General Car Conversation 2024 - part 1
#4576
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
where do you come up with this stuff?
No wonder your electric bill is enormous.
'Fancy eco crap' lol. So any units 20+ years old may be using Freon. Have you seen the price of that lately if you have a leak?
My last 'old school Trane' (2004) single speed outdoor unit died after about 3 years. Thankfully warranty fixed.
i replaced all mine last year (Trane again) and my electricity bill dropped 50-100 a month. And the house is way more comfortable.
I have a 1994 fridge in my garage from when the house was redone, still works perfectly and I'm actually temped to run a water line to it so I can have ice outside.
The king is still my 1993 AC unit. This is year 31 and last year I gave it a full cleaning and new coil tray plus run caps as a treat.
The king is still my 1993 AC unit. This is year 31 and last year I gave it a full cleaning and new coil tray plus run caps as a treat.
My last 'old school Trane' (2004) single speed outdoor unit died after about 3 years. Thankfully warranty fixed.
i replaced all mine last year (Trane again) and my electricity bill dropped 50-100 a month. And the house is way more comfortable.
#4577
Lexus Champion
where do you come up with this stuff?
No wonder your electric bill is enormous.
'Fancy eco crap' lol. So any units 20+ years old may be using Freon. Have you seen the price of that lately if you have a leak?
My last 'old school Trane' (2004) single speed outdoor unit died after about 3 years. Thankfully warranty fixed.
i replaced all mine last year (Trane again) and my electricity bill dropped 50-100 a month. And the house is way more comfortable.
No wonder your electric bill is enormous.
'Fancy eco crap' lol. So any units 20+ years old may be using Freon. Have you seen the price of that lately if you have a leak?
My last 'old school Trane' (2004) single speed outdoor unit died after about 3 years. Thankfully warranty fixed.
i replaced all mine last year (Trane again) and my electricity bill dropped 50-100 a month. And the house is way more comfortable.
I said I want what y'all (the a/c installers) have in your houses, boom-- Trane XR for the win. I also see these ones same model as mine at commercial buildings so there's more proof they're the beasts they are.
No frills, tried and true, works well, like a 38. That's what I want out of my HVAC.
I really don't care about my power bill but it did go down a little, I think. IDK, IDC.
#4578
Lexus Champion
I updated/upgraded our furnace and AC 6 years ago and they're both working fine. No issues, no repairs and our electric and gas bills have dropped significantly. It can be done.
#4579
Lexus Champion
where do you come up with this stuff?
No wonder your electric bill is enormous.
'Fancy eco crap' lol. So any units 20+ years old may be using Freon. Have you seen the price of that lately if you have a leak?
My last 'old school Trane' (2004) single speed outdoor unit died after about 3 years. Thankfully warranty fixed.
i replaced all mine last year (Trane again) and my electricity bill dropped 50-100 a month. And the house is way more comfortable.
No wonder your electric bill is enormous.
'Fancy eco crap' lol. So any units 20+ years old may be using Freon. Have you seen the price of that lately if you have a leak?
My last 'old school Trane' (2004) single speed outdoor unit died after about 3 years. Thankfully warranty fixed.
i replaced all mine last year (Trane again) and my electricity bill dropped 50-100 a month. And the house is way more comfortable.
#4581
Lexus Fanatic
If you know people who have new modern systems they are unhappy with, its because they were sold the wrong system for their house or something like that.
You just like old basic stuff lol
Man check out that old Chrysler Fifth Avenue. My dad had a 1987 one the same color.
#4582
Lexus Champion
Funny because I have over 1,000 real estate clients, 400 of which own properties we manage actively on an ongoing basis and I have never heard one person hate their modern, sophisticated HVAC system. I literally have never heard one. There is no reason not to like a modern high SEER rated HVAC system, they heat and cool better than older systems, they are more efficient, quieter, safer...nothing not to like. I have also never heard one person who replaced their old system with a new system and didn't think the new system was better. Not a single time.
If you know people who have new modern systems they are unhappy with, its because they were sold the wrong system for their house or something like that.
You just like old color.
If you know people who have new modern systems they are unhappy with, its because they were sold the wrong system for their house or something like that.
You just like old color.
Trane has units that have like 99 speeds, zoning, and are sold on being efficient and saving energy, hard pass. Like I said the HVAC employees told me off the record the new fancy stuff is junk. I want a workhorse no frills. I have two of these beasts brand new:
#4583
Lexus Fanatic
Nothing fancier is going to cool this house down any faster, that I can guarantee. Mine is SEER rated and modern, and our bill has gone down—I just don’t care.
Trane has units that have like 99 speeds, zoning, and are sold on being efficient and saving energy, hard pass. Like I said the HVAC employees told me off the record the new fancy stuff is junk. I want a workhorse no frills. I have two of these beasts brand new:
Trane has units that have like 99 speeds, zoning, and are sold on being efficient and saving energy, hard pass. Like I said the HVAC employees told me off the record the new fancy stuff is junk. I want a workhorse no frills. I have two of these beasts brand new:
You're misunderstanding what "efficiency" in regards to HVAC means, its not about saving money neccessarily its about putting cooling and heating power to effective use. More efficient systems cost less to run AND heat and cool better. I have a Bryant Evolution system with multiple zones and its amazing. The concept of a system like that is to be more efficient, but the efficiency is not necessarily about saving money its about taking a big house like this that only has one zone (when it should have two zones) and making it work with one physical zone. Efficiency means that cooling power is being put to its best use, not being wasted. One no frills system in my house would not cool the house, and installing a second zone is not feasible because of how the house would have to be torn apart to redo the ducting. I know this because I see my neighbors with the same houses and window units in their upstairs bedrooms lol. In order to keep the house as cool as my multi-zone fancy system does I would need window units or mini-splits upstairs and it would cost WAY more to run and not work as well.
