General Car Conversation 2024 - part 1
03-04-24, 07:55 PM
#2101
Lexus Test Driver
For most buyers including me, the additional low end power makes the experience an upgrade not a downgrade. Once you get used to turbo power bands these old V6s really feel slow around town.
Is it marginally less smooth and refined feeling? Maybe…but modern cars are so well isolated that it’s really not a big deal. I thought the turbo 4 in that K5 I rented in Alabama a couple years ago felt totally at home in that car.
Now a Mercedes or a Lexus? I want a turbo 6 not a turbo 4, but I also don’t want a NA 6. SL43 and C63 are stupid, but for a mainstream family
car? Different story
Is it marginally less smooth and refined feeling? Maybe…but modern cars are so well isolated that it’s really not a big deal. I thought the turbo 4 in that K5 I rented in Alabama a couple years ago felt totally at home in that car.
Now a Mercedes or a Lexus? I want a turbo 6 not a turbo 4, but I also don’t want a NA 6. SL43 and C63 are stupid, but for a mainstream family
car? Different story
03-04-24, 07:57 PM
#2102
Lexus Fanatic
For most buyers including me, the additional low end power makes the experience an upgrade not a downgrade. Once you get used to turbo power bands these old V6s really feel slow around town.
Is it marginally less smooth and refined feeling? Maybe…but modern cars are so well isolated that it’s really not a big deal. I thought the turbo 4 in that K5 I rented in Alabama a couple years ago felt totally at home in that car.
Now a Mercedes or a Lexus? I want a turbo 6 not a turbo 4, but I also don’t want a NA 6. SL43 and C63 are stupid, but for a mainstream family
car? Different story
Is it marginally less smooth and refined feeling? Maybe…but modern cars are so well isolated that it’s really not a big deal. I thought the turbo 4 in that K5 I rented in Alabama a couple years ago felt totally at home in that car.
Now a Mercedes or a Lexus? I want a turbo 6 not a turbo 4, but I also don’t want a NA 6. SL43 and C63 are stupid, but for a mainstream family
car? Different story
03-04-24, 08:01 PM
#2103
Lexus Fanatic
I get that, but that’s just not the reality of the world we’re in. That’s a mental hangup, and we’re not talking about luxury cars, we’re talking about mainstream cars. LX should have a V8 available I agree, but is it an issue that the Highlander only comes in a 4 now? I don’t see how it is.
03-04-24, 08:04 PM
#2104
Lexus Fanatic
The Highlander should have a newly developed small 3.0 V6 with a turbo. The four should be the option. But MPG is not different. Like 1MPG
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 03-04-24 at 08:08 PM.
03-05-24, 02:35 AM
#2110
and don't forget much of that just comes down to the transmission, once you get moving the newer car will start to lose the gearing advantage
but yes once you get used to the effortless wafty V8 which has no trouble at ANY speed and rpm, the boosted 4 cyl feels labored and unrefined before the turbo wakes up... and once it does there's only like 1000 rpm of "the fun part" before the torque delivery becomes monotonous and dreary sounds fill the cabin lol
https://youtu.be/C2s4ETiRwCA?t=838
https://youtu.be/DNbCllKH3ls?t=10
ahh that's more like it
muscley V8 philharmonic
but yes once you get used to the effortless wafty V8 which has no trouble at ANY speed and rpm, the boosted 4 cyl feels labored and unrefined before the turbo wakes up... and once it does there's only like 1000 rpm of "the fun part" before the torque delivery becomes monotonous and dreary sounds fill the cabin lol
https://youtu.be/C2s4ETiRwCA?t=838
https://youtu.be/DNbCllKH3ls?t=10
ahh that's more like it
muscley V8 philharmonicThe 6 cylinder in the Porsche sounds good though.
03-05-24, 06:14 AM
#2112
Agreed. Mazda and Honda are still using 6 cylinder engines in their large crossovers.
03-05-24, 06:18 AM
#2114
Lexus Fanatic
As for the Sienna, they sell all the Siennas they can make and the incredible fuel economy is one of the reasons everybody I know who has one tells me they bought it.
Like it or not consumers just don’t care about the bigger engine options, they want fuel economy.
03-05-24, 06:26 AM
#2115
Lexus Fanatic
The regular gas V6 gets 1MPG over the new I4. That what I was referring to. So if Toyota had a new V6, absolutely they could get similar miles to the outgoing V6. The Sienna doesn't have enough power some say. It is the downsizing that is of concern.