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Old 01-15-24, 01:15 PM
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The Maverick sells because there is a definite market for it. Back in the day we had a Mazda B2000(Rebadged Ford) which provided us with all the 'pickup' we needed. Nowadays, unless you have a business that actually needs this type of vehicle, a full-sized, and possibly even the new 'mid-sized' pickups are just too large. Ours was good enough for running around town, carrying dogs, and doing the home repair/home depot runs as needed. These small pickups work great for most homeowners who do the typical home projects, and providing a smaller footprint for every day around-town driving.
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Originally Posted by BrettJacks
In this case you can tell because the Rampage shares a platform with the Jeep Compass which is a compact crossover, similar to how the Maverick shares a platform with the Escape and the Santa Cruz shares a platform with the Tucson.

The Ridgeline is a mid-size BOF truck that shares a platform with Honda's midsize crossovers.

I have no doubt that if RAM were to start selling a mid-size RAM branded pickup in the US, it would be adapted from the Jeep Gladiator's platform(likely with an independent front suspension rather than the Jeep's solid front axle).
Agreed, except the Ridgeline is unibody like Honda's other crossovers.
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Originally Posted by TangoRed
Agreed, except the Ridgeline is unibody like Honda's other crossovers.

Whoops, that was a typo on my part. I typed mid-size and my brain basically autocompleted it with BOF.

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Old 01-15-24, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by TangoRed
Agreed, except the Ridgeline is unibody like Honda's other crossovers.
Originally Posted by BrettJacks
Whoops, that was a typo on my part. I typed mid-size and my brain basically autocompleted it with BOF.
​​​​​​​The Ridgeline is actually quite unusual in that regard. It uses a crossover-type unibody on top of an underlying structure that is (more or less) like a BOF, with built-in cross-supports. Not the cheapest structure to make, but generally effective.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
The Ridgeline is actually quite unusual in that regard. It uses a crossover-type unibody on top of an underlying structure that is (more or less) like a BOF, with built-in cross-supports. Not the cheapest structure to make, but generally effective.
My old Jeep did it first, they are the ones who did the heavy rail unibody to speed up and cheap production costs vs BOF
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I'm actually impressed that this monster is called "midsize".
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Originally Posted by Benoit
I'm actually impressed that this monster is called "midsize".
It's not, it's in the compact pickup segment, as it's about the same size as the Ford Maverick. It's 2" shorter overall and has 4" less wheelbase than the Maverick, but is about 1.5" taller and wider.

So noticeably smaller than a midsize pickup like the Ranger, and will be hilariously tiny parked next to the Ram 1500. Here's Ford's family for comparison:

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I still want a maverick but they are far to expensive for what you get.
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Originally Posted by Striker223
I still want a maverick but they are far to expensive for what you get.
It's rather difficult to make that argument when Mavericks start at only 23K....and when they first came out, they started at 19-20K.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
It's rather difficult to make that argument when Mavericks start at only 23K....and when they first came out, they started at 19-20K.
23k if someone somehow gets one at correct spec and MSRP......

Even then I can buy a diesel 2500 for $17k and have an insanely higher capability so it a a very hard sell for me as a tool. Would be amazing 90% of the time but that last 10% where I need to tow disqualifies it as worth it.

I would totally pick one up used for 5k though and daily it so my total cost of ownership makes sense
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Originally Posted by Striker223
23k if someone somehow gets one at correct spec and MSRP......

Even then I can buy a diesel 2500 for $17k and have an insanely higher capability so it a a very hard sell for me as a tool. Would be amazing 90% of the time but that last 10% where I need to tow disqualifies it as worth it.

I would totally pick one up used for 5k though and daily it so my total cost of ownership makes sense
We're not the target of this car.

The target is somebody who doesn't haul heavy or large items, doesn't need/care about BOF, but does have just enough weekend projects or hobbies that it makes sense to have a small bed, and they don't want to own 2 vehicles.

These things are selling well for a reason. IMO it single-handedly killed the Ford Ranger.
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Originally Posted by geko29
It's not, it's in the compact pickup segment, as it's about the same size as the Ford Maverick. It's 2" shorter overall and has 4" less wheelbase than the Maverick, but is about 1.5" taller and wider.

So noticeably smaller than a midsize pickup like the Ranger, and will be hilariously tiny parked next to the Ram 1500. Here's Ford's family for comparison:

great pic. cannot believe how massive the f150 looks
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Originally Posted by BrettJacks
We're not the target of this car.

The target is somebody who doesn't haul heavy or large items, doesn't need/care about BOF, but does have just enough weekend projects or hobbies that it makes sense to have a small bed, and they don't want to own 2 vehicles.

These things are selling well for a reason. IMO it single-handedly killed the Ford Ranger.
Oh yeah, I forgot about the ranger to be honest lol! True, for people who never need to really move anything large/heavy but still do many projects this is very good vs a CUV
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My cousin who has a Rogue is considering a Maverick. That’s the target customer.
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
My cousin who has a Rogue is considering a Maverick. That’s the target customer.
Similarly, I have a friend that moved from an Escape to a Maverick just recently.
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