I don't understand the aversion to efficiency and the celebration of spending money unnecessarily. Bringing it back to cars, you say you don't care what fuel costs all the time...well I would love to pay less for fuel. I'm not going to not buy cars I want because of fuel mileage, but I don't look at the huge tally at the gas pump and say "oh yeah!"
Last edited by SW17LS; 06-13-24 at 06:43 PM.
#4584
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
i have 2 speed compressors and variable speed air handlers. not only is it incredibly efficient, but it's also silent, because it runs more often but at lower speeds. it's wonderful.
also, AJT, that 16 SEER trane xr unit is solid, but i don't like how it has the open top, lets leaves and crap fall in.
my units have covered tops...
also, AJT, that 16 SEER trane xr unit is solid, but i don't like how it has the open top, lets leaves and crap fall in.
my units have covered tops...
#4585
Lexus Champion
My only complaint with my unit is it's power hungry so I can't run it too cold. I would love a new one but I wouldn't see much gain since I could then just set everything colder and barely net any monthly savings.
I don't have noise issues or anything like that currently, I'm waiting for mine to break or something new that is so dramatically better that it's not a 20 year break even.
I don't have noise issues or anything like that currently, I'm waiting for mine to break or something new that is so dramatically better that it's not a 20 year break even.
#4586
Lead Lap
I think I know what AJT is getting at and I don’t disagree, I have a Carrier Infinity unit and it has all the bells and whistles but with more bells and whistles, like cars, they tend to have more issues. My units is relatively new and needed a new compressor right out of warranty and also a new thermostat recently.
My wife’s cousin is an HVAC tech for Johnson Controls for years and he would never buy one of the fancy Carrier or Trane units, he would just get one of the basic ugly units that has the exact same components inside that the fancy units have without the pretty shell and save a fair amount of money especially because parts are more readily available when they break and are cheaper. He also said the same thing about getting the right sized unit for your house, you can’t just get the largest one like I wanted because it will cycle off and on too much.
I also forgot my neighbor who’s daughter is best friends with my daughter runs the Sila hvac business in DC/MD area and last I talked to him about this stuff he felt the same way.
My wife’s cousin is an HVAC tech for Johnson Controls for years and he would never buy one of the fancy Carrier or Trane units, he would just get one of the basic ugly units that has the exact same components inside that the fancy units have without the pretty shell and save a fair amount of money especially because parts are more readily available when they break and are cheaper. He also said the same thing about getting the right sized unit for your house, you can’t just get the largest one like I wanted because it will cycle off and on too much.
I also forgot my neighbor who’s daughter is best friends with my daughter runs the Sila hvac business in DC/MD area and last I talked to him about this stuff he felt the same way.
Last edited by patgilm; 06-13-24 at 08:51 PM.
#4587
Lexus Champion
I don't understand the aversion to efficiency and the celebration of spending money unnecessarily. Bringing it back to cars, you say you don't care what fuel costs all the time...well I would love to pay less for fuel. I'm not going to not buy cars I want because of fuel mileage, but I don't look at the huge tally at the gas pump and say "oh yeah!"
I'd love to pay less for everything. And I'm not spending any money unnecessarily, my cars and truck need gas.
Also, if you have a 4000sq foot house you should have an upstairs and downstairs unit. That surprises me you don't. Our house is 2200 and we have two.
Bit, not as pretty as yours but they’re fine lol.
Last edited by AJT123; 06-14-24 at 12:20 AM.
#4590
Lexus Fanatic
I think I know what AJT is getting at and I don’t disagree, I have a Carrier Infinity unit and it has all the bells and whistles but with more bells and whistles, like cars, they tend to have more issues. My units is relatively new and needed a new compressor right out of warranty and also a new thermostat recently.
My wife’s cousin is an HVAC tech for Johnson Controls for years and he would never buy one of the fancy Carrier or Trane units, he would just get one of the basic ugly units that has the exact same components inside that the fancy units have without the pretty shell and save a fair amount of money especially because parts are more readily available when they break and are cheaper. He also said the same thing about getting the right sized unit for your house, you can’t just get the largest one like I wanted because it will cycle off and on too much.
I also forgot my neighbor who’s daughter is best friends with my daughter runs the Sila hvac business in DC/MD area and last I talked to him about this stuff he felt the same way.
My wife’s cousin is an HVAC tech for Johnson Controls for years and he would never buy one of the fancy Carrier or Trane units, he would just get one of the basic ugly units that has the exact same components inside that the fancy units have without the pretty shell and save a fair amount of money especially because parts are more readily available when they break and are cheaper. He also said the same thing about getting the right sized unit for your house, you can’t just get the largest one like I wanted because it will cycle off and on too much.
I also forgot my neighbor who’s daughter is best friends with my daughter runs the Sila hvac business in DC/MD area and last I talked to him about this stuff he felt the same way.
But no you need the right size for your house, its not a "bigger is better" thing.
Because all this efficiency crap doesn't work. My dishwasher dries terribly, and doesn't wash that great either bc of the low water usage. It wasn't cheap. Remember when we were younger and plates would burn your fingers off out of the dishwasher?? Our washer and dryer are just crap... You have to hit every button like you're in a spaceship just to get the extra rinse and presoak and deep clean, etc. etc. and it still does a crappy job.
I'd love to pay less for everything. And I'm not spending any money unnecessarily, my cars and truck need gas.
I'd love to pay less for everything. And I'm not spending any money unnecessarily, my cars and truck need gas.
Also, if you have a 4000sq foot house you should have an upstairs and downstairs unit. That surprises me you don't. Our house is 2200 and we have two.
Last edited by SW17LS; 06-14-24 at 06:06 AM.