General Car Conversation 2024 - part 1
06-19-24, 11:31 AM
#4816
Lexus Test Driver
06-19-24, 11:52 AM
#4817
Lexus Fanatic
Originally Posted by Toys4RJill
But full-time 4WD is so good, so it’s not just the engine. Personally I think the 2UZ is superior but full time 4WD has to be coupled with it
Trust me....Jill faces FAR different conditions in upstate NY and Ontario/Canada, particularly in the winter, than you do in Nevada.
06-19-24, 12:13 PM
#4819
Lexus Test Driver
Conditions vary across North America, and having options because of that is great. Most truck owners will never need full-time 4WD. I like only spinning the rear wheels when I'm not off-roading it. I engage 4wd once a month just to keep everything lubricated up front.
06-19-24, 01:18 PM
#4820
Lexus Test Driver
It's a parkway so I'm in the hammer lane, was passing somebody as I took this pic(part of why it's so blurry and unfocused).
Conditions vary across North America, and having options because of that is great. Most truck owners will never need full-time 4WD. I like only spinning the rear wheels when I'm not off-roading it. I engage 4wd once a month just to keep everything lubricated up front.
Conditions vary across North America, and having options because of that is great. Most truck owners will never need full-time 4WD. I like only spinning the rear wheels when I'm not off-roading it. I engage 4wd once a month just to keep everything lubricated up front.
I used the 4x4 maybe only two or three times.
And, the times I used it I didn't really NEED it, I just took risks I normally wouldn't take in a 2WD.
Such as a Uturn in a highway median.
The tall grass was hiding the fact that the water was at the bottom of my door deep and swampy.
My tires started spinning as I said oh (put curse word here). Haha
Switched to 4x4 and slowly crawled out
Yeah, I was young and dumb.
06-19-24, 08:18 PM
#4821
Lexus Fanatic
there is this experience that it provides that I really like. I’ve had it for more than 30 years plus dating back to early 90s. Having permanent traction at the front and permanent traction at the back is just awesome. Split about 30/70 but is variable as you make turns. stop and then turn is slightly different in traction. All on dry pavement you can feel the grip. And then you have gravel roads roads of some light gravel on the corners as you turn. Snow sleet. Rain light rain. I’ve had a number of small boats and trailers over my life, and just knowing that your front axle and your rear axle both have traction is reassuring compared to rear wheel drive. And with 4Runner, there is no penalty to take it, it has the same MPG. Also less parts to fail. Toyota has this automatic disconnecting differential at the front, a lot of people aren’t aware of it, this is there part time design. Many of the parts still have friction and are still moving so you might as well get the full time. . They’re they just disconnected and the propeller. And when you lock it, you have the equivalent of a two wheel drive shifting into four-wheel-drive part times system. I am just surprised you have such an aversion to it. But it’s all good
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 06-20-24 at 04:20 AM.
