Toys4RJill

‘Just look at the cost of the Tundra turbos. (Not US $$). Cheap labour to replace these turbos out of warranty is not make a diff And ease of repair is not the same thing as reliability.

I simply dislike the idea of a turbo for the simple reason of the potential repair cost. The ease of that repair is irrelevant to me, it’s the parts.





In 2024 MY cars…Who has a new car with a belt? VW…who else?

a belt doesn’t bother me, an interference engine is always in the back of my mind for my 2UZ. But chains do break and malfunction too. But I would prefer a chain over a belt every time
Toyota has a hot V as well. In their new 300 Land Cruiser 3.3 V6 Diesel. In Lexus LX too

i c. I was looking at 2024 models. Had no idea the 2025s were out

FrankReynoldsCPA

the 25's aren't out on the market yet, but they are announced. Unless Ford or GM join them, they'll be the only players with an I6 gas engine in the US half-ton market at that time. Ford cancelled their I6 and will probably just focus on their V6 Ecoboosts while eventually downsizing those and moving to electrification. I don't think GM has indicated any plans for downsizing in the half-tons.

AJT123

GM is gonna wisely keep making V8s as we know, new small block in the works.

I have faith that they're not going to sandwich any hybrid crap into the next gen V8 on the way, I haven't seen anything to indicate otherwise.

My buddy is a Ram freak, has this insane brand new Ram, he got one with the Hemi bc he wanted the V8, but it's got that horrendous e-torque crap that doesn't work. He hates it so much he might trade it on a GM. I tried to tell him beforehand. The last good Ram was ICE only.

SW17LS

They really do. That’s a big difference between Lexus and the Germans, the German cars are actually easier to work on. Parts cost more, but when you get into more complex new Toyotas where that reliability delta isn’t going to be so great it’s something to think of.

For instance if you asked me if I wanted to put 250,000 miles on the M176 engine in my S560 or the Toyota 3.4TT? I would actually choose the Mercedes for long term ownership cost.

Good example of this is air suspension. My W222 vs an LS460, air suspension is considerably cheaper to deal with on the Mercedes because they are engineered to be repaired and rebuilt where the units on the Lexus are just disposable.

AJT123

The LS500 has had that V6 engine the longest, and I'm personally not aware of the reliability or lack thereof because the car sucks so bad I don't care about it, even as an LS owner. Sad.

Reliability in that car might be a good indicator if this engine is junk or not.

FrankReynoldsCPA

Heh, the air suspension on my LS400 had been removed and replaced with traditional struts when it came into my possession. A tale as old as time.

Toyota built a reputation for reliability in the 90's and 2000's and they're starting to coast and people are going to realize more and more that their stuff is not fun at all to work on and it'll need more working on. All of my friends with 3rd gen Tacomas have spent a lot more time in the shop than my F-150(which has only gone in for one non-maintenance repair).

FrankReynoldsCPA

My bet is it won't be junk, but it's certainly going to be less reliable than the engines it has replaced. Not because it's smaller and using forced induction, but because it's a level of complexity that Toyota isn't as experienced with combined with what seems to be a loosened approach to quality control.

Toys4RJill

not the experience I have had. And not the word of mouth I hear. American cars are just awful when it comes to reliability. That is the word of mouth I get. Hyundai is even worse. And my brother is getting to learn what out of warranty BMW ownership is like as his 3 series diesel is a nightmare with the small things breaking (not the engine). I have had American cars in my younger days, I will never make that mistake ever again

Give me an example where it’s a level complexity that Toyota can’t match?

AJT123

We got the most snow in 30 years here about a month ago, I just absolutely annihilated everything with the LX.

I drove through so much crap and pounded it so hard I got crap up in the belt---an idler was squeaking mildly one morning. I figured it would just go away on its own after some driving, and driving through rain and it has lol.

Now let's say this were the new tt one with 6 figure mileage making a noise? Whew, I'd be nervous. Nothing the 5.7, short of me hearing a rod knocking, would raise my eyebrow.

If Ford is smart they'll never discontinue the Coyote.

SW17LS

This is a description from a mechanic online describing their turbo intercooler setup on that engine:

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Toys4RJill

Apparently that engine is one of the most advanced engines ever made. Anyways, it’s not something I’d worry about. Yeah, the idea of a turbo or both failing sucks, but I’d expect this engine to far outlast a German or American engine. And be far more reliable too

FrankReynoldsCPA

My bet with Ford is that the F-150 will have the Coyote for as long as the Mustang makes sense to sell.

I believe less than 25% of F-150's sold are V8's. They make the engine for the mustang and probably gain a little bit of economies of sale by producing enough of them to sell some F-150's to guys who won't buy a V6. But if the Mustang were to be discontinued or go electric, I think the Coyote would be discontinued entirely.

I love my Coyote. I'll keep this truck until it dies, hopefully.

SW17LS

I completely disagree. I would rather have something well engineered and that setup is just not well engineered. This is one area where the Germans have Toyota bested, they just have a ton of experience designing these kinds of engines and it shows in their execution.

It may not be an issue, but if it is that’s a 5 figure repair. Turbos after 100k miles are not at all an unusual replacement…and the turbo in my car will cost less than half what it will cost in that car.

One of the most advanced engines ever made? Says who?

AJT123

It's been forever since I've been to Lexus, the SA I know would tell me.

Toys4RJill

How is it not as well engineered?