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Old 07-16-24, 04:49 PM
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ILSAC is a US standard, it wouldn't be used in Europe.
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Old 07-16-24, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Allen K
ILSAC is a US standard, it wouldn't be used in Europe.
Not every oil is ILSAC in the US. That Euro spec oil is available in the US

it wouldn't be used in Europe.
It is used in Europe, Toyota cars use it in Europe
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You misunderstand. An oil made and marketed for the European market would not certify to ILSAC because ILSAC is a US standard. They would be wasting money certifying it to ILSAC because the US is not the target market. Euro oil is made to ACEA standards (Association des Constructeurs Européens d'Automobiles). Whether or not you can get Euro spec oil in the US is beside the point.

Edit: I personally don't care about the oil debate, but the question I was looking to answer was why Euro spec oil would not certify for ILSAC standards
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Old 07-16-24, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Allen K
You misunderstand. An oil made and marketed for the European market would not certify to ILSAC because ILSAC is a US standard. They would be wasting money certifying it to ILSAC because the US is not the target market. Euro oil is made to ACEA standards (Association des Constructeurs Européens d'Automobiles). Whether or not you can get Euro spec oil in the US is besides the point.
I didn’t misunderstand you.

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ILSAC is a US standard, it wouldn't be used in Europe.
You said it would not be used in Europe. But it is used in Europe.
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Old 07-16-24, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Toys4RJill
You are incorrect. There are many oils not compliant with the ILSAC standard. Specially Euro spec oil








It absolutely is a shot at Toyota for no reason.
You have multiple people here telling you that you’re wrong, and you are. Like Allen said in Europe they use a different standard than ILSAC. Those European oils would pass ILSAC they just don’t pay to be certified because they don’t sell them here.

And please don’t tell me that I’m taking a shot at Toyota, I’ve made it very clear that isn’t the case and that I don’t consider the fact that Mercedes requires a bunch of different specs a plus.
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Originally Posted by Toys4RJill
I didn’t misunderstand you.



You said it would not be used in Europe. But it is used in Europe.
ILSAC is not used in Europe as it's not a European standard. ILSAC is a US standard. Is there an overlap between them? Probably. But a Euro spec oil would not certify to ILSAC instead of ACEA. They might do both, but not ILSAC over ACEA
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
You have multiple people here telling you that you’re wrong, and you are. Like Allen said in Europe they use a different standard than ILSAC. Those European oils would pass ILSAC they just don’t pay to be certified because they don’t sell them here.

And please don’t tell me that I’m taking a shot at Toyota, I’ve made it very clear that isn’t the case and that I don’t consider the fact that Mercedes requires a bunch of different specs a plus.
The claim was that ILSAC certified was not used in Europe
but it is.
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Old 07-16-24, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Allen K
ILSAC is not used in Europe as it's not a European standard. ILSAC is a US standard.
But it is used in Europe. Toyota uses that oil in Europe. You can buy ILSAC certified oil in Europe
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Old 07-16-24, 05:25 PM
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Source? I'm in the German equivalent of Autozone and in my spot checking I've not seen any oil that has ILSAC listed

https://www.atu.de/kategorie/oele-un...toroele-w5565/

Toyota might use 0W20 in the US and EMEA, but the EMEA SKU will definitely be state it meets the ACEA standard instead of ILSAC
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Originally Posted by Toys4RJill
depends on the car. A S500 can use .52

I think your S580 is supposed to be .52 or .61

What does it say in the manual?



They absolutely have a spec. 100%. It usually applies to all Japanese manufactures under a joint program

The spec for my 4Runner is ILSAC GF-5
Lol, that's spec is basically asking "is it oil?"
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Old 07-16-24, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by geko29
Because all requiring ILSAC-GF-5 really says is "Use motor oil that is approved for use in engines". Just like requiring DOT tires just means "use tires that are legal for public roads." Well yes of course you should do both of these things. In both cases, "meeting the spec" is a bar so low as to be utterly meaningless.
Exactly lol! Toyota, the bare minimum! I mean for gods sake their OE fluids aren't even synthetic and yet they price them like gold for 15 year old specs.
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Old 07-16-24, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Toys4RJill
But it is used in Europe. Toyota uses that oil in Europe. You can buy ILSAC certified oil in Europe
Yeah.....and that oil is using the newer 6 revision of that spec so it's the same bare minimum requirement.
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Old 07-16-24, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Allen K
Source? I'm in the German equivalent of Autozone and in my spot checking I've not seen any oil that has ILSAC listed

https://www.atu.de/kategorie/oele-un...toroele-w5565/

Toyota might use 0W20 in the US and EMEA, but the EMEA SKU will definitely be state it meets the ACEA standard instead of ILSAC





https://www.atu.de/produkt/motoroel-...1-liter-ba0021







and inside Toyota manuals as state it as well


t meets the ACEA
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some Toyotas use the ACEA and some use JASO. This is the 48V hybrid diesel Hilux.
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Old 07-16-24, 06:35 PM
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That oil meets both. I'm looking for one that's ILSAC only and sold in Europe

I don't get the point of the manual posts? What regions are the cars made for? I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that a US market car is going to request ILSAC and Euro is going to state ACEA
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Old 07-16-24, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Allen K
That oil meets both. I'm looking for one that's ILSAC only and sold in Europe

I don't get the point of the manual posts? What regions are the cars made for? I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that a US market car is going to request ILSAC and Euro is going to state ACEA
‘Those are European sold cars. Those engines are not used in North America.

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. I'm looking for one that's ILSAC only and sold in Europe
I


https://www.misteroil.eu/en-eu/shop/...-economy-extra
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