General Car Conversation 2024 - part 1
#5041
Lexus Test Driver
If you drove the 3.3t V6 from Hyundai or the 3 liter B58 I6 from BMW, you'd have a hard time driving something with a 2GR. Just too boring and anemic. We have nice mountain roads around here that are fun to go carve up in a hot RWD car. An IS350 running out of breath at 5,000 RPM the whole way is not my idea of a good time.
#5042
drives cars
More to life than just resale value and reliability. For me, an IS350 is just too boring to drive. I don't want to be running around in an NA V6 when I could drive a turbocharged V6 or I6 from Genesis or BMW.
If you drove the 3.3t V6 from Hyundai or the 3 liter B58 I6 from BMW, you'd have a hard time driving something with a 2GR. Just too boring and anemic. We have nice mountain roads around here that are fun to go carve up in a hot RWD car. An IS350 running out of breath at 5,000 RPM the whole way is not my idea of a good time.
If you drove the 3.3t V6 from Hyundai or the 3 liter B58 I6 from BMW, you'd have a hard time driving something with a 2GR. Just too boring and anemic. We have nice mountain roads around here that are fun to go carve up in a hot RWD car. An IS350 running out of breath at 5,000 RPM the whole way is not my idea of a good time.
The 3.3T is a completely different story. It's a great engine, and for similar money as an IS 350, it's almost a no-brainer. But, still, an I6 from BMW in a sedan like this is going to either be A) used or B) more expensive than an IS 350.
I don't disagree with the notion of the newer engines being more powerful and responsive, but also, you have to admit that a naturally-aspirated engine has some advantages.
#5043
Lexus Fanatic
More to life than just resale value and reliability. For me, an IS350 is just too boring to drive. I don't want to be running around in an NA V6 when I could drive a turbocharged V6 or I6 from Genesis or BMW.
If you drove the 3.3t V6 from Hyundai or the 3 liter B58 I6 from BMW, you'd have a hard time driving something with a 2GR. Just too boring and anemic. We have nice mountain roads around here that are fun to go carve up in a hot RWD car. An IS350 running out of breath at 5,000 RPM the whole way is not my idea of a good time.
If you drove the 3.3t V6 from Hyundai or the 3 liter B58 I6 from BMW, you'd have a hard time driving something with a 2GR. Just too boring and anemic. We have nice mountain roads around here that are fun to go carve up in a hot RWD car. An IS350 running out of breath at 5,000 RPM the whole way is not my idea of a good time.
#5044
Lexus Fanatic
Oh yeah, it rides at least a little better than my car on the non run-flats. The 19s on this have thicker sidewalls. The one I drove the other day on 19s even aired at 42 PSI rode great
Last edited by SW17LS; 06-26-24 at 02:31 PM.
#5045
Lexus Champion
The 2GR is perfectly fine, until you try any other contemporary V6/I6 at least. Viewed in a vacuum it's a smooth engine and the best of it's era but that era was back in 2007
#5046
Lead Lap
Yikes, man. You make it sound like the IS 350 is a dog to drive, when that is definitely not the case. I drove mine up in the mountains quite often and enjoyed it - even managed to keep up with IS Fs on occassion. And, for what it's worth, I'd rather have the 2GR than the four-cylinder in the base G70, even if it has a lot less torque. It just drives a lot smoother and more naturally, which, to me, is just as important as power.
The 3.3T is a completely different story. It's a great engine, and for similar money as an IS 350, it's almost a no-brainer. But, still, an I6 from BMW in a sedan like this is going to either be A) used or B) more expensive than an IS 350.
I don't disagree with the notion of the newer engines being more powerful and responsive, but also, you have to admit that a naturally-aspirated engine has some advantages.
The 3.3T is a completely different story. It's a great engine, and for similar money as an IS 350, it's almost a no-brainer. But, still, an I6 from BMW in a sedan like this is going to either be A) used or B) more expensive than an IS 350.
I don't disagree with the notion of the newer engines being more powerful and responsive, but also, you have to admit that a naturally-aspirated engine has some advantages.
#5047
Lexus Champion
The Toyota 2GR is potent but not really refined.
#5048
Lead Lap
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Thanks! Only thing is the wheels, I would have preferred the multi-spoke 20s but these will ride better.
These are what this one has:
These are the 20s
Actually this one I probably wont. the new MO MB tires (thats their runflat spec) ride so much better, and the car rides incredibly well on them. This C I have with super low profile run flats also rides great.
Plus that size there really aren't many good tire options...so the OEM ones are probably as good as it will get.
According to the dealer I should have it by the weekend.
Thanks! Only thing is the wheels, I would have preferred the multi-spoke 20s but these will ride better.
These are what this one has:
These are the 20s
Actually this one I probably wont. the new MO MB tires (thats their runflat spec) ride so much better, and the car rides incredibly well on them. This C I have with super low profile run flats also rides great.
Plus that size there really aren't many good tire options...so the OEM ones are probably as good as it will get.
According to the dealer I should have it by the weekend.
#5049
Lead Lap
It used to bother me. Now, I just accept it. I don’t extend the finger anymore. If I choose to express my displeasure, there is a German gesture which is just waving your hand in front of your face with no digit extended. It doesn’t change anything but I am probably less likely to get shot if I do that.
Tailgating does bother me, but it’s also just something I expect. I will get rear ended at some point. It’s just a matter of time. It’s usually SUVers who tailgate. At some point, the combination of a heavy vehicle with a lousy driver has a bad end result.
Last edited by link13; 06-26-24 at 05:50 PM.
#5050
Lexus Fanatic
Here in SoCal, it always happens. I disagree with a subsequent comment here that it cannot be helped. It seems to happen because most people don’t plan ahead and are even surprised when their exit or turn comes up on a route they probably know very well. Paying attention and planning ahead would alleviate it significantly in my opinion, but I doubt that it’s practical to do that. I get cut off all the time and probably it’s because I don’t tailgate. If there’s tons of room behind me, I still get cut off anyway. People are generally not courteous.
It used to bother me. Now, I just accept it. I don’t extend the finger anymore. If I choose to express my displeasure, there is a German gesture which is just waving your hand in front of your face with no digit extended. It doesn’t change anything but I am probably less likely to get shot if I do that.
Tailgating does bother me, but it’s also just something I expect. I will get rear ended at some point. It’s just a matter of time. It’s usually SUVers who tailgate. At some point, the combination of a heavy vehicle with a lousy driver has a bad end result.
It used to bother me. Now, I just accept it. I don’t extend the finger anymore. If I choose to express my displeasure, there is a German gesture which is just waving your hand in front of your face with no digit extended. It doesn’t change anything but I am probably less likely to get shot if I do that.
Tailgating does bother me, but it’s also just something I expect. I will get rear ended at some point. It’s just a matter of time. It’s usually SUVers who tailgate. At some point, the combination of a heavy vehicle with a lousy driver has a bad end result.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 06-26-24 at 06:58 PM.
#5051
Lexus Champion
Then you can also forget about the police pulling you over. I also don't speed excessively (enough to get a legit ticket).