06-19-24, 09:04 PM
#4822
Lead Lap
there is this experience that it provides that I really like. I’ve had it for more than 30 years plus dating back to early 90s. Having permanent traction at the front and permanent traction at the back is just awesome. Split about 30/70 but is variable as you make turns. stop and then turn is slightly different in traction. All on dry pavement you can feel the grip. And then you have gravel roads roads of some light gravel on the corners as you turn. Snow sleet. Rain light rain. I’ve had a number of small boats and trailers over my life, and just knowing that your front axle and your rear axle both have traction is reassuring compared to rear wheel drive. And with 4Runner, there is no penalty to take it, it has the same MPG. Also less parts to fail. Toyota has this automatic disconnecting differential at the front, a lot of people aren’t aware of it. Many of the parts still have friction and are still moving. They’re they just disconnected and the propeller. And when you lock it, you have the equivalent of a two wheel drive shifting into four-wheel-drive part times system. I am just surprised you have such an aversion to it. But it’s all good
06-20-24, 12:47 AM
#4823
Lexus Champion
there is this experience that it provides that I really like. I’ve had it for more than 30 years plus dating back to early 90s. Having permanent traction at the front and permanent traction at the back is just awesome. Split about 30/70 but is variable as you make turns. stop and then turn is slightly different in traction. All on dry pavement you can feel the grip. And then you have gravel roads roads of some light gravel on the corners as you turn. Snow sleet. Rain light rain. I’ve had a number of small boats and trailers over my life, and just knowing that your front axle and your rear axle both have traction is reassuring compared to rear wheel drive. And with 4Runner, there is no penalty to take it, it has the same MPG. Also less parts to fail. Toyota has this automatic disconnecting differential at the front, a lot of people aren’t aware of it. Many of the parts still have friction and are still moving. They’re they just disconnected and the propeller. And when you lock it, you have the equivalent of a two wheel drive shifting into four-wheel-drive part times system. I am just surprised you have such an aversion to it. But it’s all good
06-20-24, 04:25 AM
#4824
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
i have driven numerous 'awd' and '4wd' vehicles. they all seem the same to me in terms of traction. of course i wasn't on some contrived lethal 'off road' situation. 
06-20-24, 04:49 AM
#4825
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
seriously impressive car mod machining shop.
06-20-24, 07:43 AM
#4827
Lexus Champion
06-20-24, 07:45 AM
#4828
Lexus Champion
there is this experience that it provides that I really like. I’ve had it for more than 30 years plus dating back to early 90s. Having permanent traction at the front and permanent traction at the back is just awesome. Split about 30/70 but is variable as you make turns. stop and then turn is slightly different in traction. All on dry pavement you can feel the grip. And then you have gravel roads roads of some light gravel on the corners as you turn. Snow sleet. Rain light rain. I’ve had a number of small boats and trailers over my life, and just knowing that your front axle and your rear axle both have traction is reassuring compared to rear wheel drive. And with 4Runner, there is no penalty to take it, it has the same MPG. Also less parts to fail. Toyota has this automatic disconnecting differential at the front, a lot of people aren’t aware of it, this is there part time design. Many of the parts still have friction and are still moving so you might as well get the full time. . They’re they just disconnected and the propeller. And when you lock it, you have the equivalent of a two wheel drive shifting into four-wheel-drive part times system. I am just surprised you have such an aversion to it. But it’s all good
06-20-24, 07:54 AM
#4829
Lexus Fanatic
AWD vehicles are way more sure footed. Make a right turn and pin the throttle on my S560 and do the same thing in the RWD LS460L I had and the difference would be huge...the S560 has no wheelspin and all grip even having 100 more HP and 150 more ft/lbs of torque.
For on road driving AWD is all you need. If you are driving somewhere in deep snow or really loose terrain the ability to lock the transfer case on a 4WD vehicle is important.
For on road driving AWD is all you need. If you are driving somewhere in deep snow or really loose terrain the ability to lock the transfer case on a 4WD vehicle is important.
06-20-24, 08:24 AM
#4830
Lexus Test Driver
When I don't need 4 wheels turning, I want 2 wheels turning. I don't want my front axle spinning, I don't want the front driveshaft spinning. I can get 20 MPG highway which would be impossible with full-time 4WD.
Never really struggled when it rains as long as I'm reasonable with the throttle. I'll use 4WD on the rare event I'm driving in snow where it's too difficult to move forward in 2WD(I generally spend the Christmas holiday in Utah). Otherwise I just use 4WD on trails and through sand, or if I need low range to pull trees/stumps out of the ground on our property.
Never really struggled when it rains as long as I'm reasonable with the throttle. I'll use 4WD on the rare event I'm driving in snow where it's too difficult to move forward in 2WD(I generally spend the Christmas holiday in Utah). Otherwise I just use 4WD on trails and through sand, or if I need low range to pull trees/stumps out of the ground on our property.
Last edited by FrankReynoldsCPA; 06-20-24 at 08:28 AM.