’ll still find a way to try and get some more money out of you to make up for the fact that you got said deal. Take how Hyundai covered an engine replacement for my car, but the dealer still said I needed to part with $800 for new hoses and belts. The main place things like this happen at dealerships is in the finance managers office. Going over those final contracts dealers will often try and sneak things in like extended warranty plans and gap insurance. Take a dealer that tried to sneak in $20,000 worth of extras on a customer.
This latest dealer grift comes to us by way of a tweet on X via friend of the site Zach Shefska of CarEdge and Ray & Zach on YouTube. In the tweet, Zach says that they recently helped a customer with a Lexus deal at Lexus of Englewood, New Jersey. Except when they got to the finance manager’s officer, they tried to throw on thousands of dollars in extras. Wanting a bit more info, I reached out to Zach for some more details.
He informed me that they helped the customer get their Lexus and negotiated $7,000 off sticker for the vehicle. Apparently, the dealer finance manager may not have liked that the customer got $7,000 off. Zach says they were informed of what the manager was trying to pull through a message from one of the guys working on the deal. “You gotta be kidding me,” read the message. Not long after the customer sent them over the vehicle contract.
Image: CarEdgeAs you can see, the total vehicle price is just over $90,000. Yet the manager tried adding on nearly $21,000 in bull**** extras. A near $9,000 extended warranty on top of a $5,000 maintenance contract, another $5,000 for “tire wheel and product,” more insurance from Toyota for $1,200 and most egregious of all, $1,240 for an “optional sales commission.”
Surprisingly, Zach says they were able to get all the extra crap removed and the deal moved forward. Personally, seeing that would have been a deal breaker for me and I would have torn up the contract and walked. I’m sure though whoever’s buying that Lexus is a better person than I am.
And what of the sales manager that tried to pull a fast one? I asked Zach does he know what happened to them, he said he’s not sure. I’d bet money though that nothing happened and that the person is still sitting pretty in their office.
This latest dealer grift comes to us by way of a tweet on X via friend of the site Zach Shefska of CarEdge and Ray & Zach on YouTube. In the tweet, Zach says that they recently helped a customer with a Lexus deal at Lexus of Englewood, New Jersey. Except when they got to the finance manager’s officer, they tried to throw on thousands of dollars in extras. Wanting a bit more info, I reached out to Zach for some more details.
He informed me that they helped the customer get their Lexus and negotiated $7,000 off sticker for the vehicle. Apparently, the dealer finance manager may not have liked that the customer got $7,000 off. Zach says they were informed of what the manager was trying to pull through a message from one of the guys working on the deal. “You gotta be kidding me,” read the message. Not long after the customer sent them over the vehicle contract.
Image: CarEdgeAs you can see, the total vehicle price is just over $90,000. Yet the manager tried adding on nearly $21,000 in bull**** extras. A near $9,000 extended warranty on top of a $5,000 maintenance contract, another $5,000 for “tire wheel and product,” more insurance from Toyota for $1,200 and most egregious of all, $1,240 for an “optional sales commission.”Surprisingly, Zach says they were able to get all the extra crap removed and the deal moved forward. Personally, seeing that would have been a deal breaker for me and I would have torn up the contract and walked. I’m sure though whoever’s buying that Lexus is a better person than I am.
And what of the sales manager that tried to pull a fast one? I asked Zach does he know what happened to them, he said he’s not sure. I’d bet money though that nothing happened and that the person is still sitting pretty in their office.
05-29-24, 02:10 PM
#4163
Lexus Fanatic
I guess dealers are still doing their thing as long as they can get away with it
https://jalopnik.com/dealer-finance-...rth-1851497470
https://jalopnik.com/dealer-finance-...rth-1851497470
05-29-24, 02:16 PM
#4164
Lexus Test Driver
Valve seals
Turbo coolant lines (very often)
Turbo oil line leaks under the turbos at the return
Valve cover leaks (plastic)
Some valvetronic, I doubt you will see it at lease miles
Same with Vanos
Same with carbon buildup
I have done 3 of them that lost piston rings but the miles and history were high and "eh" so I can't say if that's a real issue.
It's a very powerful engine with stupid power easily had (look at the M5s) but just too finicky for me personally unless I'm using it in a race style chassis. Cars they come are not worth the headache to me personally for the money unless it's an M5 but I'm not an M5 type of guy.
