General Car Conversation 2024 - part 1
#661
Lexus Fanatic
Lie or real?
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 01-23-24 at 10:44 AM.
#662
Lexus Champion
haha, gotta admit that was a fun movie!
amg wasn't even part of mercedes for the first 10 years!
you wrote: "It's a 4 cyl joke of a car" about the entry amg cars as if 4 cyl automatically makes it a joke. my point was a well regarded auto reviewer bought a golf r after considering loads of cars and reviewing countless others.
huge issue for you and those stuck in the past. and as more and more serious performers become electric, even less and less relevant.
damning with faint praise i see while assigning to an aspirational car only for poor people. nice job.
you're all about 'class'.
amg wasn't even part of mercedes for the first 10 years!
you wrote: "It's a 4 cyl joke of a car" about the entry amg cars as if 4 cyl automatically makes it a joke. my point was a well regarded auto reviewer bought a golf r after considering loads of cars and reviewing countless others.
huge issue for you and those stuck in the past. and as more and more serious performers become electric, even less and less relevant.
damning with faint praise i see while assigning to an aspirational car only for poor people. nice job.
you're all about 'class'.
AMG was never that.
Electric cars are pitifully slow vs ICE cars on any competitive level and are totally dead on arrival in any street race event. They simply have no chance against cars with 200-1000 more hp and half the weight, they are fine for what they are but have no headroom and will never be the same level.
An M340i has more potential than any EV, any of the German 4.0 cars are faster without even doing an internals build as well. My 4.0 A8 on E40 does a 9.6 1/4 mile for under $40k total invested lol!
Yes I am indeed all about judging cars based on their class, that's the whole point of comparing stuff. I'm not going to judge a small 2 door on its ability to tow etc....the small hot car class includes the RS3 and it's the king of the class. I don't compare based on price unless we are actually factoring that in so I couldn't care less about a golf when I could buy so many other superior options for that size of vehicle.
#663
Lexus Champion
BMW is just guilty for misleading the public. If not worse. Yeah there were M1 cars at the beginning, but BMW did brand M cars such as the M535i or M635Ci back in the 1970/80s…BMW has now gone back to the marketing, but it’s just a lie that they are real M cars
‘How can that possibly be on the road?
‘How can that possibly be on the road?
#664
The car he has is 40i without M package. You must be thinking about about 40i M Sports. Even though they are very similar, M Sports comes with M suspension and bigger brake. So technically it's a bit different. The car he wanted to have is X5 M50i. It's a different engine. This M50i is significantly different from 40i (4.3s vs. 5.2s). And there's also X5M version. Both 50i and X5M are way different from 40i. So they do mean something.
#665
Lexus Fanatic
The car he has is 40i without M package. You must be thinking about about 40i M Sports. Even though they are very similar, M Sports comes with M suspension and bigger brake. So technically it's a bit different. The car he wanted to have is X5 M50i. It's a different engine. This M50i is significantly different from 40i (4.3s vs. 5.2s). And there's also X5M version. Both 50i and X5M are way different from 40i. So they do mean something.
#668
I used to own a diluted M car (M240i) and it was a nice balance of performance and luxury. I test drove an M2 before that and found it was way too harsh for the city roads I'd be driving on. The DCT was quick when WOT but I found it annoying for DD.
#669
Lexus Fanatic
this is a real M car.
this is a real M car
Real or fake?
real or fake?
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 01-23-24 at 01:15 PM.
#671
Lexus Fanatic
most people would have no clue that BMW is lying to them.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 01-23-24 at 01:29 PM.
#673
Lexus Test Driver
i'm saying BMW has been more consistent in its designation for what is and what isn't a full M car
however in the case of the C-class for instance, there's been a 32, 36, 43, 55, and 63, and up until 2017 every single one of those was a "real" AMG with a unique engine that couldn't be found in any non-AMG model
the 1999 C43 has an actual AMG engine, but the 2019 C43 doesn't... yet they're both identically named C43 and equally presented as "an AMG"
however in the case of the C-class for instance, there's been a 32, 36, 43, 55, and 63, and up until 2017 every single one of those was a "real" AMG with a unique engine that couldn't be found in any non-AMG model
the 1999 C43 has an actual AMG engine, but the 2019 C43 doesn't... yet they're both identically named C43 and equally presented as "an AMG"