Turbo coolant lines (very often)
Turbo oil line leaks under the turbos at the return
Valve cover leaks (plastic)
Some valvetronic, I doubt you will see it at lease miles
Same with Vanos
Same with carbon buildup
I have done 3 of them that lost piston rings but the miles and history were high and "eh" so I can't say if that's a real issue.
It's a very powerful engine with stupid power easily had (look at the M5s) but just too finicky for me personally unless I'm using it in a race style chassis. Cars they come are not worth the headache to me personally for the money unless it's an M5 but I'm not an M5 type of guy.
I hate HOA"s but I always joke that I would gladly form an HOA where the only rule is no VQ engines allowed.
05-29-24, 02:20 PM
#4165
Lexus Test Driver
@BayouLexus might enjoy this video.
The 5.0 beat the GM 6.2 and Stellantis 3.0 on a fuel economy test. Obviously these tests are limited to a controlled loop and don't fit everybody's individual needs, but it was interesting for sure. I expected the 3.0 to do better given that the small turbocharged engines usually beat the V8's at unladen highway driving while losing at city or towing MPG. These were all 4x4 trucks with each manufacturer's special off-road trim(Rebel, AT4, Tremor).
The new Tundra wasn't included because they were comparing the new 3.0 to V8 engines. I'll be interested to see more data on these as they get more miles.
The 5.0 beat the GM 6.2 and Stellantis 3.0 on a fuel economy test. Obviously these tests are limited to a controlled loop and don't fit everybody's individual needs, but it was interesting for sure. I expected the 3.0 to do better given that the small turbocharged engines usually beat the V8's at unladen highway driving while losing at city or towing MPG. These were all 4x4 trucks with each manufacturer's special off-road trim(Rebel, AT4, Tremor).
The new Tundra wasn't included because they were comparing the new 3.0 to V8 engines. I'll be interested to see more data on these as they get more miles.
05-29-24, 02:26 PM
#4166
Super Moderator
Thread Starter
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05-29-24, 02:35 PM
#4167
Lexus Champion
@BayouLexus might enjoy this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kcdX5AG4Do
The 5.0 beat the GM 6.2 and Stellantis 3.0 on a fuel economy test. Obviously these tests are limited to a controlled loop and don't fit everybody's individual needs, but it was interesting for sure. I expected the 3.0 to do better given that the small turbocharged engines usually beat the V8's at unladen highway driving while losing at city or towing MPG. These were all 4x4 trucks with each manufacturer's special off-road trim(Rebel, AT4, Tremor)..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kcdX5AG4Do
The 5.0 beat the GM 6.2 and Stellantis 3.0 on a fuel economy test. Obviously these tests are limited to a controlled loop and don't fit everybody's individual needs, but it was interesting for sure. I expected the 3.0 to do better given that the small turbocharged engines usually beat the V8's at unladen highway driving while losing at city or towing MPG. These were all 4x4 trucks with each manufacturer's special off-road trim(Rebel, AT4, Tremor)..
Yes, I am very interested to see how the Toyota 3.4tt performs as the years go by. So far, ehhh. Not too terrible but not that good either.
05-29-24, 02:38 PM
#4169
Lexus Champion
People like that are why we can't have unlimited speed sections
05-29-24, 02:40 PM
#4170
Lexus Champion
@BayouLexus might enjoy this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kcdX5AG4Do
The 5.0 beat the GM 6.2 and Stellantis 3.0 on a fuel economy test. Obviously these tests are limited to a controlled loop and don't fit everybody's individual needs, but it was interesting for sure. I expected the 3.0 to do better given that the small turbocharged engines usually beat the V8's at unladen highway driving while losing at city or towing MPG. These were all 4x4 trucks with each manufacturer's special off-road trim(Rebel, AT4, Tremor).
The new Tundra wasn't included because they were comparing the new 3.0 to V8 engines. I'll be interested to see more data on these as they get more miles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kcdX5AG4Do
The 5.0 beat the GM 6.2 and Stellantis 3.0 on a fuel economy test. Obviously these tests are limited to a controlled loop and don't fit everybody's individual needs, but it was interesting for sure. I expected the 3.0 to do better given that the small turbocharged engines usually beat the V8's at unladen highway driving while losing at city or towing MPG. These were all 4x4 trucks with each manufacturer's special off-road trim(Rebel, AT4, Tremor).
The new Tundra wasn't included because they were comparing the new 3.0 to V8 engines. I'll be interested to see more data on these as they get more miles.